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9 hours ago, troeros said:

 

I don't really see Hard Rock as a suburban oriented casino though...I might be off, but I've always seen hard Rock as an entertainment brand..there hotels have rooftop pools, clubs on the ground floor, there casinos are quality, and the hard Rock Cafe has always been associated with being a highly visited tourist city. 

 

I read alot of the Facebook comments and I was surprised by how many people were excited and how many comments were staying "Cincinnati finally made it". I feel like the isn't just a simple upgraded casino, but a premiere, internationally recognized entertainment brand. Probably the biggest brand to land in Cincy urban core since I've been alive. 

My "Cincinnati has made it" comments are more tongue n cheek. Getting a Hard Rock used to be a status symbol, now, half of the original locations have closed and gone out of business, the excitement has worn off. Back in the 80s, wearing a Hard Rock t-Shirt around, especially for a kid, was almost a badge of pride, like you have been somewhere and were in the cool club.

 

I remember in the 90s when the Cleveland Hard Rock opened, it was a huge deal for the city for months. However, once it did open, it was much more of a thud as it was not much different than most other restaurants that served overpriced bar food.

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4 minutes ago, Brutus_buckeye said:

My "Cincinnati has made it" comments are more tongue n cheek. Getting a Hard Rock used to be a status symbol, now, half of the original locations have closed and gone out of business, the excitement has worn off. Back in the 80s, wearing a Hard Rock t-Shirt around, especially for a kid, was almost a badge of pride, like you have been somewhere and were in the cool club.

 

I remember in the 90s when the Cleveland Hard Rock opened, it was a huge deal for the city for months. However, once it did open, it was much more of a thud as it was not much different than most other restaurants that served overpriced bar food.

 

Maybe, but I still see kids wear hard Rock t-shirts (it was a hard Rock Detroit shirt I just recently saw) quite often...

 

Also, Hard Rock was in the headlines for almost a month straight for there new Guitar Shaped FL hotel.

 

Maybe the brand has diminished a bit since the early 90's, but I still think the brand as a whole still holds weight. 

 

Also, I remember when the Hard Rock Cafe in Cleveland closed. I remember quite a large number of members on urban ohio forum who were quoted as saying it was a huge blow to downtowns Cleveland dining scene...as many of them noted, it captured the interests of tourists even if it may not have been the best dining option in Cleveland.  

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9 hours ago, troeros said:

 

I don't really see Hard Rock as a suburban oriented casino though...I might be off, but I've always seen hard Rock as an entertainment brand..there hotels have rooftop pools, clubs on the ground floor, there casinos are quality, and the hard Rock Cafe has always been associated with being a highly visited tourist city. 

 

I read alot of the Facebook comments and I was surprised by how many people were excited and how many comments were staying "Cincinnati finally made it". I feel like the isn't just a simple upgraded casino, but a premiere, internationally recognized entertainment brand. Probably the biggest brand to land in Cincy urban core since I've been alive. 

Why would you ever do that? 

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1 minute ago, troeros said:

 

Maybe, but I still see kids wear hard Rock t-shirts (it was a hard Rock Detroit shirt I just recently saw) quite often...

 

Also, Hard Rock was in the headlines for almost a month straight for there new Guitar Shaped FL hotel.

 

Maybe the brand has diminished a bit since the early 90's, but I still think the brand as a whole still holds weight. 

 

Also, I remember when the Hard Rock Cafe in Cleveland closed. I remember quite a large number of members on urban ohio forum who were quoted as saying it was a huge blow to downtowns Cleveland dining scene...as many of them noted, it captured the interests of tourists even if it may not have been the best dining option in Cleveland.  

I think the Hard Rock Brand, especially casino is still significant. Believe me, I am excited about this change. If they build a nice hotel, it Is a great addition. The stand alone café model has gotten stale and overbuilt, but there are only 12 casinos in the world with the Hard Rock name, so that still means something. They have to make it unique though. It would be a shame if they build a 5 story box hotel that does nothing to stand out. Do what they did in Tampa and make something that is architecturally significant.

 

The Cleveland location was a bit of a head scratcher for me. It was in Tower City, but on the far end and really had nothing else near it, at least on the street level side. I ate there a couple times when I lived up there and it was underwhelming for the most part.

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Just now, Cincy513 said:

Why would you ever do that? 

 

Because they are almost always negative and I get amusement about how people in Clermont County are so terrified of downtown. 

 

Apperantly even Jack Casino is shady and unsafe because of rampent agressive homeless crack addicts who sleep in the casino parking garage lol

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20 hours ago, troeros said:

 

They are really looking at the parking lot plot behind the parking garage. That used to be employee parking but is now used for daytime downtown employees.

 

Again from a Reddit casino employee. Thoughts? 

 

Looking at a map, that parking lot would give the hotel the most amount of space and best highway visibility, which is probably what they want. The big downside is it would lack interior access to the casino... the only way they would get that is by building where the circle is now, as was mentioned before.

 

What would be nice to imagine is if the casino actually did good urban development, bought up the surface lots directly south of it and developed them out. Instead of the casino being what it is, the most suburban possible casino on acres of prime real estate downtown.

 

I personally hope Hard Rock jumps the shark and taps into Cincy's Hustler Hollywood roots. Let's gets some mega strip club / sex shop / porn studio in the casino with the hotel lol. Then I'd probably be a fan of the place.

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1 hour ago, SWOH said:

 

Looking at a map, that parking lot would give the hotel the most amount of space and best highway visibility, which is probably what they want. The big downside is it would lack interior access to the casino... the only way they would get that is by building where the circle is now, as was mentioned before.

 

What would be nice to imagine is if the casino actually did good urban development, bought up the surface lots directly south of it and developed them out. Instead of the casino being what it is, the most suburban possible casino on acres of prime real estate downtown.

 

I personally hope Hard Rock jumps the shark and taps into Cincy's Hustler Hollywood roots. Let's gets some mega strip club / sex shop / porn studio in the casino with the hotel lol. Then I'd probably be a fan of the place.

I am sure they would build a skywalk if they built a hotel across the street.

 

 

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28 minutes ago, Brutus_buckeye said:

I am sure they would build a skywalk if they built a hotel across the street.

 

 

 

I don't think they own the land across the street... the employee surface parking lot is separated from the casino by the parking garage... idk because I've never been in that parking garage but maybe they would be able to build out a hallway or some kind of connection in it?

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On 9/30/2019 at 10:21 PM, troeros said:

Do we think that with the addition of Hard Rock investment in the casino property plus a hotel, that we will finally see investment around this area?

 

When the casino was built, there was a lot of speculation in both directions. Some people claimed that it would bring crime and prostitution to Downtown, and that Reading Road would become lined with pawn shops. Other people predicted that there would drive a huge amount of traffic to other destinations downtown, with people going to the casino and then checking out other things in OTR or Downtown. That, also, did not really happen. For the most part, people are not spending a Saturday going to Findlay Market and then gambling at the casino; or gambling and then going to LouVino on Main for dinner. Most of the casino visitors drive in to the parking garage, go inside to gamble and maybe eat at one of the restaurants, and then get back in their car and drive home.

 

The only thing that will really change is that Hard Rock Cafe will be more of a destination than any of the restaurants the casino has now. But I think it will still be a drive-in/drive-out destination and not have much impact on the surrounding area. Maybe once the hotel is built, you will have a little more spillover, with people crossing the street and eating at Nation or Boomtown, but that's about all the impact I expect.

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^ While still a Casino and designed to discourage foot traffic, I will say that the one thing they did to the neighborhood was open up the main entrance on Reading facing the Pendleton neighborhood and not completely closing off to street life in that area. While the majority will still be In and out car customers, there is hope that if the hotel is done right, it could add some additional street presence.

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https://www.bizjournals.com/cincinnati/news/2019/10/02/hard-rock-cafe-concert-venue-coming-to-casino.html?iana=hpmvp_cinci_news_headline

 

Hard Rock Live will take up the second floor conference space, some street improvements around the property including the addition of Hard Rock Branded Guitar Signage, and they talked about Hard Rock Hotel as a potential 2nd phase after they determine some factors like occupancy rates. 

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26 minutes ago, troeros said:

https://www.bizjournals.com/cincinnati/news/2019/10/02/hard-rock-cafe-concert-venue-coming-to-casino.html?iana=hpmvp_cinci_news_headline

 

Hard Rock Live will take up the second floor conference space, some street improvements around the property including the addition of Hard Rock Branded Guitar Signage, and they talked about Hard Rock Hotel as a potential 2nd phase after they determine some factors like occupancy rates. 

 

I literally said "what the f*ck" when I saw this:

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But a new addition is expected to make a splash: the 24-Karat Gold Leaf Steakburger. That burger is topped with tomato, leaf lettuce and red onion, as well as edible 24-Karat gold leaf. A portion of all sales will benefit Action Against Hunger.

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4 hours ago, troeros said:

 

 

Video footage of the casualties crushed by the collapsing scaffolding. Who is liable Hard Rock or The contracted construction company? 

Usually the contractor, though everybody usually gets sued. Will depend on the cause if is design or construction process or materials.

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This will likely have no impact on the Hard Rock Casino in Cincinnati. The company will lose some money (largely due to delays in opening and fighting lawsuits). It will be contractors and subcontractors who are footing the bill for the accident in all likelihood. 

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On 10/12/2019 at 2:54 PM, troeros said:

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/us-news/breaking-new-orleans-hard-rock-20566559

 

Yikes...prayers...but I wonder how much of an effect this will have on Cincinnati's Hard Rock Hotel future?? I imagine hard Rock will be drowning in lawsuits after this. 


None. This will all be the responsibility of the construction company/companies and the property owners. Hard Rock issued a statement saying just that:
 

- “Citadel Builders LLC was contracted by Kailas Companies, owner of the project, to build the Hard Rock Hotel New Orleans based on a brand licensing agreement with Hard Rock International, the future manager of the hotel. Hard Rock has had no involvement in the construction of the project. We want to extend our deepest sympathies to victims of this tragic accident and to their loved ones and friends.”

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I've noticed new Hard Rock Casino billboards around 1-71 recently. Pretty sweet to see Hard Rock in Cincinnati in general, and I can't wait to grab a Hard Rock Cincinnati shirt for the novelty sake. 

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58 minutes ago, Ucgrad2015 said:

Information about Hard Rick casino. I’m not a enquirer member so I cannot read it. https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.cincinnati.com/amp/4465967002

 

Im not a subscriber either, but from what I've heard is that the hard rock hotel will feature "Las Vegas" like features..Luxery suites, rooftop pool, night club on ground level, etc. I'm not if this is what the article talks about though in terms of the unique features of the hard rock hotel coming. 

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The article just says they're beginning to explore/research adding a giant guitar sign and a hotel on the site.  Those are longer term "phase 2" plans.  Phase 1 is changing out the signage, "museum-quality" memorabilia displays, new carpeting and a Hard Rock Café in the old Margaritaville space. 

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So where do people think the best site within the Casino's property for the Hard Rock Hotel would be? My first pass idea is on top of the garage, if that is even possible. Plenty of benefits and deficits from a lot of different options within the open space of their property.

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^ My prediction:

 

On 9/18/2019 at 5:19 PM, taestell said:

I would be shocked if they didn't build the hotel right there, where their drop off circle is now located. That's a 465ft x 125ft rectangle, or about 1.3 acres, plenty of room for a hotel. As a comparison, the new Tru by Hilton hotel that's going in next to the Corryville Kroger will be built on 0.65 acre lot.

 

 

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1 hour ago, Chas Wiederhold said:

So where do people think the best site within the Casino's property for the Hard Rock Hotel would be? My first pass idea is on top of the garage, if that is even possible. Plenty of benefits and deficits from a lot of different options within the open space of their property.

 

Building on top of the garage would be good. It would have great views of downtown, Over-the-Rhine, and the Mt. Adams hillside. Building on the lawn near the main entrance at the corner of Eggleston and Central Parkway would create a lot more interaction with the street. That lawn creates such a deep setback and is rarely programmed. I doubt it gets built on that lawn because that would require a major reconfiguration of the casino's entrance. 

 

With any talk of development around the casino, I get nervous about the future of the flatiron building at 401 E Court St. 

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I think the original developer of the casino set aside that grassy employee drop-off for a future hotel. The only other option I see is buying out the Greyhound Station, but I don't think they're interested in selling.

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5 minutes ago, taestell said:

^ My prediction:

 

 

 

Imagine the city views at this location, especially if they build something in the ~15-20 story range.

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5 minutes ago, ryanlammi said:

I think the original developer of the casino set aside that grassy employee drop-off for a future hotel. The only other option I see is buying out the Greyhound Station, but I don't think they're interested in selling.

 

Nationally, Greyhound has been selling off a lot of real estate in recent years. I think they would move if Hard Rock made them a good offer, but then the question becomes where do they relocate their operations. This would be the perfect opportunity to lure them into the Transit Center, but that would require a lot of coordination between Greyhound, the city, and Metro...

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I think that footprint is probably the ideal footprint for a hotel. Would prefer something across the street, but this space will work. Would love to see a tower, but dont think it will be that high. You have to figure it will just be a hotel. They dont need to have space for conferences and meetings since the casino already has that space. The casino has their ball rooms, it already has restaurants and catering. Outside of rooms and a pool and workout facility, there is not much the hotel really would need on that space. It already has parking too.  Do  you see them building a 600-800 room hotel on the spot or do you think it will be more like 200 -300 rooms?

 

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5 minutes ago, Brutus_buckeye said:

I think that footprint is probably the ideal footprint for a hotel. Would prefer something across the street, but this space will work. Would love to see a tower, but dont think it will be that high. You have to figure it will just be a hotel. They dont need to have space for conferences and meetings since the casino already has that space. The casino has their ball rooms, it already has restaurants and catering. Outside of rooms and a pool and workout facility, there is not much the hotel really would need on that space. It already has parking too.  Do  you see them building a 600-800 room hotel on the spot or do you think it will be more like 200 -300 rooms?

 

From looking at other hard rock hotels I would assume in the 200-300 range. The only thing I worry about are people on that side of MT. Adams complain about it taking their view of downtown away if they build something too tall. 

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22 minutes ago, Ucgrad2015 said:

From looking at other hard rock hotels I would assume in the 200-300 range. The only thing I worry about are people on that side of MT. Adams complain about it taking their view of downtown away if they build something too tall. 

I can certainly see the complaints happening , but there is way to much humor in complaining that a building blocks your view of other different buildings.

 

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17 minutes ago, taestell said:

Does anyone know how tall a 200-300 room hotel on that footprint would likely be?

 

Not sure in regards to that particular footprint, but the average typical hard rock casino hotel is around 12 stories in height.

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