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Is that what’s happening? My understanding is Vandercaar was basically a third-party matchmaker who gets a cut (still sh*tty) then backs out of the development process once the port takes ownership. 

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7 hours ago, jmecklenborg said:

Ahem:

 

This is an absolute disaster.  One Cranley stooge after another getting paid off with public funds. 

 

 

 

 

 

They should have built the new hotel on 5th Street and then dealt with the Millenium later. I will never understand the logic in the current plan

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1 hour ago, Pdrome513 said:

Is that what’s happening? My understanding is Vandercaar was basically a third-party matchmaker who gets a cut (still sh*tty) then backs out of the development process once the port takes ownership. 

 

The latest Business Courier article doesn't make it clear whether Vandercar will be involved in the eventual redevelopment of that site or not. If a way, it makes it even more shady if Vandercar doesn't even have any part in the redevelopment and simply got paid off for their "help" in acquiring the Millennium.

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1 minute ago, taestell said:

 

The latest Business Courier article doesn't make it clear whether Vandercar will be involved in the eventual redevelopment of that site or not. If a way, it makes it even more shady if Vandercar doesn't even have any part in the redevelopment and simply got paid off for their "help" in acquiring the Millennium.

 

I sense that he put up a relatively small amount of cash as a bridge loan (earnest money?!!!) but in essence was simply the "realtor".  What would be crazy is if they set up a lease and he gets an annual cut from the lease. 

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4 hours ago, taestell said:

 

The latest Business Courier article doesn't make it clear whether Vandercar will be involved in the eventual redevelopment of that site or not. If a way, it makes it even more shady if Vandercar doesn't even have any part in the redevelopment and simply got paid off for their "help" in acquiring the Millennium.

That doesn't bother me. Vandercar essentially put the contract together and flipped it to the Port. THey should be compensated for that at the very minimum. 

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The garages immediately north of the convention center hold 1,570 parking spaces, according to this diagram from the FCC stadium PD application documents ( https://www.cincinnati-oh.gov/planning/assets/File/Final Development Plan - Stadium.pdf ) (FCC is counting 840 of them as being available during stadium events.)  If the powers that be decide to expand the convention center, they may decide that this amount of parking spaces is irreplaceable, thus ruling out expansion to the north over Sixth and then they will say expanding over Elm Street is the only option.  So yet another bad urban design choice would be made based off of parking.

 

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Liquidation sale scheduled for Millennium Hotel contents

 

A liquidation sale of the contents of the former Millennium Cincinnati Hotel has been scheduled for Jan. 31, starting at 10 a.m.

 

International Content Liquidations Inc. will offer all surplus furniture, fixtures and equipment, as well as all operating supplies and equipment used in the operation of the 870-room hotel. The public sale will continue until sold out, with sale hours of 10 a.m.-5 p.m. Monday through Saturday and Sunday noon-5 p.m. There is a $2 admission.

 

The items that will be sold include the contents of 850 guest rooms, such as 800 flat screen TVs, commercial kitchen equipment, chairs and banquet tables, commercial laundry equipment, office furniture, crystal ballroom chandeliers, carpet and drapes, artwork and other items.

 

 

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20 minutes ago, taestell said:

 

I remember going to the liquidation sale for the Vernon Manor years ago and by the time we got in everything was picked over. However, it was actually pretty cool seeing the history of the old hotel and having access to a lot of areas you would not normally have access too. 

 

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I went to the Millennium liquidation sale on Saturday.  It was total pandemonium.  The whole place looked like it it was ransacked, like some Katrina/Rodney King looting.  They had a hillbilly auctioneer as the gatekeeper and a semi-shady character charging a $2 cash cover that he was probably splitting with the Sheriff's deputy.  The merchandise was medium-low quality, but all of those characters who drive from their trailers in West Virginia to Ohio's colleges on move-out day were there.  I actually overheard some people who expressed their awe for the dumpy ballroom.  People were picking through the linens, as if some fortune was to be found in buying bed sheets.  You had the sense you were riding in elevators with people who had never been in an elevator before. 

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10 hours ago, jmecklenborg said:

I went to the Millennium liquidation sale on Saturday.  It was total pandemonium.  The whole place looked like it it was ransacked, like some Katrina/Rodney King looting.  They had a hillbilly auctioneer as the gatekeeper and a semi-shady character charging a $2 cash cover that he was probably splitting with the Sheriff's deputy.  The merchandise was medium-low quality, but all of those characters who drive from their trailers in West Virginia to Ohio's colleges on move-out day were there.  I actually overheard some people who expressed their awe for the dumpy ballroom.  People were picking through the linens, as if some fortune was to be found in buying bed sheets.  You had the sense you were riding in elevators with people who had never been in an elevator before. 

I was thinking of going just to get some outside views photos from the Ballroom (if that is what the top floor is called). Do ya think it is worth the two bucks? Sounds like it might be just for the comedy. I saw the load up area at the back Sunday afternoon and there were cars and uhauls lined up down the block.

 

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1 hour ago, SleepyLeroy said:

I saw the load up area at the back Sunday afternoon and there were cars and uhauls lined up down the block.

 

 

It was definitely a scene.  Most of the contents of the Millennium will end up piled around trailers in West Virginia.  

 

 

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1 hour ago, jmecklenborg said:

 

It was definitely a scene.  Most of the contents of the Millennium will end up piled around trailers in West Virginia.  

 

 

Hey now I was born right across the river from WV and alot of my family lives or is from West Virginia. Don’t make me get my brother cousin down here. 

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I'm even more confident a new hotel won't open in less than 5 years on the Millennium site.  Maybe the over/under should be 10 years.

 

Maybe the bet should be: Which gets completed first: a hotel on this site or the Brent Spence Bridge replacement?

 

https://www.bizjournals.com/cincinnati/news/2020/02/07/millennium-hotel-project-54-million-and-counting.html

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1 hour ago, thesenator said:

I'm even more confident a new hotel won't open in less than 5 years on the Millennium site.  Maybe the over/under should be 10 years.

 

Maybe the bet should be: Which gets completed first: a hotel on this site or the Brent Spence Bridge replacement?

 

https://www.bizjournals.com/cincinnati/news/2020/02/07/millennium-hotel-project-54-million-and-counting.html


I disagree. But we shall see. In the mean time I’m hoping to see construction start on The Kimpton, Fourth and Walnut Hilton’s, and the 7th and Race Marriott TownePlace ASAP. Cincinnati REALLY needs more rooms.

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2 hours ago, 646empire said:


I disagree. But we shall see. In the mean time I’m hoping to see construction start on The Kimpton, Fourth and Walnut Hilton’s, and the 7th and Race Marriott TownePlace ASAP. Cincinnati REALLY needs more rooms.

7th and Race towneplace is under construction now, 4th and Walnut is suppose to still happen. Kimpton at the traction building is confusing. Don't forget the gywnne building to be a hotel as well.

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15 hours ago, savadams13 said:

7th and Race towneplace is under construction now, 4th and Walnut is suppose to still happen. Kimpton at the traction building is confusing. Don't forget the gywnne building to be a hotel as well.


Costs of renovating these historic buildings are a challenge, but I think all 3 of the unstarted developments will happen as all are still being worked on.  It’s just taking longer than many expect to get the projects started.  Unfortunately the Terrace Plaza appears to have the least chance of success due the damages from many years of neglect.

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6 hours ago, jmecklenborg said:

^Is there anything structurally wrong with the Terrace Hilton other than it's a big cube with no windows topped by a replica of UC's Dabney Hall?

 

 

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The last construction crew that partially dismantled the cooling tower on the hotel tower portion created massive holes in the roof that has been letting the outside in the building. Last time I was in there the mold was not healthy can only imagine the damage of rain and snow are doing to the structure.

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2 hours ago, savadams13 said:

The last construction crew that partially dismantled the cooling tower on the hotel tower portion created massive holes in the roof that has been letting the outside in the building. Last time I was in there the mold was not healthy can only imagine the damage of rain and snow are doing to the structure.

 

That's crazy.  Doesn't work like that require a permit, and if so, who permitted it? 

 

 

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6 hours ago, jmecklenborg said:

 

That's crazy.  Doesn't work like that require a permit, and if so, who permitted it? 

 

 

 

It was one of those emergency repairs done awhile back. The previous owner used two idiots and a truck construction crews. I remember watching them dismantle the brick wall around the cooling tower and just throwing the bricks all over the roof. 

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Yes the roof is a mess and the top 2 floors destroyed by water and mold.  As you go further down it gets better, but still has been totally neglected for 20 plus years.

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This is from the tour they had 2yrs or so ago. the roof membrane that used to be sealed to the side walls here was all pulled off (i think because the copper flashing was scrapped) and the membrane was ripped up in spots. That cooling tower has framing that was rusted clear through in spots too.

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Haha! Not that i know but ive been to many of the weird tours and walks about town. Hopefully more now once it warms up I love seeing the more obscure places, I think the last bigger one was the US Chili building that the Preservation Collective put together.

 

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Kearney: Port’s award of Millennium contract ‘unjust and unfair’

By Chris Wetterich  – Staff reporter and columnist, Cincinnati Business Courier

Feb 13, 2020, 2:48pm EST Updated 2 hours ago

 

The CEO of the Cincinnati & Northern Kentucky African American Chamber of Commerce sharply criticized the Port of Greater Cincinnati Development Authority’s decision to award a contract to redevelop the Millennium Hotel without competitive bidding.

 

“This is unjust and unfair,” said Eric Kearney, the former state lawmaker who leads the region’s black chamber, in a statement Thursday. “Input from the African American Chamber and other economic development organizations should have been solicited by the CEO of the Port.”

 

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3 hours ago, thesenator said:

I feel like the Port Authority needs to just come out and level with the public on what’s going on here.

Theres too much money involved and too many of what seem from the outside to be massive red flags that I would hope that there’s more to this plan than what is made public.

Overpay for a large functioning hotel to demolish it with no concrete plan or financing to replace it- when you already own a large buildable lot a block away- seems so insanely dumb and risky that there just has to be more to this you’d hope...

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On 2/23/2020 at 4:01 PM, Guy23 said:

I feel like the Port Authority needs to just come out and level with the public on what’s going on here.

Theres too much money involved and too many of what seem from the outside to be massive red flags that I would hope that there’s more to this plan than what is made public.

Overpay for a large functioning hotel to demolish it with no concrete plan or financing to replace it- when you already own a large buildable lot a block away- seems so insanely dumb and risky that there just has to be more to this you’d hope...


I agree, this is really starting to seem very odd and backwards. The public is really watching this transaction/project and I hope government officials know that.

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Yeah, it's a giant scam.  Just like everything else that happens under Cranley.  

 

Remember when talk radio went bonkers for several years over Mallory's proposal to create an event space at City Hall?  Jesus.  

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On 1/27/2020 at 10:21 AM, taestell said:

The latest Business Courier article doesn't make it clear whether Vandercar will be involved in the eventual redevelopment of that site or not. If a way, it makes it even more shady if Vandercar doesn't even have any part in the redevelopment and simply got paid off for their "help" in acquiring the Millennium.

 

Enquirer story:

 

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Smyjunas received a $2.5 million fee from The Port after it closed on the $36 million purchase of the property at 150 W. Fifth St. on Feb. 14. [...]

 

But The Port also agreed to pay him an additional $5 million when it issued bonds to redevelop the hotel site, according to a copy of the contract between The Port and Vandercar obtained by The Enquirer.

 

So, yeah, he will not be involved in the development in any way and made $7.5 million for simply playing "matchmaker" in this deal.

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On 1/15/2020 at 10:17 AM, Ucgrad2015 said:

If it’s going to take a year I am assuming that it will not be imploded but basically disassembled? 

 

The Port now says that a portion of the building will be imploded. The article doesn't have many specifics beyond, "the portion closest to 84.51 will be demolished by hand and the rest of the building will be imploded."

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The whole thing keeps getting fishier and fishier.  The heating system has been "compromised"?  Despite the fact the building was occupied by guests just five weeks ago?  

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36 minutes ago, jmecklenborg said:

The whole thing keeps getting fishier and fishier.  The heating system has been "compromised"?  Despite the fact the building was occupied by guests just five weeks ago?  

Not sure what that means but i think for at least the last 2 years there was a few portable HVAC units under the vehicle entrance with vents running through holes cut into the windows. Something was wrong with it.

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On 1/15/2020 at 2:44 PM, taestell said:

The Convention Center isn't even sure if they need to expand -- they just started studying it in October and probably won't know the answer for a few more months.

 

Serious question. What impact is Covid-19 going to have on the convention center's expansion plans, and for that matter, the future plans of convention centers across the country? Virtually every medium to large conference or convention is being cancelled this spring, which will have an immediate financial impact. But I wouldn't be surprised if people remain hesitant to travel to big conventions, and convention centers see a measurable decline for the next few years.

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2 hours ago, Brutus_buckeye said:

On the bright side, with this Covid 19 stuff, the city is not going to miss any of the hotel rooms from the closed soon to be demolished Millennium 

 

This is a crazy stroke of luck.  On another forum somebody reprimanded me for saying I had a "loser mentality" because I acknowledged the existence of luck. 

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