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26 minutes ago, WindyBuckeye said:

See Franklin Circle, Hingetown Area, RTA land, and more coming. May not be your perfect development, but there are are mixed used areas being built. It would be nice to have for sale condos and hope to happen soon. This park will be a gamechanger for connecting Ohio city to the river front and improve the neighborhood massively. I believe I saw a prospective hotel was being proposed by Bookhouse Brewing but was working on finalizing financing as well.

Ha poison ok.

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1 hour ago, MyTwoSense said:

This is lovely, but I wish there was a condo, hotel, loft mixed use development with downtown views here instead.  I think this will be wonderful green space and unite the west bank and ohio city with many recreational needs.  Lets hope the programming is right.

In theory it would be great for a nice development there...

 

BUT the hill is too unstable to build on and to help get the millions of dollars just to reengineer the hillside it's requiring several non-profits and government agencies to help complete the project! 

 

Not to mention the millions required afterwards to do the park.

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I believe that a redo of West 25 Street is part of the long term plan to save the hill, create the park, and add bike lanes and to narrow the roadway too. 

 

And in the future to add more components to the MetroHealth RTA BRT Line along West 25 Street.

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1 hour ago, MyTwoSense said:

Not sure where across the street a development, like I described, can rise with unobstructed downtown views.

 

Anyway....thats not happening, but I hope this green space turns into a popular neighborhood gathering spot that social media ready!

 

The huge Lutheran Hospital parking lot. Developers are salivating over it. Stakeholders are trying to find a way to pay for a big parking deck to scoop up all those surface lot spaces north of the hospital and put them south of the hospital. How about a publicly financed parking deck, perhaps combined with some sort of ground-floor public use facilities like a job training center, a new location for the McCafferty Health Center, a business incubator or something else.?

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So was anyone here at the church meeting last evening devoted to the plans for Franklin Circle?  Anything of special interest to report?

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7 hours ago, KJP said:

 

The huge Lutheran Hospital parking lot. Developers are salivating over it. Stakeholders are trying to find a way to pay for a big parking deck to scoop up all those surface lot spaces north of the hospital and put them south of the hospital. How about a publicly financed parking deck, perhaps combined with some sort of ground-floor public use facilities like a job training center, a new location for the McCafferty Health Center, a business incubator or something else.?

I know I am a silly boy for even imagining this but you would think that there would be a department at the Clinic which is responsible for implementing such visions or something similar.  What KPG describes is really a no brainer and a win win for the hospital and neighborhood.  But I know I dream.  If the Foundation is completely uninterested in ancillary development around their man campus-as has been shown time and time again-they certainly are not going to put the time and energy into Ohio City.

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3 hours ago, lafont said:

So was anyone here at the church meeting last evening devoted to the plans for Franklin Circle?  Anything of special interest to report?

 

I was there.  The plans that had been emailed out were incorrect.  The end result of the project will be:

  • West 38th closed at fulton/lorain, simplifying this intersection
  • Removal of the right turn slip lane from fulton to lorain
  • Parking on both sides from bridge to franklin
  • New circle at franklin
  • 10' lanes and bike lanes ("buffered where possible") from franklin to detroit
  • All existing traffic signals, Stop signs, and crosswalks to remain

Concerns raised:

  • Back and forth on parking vs. bike lanes (residents disagree)
  • Lots of talk about safety at intersection of woodbine, city said they would look into it
  • Concerns about intersection of Carrol and fulton at front entrance to library - no crossing there and previous incidents
  • Trees  - no living trees will be removed, look to replace dead ones
  • Concerns about drainage on some specific section of road
  • Questions regarding landscaping in the middle of the circle
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5 minutes ago, RMB said:

 

I was there.  The plans that had been emailed out were incorrect.  The end result of the project will be:

  • West 38th closed at fulton/lorain, simplifying this intersection

 

More dumbification of the street network? And not mention a big F*&*& You to people who live 38 St. Is this a done deal or just a proposed idea?  And who came up with it?

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18 minutes ago, Pugu said:

 

More dumbification of the street network? And not mention a big F*&*& You to people who live 38 St. Is this a done deal or just a proposed idea?  And who came up with it?

 

25 minutes ago, RMB said:

 

I was there.  The plans that had been emailed out were incorrect.  The end result of the project will be:

  • West 38th closed at fulton/lorain, simplifying this intersection
  • Removal of the right turn slip lane from fulton to lorain
  • Parking on both sides from bridge to franklin
  • New circle at franklin
  • 10' lanes and bike lanes ("buffered where possible") from franklin to detroit
  • All existing traffic signals, Stop signs, and crosswalks to remain

Concerns raised:

  • Back and forth on parking vs. bike lanes (residents disagree)
  • Lots of talk about safety at intersection of woodbine, city said they would look into it
  • Concerns about intersection of Carrol and fulton at front entrance to library - no crossing there and previous incidents
  • Trees  - no living trees will be removed, look to replace dead ones
  • Concerns about drainage on some specific section of road
  • Questions regarding landscaping in the middle of the circle

Thanks very much, though I hope they don't close off W. 38th.

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2 hours ago, Htsguy said:

I know I am a silly boy for even imagining this but you would think that there would be a department at the Clinic which is responsible for implementing such visions or something similar.  What KPG describes is really a no brainer and a win win for the hospital and neighborhood.  But I know I dream.  If the Foundation is completely uninterested in ancillary development around their man campus-as has been shown time and time again-they certainly are not going to put the time and energy into Ohio City.

 

CCF has no motivation to do anything with its parking surrounding Lutheran Hospital. They are content with it. If any change happens to the parking, it's going to be initiated, managed and funded by others, but with the approval of CCF. 

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2 hours ago, lafont said:

 

Thanks very much, though I hope they don't close off W. 38th.

 

2 hours ago, lafont said:

 

Thanks very much, though I hope they don't close off W. 38th.

Do you think the work on Fulton north of Lorain will yet begin this year?

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UPDATE on the $21 million project by the Savely Group that will add nearly 90 apartments to the neighborhood.

 

The project on Detroit Avenue west of West 26th Street will also include space for several first floor businesses.

 

Tax package for Ohio City project wins final approval from Cleveland City Council:

 

Tax incentives for a development project that’s part of a makeover of the northern entrance to Ohio City won final approval Monday from Cleveland City Council.

The council approved 30 years of tax increment financing for the project that will allow newly generated taxes from the project to be used to help pay for financing and development of commercial space in old Painters Union Building and adjacent construction.

 

https%3A%2F%2Fwww.cleveland.com%2Fcityhall%2F2019%2F10%2Ftax-package-for-ohio-city-project-wins-final-approval-from-cleveland-city-council.html&psig=AOvVaw0bvltDfF1MsmGgxxAzOBt4&ust=1570596288520917

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FYI, after Snavely digs the foundation for phase 3, don't be surprised if they hit the construction pause button until spring.

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Apologies if this has already been posted here - I did a quick skim of this thread back through August and didn't find this mentioned anywhere. I was poking around on Zillow and noticed these condos for sale on what is currently an empty lot. From what I can find, the oldest listing is 38 days old.

 

https://www.zillow.com/b/3703-Clinton-Ave-Cleveland-OH/41.487096,-81.714099_ll/

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Interesting.  That proposal is several years old, and I thought it was dead.  Maybe they have brought it back and dusted it off.  Wish they'd get a better design, though.  That is one ugly condo building!

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15 hours ago, KJP said:

FYI, after Snavely digs the foundation for phase 3, don't be surprised if they hit the construction pause button until spring.

Because of the coming winter weather?

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9 hours ago, Larry1962 said:

Because of the coming winter weather?

 

Possibly. Point is, some folks may panic when they see the work stop for months. There's no need to. 

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8 hours ago, KJP said:

 

Possibly. Point is, some folks may panic when they see the work stop for months. There's no need to. 

Switching gears to another project (but staying on the topic of winter weather)...

 

With Church + State slated for a Spring 2020 completion, I'd imagine the majority of the exterior work will be completed by winter, allowing construction teams to make headway on the interior during the colder months? 

 

As a side note - the fifth and final story has been built atop the shorter building that will stand at the corner of Church and 28th. 

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On 10/8/2019 at 1:42 PM, X said:

Interesting.  That proposal is several years old, and I thought it was dead.  Maybe they have brought it back and dusted it off.  Wish they'd get a better design, though.  That is one ugly condo building!

 

NIMBYs blocked this with zoning back in 2017. 

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1 hour ago, YABO713 said:

 

NIMBYs blocked this with zoning back in 2017. 

 

Good news - this project is alive and active. One of the units has sold and one more is pending/reserved, I think.

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Church + State is growing up fast!! Also, wasn’t able to snap a pic, but Snavely’s next phase across from the Quarter has lots of activity and has a giant pit right now.

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I also love how the black windows and yellow construction walls mimic the mural right next door. 🤪

 

(Also - I forgot this project had its own thread, so please continue discussion about it here: https://forum.urbanohio.com/topic/15909-cleveland-ohio-city-churchstate-west-29th-detroit-ave/page/4/#comments)

 

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Does anyone else think the plan to construct a whole series - is it seven? - of tiny traffic circles (one could say "islands") all the way down Franklin Boulevard in and past Ohio city is kinda dumb?  I really like bringing back Franklin Circle (I wonder if any of the old brick from the old circle will be retained) and changing the speed from 35 mph to 25 mph is fine but all these little circles?  Does anyone know of a street in Greater Cleveland where many islands have been added in like manner?  I'm referring to a residential street, of course.  I'd like to drive there and see what it's like.

 

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Uniontown and Hartville Ohio just South of Akron have installed 3 traffic circles recently along 619 at Myersville Rd, Kaufman Ave, King Church Ave. They look really nice and help ease traffic out of the Hartville flea market/kitchen/hardware. My only frustration with them are that their circumference is too tight on a country road with a 45mph speed limit, so you have to drop your speed in half. I know this is a lot less urban than Ohio City, but 2 of the roundabouts are only about a hundred yards apart and it seems to work.

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3 hours ago, lafont said:

Does anyone else think the plan to construct a whole series - is it seven? - of tiny traffic circles (one could say "islands") all the way down Franklin Boulevard in and past Ohio city is kinda dumb?  I really like bringing back Franklin Circle (I wonder if any of the old brick from the old circle will be retained) and changing the speed from 35 mph to 25 mph is fine but all these little circles?  Does anyone know of a street in Greater Cleveland where many islands have been added in like manner?  I'm referring to a residential street, of course.  I'd like to drive there and see what it's like.

 

What intersections would have them? 

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This is the study, from last year.  Let's keep in mind the study did not propose real traffic circles but small pavements in the center of the residential street as a traffic calming measure.

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Let’s keep in mind what?  You mentioning putting traffic circles in was a dumb idea. But they’re not really traffic circles?  This is actually the first I heard of this plan outside of Franklin Circle.  

 

So the calming measures are dumb?  or the non circle, circles are dumb? 

 

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22 minutes ago, lafont said:

This is the study, from last year.  Let's keep in mind the study did not propose real traffic circles but small pavements in the center of the residential street as a traffic calming measure.

Not quite sure I understand what the traffic calming measures you are referencing are exactly.  Are they like the bump outs you find on some high volume side streets in Lakewood?

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55 minutes ago, lafont said:

This is the study, from last year.  Let's keep in mind the study did not propose real traffic circles but small pavements in the center of the residential street as a traffic calming measure.

Wups; I meant to attach the study, but I see someone else did.

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8 hours ago, lafont said:

Does anyone else think the plan to construct a whole series - is it seven? - of tiny traffic circles (one could say "islands") all the way down Franklin Boulevard in and past Ohio city is kinda dumb?  I really like bringing back Franklin Circle (I wonder if any of the old brick from the old circle will be retained) and changing the speed from 35 mph to 25 mph is fine but all these little circles?  Does anyone know of a street in Greater Cleveland where many islands have been added in like manner?  I'm referring to a residential street, of course.  I'd like to drive there and see what it's like.

 

 

Some streets in Lakewood have several curb outcrops on the same street. They basically shove two lanes into one so people pay attention.image.thumb.png.ede34ae790438e0576b754fef0935fda.png

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Shaker has something similar, but permanent, on Avalon north of Van Aken (probably on other side streets too, but that's the only one I know of).  The curbs come out on both sides to narrow the road down to one lane. The city has the bump outs filled with flowers. They definitely have the intended effect, as people slow down dramatically. Hopefully they're looking at something closer to Shaker's for Franklin.

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1 hour ago, PoshSteve said:

Shaker has something similar, but permanent, on Avalon north of Van Aken (probably on other side streets too, but that's the only one I know of).  The curbs come out on both sides to narrow the road down to one lane. The city has the bump outs filled with flowers. They definitely have the intended effect, as people slow down dramatically. Hopefully they're looking at something closer to Shaker's for Franklin.

the ones in Lakewood are permanent now too. they used the cones during the pilot.

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Can’t think of an example on NEO, but Coral Gables, Florida has a ton of micro circles. They’re annoying, but they’re super effective. I think it’s the only orderly driving I’ve ever witnessed in SoFlo. 

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I think this is in the kind of mini-roundabout the plan is imagining. Not as drastic as a full circle but should slow down cars. Aesthetically looks pretty nice imo. Pic from NACTO

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5 minutes ago, micheck12 said:

I think this is in the kind of mini-roundabout the plan is imagining. Not as drastic as a full circle but should slow down cars. Aesthetically looks pretty nice imo. Pic from NACTO

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There’s a lot of this stuff down across the Caribbean Islands, thanks to their British influence. 

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Chicago has them all over the north side in residential neighborhoods. I mentioned this a while back, that Ohio City had a lot of silly little traffic lights that might be better served by a well designed 4 way stop. Cleveland seems to have too many of the residential area traffic lights that would be expensive to maintain I'd think. The ones along Bridge Ave..especially by Heck's comes to mind 

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If I was Mayor of Cleveland, I'd implement a strategy to make the city more walkable by adding a ton of this kind of thing to promote walkability and healthy lifestyle. Mayor Daly did it in Chicago in the late 90's...4 way stops at tons of intersections with bump outs and clearly marked cross walks, and these little roundabouts. Drivers bitched about it, but it worked and drivers calmed down. I'd call the program Cleveland Walks! (play on Cleveland Rocks...duh)and make it a city wide initiative and a public awareness campaign. The city already has a good sidewalk infrastructure in place....unlike newer cities. 

 

(edit) Every council person would be able to do all over their ward in my program, not just in cute neighborhoods.

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Community project obtains Jackson approval & funding.  This project may help to erase the memories of the Castro horrors.

 

https://www.cleveland.com/cityhall/2019/11/mayor-frank-jackson-oks-tax-incentives-to-convert-factory-near-ariel-castro-site-into-symbol-of-neighborhood-revival.html?utm_source=facebook&utm_campaign=clevelanddotcom_sf&utm_medium=social&fbclid=IwAR2g4Je3iEadPxG89RLrNnnDo4CdGGKYPpgZi9UqDzESM41XfnbUWU0VSq4

 

In retrospect this is probably more like Tremont vs OC.

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