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They don't have any actual power, but many developers will take their advice, or at least parts of their advice, in order to get a better product. GE didn't change their building much, but they did make positive changes after their meeting with the board. I imagine this will be a similar situation. We likely won't see something drastically different but I imagine some small details here and there will change and we'll get a better product.

 

I also think that rendering does the building absolutely nothing good. It looks like a very quick sketchup model inserted into a photo which is a good way of quick visualization but the limitations of that program generally make even good looking buildings look bad. I have a feeling the final product will be a decent building even though it's unlikely it'll be quite as bold as some of the other AC hotels out there."

 

Based on the rendering/drawing and their comment about it being inspired by their Spanish hotels, I'm feeling we'll get a product similar in materiality and style to this building.

 

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Which will definitely be polarizing, but will offer a unique architectural product for The Banks. Pretty minimal and grey. If it looks similar to this I think I'll be pleased with the end result.

 

Yuck, It looks like a hospital. That is a place I would go to have an operation or die as opposed to stay a night.  I like the original design much better.

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Yuck, It looks like a hospital.

 

Well those metal panels do give it the same "morning sweats" as the blue and white Mercy Health building at I-71 and Edwards.  Bring on the grimy streaks and need for full-wall "window washing" that these buildings with no drip edges or overhangs develop after just a few months.  Anyone notice how dirty Morgens Hall at UC is already?

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See, polarizing.

 

And to me that looks like the basic massing and functional aspects of a hotel reduced to their most basic form. And I like that. Nothing frilly or ornamental in any way. Which we need in this city. Too much new architecture is concerned with featuring elements from "historic" or "old" architecture which makes no sense for a neighborhood built in the 2010s elevated on top of a parking garage next to one of the most modern parks in the country. We need more modern architecture here. Throughout history Cincinnati had prime examples of what was most modern at the time (Roebling Bridge, Carew, Terrace Plaza, the CAC, etc.) and we should embrace that progressive view of architectural design that makes up our history as a city.

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See, polarizing.

 

And to me that looks like the basic massing and functional aspects of a hotel reduced to their most basic form. And I like that. Nothing frilly or ornamental in any way. Which we need in this city. Too much new architecture is concerned with featuring elements from "historic" or "old" architecture which makes no sense for a neighborhood built in the 2010s elevated on top of a parking garage next to one of the most modern parks in the country. We need more modern architecture here. Throughout history Cincinnati had prime examples of what was most modern at the time (Roebling Bridge, Carew, Terrace Plaza, the CAC, etc.) and we should embrace that progressive view of architectural design that makes up our history as a city.

See, polarizing.

 

And to me that looks like the basic massing and functional aspects of a hotel reduced to their most basic form. And I like that. Nothing frilly or ornamental in any way. Which we need in this city. Too much new architecture is concerned with featuring elements from "historic" or "old" architecture which makes no sense for a neighborhood built in the 2010s elevated on top of a parking garage next to one of the most modern parks in the country. We need more modern architecture here. Throughout history Cincinnati had prime examples of what was most modern at the time (Roebling Bridge, Carew, Terrace Plaza, the CAC, etc.) and we should embrace that progressive view of architectural design that makes up our history as a city.

See, polarizing.

 

And to me that looks like the basic massing and functional aspects of a hotel reduced to their most basic form. And I like that. Nothing frilly or ornamental in any way. Which we need in this city. Too much new architecture is concerned with featuring elements from "historic" or "old" architecture which makes no sense for a neighborhood built in the 2010s elevated on top of a parking garage next to one of the most modern parks in the country. We need more modern architecture here. Throughout history Cincinnati had prime examples of what was most modern at the time (Roebling Bridge, Carew, Terrace Plaza, the CAC, etc.) and we should embrace that progressive view of architectural design that makes up our history as a city.

 

Ingalls Building

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What do you think

 

That's the kind of contemporary design Cincy needs more of.  I'm a touch worried that part of the problem the architects had is that they had to do a building that integrated into the rest of the banks - as a result that made the design of the hotel much lower quality.

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You know that Mercy Health building at Rookwood and 71? I heard a European contractor did that as a showcase of more European materials and design. I wonder if that group could do the AC? I don't know that you'd get a building similar to the ones in Spain without partnering with a company that actually does that kind of work?

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There are a lot of firms that do that kind of work here (or, at least are capable) but there isn't quite as much demand for it. But I could see a handful of local architects doing a project "European" in style and it turning out quite nicely. Senhauser comes to mind as someone who has an eye for the cleanliness of a lot of European design.

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Does anyone know if the floor currently being worked on at the GE building will be the top floor? It looks like the 11th story of the building, but it looks like there might be connections extending past the slabs being laid now, which would seem to indicate that more will be constructed above it, correct?

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Banks' AC Hotel designers make some tweaks for design panel

http://www.bizjournals.com/cincinnati/news/2015/05/20/banks-ac-hotel-designers-make-some-tweaks-for.html

Developer Winegardner & Hammons widened guest room windows so they are all 6 feet tall and 9 feet wide and added a 65 foot by 20 foot wall of windows above the hotel’s entrance, a 50 percent increase in the amount of glass, said Jeffrey Veigl, Winegardner’s director of architecture and design. Winegardner also added wrap-around glass balconies and wrap-around windows for the street-level retail spaces along with better signage for those businesses.

 

Here are the renderings before and after.

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Banks' AC Hotel designers make some tweaks for design panel

http://www.bizjournals.com/cincinnati/news/2015/05/20/banks-ac-hotel-designers-make-some-tweaks-for.html

Developer Winegardner & Hammons widened guest room windows so they are all 6 feet tall and 9 feet wide and added a 65 foot by 20 foot wall of windows above the hotel’s entrance, a 50 percent increase in the amount of glass, said Jeffrey Veigl, Winegardner’s director of architecture and design. Winegardner also added wrap-around glass balconies and wrap-around windows for the street-level retail spaces along with better signage for those businesses.

 

Here are the renderings before and after.

 

LOL, so they bleached it white? I'm not sure that will achieve the "edginess" the design board was looking for.

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Honestly I think it's really misaligned at this point to make statements like that. Not only is the quality of that rendering horrendous, AC has shown that they bring with them decent design sense. This will likely follow the same trend.

 

Not only that, but Phase II is a significant improvement over Phase I. Not amazing, but not awful like Phase I was.

 

The Banks aren't architectural masterpieces, but everything that has been proposed/built since Phase I has been an improvement.

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I hadn't noticed until today that the banks phase 2 and GE are connected on the first and second floors. any idea what that's about, and what (if anything) will do on the open air third floor space?

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It will improve the consistency of the street level facade. The original plan was to build the apartments & a two story structure that covered the entire block with the office area ready for a user to be added on top (therefore preventing the giant gap phase 1 has. That wasn't needed as GE was eventually found before construction even began, still, it will be nice to have a consistent ground level

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Better street level, still ugly. But AC is supposed to be a cheap brand, so that's probably as good as it's gonna get.

 

AC is not a cheap brand.  It is a more reasonable price point, but still stylish. Very much like aloft hotels.

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Better street level, still ugly. But AC is supposed to be a cheap brand, so that's probably as good as it's gonna get.

 

AC is not a cheap brand.  It is a more reasonable price point, but still stylish. Very much like aloft hotels.

 

I agree with you that it's not cheap like a Motel 6. But Marriott itself does not classify this brand as full-service, like for instance their W brand that was pursued for this site previously.

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Better street level, still ugly. But AC is supposed to be a cheap brand, so that's probably as good as it's gonna get.

 

AC is not a cheap brand.  It is a more reasonable price point, but still stylish. Very much like aloft hotels.

 

I agree with you that it's not cheap like a Motel 6. But Marriott itself does not classify this brand as full-service, like for instance their W brand that was pursued for this site previously.

 

Not sure that it needs to be though. I actually like bringing in AC more than a full service hotel in that spot. The comparison to aloft is right on (although I do prefer the aloft brand).

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"Under the ideal scenario, Carter would be in a position to begin building the podium (at Lot 24, south of Freedom Way between Vine & Race) by January or February."

 

 

The Banks Steering Committee OKs third phase of development

Tatum Hunter - Cincinnati Business Courier

 

The Banks Steering Committee unanimously approved on Thursday the construction of a $29.3 million public parking garage as part of the mixed-use development project’s third phase.

 

The structure will contain 690 parking spaces and be located on the lot directly south of General Electric's U.S. Global Operations Center and a new apartment complex currently under construction.

 

Tax increment finance bonds from phases I and II of development will cover $22 million of the cost. The remaining $7 million comes from the state of Ohio.

 

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Will next Banks phase include condos?

Bowdeya Tweh, btweh@enquirer.com

 

It will take $29.3 million to build a garage and make other improvements to support the next phase of development at The Banks, officials overseeing progress at the riverfront site said Thursday.

 

But exactly what will go atop the garage in Phase IIIA remains unclear, including whether it will feature retail and what could be the 18-acre project's first condominiums.

 

Building a 690-space, two-level garage and completing utility improvements could yield 400,000 square feet of development on land called "Lot 24." The lot is located due south of buildings under construction for General Electric Co.'s offices, 291 one- and two-bedroom apartments and 19,000 square feet of retail space.

 

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Great news, it seems the Banks is really starting to generate a lot of momentum.  Even just adding a bunch of apartments on that pad with retail on the bottom, maybe a floor or two of office space, etc., would work well there.

 

Does anyone know of a rendering of how this will play out with the Race Street Extension and the pad?  Will there be another pad directly south of this one for development, like where Moerlein Lager House is now?  Will it be a mirror image of the Eastern side?

 

Also I remember one of you saying that Race Street will end in a cul-de-sac?  Will there be pedestrian steps and fountains like on the other side?

 

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There will eventually be another pad south of this one but it sounds like that lot (lot 23) will come later on. That spot has been shown at various points to house a lawn (similar to Schmidlap) with an out building like Moerlein but also at various points has been shown to be home to another full-block building. So I'm not sure there's a full plan yet but I think most renderings lead towards a performance lawn of some sort.

 

As for Race ending in a cul-de-sac, all recent plans show that being the case. This will lead into a pedestrian path of some sort that will lead to the southernmost edge of the upper tier and will connect to a stair at the corner of Mehring Way and Elm across from the bottom of Paul Brown Stadium.

 

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I believe this is the most recent version of the park plan.

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Honestly I think it's really misaligned at this point to make statements like that. Not only is the quality of that rendering horrendous, AC has shown that they bring with them decent design sense. This will likely follow the same trend.

 

Not only that, but Phase II is a significant improvement over Phase I. Not amazing, but not awful like Phase I was.

 

The Banks aren't architectural masterpieces, but everything that has been proposed/built since Phase I has been an improvement.

 

If you're okay with that hotel than fine but I'm pretty skeptical of it being any better than phase 1 based on those renderings, and the fact that the redesign was essentially just squishing the original concept a little bit makes me feel like this is another situation of the developers or architects just kind of laughing at the desires of the review boards. Just gotta say that all of that puts a bad taste in my mouth. It's that way with most of the development I see around here, and these boards seem to be easier to appease with this garbage. Sorry but I'm keeping my principals, and the more profit driven garbage that goes on down there, no matter how big or shiny, I find it difficult to support.

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Honestly I think it's really misaligned at this point to make statements like that. Not only is the quality of that rendering horrendous, AC has shown that they bring with them decent design sense. This will likely follow the same trend.

 

Not only that, but Phase II is a significant improvement over Phase I. Not amazing, but not awful like Phase I was.

 

The Banks aren't architectural masterpieces, but everything that has been proposed/built since Phase I has been an improvement.

 

If you're okay with that hotel than fine but I'm pretty skeptical of it being any better than phase 1 based on those renderings, and the fact that the redesign was essentially just squishing the original concept a little bit makes me feel like this is another situation of the developers or architects just kind of laughing at the desires of the review boards. Just gotta say that all of that puts a bad taste in my mouth. It's that way with most of the development I see around here, and these boards seem to be easier to appease with this garbage. Sorry but I'm keeping my principals, and the more profit driven garbage that goes on down there, no matter how big or shiny, I find it difficult to support.

 

You're misunderstanding me. It's misaligned because all we have a textureless, detailless sketchup rendering. No building looks good in that format. And it didn't get squished, those original renderings were stretched awkwardly.

 

AC Hotels build decent to great buildings. I had trouble finding a single example of a building that was just bad that was an AC. Some weren't as nice as others, but none were offensive like Phase I of The Banks.

 

Giving it time so we actually know what the building will look like is wise.

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That could be awesome business for the Bars down there.  If people want to go watch the game but not pay for the tickets, they can still booze on the streets and watch, assuming the Open Container District opens at this location which is kind of a no brainer.

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I hope they keep up with these LED boards down there.  I think it'll really activate the space.  Cincinnati's needs a tacky, fun, 24/7 mess of an enclave and The Banks prime location and awful architecture makes it the perfect candidate.  I've always kind of thought that Fountain Square would be that place, but it's really not large enough, has some beautiful buildings around it that would be a shame to cover, and is actually really nice as simply the city's living room.

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I forgot to post about that. Went to taste for first time this year and it was so packed and crowded. I really do feel the wide streets at the banks, and the performance spaces and lawns of smale would be way better.

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So could something bigger be built on the short section eventually?

 

They always planned on putting something shorter there so it wouldn't block the views of the people in The Banks apartments. Originally this was going to be townhomes, but that got scrapped in favor of making it part of the hotel.

 

Now we can all start speculating about when something will be built on the office tower pad at The Banks. I predict they will build a spec Class A office tower without a specific tenant in mind -- otherwise, they will lose the development rights. And, due to the recent incident, they know there is at least some possibility that they could be replaced by another developer.

 

Bowdeya Tweh of the Enquirer is reporting on Twitter that the developers plan to build a spec office building on the final unused space at Phase 1 of The Banks.

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So could something bigger be built on the short section eventually?

 

They always planned on putting something shorter there so it wouldn't block the views of the people in The Banks apartments. Originally this was going to be townhomes, but that got scrapped in favor of making it part of the hotel.

 

Now we can all start speculating about when something will be built on the office tower pad at The Banks. I predict they will build a spec Class A office tower without a specific tenant in mind -- otherwise, they will lose the development rights. And, due to the recent incident, they know there is at least some possibility that they could be replaced by another developer.

 

Bowdeya Tweh of the Enquirer is reporting on Twitter that the developers plan to build a spec office building on the final unused space at Phase 1 of The Banks.

 

Now he's saying that it depends on the lending markets and that they are still looking for anchor tenant.

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He is also reporting that Two Bits is expected to open in August. I find it amazing that this space will be under construction during the MLB All-Star game.


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