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Not really part of the expansion, but hell it may be the most important upgrade Hopkins has seen in while:

 

Top gripe at Hopkins: Restrooms are the pits

 

Wednesday, November 08, 2006

Susan Vinella

Plain Dealer Reporter

Cleveland is spending more than $2 million to flush away the top complaint of the 10.5 million people who pass through Cleveland Hopkins International Airport each year: the dingy, dirty restrooms.

 

That's good news for Barbara Radigan of Wickliffe, a member of The Plain Dealer's Reader Advisory Network.

 

"The restrooms are very depressing places," she said in an e-mail. "They are dingy, dirty and damp-smelling. There is no place in the stall to put your purse, bag or coat. The floors are not an option!"

 

Hopkins spokeswoman Pat Smith said the most common complaint from passengers is about the bathrooms. She said about 29,000 passengers a day pass through the airport, and she estimates 60 percent use the restrooms.

 

To reduce complaints, the airport has begun remodeling every bathroom except those in Concourse D, which opened eight years ago.

 

Airport engineer Mike Ebos, who oversees the renovations, said the restrooms have been redesigned for easier upkeep and convenience.

 

To reach this Plain Dealer reporter:

 

[email protected], 216-999-5010

 

 

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Local business trips are often to Europe

 

Wednesday, November 08, 2006

Susan Vinella

Plain Dealer Reporter

Northeast Ohio business travelers head to Europe more than anywhere else overseas.

 

The most popular cities: London, Paris and Frankfurt, according to a survey of international travel conducted by the Greater Cleveland Partnership this year.

 

Continental Airlines offers direct flights to London from Cleveland Hopkins International Airport and announced in September that it plans to offer nonstop flights to Paris beginning in 2008.

 

The partnership asked 82 business executives in Cleveland and Akron where they traveled most and how often. Here are some of the results:

 

34 percent had been to London in 2005.

 

21 percent Paris.

 

18 percent Frankfurt.

 

13 percent Hong Kong.

 

10 percent Amsterdam.

 

15 percent Shanghai.

 

10 percent Tokyo.

 

More than half of those responding said they expected to increase their travel. Most of that increase would be to Europe and Asia.

 

 

 

>>I told ya, MyTwoSense, Frankfurt would be the best option after Paris. :)

 

 

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>>I told ya, MyTwoSense, Frankfurt would be the best option after Paris. :)

 

Did we agree or did I sam AMS??  I knew Germany was a big draw or else Lufthansa wouldn't have been sniffing around.  I'm sure they will be back in some form.

 

I'm surprise Shanghai is more than Hong Kong.

 

I wonder what percentage of folks go to the Carribean/S. America from here?

 

With all the shit thats been happening at Newark over the last month (planes landing on taxiways, etc., major dealys) and the complaints continental has been getting about operations there, I sense that Cleveland will pick up flights/operations sooner rather than later from EWR. 

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there was not a single tv on last night when i returned at 11pm.  the restaurants were closed.  all i wanted was to see what happened with election results.  hopkins (and continental specifically) need to get some plasmas up with a cnn feed. 

 

one other interesting observation: a punching bag on the counter of the continental service desk on C concourse.  quite amusing. 

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^^ I think ya said AMS. It may be too soon to speak about it MyTwoSense, but I have feeling you are right about CAL expanding int'l ops outside of EWR and IAH. CLE-CDG will be the big test. It's awfully coincidental that there has been all this news about upgrading this and that at Hopkins over the past 6 months...and CAL's Paris announcement. Fitch's change of view about Hopkins also adds a little intrigue as to what Mr. Smith is doing behind the scenes. Mok who?

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hopkins (and continental specifically) need to get some plasmas up with a cnn feed. 

 

The airport network is not cheap.  From what I understand, most airports install it when they do upgrades w/exception of Delta.  Turner/Delta have a special agreement.

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^^ I think ya said AMS. It may be too soon to speak about it MyTwoSense, but I have feeling you are right about CAL expanding int'l ops outside of EWR and IAH. CLE-CDG will be the big test. It's awfully coincidental that there has been all this news about upgrading this and that at Hopkins over the past 6 months...and CAL's Paris announcement. Fitch's change of view about Hopkins also adds a little intrigue as to what Mr. Smith is doing behind the scenes. Mok who?

 

We'll one of my spies tells me that there be changes on the A concourse, but that's so obvious.  What's not obvious is what the changes will be.

 

I've even heard there would be a smaller building (6/8 gates) similar to Councourse D built next to or adjacent to Concourse A just for International operations.  This is "sort of interesting", I mean it could be done with Carribean flights going out in the morning and returning late in the evening same day and European flights going out Mid day/Early Evening.

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hopkins (and continental specifically) need to get some plasmas up with a cnn feed. 

 

The airport network is not cheap.  From what I understand, most airports install it when they do upgrades w/exception of Delta.  Turner/Delta have a special agreement.

 

is that the only option though (i don't know)?  continental has a few small LCDs (way to small) at the service center with a weather channel feed and a weather channel feed on the new plasma based arrival/departure monitors. 

 

i agree that there is a cost, but i would find more value in having real time information available at the airport over spending 2 million for bathroom upgrades (absent complete new terminal construction).

 

i'm envisioning 10, 42" plasmas - 6 in the C concourse and 4 in the D concourse.  similar to the restauarants, it seems they (continental or hopkins) could either have a satellite dish or cable feed to each of these.  worse case scenario:

 

10 basic cable feeds (40/month) - $400/month

10, 42" plasmas (1500/each) - $15,000

20 speakers (2 per tv, in ceiling, 100/set) - $2000

misc construction costs

 

it seems this could be accomplished for 20 grand and a small monthly fee.

 

does SWA still have their tvs at the end of the B concourse?

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Wimwar -- I have to disagree. Working for the airlines for the past 10 years...I can tell you one of the first amenities people look for in an airport are clean restrooms not TV's. TV's are up there...but if you ever look at people just before going on and especially getting off a long haul flight the first/last place they go are the restrooms. CLE's are pretty shitty, pardon the pun, compared to most.

 

I think the TV's are coming irregardless. If you wanna solve this problem, complain to CAL and Port Control. They get enough complaints...they'll do something.

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hopkins (and continental specifically) need to get some plasmas up with a cnn feed. 

 

The airport network is not cheap.  From what I understand, most airports install it when they do upgrades w/exception of Delta.  Turner/Delta have a special agreement.

 

is that the only option though (i don't know)?  continental has a few small LCDs (way to small) at the service center with a weather channel feed and a weather channel feed on the new plasma based arrival/departure monitors. 

 

i agree that there is a cost, but i would find more value in having real time information available at the airport over spending 2 million for bathroom upgrades (absent complete new terminal construction).

 

i'm envisioning 10, 42" plasmas - 6 in the C concourse and 4 in the D concourse.  similar to the restauarants, it seems they (continental or hopkins) could either have a satellite dish or cable feed to each of these.   worse case scenario:

 

10 basic cable feeds (40/month) - $400/month

10, 42" plasmas (1500/each) - $15,000

20 speakers (2 per tv, in ceiling, 100/set) - $2000

misc construction costs

 

it seems this could be accomplished for 20 grand and a small monthly fee.

 

does SWA still have their tvs at the end of the B concourse?

CNN's Airport Network Service is a satelite service, that the airport pays for upfront and passes on to tenants in rent fees.  Now, having said that if passengers and airlines at hopkins want to PAY for the service, then hopkins will need to get the ball rolling. Every airline at Hopkins is already in the network, so this shouldn't be to difficult.  The CNN airport services for Ohio is handled in Detroit.

 

This service is independent, of the Arrival/Departure monitors that the airlines install themselves and support via ad space (ie weather.com/the weather channel).

 

I suggest, you folks petition your perferred carrier and hopkins (216) 265-6000.  You can even say....Hopkins is the ONLY Major hub airport in the states WITHOUT the service.  :wtf:  You can also add, when airports like Savannah, GA; Springfield, MA or Mid America in St. Louis have the service and Cleveland doesn't.....the fault is not at Turner's doorstep.  Think about it.

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Wimwar -- I have to disagree. Working for the airlines for the past 10 years...I can tell you one of the first amenities people look for in an airport are clean restrooms not TV's. TV's are up there...but if you ever look at people just before going on and especially getting off a long haul flight the first/last place they go are the restrooms. CLE's are pretty shitty, pardon the pun, compared to most.

 

I think the TV's are coming irregardless. If you wanna solve this problem, complain to CAL and Port Control. They get enough complaints...they'll do something.

 

I'd take clean bathrooms over TV's any day.  In fact, I'd rather not have TV's blaring a bunch of stuff I don't want to watch in the first place, but I'm definitely in the minority on this one.  Although I can see their usefulness for providing weather or news related information that may affect passengers' trips, I don't understand why it seems that people have to have TV's on almost anywhere they go nowadays.   

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I would love to see the automatic seat covers in the bathrooms like they have in O'hare.  It's nice to not have to wipe piss off the seat and build a nest before I plant my rear! 

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I came back from Fort Worth the other night and was pleasently surprise by the new color being painted in the ticket area.

Anyone know if this was just forthe 'front door,' or is there more redecorating going on (besides TV's and toilets - which should be put together)?

 

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I came back from Fort Worth the other night and was pleasently surprise by the new color being painted in the ticket area.

Anyone know if this was just forthe 'front door,' or is there more redecorating going on (besides TV's and toilets - which should be put together)?

 

 

i think this is all cosmetic.

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Some "expansion" news:

 

Southwest is starting new non-stop service to/from Orlando, FL (MCO) beginning in March.  The service will be 2x daily, however at the expense of 2 Nashville and 1 Chicago-Midway flights/day. 

 

It's nice to see SWA switching things up a bit.  There's already 30+ daily departures between CLE and ORD/MDW on AA, UA, Continental, and SW, but Nashville has gone from 4-2 on SW and currently only has 2 on Continental.  Anyways, hopefully we'll see more expansion once the aprons are finished and an upgraded (and God willing) new Int'l concourse/terminal is completed?!?!  While it'd be great in many aspects to build a new midfield complex, I think we'd have a better chance waiting for the Browns to win a Superbowl...

 

Oh, btw, I'm very interested in transportation-related architecture, esp. airports.  They're an amazing organism.  Many times they're the first and only impression that millions of people may have on a respective city.  The airport can define a significant impression that one has on a city.  In some cases, airports do not do the city justice (ie Cleveland, the OLD Midway, La Guardia, just to name a few) and in other cases, the airport may do a city too much justice (sorry but DTW is really, REALLY nice, and well, if Detroit can have that, why can't we have one?!  No offense Detroit...).  Stuttgart, new CDG, DTW, and Zurich are quite gorgeous airports and maybe people coming back home to NEO whether it be from vacation or visiting for holidays/events wouldn't be so depressed/negative is the airpot was nicer. 

 

I know there's more to a city than its airport and that fresh paint and new chairs can only go so far, but at the same time, its MUCH better than old, stale paint and chairs with holes, too.  I wouldn't call it superficial, just responsible and proud!

 

GO CLE! 

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BTW, the Nashville pulldown has more to do with Nashville than Cleveland. LUV has been trying to make BNA a Southwest 'hub' along the lines of BWI. It's performance has been a mixed bag since it started. They reduce and add service all the time out of there, while BWI just keeps growing. The MCO service is not that surprising either, LUV seems to be focusing lately on places like PHX, LAS and Florida from the East Coast/Midwest cities it serves.

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BTW, the Nashville pulldown has more to do with Nashville than Cleveland. LUV has been trying to make BNA a Southwest 'hub' along the lines of BWI. It's performance has been a mixed bag since it started. They reduce and add service all the time out of there, while BWI just keeps growing. The MCO service is not that surprising either, LUV seems to be focusing lately on places like PHX, LAS and Florida from the East Coast/Midwest cities it serves.

 

Isn't it because, PHX, LAS, LAX, DAL, MDW are there largest "hubs" so to speak and FLL is a "focus" city?

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Honestly, every city is a hub for LUV. They have a tendency to "focus" their operations in certain cities if the price is right.

 

right, thats why I worded my response that way.  they are a "point-to-point" carrier, but those cities out west they are definitely the dominant carrier

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Right, sorry for not following you there. They're making serious inroads into FLL, MCO and TPA now that the other parts of the country are getting tapped out.

 

I thought they were pulling back on TPA since some of the smaller airports on Florida's west coast were looking for service.  but who knows, I haven't been on a SW plane since the offered $19 OW fares between CLE-MDW.

 

I would love to see SW introduce flights from CLE to OAK, PDX, SJO, ALB, PHX, SLC & LAX since Continental has limited or no service to those cities.

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Hopkins to reward you for keeping airport clean

Thursday, November 16, 2006

Susan Vinella

Plain Dealer Reporter

 

Pick up trash at Cleveland Hopkins International Airport and get a discount on your next food purchase.

 

The airport plans to launch an incentive program early next year to reward passengers and visitors who help keep Hopkins clean. Airport employees will hand out coupons for discounts on food and other items to anyone spotted pitching in.

 

The idea is part of a new marketing campaign titled, "Going Places," which touts Hopkins as a convenient, vibrant, growing airport.

 

The new slogan appears on green, blue and white signs hanging throughout the airport, as well as on trash cans urging passengers to pitch in. It also will be used in a regional advertising campaign.

 

To reach this Plain Dealer reporter:

 

[email protected], 216-999-5010

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Most owners and drivers said the proposal is likely to put some cab companies out of business.

 

Good.

There are a couple of companies that need to go out of business.

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sources tell me that cleveland airport systems will be floating a bond of between $150 - 200 million, primarily for capital improvements at hopkins

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speaking of cab co's and recent difficulty in procurring a cab in ohio city on a friday nite!  what do you believe is the best way to consistently get cabs for short runs (in and around downtown entertainment hubs)? should one get to know a particular cabby and promise him/her nice tips for short runs OR are some companies generally more willing to make shorter runs?

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From my limited experience, I've had good luck calling ahead with Yellow. One time I needed a ride from Lake/West 104th to the Rapid station at West Blvd., and I called the dispatcher and said "sorry it's a short distance" and they replied "not a problem, we're happy for your business." Also, if you have a decent ride, and your cabbie gives you a card for repeat business - use it. 

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yellow has always been very good (never complaining) about trips from theater district to warehouse, and ohio city to downtown.  these are all ~$4-6 trips.  i usually just call ahead, but can sometimes find one on the street downtown or in front of a hotel.

 

i think as long as they end up in a place where they are likely to pick up another fare, they shouldn't be complaining too much. 

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sources tell me that cleveland airport systems will be floating a bond of between $150 - 200 million, primarily for capital improvements at hopkins

 

I bet this is primarily for the international expansion and the customs area

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speaking of cab co's and recent difficulty in procurring a cab in ohio city on a friday nite!  what do you believe is the best way to consistently get cabs for short runs (in and around downtown entertainment hubs)? should one get to know a particular cabby and promise him/her nice tips for short runs OR are some companies generally more willing to make shorter runs?

 

Guv,

 

Try to get a regular cabbie. Even if they cannot get you due to being in the other part of town, they will call a fellow driver to get you.

Here are some good drivers (Ithink they are still working):

 

Gary - 216.410.5678

Jim - 216.390.5610

Mark - 216-973-8462

PJ - 216.533.6603

 

Like I said, if they cannot get to you, they will find somebody who will.

 

 

 

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  In some cases, airports do not do the city justice (ie Cleveland, the OLD Midway, La Guardia, just to name a few)

 

so true for cle but i really gotta take exception with you there on lga. not only is it the most convenient airport for nyc residents by far, it is also the most compact and no nonsense. i really appeciate it's design and flow. also, if you have ever flown the shuttles from there to dc/boston, it's like a step back in time to the best of the earliest days of flight -- not to mention that the marine air terminal itself is one beautiful classic building. i even liked the old midway too once the train was up and running out there -- i still prefer it to o'hare.

 

delta shuttle marine air terminal at laguardia

exterior

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interior

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^ I have to agree...I think LGA is the easiest to use out of the big 3 over there.  I am usually in Queens..it is so easy to jump on the Q33 bus to get there..then if you need to get into the city..it'll drop you right to the the 7 line (along with a few others)....I think it does the city more than justice...

  Never flew into Cincy or Cbus..so I have no idea how easy it is to get into the city center...I am pleased with Cleveland's ease of getting DT, with cabs if you use them , and the train. 

I wish down the road you would see a midfield terminal siilar to Atlanta with underground shuttles to each terminal...and maybe even to the car rental center.

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I love Cleveland's ease.  It's just that our terminal and concourses are outdate.  Too outdate to do major changes that keep the airport current

 

 

I use LGA all the time.  JDD actually taking the M60 to the N/W or to any station on 125 is quicker than taking the Q33.

 

The Delta marine terminal as pictured is lovely.  But now..its just plain..blah blah to me.  The DCA guitar terminal (terminal A) is cool.  However, the TWA Terminal at JFK....wins by a landslide!

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....I think it does the city more than justice..

 

Well in the sense that most of NYC's transportation infrastructure is dismally decrepit, outmoded or insufficient, I suppose it does do the city justice.

 

But seriously, nostalgia aside, LGA is a terrible airport.  Its only asset is its proximity to the city which is only an asset because you need to take a taxi, bus or boat to get there.

 

JFK is miserable too.  EWK is only marginally better.

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....I think it does the city more than justice..

 

Well in the sense that most of NYC's transportation infrastructure is dismally decrepit, outmoded or insufficient, I suppose it does do the city justice.

 

But seriously, nostalgia aside, LGA is a terrible airport.  Its only asset is its proximity to the city which is only an asset because you need to take a taxi, bus or boat to get there.

 

JFK is miserable too.   EWK is only marginally better.

 

I agree that NYC has horrible connections to its airports, but for me living in Harlem I can get to LGA in about 15 min., just about anytime of the day via cab and in under 35 min on the M 60.

 

Hell..between Shaker Square & Harlem I take public transportation between both homes and its practically door to door service (Starting at 125 St/Madison I can take the M 60 Bus to LGA;plane LGA to CLE;Airport Red Line to TowerCity transfer to Green Line to Coventry and I'm right in my door!) talk about the benefit of living close to public transportation!  :-P

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Here's what my friend in Chicago often does:

 

Metra Aurora Line from Berwyn to Chicago Union Station, walk two blocks to Wells Street to the Orange Line station at Quincy, Orange Line to Midway Airport, Southwest Airlines to Cleveland, Red Line from Hopkins Airport to Tower City Center, Portage Area Regional Transit Authority to Kent State Student Center, Campus Bus Service to Ravenna.

 

Tonight, it's a bit simpler but a little longer trip (through most of it he'll be asleep, however): Metra Aurora Line to Union Station, Amtrak Lake Shore Limited to Cleveland arriving at 4 a.m. (if on-time), wait a couple hours or less for first Waterfront Line train to Tower City (they make flag stops at the Amtrak station's walkway), have breakfast at Tower City, catch PARTA bus to KSU, Campus Bus to Ravenna.


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MTS...thanks for the info!  The only thing is, my first stop when I land is usually at 54th and Roosevelt in Woodside, Queens..so that is the best route for me...for now.

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"I wish there was a key in this thread to help me decipher all of these airport codes."

 

<Falls asleep thinking about it to much>

 

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Not sure if anyone has read this recent article on airport chief, Ricky Smith.  If you are interested, I believe you can get Inside-Business delivered to your home for free, via an application on their website.

 

http://www.inside-business.com/ME2/dirmod.asp?sid=F8C8DDD4679A4F8481CFF990B1FAAEA5&nm=Archive&type=Publishing&mod=Publications%3A%3AArticle&mid=7B30C2FA072245DE9AD5D82735C7041A&tier=4&id=AEA020BFC0974DB592BD69F6DBE438F1

Issue Date: November 2006 Issue, Posted On: 10/30/2006

 

Preparing for Takeoff

Cleveland Director of Port Control Ricky D. Smith is ready to make is mark on Hopkins and Burke by boosting revenue and travel at the city's two airports.

Morgan Lewis, Jr.

[email protected]

 

Even before he took the job at Cleveland Hopkins International Airport, Ricky D. Smith knew how important Continental Airlines is to Northeast Ohio.

 

Continental is the only major carrier to have a hub at Hopkins. The airline is responsible for 252 flights to as many as 71 destinations daily and has invested more than $150 million in new facilities.

 

But more than that, Smith, who up until April was second-in-command for the Maryland Aviation Administration, which controls the Baltimore/Washington International Thurgood Marshall Airport (BWI) and Martin State Airport, witnessed what happened in his native city in 2001 when the financially struggling US Airways removed its hub from BWI.

 

“The region went into a panic,” Smith says. “But what that really presented to us was an opportunity to refocus our airport.”

 

Thanks to the popularity of discount carrier Southwest Airlines, a major influx of traffic to BWI followed. The panic subsided and a $1.8 billion building renovation followed, which included the addition of terminal, retail and parking facilities.

 

Not that Smith expects the same thing to happen here, but keeping Continental as a hub carrier at Hopkins is just the beginning of his tasks. Smith, who took over Hopkins and Burke Lakefront Airport from the effective, but ironfisted leadership of previous director John Mok in June, must maintain and improve some of the oldest airport structures in the country, organize a mishmash of retail offerings and fend off competition from an increasingly aggressive Akron-Canton Regional Airport, not to mention cities like Pittsburgh and Detroit, who are targeting Northeast Ohio for passengers like never before thanks to the Internet.

 

But the 44-year-old Smith isn’t dismayed by those obstacles, or that he’s coming from a 20 million-passenger-a-year and growing airport to Cleveland that has maintained 10.5 million to 13 million passengers a year for the last 10 years.

 

Smith doesn’t scare easily.

 

“If you look at my professional history you’ll find I would never run away from challenges,” Smith says. “I see the ability to take this airport to the next level and make an impact on Cleveland and the region that will outlive myself, the mayor, any of us.”

 

When he was only 12 years old, Smith could almost name every black business owner on Black Enterprise magazine’s “Top 100” list it published every year.

 

“One day, I thought, I was going to be one of them,” Smith says. “There was always a desire and interest on my part to be an entrepreneur.”

After completing a bachelor’s degree in business administration from Howard University in Washington, D.C., Smith completed his MBA from Loyola College in Maryland’s Executive Masters program.

 

“As I got older and spent more time with a number of politicians I began to fall in love with public service,” Smith says. “Airports allow you to be an entrepreneur and public servant at the same time. That’s what keeps me here is my business ability and my ability to negotiate. At the end of the day, we have to focus on the bottom line.”

 

 

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Excellent!  I'm really starting to like him.  He seems to want to do whats best for Cleveland and the airport instead of doing the "dance" and kiss ass!

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I'm not going to link the 373 related articles on the Continental-United merger in Google, but it is safe to say they are in preliminary talks. Beyond what this means for the CLE hub, this could be a real disaster for the aviation industry. If CAL-UAL is run out of Chicago along with a new DAL-USAir airline run by US Scare managment in Phoenix, God help anyone trying to fly. And don't EVER, EVER check your bag. :)

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TheGuv - Thats a recycled article

 

You know the DAL-USscare threat is over.

 

If Continental-United do merge, Cleveland would probably be kept as it convenient to hand the congested  Newark and O'Hare.

 

Although in the back of my mind I feel like Cleveland should be promoting a second hub like Alaska (preferable as its a continental partner) or Frontier as well as bring in Jet Blue.

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You know the DAL-USscare threat is over.

 

If Continental-United do merge, Cleveland would probably be kept as it convenient to hand the congested  Newark and O'Hare.

 

Although in the back of my mind I feel like Cleveland should be promoting a second hub like Alaska (preferable as its a continental partner) or Frontier as well as bring in Jet Blue.

 

DAL-US Scare isn't over. It's contingent on termination the DAL's pilots pension plan. Which is real posibility considering how BK courts have ruled on airlines in the recent past.

 

Don't forget, back in '00 the US Scare-United merger was called off more than a few times for fear of DOJ reprisals only for them them to attempt to partner back up again. It wasn't until the post-9/11 market conditions played out that US Scare-United decided to part seperate ways.

 

Also if it were truly over, CAL-UAL wouldn't be talking.

 

As for a second hub, Frontier is flying out of CAK...doubt they'll switch aiports and then expand at CLE. Alaska is a bit of a stretch...but ya never know. JetBlue would mean flights to JFK and BOS or IAD. That's about it. :)

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You know the DAL-USscare threat is over.

 

If Continental-United do merge, Cleveland would probably be kept as it convenient to hand the congested Newark and O'Hare.

 

Although in the back of my mind I feel like Cleveland should be promoting a second hub like Alaska (preferable as its a continental partner) or Frontier as well as bring in Jet Blue.

 

DAL-US Scare isn't over. It's contingent on termination the DAL's pilots pension plan. Which is real posibility considering how BK courts have ruled on airlines in the recent past.

 

Don't forget, back in '00 the US Scare-United merger was called off more than a few times for fear of DOJ reprisals only for them them to attempt to partner back up again. It wasn't until the post-9/11 market conditions played out that US Scare-United decided to part seperate ways.

 

Also if it were truly over, CAL-UAL wouldn't be talking.

 

As for a second hub, Frontier is flying out of CAK...doubt they'll switch aiports and then expand at CLE. Alaska is a bit of a stretch...but ya never know. JetBlue would mean flights to JFK and BOS or IAD. That's about it. :)

 

I could have sworn they said they (USAir) were going to back off.  CAL-UAL have been doing this dance since Feb. 2003.

 

Frontier doesn't have a second hub, thats their Achilles heel.  So why shouldn't they come CLE same for Alaska.

 

Jet Blue doesn't have a real presence in the Midwest, so again, this could be an opportunity for Cleveland.

 

It could be a win-win for the airlines and Cleveland Southwest/JetBlue duel it out on low fares and marketing and Continental has to match...bring customers to the airport!

 

An airport that rarely rarely has delays..runs efficiently even during storms, the only minus is the terminal/concourses themselves. :|

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i like the way this new hopkins chief talks the talk. good start.

 

here's some merger talks news from today:

 

 

December 13, 2006

Continental and United in Deal Talks

By ANDREW ROSS SORKIN and JEFF BAILEY

United Airlines and Continental Airlines have been holding talks on a potential merger, a combination that would create the biggest domestic airline, with a combined value of $9 billion, people involved in the negotiations said last night.

 

The discussions, though far from complete, could spur a wholesale realignment of the airline industry.

 

The talks, apparently initiated by United, recently picked up pace after US Airways’ bid last month to buy Delta Air Lines for about $8 billion, these people said.

 

US Airways’ proposal, promising $1.65 billion a year in savings by joining with Delta, has helped add urgency to carriers’ interests in merging.

 

Large airlines like United, the second-largest domestic carrier, and Continental, the fifth-largest, have spent recent years lowering their costs to become more competitive with low-cost carriers and with each other. None of them want to be at a cost disadvantage to rivals.

 

A United spokeswoman, Jean Medina, and a Continental spokesman, David Messing, declined to comment.

 

Meanwhile, AirTran Holdings, a low-cost carrier that competes against Delta, is expected today to make an offer for Midwest Air, a smaller airline in Milwaukee, for about $200 million, or $11.25 a share, in cash and AirTran stock, a person close to the deal said last night.

 

AirTran’s chief executive, Joseph B. Leonard, could not be reached.

 

United’s chief executive, Glenn F. Tilton, and Continental’s chief executive, Larry Kellner, have met in person to discuss a combination, a person with knowledge of the talks said.

 

But two executives with knowledge of United’s efforts expressed skepticism over the likelihood of a United-Continental deal. The executives, who requested anonymity because of their role, said Mr. Tilton had initially approached Delta, which said it was not interested, before contacting Continental.

 

 

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That last paragraph tells why this merger, if it ever attempted, will probably fail. While the hubs and route structures work well between the two, the two companies corporate mentalites mesh about as well as oil and water. UAL will never give up the reigns to CAL. Many senior folks at United still consider CAL along the same lines as they did the Eastern many years ago, as the enemy. Then there was the "screw CAL" campaign by many UAL pilots back in the early 90's. There is too much bad blood between these two. It would be like if Lerner decided to buy the Steelers and merge them with the Browns. Then again, never say never. :)

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That last paragraph tells why this merger, if it ever attempted, will probably fail. While the hubs and route structures work well between the two, the two companies corporate mentalites mesh about as well as oil and water. UAL will never give up the reigns to CAL. Many senior folks at United still consider CAL along the same lines as they did the Eastern many years ago, as the enemy. Then there was the "screw CAL" campaign by many UAL pilots back in the early 90's. There is too much bad blood between these two. It would be like if Lerner decided to buy the Steelers and merge them with the Browns. Then again, never say never. :)

 

I've been reading some of the merge reports and it appears NW has to approve any merger or take over of continental.

 

And with NW & CO "in bed" so to speak, and NW in bankruptcy.  It seems the hard way to go.

 

As amrap states, the continental management will want to run the show, but the United Name would stay.  However, united employees dont trust the management.

 

but who knows what will happen

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From Wiki, a CAL history from derugulation to '95:

 

First bankruptcy

 

In 1978, the Airline Deregulation Act was passed by Congress, creating problems that spurred many airline mergers. After considering a merger with Frontier Airlines, Continental was acquired by Texas International based in Houston in 1982 where the headquarters subsequently moved. The merger gave Continental its current hub at George Bush Intercontinental Airport and its routes to Mexico; it also gave Continental a new CEO, former Texas International chief Frank Lorenzo. In 1983 Continental filed to reorganize under Chapter 11 of the Federal Bankruptcy Code: much of the airline was liquidated and the company was rebranded as a low-cost carrier. Continental was also forced to abandon its hub in Los Angeles although it maintained its South Pacific routes.

 

In 1985, Continental made its first rebound by starting flights from Newark and Houston to London. The company emerged from bankruptcy in 1986. Just one year later Lorenzo decided to purchase People Express and its hub at Newark, making Continental the third-largest airline in the U.S. (Ironically, People Express's founder and CEO, Don Burr, had originally resigned from his position at Texas International under Lorenzo to found the airline.) 1987 saw the creation of the OnePass frequent flyer program, and in 1988 Continental made its first partnership ever, with SAS.

 

 

[edit] Second bankruptcy

Continental filed for bankruptcy again in 1990, shortly after unveiling a new white and blue livery. There were a number of circumstances behind the second bankruptcy: Lorenzo left Continental to dedicate himself full time to Eastern Air Lines, and fuel prices had risen because of Iraq's invasion of Kuwait and the resulting Gulf War. People Express had also been highly leveraged at the time of its merger with Continental, having purchased Frontier Airlines just two years before. In 1993 Air Canada, along with Air Partners and Texas Pacific Group, aided Continental in coming out of chapter 11 once again by investing $450 million dollars in the airline. Under the leadership of Gordon Bethune Continental subsequently ordered new Boeing aircraft - converting to an all-Boeing fleet - and scaled down their expensive Denver hub until it was closed entirely in 1995. Bethune chronicled his experiences in the book From Worst to First.

 

United employees and even their managers hated Lorenzo for being the union-busting guy he was. Again, it's old history, but there are plenty of old farts working at UAL. :)

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