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Beauty treatment at UC

The ugly sisters are due for a face lift.

 

The University of Cincinnati has hired Messer Construction Co. to oversee the redevelopment of the Sawyer, Scioto and Morgens residence halls at the corner of Jefferson Ave. and Martin Luther King Drive. Early plans call for at least two of the buildings to be stripped to their skeletons, then rebuilt as "sustainable" properties that maximize energy efficiencies and give the northeastern edge of UC's campus a new architectural icon.

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It's from today's Business Courier.  I'm not sure I like the idea of UC demolishing another high-rise.  Why not renovate all three?  I know many people think they are ugly, but I don't.  Maybe I'm prejudiced because Scioto, the middle one, was my first residence in Cincinnati.  They do need updating since they are over 40 years old.  I wish they had done the same thing, i.e. renovate, update, with Sander Hall.  Demolition seems very wasteful to me.

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i worked for the firm who did the feasibility study on this project several years ago.  it has always been uc's intention to reduce the number of rooms in the complex.  from the start they wanted to either cut back to two towers or remove the top several floors of all three...i personally think the better option won out.

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It's from today's Business Courier. I'm not sure I like the idea of UC demolishing another high-rise. Why not renovate all three? I know many people think they are ugly, but I don't. Maybe I'm prejudiced because Scioto, the middle one, was my first residence in Cincinnati. They do need updating since they are over 40 years old. I wish they had done the same thing, i.e. renovate, update, with Sander Hall. Demolition seems very wasteful to me.

 

The school has wanted to unite its undergrad and medical campuses for some time now.  Plans have previously (and still do) call for a tunnel for the portion of MLK that run between those two parts of campus.  I don't see this as being very likely to occur, but I certainly see how demolishing Morgan hall and adding park space can help with the visual linking of the two campuses.  As it stands today, Morgan hall basically walls off the two campuses from each other. 

 

Furthermore, if you look at the spine that has been created in the area between the vontz center, university hall, and the marriot center hotel, you'll see that it lines up perfectly as an entry way to UCs undergrad campus, especially if Morgan hall is demolished and turned into parkspace.  I suspect that the nursing school building would be torn down to amplify this effect as well.

 

I have to agree with the university on this one.

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IMO, there is more than enough parkspace in and around campus.

 

Well, I don't think the aim of the school is to tear down the building JUST for park space.  Their idea is to broaden the view into the main campus as one looks in while traveling down MLK and also to try to form a pedestrian link between west and east campuses. 

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This isn't the best of photos to demonstrate my point with, but it'll do for now.  Yeah, I know, they just built a power plant that follows the same general pattern as the old dorms.  I'll take a photo to explain that one later.

 

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Here's a slightly more helpful picture.  With the nursing school eventually removed, and the first dorm out of the way, there'll be an unobstructed sightline between the two campuses.  That's the only reason I can see for demolishing.

 

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Thanks mohr37.  I can't say I like the looks of those beauts.  They look worse than the current buildings to me. $40 million for that, yikes!  The story says that the Scioto remake is scheduled to start in 2006.  I wonder what happens to poor Mr. Morgens when his building is demolished.  He was a P & G exec if I recall correctly and I think he may have been a trustee of the university.  Usually one contributes at least a million dollars to get one's name put on a building.  Oh well, a million down the drain.  That would really encourage me to give UC money.  At least they kept Mrs. Emery's name on the new Emery Hall.  On the other hand, they also erased the Schmidlapp name from Schmidlapp gym when they turned it into Dieterle.  All this demonstrates a cavalier attitude towards people who were generous to the university which I can't say I find attractive or ethical.

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someone then please explain why they are refered to as the "three sisters" if Morgens is in fact named after this gentleman.  is that a nickname that has just developed over the years or is cincinnatis on the wrong track?  there also seems to be an enormous amount of speculation in your claims...who's to say anybody gave anything to have their names put on these buildings?  even if they did it sure as heck is not a legitimate reason to impede progress.  i think people are pretty well aware of the fact that if you contribute money and have a buliding named after you...there is a pretty good chance that eventually it will be torn down.  but what do i know.  im from cincinnati so that makes everything about me stupid.

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    "The Three Sisters" is just a generic reference to three buildings in a row that look the same.

 

    I also find it interesting that universities name buildings after the people who donated money for them. When they replace the building, sometimes they forget the old name, and sometimes not. McMicken Hall replaced a previous McMicken Hall, for example. Sometimes the old name is remembered by a plaque, as "formerly the site of ..."

 

    People do silly things. I know of one building where the donor would only donate money if he got to choose the architect.

 

    Sometimes I wonder if universities are in the architecture business and education is just the sideshow.

 

 

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The latest plans are to begin the renovation of Sawyer Hall in Fall 2005.  This is scheduled to take 2 years and open in 2007.  Scioto Hall is schedule to start in Fall 2007.  I think you can expect a different product then the renderings that have been posted recently.  This project is very much in the design process, therefore no final renderings are available. 

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I don't mind the dorm renovation designs at all.  They look a bit like hotels to me. 

 

Here are some shots of part of the medical campus.  The nursing school is just asking to go.

 

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Here's the best view yet showing the nursing school and Morgan hall's obstructionist ways...

 

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Random shot

 

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Likewise, the view of the medical center (especially the vontz center) from the undergrad campus would be much improved.

 

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There would be unobstructed views of the marriot and university hall as well:

 

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In these shots, you can see how the nursing school gets in the way of the view on the right side.

 

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Here's a rendering of the MSB and the Eden Quadrangle from UC Horizons magazine:

 

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Eden Quadrangle is the name of a new open space designed by Hargreaves Associates to complement the expanded Medical Science Building. It will contain granite seat walls and steps, a water feature, a large plaza, an outdoor amphitheater, open lawn spaces and lots of trees. "This is going to be an incredible project," says Len Thomas of the University Architect's Office. "It will create a transformation to the streetscape along Sabin Way."

 

 

Here's the story...don't think it's been posted:

 

Campus construction

Medical Sciences Building, Center for Academic Research Excellence

Projected completion date: Phase I - late 2007

 

A dazzling new look -- and some of the most technically advanced laboratory and teaching space in the nation -- will welcome visitors to the University of Cincinnati's medical campus by the end of 2007. Comprehensive renovation is already under way inside the Medical Sciences Building, and its west face soon will be linked by a nine-story glass atrium to a new Center for Academic Research Excellence (CARE).

 

MSB's redesign involves updating research labs; improving educational, administrative and library spaces; and constructing the CARE addition: a 239,000-square-foot facility with six floors of state-of-the-art laboratories for use by graduate students, faculty and researchers. The laboratories will be highly flexible to allow easy adaptation to future science and technology uses.

 

Designers paid careful attention not only to high-tech qualities, but also to "humanistic elements" that nurture innovative thinking, scholarly collaboration and scientific discovery among researchers and students. Informal gathering spaces, such as breakout and study-group rooms, a fitness center, lounges, a bookstore, food-service area and the light-filled atrium are planned to stimulate exchange of ideas. The Health Sciences Library will also undergo a significant upgrade and adopt a new multi-level layout, with open stairways and vertical connections that promote interaction.

 

"Even as we look forward to its (MSB/CARE) completion, we know that we will rapidly outgrow the capacity it provides," says Medical Center provost Jane Henney. "We are now involved in our next phase of planning -- future place and space needs of the East Campus."

 

Architects: Studio Architecture of San Francisco with HarleyEllis, Cincinnati

(The design for MSB/CARE won the 2002 American Architecture Award, Chicago Athenaeum, Museum of Architecture and Design.)

 

Project cost, Phase I: $177 million.

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I like that the design breaks up the bulk of the building into interesting, mixed rectilinear/non rectilinear pieces.  It looks a little "harsh" to me, though.  Too much concrete, perhaps.

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I am not a deconstructivist fan, but if you are going to do it, do it at a Medical Sciences Builiding!  The proposal is intense!  Fascinating to see all this construction around the hospitals.  Is there a thread on the Corryville Development group that is building the housing across MLK from this?

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It's just amazing how much construction is going on there...I wonder what the total amount spent on construction around UC in this decade will end up at...

I recall a story from a month or so ago stating that the total dollars in hospital construction alone was $700 million.  With the other projects near UC, it's way over $1 billion.

 

Jimmy Skinner...if you're speaking of Stetson Square, there is a thread for that.  Just put Stetson Square in the search box up at the top of the page and it should come up.

 

 

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i don't know why the majority of UC design proposals still rely on the failed the failed tower-in-the-park model.  the waste of space and dismissal of walkability are a main reason why i've come to despise the concept of 'greenspace.'

 

every single piece of 'greenspace' in or around campus is desolate day and night.

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i don't know why the majority of UC design proposals still rely on the failed the failed tower-in-the-park model.  the waste of space and dismissal of walkability are a main reason why i've come to despise the concept of 'greenspace.'

 

every single piece of 'greenspace' in or around campus is desolate day and night.

 

I couldn't agree with you more.

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I think the renderings are a definite one up compared to what's currently there.  Maybe a bit too grey though.  Add some color and they'll fit in just fine.  Keep the glass elements in there too. 

 

I welcome the change and rather like the new look.  The current 1950's/1960's facades are hideous!

 

 

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Three year renovation plan in Sawyer Hall to cost $20 Million

 

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Sawyer Hall will be getting a complete renovation starting in the next few weeks. Both the interior and exterior of the building will be receiving a facelift.

 

James R. Tucker, vice president for Administrative and Business Services said in a 2003 progress report that Sawyer Hall will be updating to suite-style rooms, as opposed to the apartment-style rooms the building currently has in place.

 

In addition to the change in room design on the inside, construction crews will be applying a new exterior to Sawyer Hall as well.

 

Tucker also said in the progress report that the cost of renovating Sawyer Hall will be over $20 million dollars.

 

The plan calls for Sawyer Hall to be ready to house students again in 2008.

 

http://www.newsrecord.org/media/paper693/news/2005/10/06/News/Three.Year.Renovation.Plan.In.Sawyer.Hall.To.Cost.20.Million-1011162.shtml

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$39M Sawyer Hall renovation expected to last three years

By Thomas Demeropolis

 

The University of Cincinnati's campus is about to undergo

 

a $39 million facelift. Messer Construction Company is set to begin renovation of the Sawyer Hall residence hall in November.

 

http://www.newsrecord.org/media/paper693/news/2005/10/13/News/39m-Sawyer.Hall.Renovation.Expected.To.Last.Three.Years-1019058.shtml

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Just a note:  The three years comes from the gut/renovation of Scioto next to Sawyer which is expected to be done by 2008. 

 

Where did you get this info?  The article above says:

As far as the two other "Sisters", Morgans and Scioto, Magoteaux said, "Current plans are on hold regarding the other two halls."

 

Magoteaux also said that the future for other current residence hall, such as Calhoun and Siddall Halls, are uncertain for now as well.

 

I know originally the hall closest to MLK Drive was to be torn down, with the other two being renovated.  Do you have an inside source?

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From the 2/15/06 UC News Record:

 

 

Demolition set: Sawyer Hall is coming down

By: Thomas Demeropolis

Issue date: 2/15/06 Section: News

 

Sawyer Hall, a campus residence hall at the University of Cincinnati for over 40 years, is coming down.

 

Originally planned as a renovation project, the hall will now be demolished and turned into a green space by the end of the year, according to UC Spokesman Greg Hand.

 

http://www.newsrecord.org/media/paper693/news/2006/02/15/News/Demolition.Set.Sawyer.Hall.Is.Coming.Down-1613281.shtml?norewrite&sourcedomain=www.newsrecord.org

 

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I'm not so sure i like this......the renderings of the two renovated dorms looked great!  Now they plan to replace one of the remodeled dorms with 'greenspace'.  The university wants to expand the student housing stock but yet they are tearing down a large dorm bldg. and replacing it with 'greenspace'.  Hopefully the university has a plan for the extended future of this part of campus.  If not then they are squandering one of the last remaining areas left to build on campus.

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Strange, it does not mention the fate of the other two dorms.  The original plan was to tear down the one closest to MLK Blvd.  I wonder if they are now going to leave it and tear down only Sawyer?  These buildings were obviously all built at or around the same time, so it is not like one of them is more energy efficient than the other.

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I have been wondering why more floors were coming down lately.  The funny thing is, this year there was a housing shortage and students within 50 miles were put on a waiting list until all those outside the radius had housing.

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