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^Is it still their plan to tear down the parking garage for a short term lot?  Has no one called them out yet on how ludicrous that plan is?

They do plan to remove a garage, but I think it is the Long Term, not Short Term garage  Also, they state that the LT garage is past it's useful life and has been rehabbed once already (not sure how old some garages are downtown, but 43 years doesn't seem that old). 

 

However, they are also planning to add 2 floors to the short term garage and expand it in the future.  The expansion is questionable to happen as it is in the last years of the master plan. 

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I'm definitely uneasy about the parking garage plans.  We take the rapid to the airport about 50% of the time, but if we have a very early departure or a very late arrival, we usually just drive and park in the long term garage.  It's so nice having it attached to the airport, whereas in other places (like my good ol' home town of St. Louie), you have no choice but to park off-site and take a shuttle.

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^Agree...does this mean no more on site long term parking?  Everytime I park in LTP it seems full.  Where are these cars going to go.  All off site?  Pain.

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^Agree...does this mean no more on site long term parking?  Everytime I park in LTP it seems full.  Where are these cars going to go.  All off site?  Pain.

 

The idea is to expand the Short-term garage so that it is able to meet demand of what are currently two separate garages.  The presentation doesn't get into the cost for parking, but I would imagine it will be more expensive than the long term garage is currently.

 

Here is the link to the presentation: Master Plan Presentation.  It is pretty informative even if it is just a slideshow.

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Has anyone else noticed the crane for, I believe, the new tower? Unfortunately, I have to make a trip to Brunswick twice a week for gymnastics, but it does give an opportunity to see the airport changes. Also, it seems the Ford plants have nearly all come down and I read that Nasa is auctioning off a couple of their buildings. Maybe good, maybe bad...we shall see.

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Most of my family met up in NJ a few weekends ago for my daughters Christening at my wife's parents' church.  My wife left the house with my daughter heading to CLE at about 9:30am on Friday to fly to Newark.  I left with my son at about 10:45am and started the 8 hour drive to NJ.  We arrived at her my in-laws' house  (in Hazlet.... Monmouth County) within 10 minutes of eachother.  Her flight had been delayed for hours and my dad's flight from CLT was also delayed for hours.  There was no issue at CLE or CLT.  The reason for both delays was that Newark was too congested for any more landings.  This just made me think how ridiculous and irresponsible it would be for United to close down our hub and re-route ADDITIONAL traffic to Newark and O'Hare. 

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As an air line industry outsider LOL, It makes me wonder if the talk of De-hubbing Hopkins is all talk or is it really just more profitable to shove as many flights as possible into an already over capacity airport?

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The September edition of Hemispheres (United's in-flight magazine) has a feature on a CLE employee. I can't find the article online yet, however; they still have August up on their website. Nice to see some CLE recognition all the same.

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The September edition of Hemispheres (United's in-flight magazine) has a feature on a CLE employee. I can't find the article online yet, however; they still have August up on their website. Nice to see some CLE recognition all the same.

 

Here's the article about CLE's Jackie Jones from Hemispheres: http://www.hemispheresmagazine.com/2012/09/01/the-granny-effect/

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This is great news for me as I have family in Denver but sounds like good news for CLE as well:

 

http://media.flyfrontier.com/article_display.cfm?article_id=5391

 

That's a strange schedule! I sure hope Frontier has a bunch of flights departing DEN after 8 p.m. to connect with.


"Most of us have been conditioned to regard military combat as exciting and glamorous -- an opportunity for men to prove their competence and courage. Since armies are legal, we feel that war is acceptable; in general, nobody feels that that war is criminal or that accepting it is a criminal attitude. In fact, we have been brainwashed. War is neither glamorous nor attractive. It is monstrous. Its very nature is one of tragedy and suffering" --Dalai Lama

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^^^ Yes, it does allow for connection to the last bank of west coast bound departures for the evening which leave between 8 and 9:30 Denver time. Just checked Flightstats and it looks like theres 10-15 options, mostly CA cities but also LAS, SEA, PDX, PHX, SLC, GEG, COS, OKC, and so on

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This is great news for me as I have family in Denver but sounds like good news for CLE as well:

 

http://media.flyfrontier.com/article_display.cfm?article_id=5391

 

That's a strange schedule! I sure hope Frontier has a bunch of flights departing DEN after 8 p.m. to connect with.

 

That is very interesting.  I had heard a rumor that Frontier was pulling out of CAK, but didn't really think it was true.  This is basically eliminating the early, early 6:15 am flight they had out of CAK. 

 

Ski clubs in the area use them a lot to for flights for week long trips in the winter.  Mostly because they are cheaper than United or American, etc.  Hopefully they can put some downward pressure on United's CLE-DEN flights.  Although that 7:20pm arrival time makes trekking out to most ski resorts a late arrival, say 10:00 or 11:00 at night.

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^ I guess this relocation to CLE is not that shocking. considering the fact that the 799 pound gorilla of low cost carriers just initiated service from AKC to DEN.  Perhaps, Frontier felt that the town (Akron) wasn't big enough for both of them.  In Cleveland there is CLE - DEN service on legacy carrier United, which the Frontier LCC service can complement, particularly if it is aimed largely at leisure travelers, which the four flights per week schedule would seem to favor.

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I'd say the Oklahoma City flight is a direct result of shale gas - there's got to be lots of energy execs flying in and out.

 

 

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Apparently there is an approaching 10/1 deadline of some kind that involves United making a decision on staying in Cleveland?  There is no cause for concern I don't believe, but does anyone know more about this?  I guess based on the details of the merger they were only required to remain in Cleveland for x amount of time?  It sounds like one less hurdle for them to clear before they can consolidate around their Chicago base of operations. I hope that the city does all it can to avoid this from happening.  Having a HUB means so much, especially to the business world.

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Apparently there is an approaching 10/1 deadline of some kind that involves United making a decision on staying in Cleveland?  There is no cause for concern I don't believe, but does anyone know more about this?  I guess based on the details of the merger they were only required to remain in Cleveland for x amount of time?  It sounds like one less hurdle for them to clear before they can consolidate around their Chicago base of operations. I hope that the city does all it can to avoid this from happening.  Having a HUB means so much, especially to the business world.

 

It's an extremely good sign that United is restarting Nashville and Oklahoma City despite dropping Green Bay. They've also expanded operations to other regional destinations for next spring. DL is not doing this for their "at risk" hubs in Cincy or Memphis. How long does this expansion last? Who knows but it is a definite positive for the short term.

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^Not sure. If you're referring to the agreement between UA and State to keep flight levels here a certain level, that doesn't really matter as it was a meaningless agreement anyway and has no bearing on hub status. On the upside, per the latest OAG upload, we're seeing some frequency increases on certain routes, compared to what was in the schedules last week. This is on top of new service announced to OKC and BNA.

 

Below are frequency changes comparing this week's OAG to last. These are flights per day.

 

--UA CLE-ALB FEB 1.9>3 MAR 2>4 APR 2>4 MAY 2>4


--UA CLE-BOS MAR 4>5 APR 4>5 MAY 4>5


--UA CLE-BUF MAR 3>4 APR 3>4 MAY 3>4


--UA CLE-CMH MAR 3>4 APR 3>4 MAY 3>4

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UA CLE-DAY JAN 3>1.8


--UA CLE-FNT JAN 3>4


--UA CLE-GRB DEC 1.5>0.9 JAN 1.1>0 FEB 1.5>0 MAR 1.8>0 APR 1.9>0 MAY 1.9>0

--UA CLE-IND FEB 4>5 MAR 3>5 APR 3>5 MAY 3>5


--UA CLE-PVD FEB 3>1.6


--UA CLE-YYZ NOV 4>3

--UA DEN-CLE MAR 3>4 APR 3>4 MAY 3>4  (this one is likely in response to the F9’s CLE-DEN announcement)

 

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I'm watching channel 5 and they keep running commercials for a story on "the future of Hopkins" and how information they have will "change the way we fly in NEO". It's supposedly on Monday at 11pm. They also have some guy saying "they're delaying the inevitable"... I sure hope this isn't what we all fear. I don't know if anyone has any information on what this potentially is? Or maybe it's just the typical negative nancy news.

 

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I'm watching channel 5 and they keep running commercials for a story on "the future of Hopkins" and how information they have will "change the way we fly in NEO". It's supposedly on Monday at 11pm. They also have some guy saying "they're delaying the inevitable"... I sure hope this isn't what we all fear. I don't know if anyone has any information on what this potentially is? Or maybe it's just the typical negative nancy news.

 

 

I haven't heard anything at all. (This is a subject I keep half an eye on). Flyertalk has nothing in its CLE thread either and it tends to be the early warning for Hopkins related news -

 

This thread is a good discussion:

http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/united-mileageplus-consolidated/1080953-doesnt-sound-good-cle-63.html

 

Just a couple of weeks ago the sentiment was this: 

I doubt UA is going to do anything dramatic with CLE at this point, either way.

 

they're generally holding capacity constant systemwide or reducing a bit. The local economy is relatively strong these days, both historically and relative to the country as a whole.

 

Its in UA's interest to have a hub as long as its profitable on a marginal basis. Despite the constant flak that CLE gets, the fact of the matter is that if you look at the metrics that determine whether a hub is profitable or not, CLE has one of the highest percentages of O/D traffic in the system (far higher than IAH), the yield out of CLE is also higher, however that's due in large part to the high % of shorthaul RJ flights. What CLE doesn't seem to support are intercontinental flights, which require by definition, a large gauge aircraft and steady front-cabin demand, its much easier and lower risk for them to schelp passengers to EWR/ORD, where they have a wide selection of EU destinations rather than picking LHR or FRA and trying to fill it on a mostly-O/D basis.

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The airlines have cut 3,000 daily flights since 2007 -- 40 percent of which were on routes shorter than 500 miles. That has hit most small and medium airports in the Midwest-Northeast. Sounds like Cleveland is en route to "rise" to the top of other medium-sized Midwest hubs that have lost flights....

 

Cincinnati  -63.1%

Pittsburgh -40.1%

Memphis  -35.5%

Cleveland -26.3%

St. Louis  -25.0%

 

SOURCE: http://www.oig.dot.gov/sites/dot/files/Aviation%20Industry%20Performance%5E9-24-12.pdf

 

Many smaller airports have experienced worse losses. I don't have flight reduction data, but I do have enplanements data going back to 2000. This is the change in enplanements, per FAA 2000-2011:

 

Indianapolis, IN: -4 percent

Syracuse, NY: -7 percent

Albany, NY: -7 percent

Columbus, OH: -9 percent

Detroit Metro, MI: -9 percent

Allentown-Lehigh Valley, PA: -13 percent

Binghamton-Link, NY: -16 percent

Fort Wayne, IN: -22 percent

Newburgh-Stewart, NY: -23 percent

Rochester, NY: -26 percent

Erie, PA: -28 percent

South Bend, IN: -29 percent

Cleveland, OH: -31 percent

Williamsport, PA: -41 percent

Kalamazoo/Battle Creek -43 percent

Lancaster, PA: -52 percent

Pittsburgh, PA: -59 percent

Du Bois-Jefferson County, PA: -61 percent

Johnstown-Cambria County, PA: -63 percent

Parkersburg-Wood County, WV: -66 percent

Cincinnati, OH: -70 percent

Toledo, OH: -71 percent

Altoona-Blair County, PA: -74 percent

Bradford, PA: -78 percent

Jamestown-Chautauqua County, NY: -81 percent

Detroit City, MI: -100 percent

Gary-Chicago, IN: -100 percent*

Port Clinton-Keller, OH: -100 percent

Put-In-Bay, OH: -100 percent

Reading, PA: -100 percent

 

* Allegiant Air began serving Gary-Chicago in 2012 with 7,567 enplanements as of Aug. 2012, according to USDOT BTS.


"Most of us have been conditioned to regard military combat as exciting and glamorous -- an opportunity for men to prove their competence and courage. Since armies are legal, we feel that war is acceptable; in general, nobody feels that that war is criminal or that accepting it is a criminal attitude. In fact, we have been brainwashed. War is neither glamorous nor attractive. It is monstrous. Its very nature is one of tragedy and suffering" --Dalai Lama

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Looks like this is the "news" story. 

Not much new...but sobering to say the least.

On a side note, I find it hard to believe that Pittsburgh could not retain a hub with all of their strong Fortune 500 companies AND the fact that there is no competition, unlike Akron/Canton is for CLE.

 

http://www.newsnet5.com/dpp/money/consumer/consumer_specialist/cincinnatis-airport-saw-a-drastic-reduction-in-flights-after-delta-merged-with-northwest

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CAK does draw from PIT, but not as much CAK draws from CLE -- and not just because CLE is closer to CAK. CLE's average fares are also higher than PIT's.

 

The ability of a city to get or keep its hub doesn't seem to matter as much on the local travel market anymore. Fact is there are fewer hubs, and there may be even fewer hubs in the future depending on everything from fuel prices to average household incomes.


"Most of us have been conditioned to regard military combat as exciting and glamorous -- an opportunity for men to prove their competence and courage. Since armies are legal, we feel that war is acceptable; in general, nobody feels that that war is criminal or that accepting it is a criminal attitude. In fact, we have been brainwashed. War is neither glamorous nor attractive. It is monstrous. Its very nature is one of tragedy and suffering" --Dalai Lama

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Looks like this is the "news" story. 

Not much new...but sobering to say the least.

On a side note, I find it hard to believe that Pittsburgh could not retain a hub with all of their strong Fortune 500 companies AND the fact that there is no competition, unlike Akron/Canton is for CLE.

 

http://www.newsnet5.com/dpp/money/consumer/consumer_specialist/cincinnatis-airport-saw-a-drastic-reduction-in-flights-after-delta-merged-with-northwest

Pitts does have competition, in Philly, USAirs biggest international HUB.  Also, just because they have a perceived strong Fortune 500, that doesn't translate into O&D passengers!  I cannot find it but like Memphis, Detroit and Minnie, the majority of their passengers were connections.  Atlanta is an anomaly in all this as they have more connections than O&D and that is due to Delta specifically cramming all connections thru ATL, to attempt to make is HQ Hub a superhub.

 

 

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