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3 hours ago, jmecklenborg said:

Love how it quotes just a quarter mile away from $650000 new builds in Oakley. For sure makes me want to spend that money if I know that I’ll be kinda sorta maybe close to some nice houses. 

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1 hour ago, msred513 said:

Fencing has been placed around the U. S. Playing Card Co. property, so it looks like demolition will begin soon.

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Is the main building staying? I know that there’s a developer wanting to redevelop that site. Is it for that or was the demolition going to happen before the developer came into play?

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7 minutes ago, Ucgrad2015 said:

Is the main building staying? I know that there’s a developer wanting to redevelop that site. Is it for that or was the demolition going to happen before the developer came into play?

 

I believe that's the goal of the property management firm that bought it, to save what they could. PLK Communities spoke to Norwood city council a while back about their plans for the site. I think the demo was only planned once the property was sold to them.

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Logistic company CEO, wife to redevelop Norwood building into event center, office space

 

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A husband and wife duo are redeveloping a building in Norwood into an event center and class A office space.

 

More below:

https://www.bizjournals.com/cincinnati/news/2020/04/06/exclusive-logistic-company-ceo-wife-to-redevelop.html

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On 4/6/2020 at 2:55 PM, ColDayMan said:

Logistic company CEO, wife to redevelop Norwood building into event center, office space

 

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A husband and wife duo are redeveloping a building in Norwood into an event center and class A office space.

 

More below:

https://www.bizjournals.com/cincinnati/news/2020/04/06/exclusive-logistic-company-ceo-wife-to-redevelop.html

Glad to see it’s being redeveloped. Downtown Norwood could have really been a nice dense area if it wasn’t for that horrible shopping center across the street. 

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2 minutes ago, Ucgrad2015 said:

Downtown Norwood could have really been was a nice dense area if it wasn’t for before they tore half of it down to build that horrible shopping center across the street. 

 

Fixed that for you.  

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8 minutes ago, jjakucyk said:

 

Fixed that for you.  

Thanks. Haven’t really seen any photos of old downtown Norwood. 

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Basically the east side of Montgomery Road used to be just like the west side until they went all urban renewal on it.  There was a relatively unbroken urban commercial corridor all the way from Dana Avenue up to Ross Avenue.  They reamed out everything on the east side of the street in the 1970s to build Surrey Square and widen Montgomery Road, which also demolished numerous buildings north of Sherman Avenue (which didn't originally exist east of Montgomery).  They basically went all-in on the suburban development pattern and haven't looked back since, unfortunately.  

 

This is what Montgomery at Smith and Norwood Avenue looked like in the 1940s:  http://www.jjakucyk.com/transit/streetcars-evanston/slides/0010_13118903_1164142883605049_2965232649975106518_n.html

 

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And the same location today:  https://goo.gl/maps/7Przc4g2pC9jY6xM6 

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On 4/10/2020 at 10:14 AM, jjakucyk said:

Basically the east side of Montgomery Road used to be just like the west side until they went all urban renewal on it.  There was a relatively unbroken urban commercial corridor all the way from Dana Avenue up to Ross Avenue.  They reamed out everything on the east side of the street in the 1970s to build Surrey Square and widen Montgomery Road, which also demolished numerous buildings north of Sherman Avenue (which didn't originally exist east of Montgomery).  They basically went all-in on the suburban development pattern and haven't looked back since, unfortunately.  

 

This is what Montgomery at Smith and Norwood Avenue looked like in the 1940s:  http://www.jjakucyk.com/transit/streetcars-evanston/slides/0010_13118903_1164142883605049_2965232649975106518_n.html

 

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And the same location today:  https://goo.gl/maps/7Przc4g2pC9jY6xM6 

 

Clearly Norwood has a great location and I remember something about "location" from my real estate classes.  Hopefully people like Pete Ventura and Peter Klekamp of PLK can get this town back on the right track.  Kroger is going to need to build its distribution network after the C-19 crisis and Surrey Square has great access to Norwood Lateral, I-71 and I-75 (with a few modifications to entry & exit ramps).

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Just now, thesenator said:

 

Clearly Norwood has a great location and I remember something about "location" from my real estate classes.  Hopefully people like Pete Ventura and Peter Klekamp of PLK can get this town back on the right track.  Kroger is going to need to build its distribution network after the C-19 crisis and Surrey Square has great access to Norwood Lateral, I-71 and I-75 (with a few modifications to entry & exit ramps).

 

Maybe all Norwood needs is more Peters.

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7 hours ago, thesenator said:

 

Clearly Norwood has a great location and I remember something about "location" from my real estate classes.  Hopefully people like Pete Ventura and Peter Klekamp of PLK can get this town back on the right track.  Kroger is going to need to build its distribution network after the C-19 crisis and Surrey Square has great access to Norwood Lateral, I-71 and I-75 (with a few modifications to entry & exit ramps).

 

I didn't dare put this in writing but I believe one of the reasons why the rapid transit loop was scuttled was because Norwood was seen as a very serious rival to DT Cincinnati.  Much of the motivation for the rapid transit loop was to depopulate the West End and turn over that area to industrial uses.  It was envisioned that Norwood and points north would become a replacement residential area for what was demolished in the old city. 

 

But by the 1920s it was clear that the Cincinnati metro area was going to grow vastly toward the north along the Mill Creek flood plain to Butler County.  In fact, I'd bet that some people foresaw a continuous city all the way from Norwood to Hamilton - what essentially exists today, except the scale of sprawl in all directions is far beyond what that same visionary could have imagined back then.  A DT Norwood would be much closer to those future districts than DT Cincinnati.  No, the county courthouse wouldn't move - but there would be new office buildings, department stores, etc.  It's only because of the Depression followed by WWII followed by the construction  of I-75 - which was not routed directly through Norwood - that this didn't come to pass. 

 

 

 

 

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Oh give me a break.  Norwood?  A rival to downtown?  By the 1920s it had already been mostly built-up with homes and industries.  Nothing made it look at all like any sort of potential new commercial node.  I don't even think such things even happened in that time period.  This was when zoning and master plans were being developed to limit development and redevelopment, not enable them.   

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How social media helped shape plans for former U.S. Playing Card site

 

PLK Communities has big plans for the former U.S. Playing Card site in Norwood, but the coronavirus outbreak and efforts to stem its spread have made the company think outside the box when it comes to development.

 

More below:

https://www.bizjournals.com/cincinnati/news/2020/05/21/how-the-developer-of-former-us-playing-car-site.html

 

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They're not taking any prisoners with this one.  I'm surprised they're stripping even the original building down so much.  Woof. 

 

 

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15 hours ago, jjakucyk said:

They're not taking any prisoners with this one.  I'm surprised they're stripping even the original building down so much.  Woof. 

 

 

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I’m told that hazardous materials were quite pervasive due to the age of the building and it’s manufacturing uses.  If so, trying to specifically abate is not financially feasible.  Fortunately they are saving the iconic clock tower and, I believe, the smokestack.

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^Common cop-out. That’s why you leverage brownfield funding.
 

I can’t imagine the dirtiest part of playing card manufacturing is that significant relative to many other manufacturing uses, and that the dirtiest part was even in that front section.  

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The grease to keep the machines lubed was probably worse than the plant based inks and paste that Bicycle uses. 
 

Actually, the dirtiest part was probably the sheet stripping and punching machines. They used internal combustion engines until they were retrofitted for electric motors when the plant moved to Erlanger. 


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I bet the people at U.S. Playing Card could teach the people who make Magic cards a thing or two about not being a Two-Sigma industry.

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