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definitely...overlooking Jacobs field and the Gund...at the foot of the Gateway District, East 4th and Euclid Corridor...the views would be relatively unimpeded, since the immediate surroundings are in the 4-6 story range, and the convenience factor would be VERY high.  A high profile address, amidst high profile surroundings...let's build it!  it's one of the only gaps left in that very dense, bustling area.

 

Of course, I'd be happy if it were a 12 story structure too...you'd hear no complaining outta me!

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I agree X, I thought there wouldbe more tenants announced by now, and it doesn't seem like they've started any construction on the Gameworks or Lola yet, does anyone know if those projects are still a go?  I wonder what else would be a good fit for the area.  It seems like an ESPNZone would fit in perfectly with the entertainment type venues they've already attracted.  East 4th seems to me like its becoming a tourist destination (with the ballpark, arena, comedy club, concert hall, and upcoming version of Chuck E. Cheese for adults), albeit one that can be utilized and enjoyed by downtown residents as well.

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hmmm...didn't know about the gameworks...I was hoping for more cafe/outdoor seating style stuff and some boutique shops...but I'm just one guy and I don't even live there yet!  It would be nice to have some uses that would enliven the street during the day, cause right now, it's dead...

 

but that's another thread!

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Right now, East 4th is quite bipolar.  There are the flashy Pickwick & Frolic and House of Blues.  Then there is all the boarded up storefronts.  Additionally, we have all this stringed lighting and phoenix statutes.  Its neat and embarrassing at the same time.

 

 

Hey, does anyone like those light poles or the phoenix?  I think that street would look a lot nicer without those elements.  The phoenix is over the top and admits a little too much of the near past.  The light poles are just plain ugly.  I would prefer some more traditional 19th century stuff.

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I like them.  I like the idea of adding modern, 21st century elements to a 19th and 20th century neighborhood.  I think the best way to honor our city's history is to preserve what we have and to add our own to it, instead of wiping it out and starting over, or at the other extreme, endlessly replicating it.

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I like modern stuff too, but only if it is done well.  In my opinion, it is not good design.  (but, no one has ever paid me for my design abilities.)

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i dont like the phoenix things (tacky), but i do like the light poles.  it just needs to be kept simple if they're gonna do stuff like that.  also i think they need some trees there. 

 

i did see signs towards prospect where they say two new tenents will be moving in as well (a cafe and something else).  and im assming Lola's is going where that Wendy's was?

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No, Lola will be on East 4th, just south of the HOB restaurant, and north of Flannerys Pub.

 

I personally think the 'phoenix' sculptres are good in theory but could have been executed much better. I also like the light poles - they add the festive touch that the street will need when the tenant mix fills in.

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Some tech company is moving from East 25th into the Sincere Building (per Crains).  I am curious as to which floor they will occupy. I kind of hope that it will be the first floor, but it could be the second.  They are bringing 12 employees. 

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I'd rather have tech companies on upstairs floors.  Leave the first floor for retail and restaurants and things that generate pedestrian activity.

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A press conference will be held tomorrow (9-13) at 11:30 a.m., at the northeast corner of East 12th and St. Clair. I assume this Zaremba's "The Avenue" development, but is it? The location is right. But what is this "special out-of-town guest"? The press release appears below....  KJP

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Mayor Campbell to join area developer in announcing $200+ million downtown development project

 

Development seen as a boost to downtown for-sale residential housing opportunities, retail/commercial growth, and continued downtown revitalization

 

Cleveland - Sept. 12 - Mayor Jane L. Campbell will join a prominent area developers and a special out-of-town guest in announcing a $200+ million development slated to reinvigorate the heart of downtown Cleveland.


"Those who can make you believe absurdities, can make you commit atrocities."-Voltaire

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KJP,

 

Where did that come from?  Seems like it would have to be the Avenue project, but I hope its not.  Is the Avenue going to cost that much?  Why the out of town guest?

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Is anyone attending? I'd love to hear what goes down in the conference and I hope they have renderings on display - and that someone gets some pics of them!!!!! Yay!

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Sorry to be a skeptic, but it sounds like mayoral re-election stuff. I hope I'm wrong.

 

KJP


"Those who can make you believe absurdities, can make you commit atrocities."-Voltaire

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^What's the big deal whether it's mayoral campaigning? So many uninformed people (not you, KJP) think that absolutely nothing is getting built in Cleveland - and that includes residents of the city. That perception has plagued Campbell during her entire term, and what better way to dispel it? She'd be foolish NOT to make an appearance and try to get an image boost.

 

I'll be there, with camera in tow. :-)

 

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My point is that I suspect nothing new will be announced. That's all the media cares about. If it's just going to be some palm-pressing and grinning for cameras to remind viewers and readers that this project began on Campbell's watch, then that's not worth news coverage. But if there's something of substance that's not been reported before, then it will be worth an article or a broadcasted segment. That's what I've been trained (brainwashed) to be wary of since I began working at the paragraph factory 11 years ago.

 

KJP


"Those who can make you believe absurdities, can make you commit atrocities."-Voltaire

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I'll try to be down there at 11:30...I've been down here so much lately and would love to see the plans! 

 

And from this newly returned Clevelander, MayDay's frustration is justified... I've seen so much progress in many many corners of this city, from the Homeownership Zone and significant neighboring low-income developments in Central, to market rate infill townhouse developments in Ohio City and Detroit Shoreway...things are happening here.  I guess it's just less noticeable if you're zipping in on a freeway and zipping back out without taking time to appreciate our city's neighborhoods.  (this isn't a cut on anyone, just a little rant for those eternally pessimistic Clevelanders!)

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The special out-of-town visitor will be Chicago Mayor Richard M. Daley. And, yes, this will be about The Avenue project, as Nathan Zaremba is the major developer referred to in yesterday's press release. Also joining the show will be Ward 13 Councilman Joe Cimperman.

 

Time and location are unchanged from yesterday's press release. I'll be interested to hear what comes out of all this.

 

KJP


"Those who can make you believe absurdities, can make you commit atrocities."-Voltaire

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I think that Cleveland needs to better publicize its strengths and good news.  More than any other city that I have lived in, Cleveland beats itself to death.

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I know that he is coming in town to give a speech on something.  It is a $50 per seat event. Not sure what relevance he has in regards to this project.  It is probably just to make Campbell look good.

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I'll let MayDay do the honors in posting images (there wasn't anything new), but I'll give my response real quickly to the conference...

 

There really weren't any surprises today, but the bottom line is that a contract has been signed between the city and Zaremba for the $200m development.  Ground will be broken next year on the north side of St. Clair and E. 12th and the northeast corner of 13th and Superior.  The south side of E. 12th and St. Clair will follow.  I'm assuming that they'll use the lot there as a staging ground for construction over the next couple years.  Marketing begins today and you can go to the Zaremba website to sound off.

 

Prices will range from $150k to the moon and the average price point will be around $300k-$350k.  The buildings will include green space, structured parking and sidewalk retail.  Streetscape improvements and several actual new streets will be added

 

Daley's role in this whole thing (as far as I could tell) was to talk about the necessity of such projects for viable downtowns and to give Campbell a pat on the back.  I guess they go way back or something...

 

He was in town for the Deal Maker's Forum... a real estate industry suaree... and probably just to get out of Chicago for a minute and escape all the haters on Lake Michigan!

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Fantastic news. Let's just be careful not to allow more Stonebridge-style shoddy construction by keeping a close eye on any design plans that surface and holding Zaremba and the mayor accountable...

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When you say something like shoddy construction about a specific project, let's have examples. It's also potentially libelous so keep that in mind.

 

I know several condo owners at Stonebridge - most have had a pleasant experience, and only a few have had issues with their unit. They were quick to say that the K&D Group have addressed said issues and are now pleased with their new homes.

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I'll try to be down there at 11:30...I've been down here so much lately and would love to see the plans! 

 

And from this newly returned Clevelander, MayDay's frustration is justified... I've seen so much progress in many many corners of this city, from the Homeownership Zone and significant neighboring low-income developments in Central, to market rate infill townhouse developments in Ohio City and Detroit Shoreway...things are happening here.  I guess it's just less noticeable if you're zipping in on a freeway and zipping back out without taking time to appreciate our city's neighborhoods. (this isn't a cut on anyone, just a little rant for those eternally pessimistic Clevelanders!)

 

I couldn't have said this better myself!

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one sad thing said in this conference was that it would take 6 years to complete phase I, II and III, with ground being broken sometime in '06 for phase I and II.  Hopefully some of the units will come online in phases, but it still seems like a long time - until 2012 to have this project completed, when the development sites are already parking lots - as close to greenfield as you'll get downtown. 

 

i wonder if the financing isn't really there and it is sort of build as they are sold sort of situation - another reason for the kickoff marketing launch. 

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Downtown development unveiled

 

 

Photo credit: Courtesy of Zaremba Inc. 

 

 

By BRANDON GLENN

 

3:06 pm, September 13, 2005

 

 

 

Cleveland Mayor Jane Campbell and Nathan Zaremba, president of property developer, Zaremba Inc., formally announced plans for a long-delayed $200 million residential project in downtown Cleveland.

 

The project would feature more than 400 for-sale residential units, retail space, structured parking, new streets, sidewalks and green space. It will be built on three city-owned parking lots that sit between East 12th and East 13th streets from St. Clair Avenue to Superior Avenue.

 

More at cleveland.com http://www.cleveland.com

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Tell Zaremba in their feedback section that you'd like to see Rapid transit access or maybe a streetcar!

 

KJP


"Those who can make you believe absurdities, can make you commit atrocities."-Voltaire

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Here are a few shots from my visit to the site today:

 

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The concrete/granite on the sidewalk are part of the Superior Avenue improvements that fall under the "Euclid Corridor" project heading.  They were being installed at the corners of the blocks surrounding the site...

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I sent his note on the web site:

 

I am a frequent visitor to Toronto, including the winter. When there in the colder weather I make use of the PATH an underground area that connects most of the downtown, from the Eaton Centre to the train station. A new one is being develop along Bloor and Yong St. I am hoping that something along these lines will will be included  in the Avenue District. There are a lot of office buildings that could be connected from Erieview, One Cleveland Center, SBC, Eton and the Shamrock building. I know it might require the moving of a lot of utilities, electrical, gas, steam and phone lines, but it might just be worth it. Thank you for allowing me to express my oppinion. Jim S.

 

 

PS: Hopefully the idea will extend to Playhouse Square as well.

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Looking at the copy on their website, it's immediately obvious that they are selling themsleves as a more peaceful, quiet alternative to what is (will become) the more bustling and I guess noisy areas in the Warehouse District and the flats.  On the front page of the site you get the the word "quiet" three times, "tranquility" once and the phrase "no need to drown in...socially upbeat bedlam."

 

I think it's a good thing.  I think it's good for these little pockets to have their own identities; give buyers and renters options.  You'll hear a lot, and it is true, that downtown living isn't for everybody.  But with projects like this we can make it more attractive to more people.

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