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24 minutes ago, mrclifton88 said:

I was never a fan of the design of this low-rise hodge-podge neighborhood- though obviously glad for the increased population and the removal of parking lots.  Recently though, I discovered that when you drive East 13th Street going north, and you see the Masthead building on the left and then see the new urban fabric rising eastward: its really jarring!  It's amazing what three or four stories can do. Before it felt like downtown just dropped off at 13th- now there is a completely different feeling.

I think that if Superior got a serious road diet the scale would look even better. 

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8 hours ago, roman totale XVII said:

^ I was the same. My initial reaction to these developments was ‘Meh. Why can’t they build something taller?’, but as you say, their impact is completely changing that part of town. 

I'll never understand fascination with Height versus occupancy and vibrancy.

 

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On 10/28/2019 at 1:05 PM, freefourur said:

I think that if Superior got a serious road diet the scale would look even better. 

 

Remember that the first leg of the Bike Midway would extend 2.5 miles along the middle of Superior Avenue from Public Square to East 55th Street. It’s also is set for construction starting next year and is a collaboration between Cleveland and the NOACA, according to our report from 2017.

 

From Cleveland.com:

 

https://www.cleveland.com/metro/2019/04/cuyahoga-greenways-imagines-network-of-bike-paths-trails-bike-friendly-streets-across-the-county.html

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Pricing and floor plans are up on the website.  Some of units are set up very nicely.  Also, pricing is great for what you get.  1500 sq ft units for 370-400k is very reasonably priced, especially for a brand new build. 

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Merry Christmas UO fam. Just strolled by this. We’ve got another project going live. This is the Geis project next to the tower. 

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3 minutes ago, marty15 said:

Merry Christmas UO fam. Just strolled by this. We’ve got another project going live. This is the Geis project next to the tower. 

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12th and ave condos?

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Also looks like something is being done to the street-level facade facing St. Clair.

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1 hour ago, KJP said:

Also looks like something is being done to the street-level facade facing St. Clair.

Amenity level being added in the storefront.

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1 hour ago, Terdolph said:

This is a really handsome building.  I hope that the rest of the block is completed soon, as well as the parking lot across the street.

That parking lot across the street will be the main missing tooth from Euclid to Lakeside, once this is finished. Hopefully that makes it more attractive to developers. 

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21 minutes ago, Jenny said:

I should probably know this jsut from looking at the picture, but is this development going along St. Clair or E 12th?

East 12th,  There are renderings up thread.

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Looking forward to seeing E.12 side being built. Hoping it sells fast so then st. clair side can be built

plus the Geis Sphaghetti House site for sale condo's get off the ground.

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A bit later than I expected but construction permits were filed today for the 12th and Ave Condos!

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I'm anxious to see how fast these things move once the condos are publicly listed and marketed. So is Geis, I hear.

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15 minutes ago, MyPhoneDead said:

Fall 2020? That's pretty quick lol. Is that a typo?

 

No. That's what Geis is hoping for. But developers are ever-optimistic about their projects!

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26 minutes ago, MyPhoneDead said:

Fall 2020? That's pretty quick lol. Is that a typo?

The foundation and utilities were already in place from back when the original tower and garage were built. 

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On 1/29/2020 at 3:36 AM, MyPhoneDead said:

Street view photo of the townhome development.

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Walking by this today, every one of those western facing doors had a blue "Sold" sticker on it.

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I’ve said it before but it’s amazing what a difference even a three story building makes in this location. Hopefully it spurs more density (and a little more height where appropriate) along with a diet on Superior with the bikeway. 

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25 minutes ago, mrclifton88 said:

I’ve said it before but it’s amazing what a difference even a three story building makes in this location. Hopefully it spurs more density (and a little more height where appropriate) along with a diet on Superior with the bikeway. 

 

I visited Houston for the first time last April to see my brother and his wife. They live in the Midtown area of Houston right outside of Downtown. It was such a cool neighborhood, and I couldn't help but hope this is what Midtown Cleveland could become. 

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Sorry, I have to rewrite the article. 

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@KJP I have always been a bit in the dark regarding this five year term for Geis to develop the Spag House lot due to the demolition.  What is the penalty if they do not?

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I don't know. 

 

EDIT: Geis has already submitted to the city plans and renderings for the East 9th/Bolivar site. So perhaps that might suffice.

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2 hours ago, KJP said:

I don't know. 

 

EDIT: Geis has already submitted to the city plans and renderings for the East 9th/Bolivar site. So perhaps that might suffice.

Does anyone have copies of the initial 9th & Bolivar renderings to post?

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2 hours ago, KJP said:

I don't know. 

 

EDIT: Geis has already submitted to the city plans and renderings for the East 9th/Bolivar site. So perhaps that might suffice.


was this recently? Or back when you first started reporting on this project 

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Cross-posted in the Cleveland Random Developments thread....

 

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SUNDAY, FEBRUARY 23, 2020

Building for-sale housing in downtown Cleveland is a test

 

Developers are facing tests and building tests as they try to address the long-standing lack of for-sale housing in downtown Cleveland. To address that shortcoming in this local and national market, developers and investors have endured a test of wills and finances.

So, in turn, it has required them to create their own kind of test -- like a toe in the water. Those tests have begun and could soon reap some intriguing results, including more for-sale housing projects.

The lack of for-sale options in multi-family developments built since the Great Recession is a national situation. The reason why downtown Cleveland has such a small for-sale housing inventory is because downtown Cleveland had a small overall housing inventory to begin with, and it's still playing catch-up to national averages among big cities, studies and industry experts say.

 

MORE:

https://neo-trans.blogspot.com/2020/02/building-for-sale-housing-in-downtown.html

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I’m not sure what it is but I really like the look of those new units in the rendering on Superior vs. the rest of the Avenue District designs. They seem more substantial. 

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On 2/25/2020 at 12:09 PM, surfohio said:

^ Best line from the article:

 

Zimmerman, through an affiliate company Jobu Needs A Refill LLC......

 

 

YAAARRRR!

 

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1 hour ago, sky said:

How is Knez doing with sales?

 

Nine of the 12 units in the first phase have sold. But it's been shown that way for a while. So either Knez hasn't updated its Avenue page (https://knez.net/the-avenue/) or sales have stalled. I don't see any listings for the second phase yet.

 

I'm even more curious about how Geis is doing with sales, although both developers said their next projects may depend on these existing projects.

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44 minutes ago, KJP said:

 

Nine of the 12 units in the first phase have sold. But it's been shown that way for a while. So either Knez hasn't updated its Avenue page (https://knez.net/the-avenue/) or sales have stalled. I don't see any listings for the second phase yet.

 

I'm even more curious about how Geis is doing with sales, although both developers said their next projects may depend on these existing projects.

The economy has just had a huge shock, even if (and I think it will ) get better, it may take some time to get back on track.

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8 minutes ago, Growth Mindset said:

The economy has just had a huge shock, even if (and I think it will ) get better, it may take some time to get back on track.

 

My residential realtor friends say they are very busy.

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5 hours ago, KJP said:

 

My residential realtor friends say they are very busy.

Really think it depends how long this lasts. Lot of ppl laid off right now, but if things reopen in a month, we probably rebound quickly.

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