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When was this meeting held Tuesday? (I was listening to Residents of East North Broadway vs Comercial interests and city of Columbus part 15 that night)

 

All the state and federal officials are lining up the $$$ to get this rebuilt one way or the other. I think I saw ODOT set aside $800 million for the project, majority of that I think came from the Federal transportation bill (pending?).

 

Otherwise, I think it's a safe bet that there will be a cap of some sort between German Village/Brewery District and the CBD. Last plans I saw didn't include a cap between Olde Town East and the CBD (how about a cap over I-70 east instead?), and might be impossible to do with space considerations along I-71 between the east split and the I-670 mess.

 

Otherwise, I agree with Chris, the more caps the better.

(Make it like I-95 in Philadelphia....between the Whittman & Franklin Bridges)

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Either that or Bill Habig, head of MORPC, gave out the wrong numbers

(I wonder if he's throwing out bad numbers to dis-sway the public?) :???:

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they need these caps!

 

 

http://www.dot.state.oh.us/7071study/comments.htm has public comments about all the ideas...its a long page and has some really bad and good things said....here are a few of them that make me puke:

 

"Get rid of the downtown posh condos and widen that highway. Tear down the brewery district the courthouse and the jail and widen that highway. Patrol that road and get the large trucks and hazardous materials off that stretch of road during commuter times."

 

"The basic section of the I-70/I-71 funnel should be at least 10 lanes, consisting of at least 3 through lanes in each direction for I-70 and at least 2 lanes in each direction for I-71. Even if traffic were to grow at the conservative rate of 1% per year, 10 lanes would be warranted in the overlap area before the facility could even be let for construction. The overlap area should include collector-distributor facilities so that I-70 and I-71 access to/from Fourth & High Street can be achieved without main lane weaving through the East Interchange."

 

"No, why waste the tax money we spent on the I-70 fix to waste on making it a city street? Why don't you take I-71 down Parson south and out Haul Road? "

 

that first comment, i hope its a joke but im afraid its serious :stupid:

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they need these caps!

 

 

http://www.dot.state.oh.us/7071study/comments.htm has public comments about all the ideas...its a long page and has some really bad and good things said....here are a few of them that make me puke:

 

"Get rid of the downtown posh condos and widen that highway. Tear down the brewery district the courthouse and the jail and widen that highway. Patrol that road and get the large trucks and hazardous materials off that stretch of road during commuter times."

 

"The basic section of the I-70/I-71 funnel should be at least 10 lanes' date=' consisting of at least 3 through lanes in each direction for I-70 and at least 2 lanes in each direction for I-71. Even if traffic were to grow at the conservative rate of 1% per year, 10 lanes would be warranted in the overlap area before the facility could even be let for construction. The overlap area should include collector-distributor facilities so that I-70 and I-71 access to/from Fourth & High Street can be achieved without main lane weaving through the East Interchange."

 

"No, why waste the tax money we spent on the I-70 fix to waste on making it a city street? Why don't you take I-71 down Parson south and out Haul Road? "

 

that first comment, i hope its a joke but im afraid its serious :stupid:[/quote']

 

Two schools of thought....

 

1. Someone from Suburbia who only see Columbus as something they have to go through (IOW, hates cities)

 

2. Class warfare. Someone who lost their property or neighborhood when I-70 or 71 was built and views this as another rich get richer money grab.

 

Yeah, it looks dumb on the surface, but there has always been prerocialism in Columbus. That's why it took over 50 years to get I-670 completed and why there should be (but isn't) a bridge/connector road between Bethel and Morse Rds in Northern Columbus.

 

Sandor

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Is that the mindset in Columbus??

 

heh whens that light-rail system going up there?

 

When the population decides not to spend their money on their cars.

 

This nowhere near a slam dunk as to happening....yet

 

 

Sandor

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^ But it's chicken/egg. People won't feel confident giving up driving unless there is a better alternative, but a better alternative won't happen until people decide that the current transportation patterns are unsustainable.

 

Sandor, I feel that the majority of people who lost land when the interstates were built are either dead, no longer hold a grudge, or have moved away.

 

As for the people from suburbia who feel that Columbus should exist for their own personal transporation convenience, well, as the French say, "F**k 'em".

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^ But it's chicken/egg. People won't feel confident giving up driving unless there is a better alternative' date=' but a better alternative won't happen until people decide that the current transportation patterns are unsustainable.[/quote']

 

All I can say to that is COTA held a meeting concerning their rail proposal (their Downtown to Worthington line) in Clintonville back in February and

there were many concerns voiced from noise to traffic congestion (the proposed train is supposed to run in the middle(?) of High St through OSU and the Short North) to convience.

 

Along with that, many of these public transit companies have bad public image they have to fight off as well. Personally, I have my concerns with COTA running any sort of Rail line in Columbus.

 

^ Sandor' date=' I feel that the majority of people who lost land when the interstates were built are either dead, no longer hold a grudge, or have moved away.[/quote']

 

Except that they have children and not all them do move away. The disdain and hatred is passed on generation to generation.

 

I've seen it at the two meetings for I-70/71 split reconstruction I've been to. I've seen it at the two meetings concerning East North Broadway and High St in Clintonville (though that debate has been a little more constitant and not as long running)

And even 10 years ago when there were discussing about routing a new interstate from Toledo to Columbus to Portsmouth (I-73), there were some who referenced I-71 being built 30 years prior and US 23 in Delaware County.

 

Home and neighborhood is a hard thing to do away with.

 

^ As for the people from suburbia who feel that Columbus should exist for their own personal transporation convenience' date=' well, as the French say, "F**k 'em". [/quote']

 

You can do so as long as they stay in the minority. But it doesn't take much for the minority to hold things up.

 

Sandor

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Why don't they just make it 250 lanes?

 

because then they would probably have to clear out some of the parking lots downtown.

 

and i heard the rail line was to run up the tracks just east of fourth street...or are those different plans?

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^I heard that too.


"You don't just walk into a bar and mix it up by calling a girl fat" - buildingcincinnati speaking about new forumers

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and i heard the rail line was to run up the tracks just east of fourth street...or are those different plans?

 

The plan I saw (from Cota back in January) was to use the current tracks (east of Indianola/4th) south past Clintonville, then shift over to High St. through Campus, Short North, downtown, all the way to the Brewery District.

 

Looking at my Fast Trax flyer from December, it does mention using Summit Street, so I don't know which street Cota is planning on using, other than they were talking about going to the Brewery District when I last saw them.

 

Sandor

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from http://www.cotafasttrax.com/faq.php

 

21. If the light rail line travels up and down Summit and 4th, will parking on those streets be eliminated?

 

COTA is currently studying the best alignment for the light rail, including options on 4th and Summit Streets and High Street. On 4th and Summit, the trains could run on either side of the street, but both configurations would be designed to minimize the reduction of on-street parking. By running the trains in existing travel lanes, most of the parking could be preserved, although some parking would be needed for station locations. Running the trains in the travel lanes would also serve as a traffic calming feature.

 

 

so it looks like cota doesn't even know where the line will be

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from the dispatch. looks like it won't happen

 

 

 

ODOT seeks opinions on best fix for split

High cost eliminates tunnel and cap options

 

State highway officials want the public?s help to come up with the best way to fix the I-70/71 split Downtown.

 

Many of the 100 people who attended said it?s difficult to determine a favorite. Others said easier fixes are possible.

 

Larry Davis' date=' president of the Ohio Trucking Association, said he?s frustrated that ODOT rejected an option to reroute I-71 traffic to I-670, a plan ODOT officials said would require widescale building demolitions and wouldn?t repair the split.

 

"If you took all the traffic up to I-670, you solve this problem today," Davis said.

 

Some said ODOT isn?t sensitive to neighborhoods.

 

"It just doesn?t seem like they take the human aspect into consideration," said Ed Virtue of Olde Towne East. "From what I?ve seen, they?ll either make us another island or not do anything to help us."

 

Some area bicyclists said ODOT hasn?t considered them, either.

 

"Columbus has the opportunity to become a nice city for people who live here and not just people who drive through it," said Marcus Linckelmawn of Victorian Village.

 

[/quote']

 

In this instance, I believe ODOT is damned if they do, and damned if they don't. No matter what they choose, someone (or group) will be unhappy.

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yes, damn odot :lol: the trucker said all problems would be fixed if they send trucks to 670, but 270 sounds even better.

and not enough money to do the cap...that sounds like a familiar problem

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yes' date=' damn odot :lol: the trucker said all problems would be fixed if they send trucks to 670, but 270 sounds even better.

and not enough money to do the cap...that sounds like a familiar problem[/quote']

 

Actually, flip/floping the I-670/70 designations wouldn't be a bad idea in my opinion either. The only possible catch would be, how much traffic could I-270 handle between Gahanna and Reynoldsburg with an I-70 multiplex? MORPC/ODOT are already starting a study on the far east side freeways so maybe it could work.

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This has been a topic since 2002, when meeting after meeting after meeting after meeting after meeting started taking place.  Since there will be future developments, I decided I might as well start a thread on it.

 

The study concerns that weak-ass jog of I-71/I-70 between DT and German Village/Brewery District.

 

Construction is not expected to start until 2007 or 2008.

 

Here's the website for the project.  There's more than enough here to kill an afternoon:

http://www.dot.state.oh.us/7071study/default.asp

 

 

 

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BTW, there will be public meetings coming up in August.  Is anyone going?  I got this stuff from the project website:

 

 

NEW INFORMATION ON PLANS TO REBUILD I-70/71 “SPLIT”

 

The Ohio Department of Transportation will hold a series of public meetings to share new information and analysis on four concepts that would rebuild the Interstate 70/71 downtown “split.” The concepts range in complexity from improving the existing freeway system to rebuilding the entire corridor.

 

The analysis will compare each concept based on safety, accessibility, traffic flow, cost, environmental and community factors. ODOT will also share information on ramp locations, traffic volume and potential environmental impacts.

 

The I-70/71 split is the most congested, high-crash freeway location in the state. It was built more than 40 years ago, and carries about 175,000 vehicles a day — about 50,000 more than the highway was designed to handle. As a result, the highway experiences about three crashes each day.

 

ODOT plans to make a final decision for fixing the corridor by February 2006.

 

Public Meetings will be held:

 

August 2 & 3

Open House from 5 to 7 p.m

Presentation at 5:15 and 6:15 p.m. (Room 119C)

Columbus Health Department Auditorium

240 Parsons Avenue (corner of Parsons and Main)

Free parking in rear

 

August 9

Open House from 5 to 7 p.m.

Presentation at 5:15 and 6:15 p.m.

German Village Meeting Haus

588 S. Third St.

 

FOR MORE INFORMATION, CONTACT:

Michelle May at (614) 644-8309

 

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RANKINGS OF 4 PLANS FOR SPLIT UNVEILED

ODOT seeks reaction to ideas for fixing I-70/71 Downtown

Published: Friday, July 29, 2005

NEWS 01D

By Tim Doulin

THE COLUMBUS DISPATCH

 

Under all options being considered to fix the I-70/71 split, some Downtown exit and entrance ramps will be closed or moved to safer locations.

 

Motorists still will be able to access Downtown destinations, but they will be doing it a different way, according to the Ohio Department of Transportation.

 

"We are changing the access, but you can still get there,'' said Michelle May, spokeswoman for ODOT.

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I think I have some from 2 years ago.  Besides being out of date, they are slightly buried right now as well

(I spent the weekend moving from one side of LSU to a different side)

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Man, caps over I-70/71 have been talked about for a decade now. Here's hoping all parties can actually commit to it. Considering the City of Columbus and ODOT are still feuding over the oversized billboards downtown though, it'll be interesting to see if both sides can work out something on this project.

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im glad to see that the caps are still in. :-D i think it would be very nice to do that from spring street down to second street! they could have shops, restaurants, and parks on top of the caps. i wonder if they would really consider the boulevard idea? if they do, i wonder what they would name it? they should name it after a prominent columbus figure head or famous person

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ODOT is not going to bring in the money for the Caps.  Columbus wants the caps and to have them will have to figure out to get them paid for.

 

Right now, I'd put money on ODOT not building caps because Columbus brought them back into play too late in the process.

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From Suburban News Publications, 10/5/05:

 

 

Cash needed to make 'split' cap a reality

By ROSEMARY KUBERA

 

Show us the money. That's what the Ohio Department of Transportation is telling the city of Columbus and developers who want to create a so-called Grand Boulevard along, and capping over, the Interstate 70-71 "split" south of Downtown.

 

The German Village Society supports the concept.

 

http://www.snponline.com/NEWS10-5/10-5_gvcap.htm

 

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