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With the frequent number 5 bus route, this could have been a great transit corridor ....but here we are and there is parking and and setback and THEN the building....unless I'm mistaken. Sigh.

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On 11/10/2019 at 2:05 PM, Zyrokai said:

With the frequent number 5 bus route, this could have been a great transit corridor ....but here we are and there is parking and and setback and THEN the building....unless I'm mistaken. Sigh.

 

Yeah, that parking in front of the building isn't appropriate. Nor is the next door parking garage that comes all the way out to 5th street. You'd think that with control of the entire block that someone would have done some planning.

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Based on the final rendering, it seems the buildings will not have parking fronting 5th Ave.... except for the hotel... *maybe*. It seems they received quite a bit of pushback by planning parking fronting 5th Ave so it looks like that has changed and will now just be a slight setback. For the hotel however (the plot closest to the river), the site plans have drawn parking along 5th but the most recent announcements say the hotel is still being designed/worked on so there is a good chance that could change. 

 

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For more detail and renders just follow this http://harrisonwest.org/wp-content/uploads/2018/09/Battelle_Combined.pdf

 

 

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Here it is. It almost matches the Uncommon.

https://www.columbusunderground.com/new-king-and-high-plan-calls-for-demolishing-buildings-bw1

 

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I don't like the uncommon building but I think it's mainly the HUGE setbacks after 1 story. That's also a reason I believe the Nicholas has been offputting to me (well, one of several). I also despise the cinder block look of the ground level of uncommon. What a failure in terms of architectural materials approval. 

 

I don't mind it 'matching' either. In fact, it seems to be the better version of Uncommon. It seems they are aiming to use gray brick for the shorter details similar to the Moxy/Joseph etc which is far better than cinderblocks at one story with gray panels immediate above. Perhaps a more differentiated corner detail/feature similar to white castle or the (insert the name of the building on corner of lane and high) could be negotiated. 

 

2 levels parking underground for such a large building is also pretty significant. We haven't seen a ton of that which shows how much they want to maximize within the given height limitations. 

 

It is a loss in density with a pretty large reduction in units. 

 

This is such a mixed bag overall. I would have much preferred ingenuity combined with some preservation but I don't hate all aspects of this. 

 

Edit: I will also say that given this plan, it really does seem hard to understand how they couldn't incorporate the streetfront facades. I'm not entirely buying that a superficial level of preservation is somehow cost prohibitive. Also given the other renderings vs these, I wonder if there was truly a seriousness to attempt the prior level of preservation and density. 🤔

 

 

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^The Uncommon has two levels of underground parking. So does the Target building up the street, the View at Woodruff and the Xander downtown. There’s quite a few around town. 
 

A mixed bag is a good summation. 

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28 minutes ago, Pablo said:

^The Uncommon has two levels of underground parking. So does the Target building up the street, the View at Woodruff and the Xander downtown. There’s quite a few around town. 
 

A mixed bag is a good summation. 

 

I guess there are more than I realized when we start to name them. one could also partially include Pavey and i believe some of the other new building across from campus.

 

Interesting then that a majority of the new below grade garages are in the University District where as the Short North did not experience this. I wonder what drove such different approaches. 

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New King and High Plan Calls for Demolishing Buildings

 

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A new plan for the southwest corner of King Avenue and North High Street calls for tearing down all of the existing buildings on the site.

 

St. Louis-based Collegiate Development Group has floated several concepts for redeveloping the corner over the course of the last seven months. In July, a proposal to build an 11-story building there – while saving at least portions of three of the existing buildings – was presented to the University Impact District Review Board (UIDRB).

 

The latest idea, though, appears to go back to what a representative of the developer said in April was the group’s initial plan for the property – to demolish all of the existing buildings and fill the site with a seven-story building that would not require a zoning variance.

 

More below:

https://www.columbusunderground.com/new-king-and-high-plan-calls-for-demolishing-buildings-bw1

 

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Yeah, I know I know... but I hate just about everything about this.  The loss of the historic buildings instead of incorporation, the extremely bland, boxy style, the hospital colors, the reduced density, the arrogance of the developer in trying to go around the variance process to build a cheaper, more mediocre project...  no thanks.  "Mixed bag" is far too kind.

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The pedestrian experience on SE corner of the building is just awful. Weather protection at entrances would have made the ground floor seem more fleshed out and maybe if they included some street trees in the renders it would have helped but this is just brutal looking. 

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11 hours ago, DTCL11 said:

 

I guess there are more than I realized when we start to name them. one could also partially include Pavey and i believe some of the other new building across from campus.

 

Interesting then that a majority of the new below grade garages are in the University District where as the Short North did not experience this. I wonder what drove such different approaches. 

 

Student housing is pretty lucrative so they can justify the cost - the Uncommon charges about $1K per bed.

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6 hours ago, cityscapes said:

The pedestrian experience on SE corner of the building is just awful. Weather protection at entrances would have made the ground floor seem more fleshed out and maybe if they included some street trees in the renders it would have helped but this is just brutal looking. 

 

I believe the UIDRB has a say on architecture - hopefully they will address the High St frontage.

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This is way too similar to the Uncommon. If they must do something like this, can't they do something similar to what they are doing with the hotel on Park downtown and having the new building recessed a bit to keep the facades and maintain some kind of continuity and interest with the street given the old building frontage on High/intersection of HIgh and King? The original proposal saved the King side...couldn't they make that work even if only a setback of ten or twenty feet?

 

And yeah what is up with the southeast corner of this on High? 💩  Not to mention the part along King.  This thing is much more massive and bulky looking than the original proposal...and only 48 feet lower-with the height distributed all around it with much less variation..smh.  You just know they are going to cheap-out on the materials too and it will show. With all of the setbacks large and small on this I would actually prefer if this was built in brick.

 

I also have to blame the community for not wanting to get with the program and realize that compromises need to be made and the development needs are getting greater and greater given the economic and population growth of the region-and this is the heart of the growth on our main commercial street. Is this sort of a "throw up your hands in frustration" slap in the face from the developer?

 

*On a good note-good for the parking being underground! That is one thing that is right. Put it down there if at all possible.

 

*on a different note...what is up with the comment section of CU? Glad I don't post there anymore...it seems very toxic and antagonistic there.

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16 hours ago, Pablo said:

 

I believe the UIDRB has a say on architecture - hopefully they will address the High St frontage.

Given how poorly so many (Luxe Belle, Uncommon, The Wellington) of the new projects under their purview have turned out and how little they've done to shape the look and feel of those buildings for the better I'm not expecting it to be addressed. 

 

7 hours ago, Toddguy said:

I also have to blame the community for not wanting to get with the program and realize that compromises need to be made and the development needs are getting greater and greater given the economic and population growth of the region-and this is the heart of the growth on our main commercial street. Is this sort of a "throw up your hands in frustration" slap in the face from the developer?

 

It sure as hell feels like it, they tried to preserve some of what was there and do an interesting building and after getting some push back it's like they've proposed something that says here's what your sh*tty code requires / allows are you happy now? 

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6 hours ago, cityscapes said:

Given how poorly so many (Luxe Belle, Uncommon, The Wellington) of the new projects under their purview have turned out and how little they've done to shape the look and feel of those buildings for the better I'm not expecting it to be addressed. 

 

 

It sure as hell feels like it, they tried to preserve some of what was there and do an interesting building and after getting some push back it's like they've proposed something that says here's what your sh*tty code requires / allows are you happy now? 

 

In a way I hope it's a wake up call. I feel the same way as the developers. Code and zoning is so out of whack in Columbus that I've almost thrown my hands up as well, lol.

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On 11/20/2019 at 12:58 AM, cityscapes said:

Given how poorly so many (Luxe Belle, Uncommon, The Wellington) of the new projects under their purview have turned out and how little they've done to shape the look and feel of those buildings for the better I'm not expecting it to be addressed. 

 

 

It sure as hell feels like it, they tried to preserve some of what was there and do an interesting building and after getting some push back it's like they've proposed something that says here's what your sh*tty code requires / allows are you happy now? 

What's so bad about the Wellington? It's massive, but it'll be right in scale with the other developments to the south. It's nothing extraordinary but it seems to be of pretty high quality from the times I've passed it...

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As Giant Eagle's lease expires, state's discount liquor shop may be on the move

 

"Giant Eagle, which operates Last Call in its former grocery space at 777 Neil Ave. in Victorian Village, plans to leave that site when its lease expires in January. The last day of operation is expected to be in mid-January."

 

https://www.bizjournals.com/columbus/news/2019/11/21/as-giant-eagles-lease-expires-states-discount.html

 

Hopefully we hear of a redevelopment soon after!

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On 11/22/2019 at 9:36 AM, aderwent said:

As Giant Eagle's lease expires, state's discount liquor shop may be on the move

 

"Giant Eagle, which operates Last Call in its former grocery space at 777 Neil Ave. in Victorian Village, plans to leave that site when its lease expires in January. The last day of operation is expected to be in mid-January."

 

https://www.bizjournals.com/columbus/news/2019/11/21/as-giant-eagles-lease-expires-states-discount.html

 

Hopefully we hear of a redevelopment soon after!

 

This brings me so much joy. I've hated that they closed this store and held it hostage so another grocer couldn't move in. I've always felt bad for all the retirees from the home who could no longer walk there. Not to mention forcing the people of Victorian Village to go to the Grandview market district.

 

And with the retirement home building a new tower, this entire outdated plaza needs to be completely overhauled and it needs to include a proper grocery store of some sort. And CVS needs to remain an anchor tenant as well. And it ideally should be mixed use and drive up the density further. Get rid of that parking lot.

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Any new news "related" to the Founders Park in Harrison West. Looking at one of the MI homes along 5th Ave for sale.  I am hoping that a restaurant, coffee shop and gym will be built so that I won't have to walk far.

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On 1/18/2019 at 2:57 PM, ColDayMan said:

140-unit apartment project in the University District clears commission

 

A plan to redevelop a former city school property in the University District has cleared its first hurdle.

 

Brent Wrightsel's Vision Development has worked on plans for a mixed-use project on the site of the former Fifth Avenue Elementary in Dennison Place.

 

More below:

https://www.bizjournals.com/columbus/news/2019/01/18/140-unit-apartment-project-in-the-university.html

 

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The elementary school has been demolished and it looks like the site is being prepped for construction. Here’s a shot from Highland looking west. 
 

 

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^ That is going to be a major upgrade for that block.  Here is an aerial of that block when the circa 1975 elementary school occupied it:

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And here's a rendering one of the new replacement buildings - as seen from Fifth Avenue:

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According to the 2019 Business First article about this project at https://www.bizjournals.com/columbus/news/2019/01/18/140-unit-apartment-project-in-the-university.html:

 

"Vision Development wants to build a mixed-use project on the site of the former Fifth Avenue Alternative Elementary School at 1300 Forsythe Avenue in Dennison Place.  Plans call for two buildings on the block, bound by 5th and 6th avenues.  The development would have a pair of 3,000- to 5,000-square-foot retail areas with about 134 apartment units above.  Grass courtyards and parking spaces would go between the buildings.  Another part of the development will include some for-sale units."

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It would be a great time for the 5th Ave road diet. Worst designed street in the city with a lot of potential.

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51 minutes ago, Ted said:

It would be a great time for the 5th Ave road diet. Worst designed street in the city with a lot of potential.

 

I think Broad St from Downtown to Bexley may own that title haha but 5th is a close second. It's terrible from a pedestrian experience and really needs looked at as developments starts kicking off, I imagine this project is the first of many to come being it seems to be such a valuable property corridor. 

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2 hours ago, DevolsDance said:

 

I think Broad St from Downtown to Bexley may own that title haha but 5th is a close second. It's terrible from a pedestrian experience and really needs looked at as developments starts kicking off, I imagine this project is the first of many to come being it seems to be such a valuable property corridor. 

I'd challenge this and say Broad street from 70 in Franklinton to Bexley 🙂 So many vehicle lanes.. so few bicycle lanes.. so not pedestrian friendly

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2 hours ago, NightNectar said:

I'd challenge this and say Broad street from 70 in Franklinton to Bexley 🙂 So many vehicle lanes.. so few bicycle lanes.. so not pedestrian friendly

 

Valid point, I will agree on that now that I think about that stretch. I think the only redeemable piece of Broad through that is the tiny section by COSI/NVMM with medians and bike lanes. 

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Broad Street is wide enough to land an airplane. Something needs to be done yesterday, imo. It's honestly ridiculous.

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On 1/6/2020 at 11:37 AM, DevolsDance said:

 

I think Broad St from Downtown to Bexley may own that title haha but 5th is a close second. It's terrible from a pedestrian experience and really needs looked at as developments starts kicking off, I imagine this project is the first of many to come being it seems to be such a valuable property corridor. 

good point haha

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On 1/7/2020 at 7:02 AM, Zyrokai said:

Broad Street is wide enough to land an airplane. Something needs to be done yesterday, imo. It's honestly ridiculous.

 

Well, it IS called Broad Street, lol.

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So that 5th & Highland development:

 

There are now steel beams in the ground on the east side of the parcel. Things seem to be moving quickly now. They weren't there yesterday. I missed my chance to snap a photo when I passed by on the bus.

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^Those steel beams are part of the shoring system. They are being driven into the ground to allow for excavation of what I assume is a below grade parking garage. Should start to see dirt moving in a few weeks. 

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The King and High development is headed back to the UARB Commission this month for conceptual review with an updated design.

 

https://columbusohdev.app.box.com/s/tcrwl8zlp5p8a3bgc6u6am6sjxvnivkr

 

Looks like the developers are going to try and sway the commission to allow some height once again with the new design returning to 11 stories. Based on renders the site plan has been reworked to shift the tower massing to the southern-most portion of the site and maintaining/incorporating the townhouse facades along King Ave, along with an updated incorporation of the "Hippie Hut" building on the corner. The developer is asking for a variance from the current 72' to 120' 6".

 

I am curious if the renders released last month of the "no variance" option was to try and poke the commission a bit. Either way, this seems like a much better site plan and while I do have some material questions, I am absolutely in favor of the massing and heights shown in the new concept. 

 

Renders attached below! Enjoy all!

 

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Okay I lied a bit, I don't love the incorporation of the old townhouses along King Ave but... I get it. 

 

 

 

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24 minutes ago, DevolsDance said:

The King and High development is headed back to the UARB Commission this month for conceptual review with an updated design.

 

https://columbusohdev.app.box.com/s/tcrwl8zlp5p8a3bgc6u6am6sjxvnivkr

 

Looks like the developers are going to try and sway the commission to allow some height once again with the new design returning to 11 stories. Based on renders the site plan has been reworked to shift the tower massing to the southern-most portion of the site and maintaining/incorporating the townhouse facades along King Ave, along with an updated incorporation of the "Hippie Hut" building on the corner. The developer is asking for a variance from the current 72' to 120' 6".

 

I am curious if the renders released last month of the "no variance" option was to try and poke the commission a bit. Either way, this seems like a much better site plan and while I do have some material questions, I am absolutely in favor of the massing and heights shown in the new concept. 

 

Renders attached below! Enjoy all!

 

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Okay I lied a bit, I don't love the incorporation of the old townhouses along King Ave but... I get it. 

 

 

 

I think this looks great. The color of the southern highest part looks better than in the initial renderings. Hopefully it gets approved. It looks good. 

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Wow. I'm much more confident in this with the updated renderings. Agreed on material selection reservations. The earlier renderings were awful. 

 

I agree the incorporation of the townhomes is understandable but a bit awkward in the current form. (Perhaps different treatment of the set back portion above them might help).

 

Would be interesting to see some patio space on the roofs of the original structures. 

 

If the commission can approve this, I think we will see a continued expansion of similar density across the city. With the AC Hotel and this setting precedents of how to better (not necessarily perfect) incorporate new and old and add much needed density. 

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