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Why compare U of M with CSU?  imho comparisons of cities, neighborhoods, campuses, etc. are basically "open season."  Someone chooses to be in a big city, tiny village, etc. - the person is the consistency and one can always try comparing.  Exploring how various communities differ and have things in common gets extremely, extremely fascinating!

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^Wait, is that gray stuff the finished facade material?

 

If so, it's one of the most depressing, featureless buildings I've ever seen along Euclid.


"Fascism begins the moment a ruling class, fearing the people may use their political democracy to gain economic democracy, begins to destroy political democracy in order to retain its power of exploitation and special privilege." -- Tommy Douglas, Scottish-born Canadian Baptist minister and the seventh Premier of Saskatchewan

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The rendering shows the façade to be a lot lighter than the gray, but that huge featureless wall appears to be pretty much it.  I have never like this building (I believe the consensus on the board) and the reality of it is making me even less of a fan.  Hopefully it will look better finished.

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I'll wait for confirmation before I freak out, but yeah, if that's what this thing is really going to look like, it's an abomination. Up there with the casino garage on my list of least favorite things to happen downtown in recent years.

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Big blank wall it is:

 

 

City Planning Commission

Agenda for September 6, 2013

 

DF2013-058 - Center for Innovation in the Health Professions Conceptual Approval

Project Location: Euclid Avenue and East 22nd Street

Project Representative: Justin Fliegel, Stantec

 

http://planning.city.cleveland.oh.us/designreview/drcagenda/2013/09062013/index.php

 

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EDIT: This last image looks like a campus masterplan since the stuff north of Payne and the Inner Belt lane threading doesn't yet exist.......

 

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^Wait, is that gray stuff the finished facade material?

 

If so, it's one of the most depressing, featureless buildings I've ever seen along Euclid.

 

So far it kinda reminds me of a small, boxy version of the Death Star.

 

[edit] On second glance, it's obviously a joint project between three equally terrible architects.

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^^I'll never understand how CSU went from the type of site plan shown in that old master plan to what we ended up with. Even aside from the craptastic architecture of this building, the idiocy of paying money to buy out the land owners at the NW corner of the site, demolishing functioning businesses that had fit well in a college neighborhood, and replacing them in part with empty lawn just depresses me.

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^^I'll never understand how CSU went from the type of site plan shown in that old master plan to what we ended up with. Even aside from the craptastic architecture of this building, the idiocy of paying money to buy out the land owners at the NW corner of the site, demolishing functioning businesses that had fit well in a college neighborhood, and replacing them in part with empty lawn just depresses me.

 

Unfortunately - that appears to be the finished exterior.

 

Cleveland State University trustees agree to Mather Mansion renovation and enrollment goals: Five things to know

http://www.cleveland.com/metro/index.ssf/2015/01/cleveland_state_university_tru_1.html#incart_river

 

2. CSU's new building is now the Center for Innovation in Medical Professions. After months of deliberation, the word "Health" was changed to "Medical" to reflect CSU's partnership with the Northeast Ohio Medical University and the perhaps draw more interest for naming rights, CSU officials said.

 

The exterior of the building, between East 21st and 22nd streets and Euclid and Prospect avenues, is completed.

 

The move into the building is planned for June 15 and classes will begin this fall.

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I don't think that's the finished exterior.  The renderings have some sort of brickwork or textured cladding on them, and it looks like there's metal framing going up all over the building.  I'm guessing they'll attach the final cladding to that.

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The Center for Innovation fails on so many levels.  Mainly it's  arbitrary setback from Euclid Avenue.  There is no interactive aspect to its surroundings.

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Cleveland State University trustees agree to Mather Mansion renovation and enrollment goals: Five things to know

By Karen Farkas, Northeast Ohio Media Group

on January 21, 2015 at 1:13 PM, updated January 21, 2015 at 5:23 PM

 

CLEVELAND, Ohio - The historic and beautiful Mather Mansion at Cleveland State University will host weddings and other events beginning this fall after undergoing a $2.2 million renovation approved Wednesday by trustees.

 

Trustees also heard about enrollment strategies and updates to projects at their meeting. Following are five things to know:

 

1. Mather Mansion to be restored to glory. After trying for several years to turn one of the few surviving "Millionaires' Row" homes into a boutique hotel, officials decided last March to renovate the 43-room Tudor mansion for university use.

 

MORE:

http://www.cleveland.com/metro/index.ssf/2015/01/cleveland_state_university_tru_1.html


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You guys may hate the new Center for Innovation in Health Professions building (I don't totally share your sentiment), but I think we all can agree that Main Classroom looks a lot better now. They painted over the brick sections and added a glass pane for the Honors College signage. Also, there's a new illuminated "Main Classroom" sign out front.

 

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Edit: Here's an old (and bad quality) picture

 

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The campus appears disjointed in its architectural choices.  I am probably in the minority but I felt the original brutalist architecture was handsome in its details.  The Main Classroom Building has had so many "earrings" attached to its original design which IMO stand out as additions.  I know Cleveland State wants a more outward/approachable design  but I wish they would limit the materials and style to be more harmonious.

The Langston and  The Euclid Commons are two designs which are prime examples of wrong choices.  The Student Center and The Center for Innovation continue this trend.  Until the architects embrace the original architecture of CSU the campus will continue to fight it's identity. 

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The campus appears disjointed in its architectural choices.  I am probably in the minority but I felt the original brutalist architecture was handsome in its details.  The Main Classroom Building has had so many "earrings" attached to its original design which IMO stand out as additions.  I know Cleveland State wants a more outward/approachable design  but I wish they would limit the materials and style to be more harmonious.

The Langston and  The Euclid Commons are two designs which are prime examples of wrong choices.  The Student Center and The Center for Innovation continue this trend.  Until the architects embrace the original architecture of CSU the campus will continue to fight it's identity. 

 

Architectural disjointment (is that a word?) is the same story on pretty much every college campus in America. The brutalist buildings on CSU's campus have now become the minority. CSU's identity is that it is urban and modern, thus I think the current architecture suits that well.

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Every day I'm reminded of the irony that I'm majoring in Urban Planning.... at Cleveland State.

 

It kind of seems fitting in that CSU's MUPPD is known to be less "design" focused than other planning programs in the state.

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I think CSU's MUPPD graduate students should be added to the design teams of all CSU building projects.


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The first picture looks like a county jail or a building that holds cells for the Juvenile justice center.

 

Yes!  I was thinking the exact same thing.  It is so lifeless and horrible!    Ahhhh :shoot:

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The first picture looks like a county jail or a building that holds cells for the Juvenile justice center.

 

Looks like a bad re-cladding of an old brick warehouse building to me...

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Some people realize they have a passion for architecture some time in high school. Then they pursue higher education and spend years studying the trade and countless hours making designs. Then they have to prove they are skilled enough to hire. THEN THEY MAKE SHIT LIKE THIS.

 

Why does this happen? I didn't study architecture, but at least I have some kind of vision for what looks good. It's crazy to me that so many people spend years studying it, and don't even know what good architecture looks like.

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You guys may hate the new Center for Innovation in Health Professions building (I don't totally share your sentiment), but I think we all can agree that Main Classroom looks a lot better now. They painted over the brick sections and added a glass pane for the Honors College signage. Also, there's a new illuminated "Main Classroom" sign out front.

 

IMG_0106.JPG

 

 

Edit: Here's an old (and bad quality) picture

 

MainClassroom.jpg?itok=hT1jamd3

 

 

wow that looks a bazillion times better. the signage is nice and painting over the brick really did it. i didn't think anything could ever be done with this hideous building outside of tearing it down, so that is just amazing.

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IMG_0443.JPG

 

Could a building be any more dead at street level? If a blind person feels their way along a building's wall and can't find at least a few windows and doors, then that building (er, bunker) is a nothing but a blank wall and the person is missing nothing by being blind.


"Fascism begins the moment a ruling class, fearing the people may use their political democracy to gain economic democracy, begins to destroy political democracy in order to retain its power of exploitation and special privilege." -- Tommy Douglas, Scottish-born Canadian Baptist minister and the seventh Premier of Saskatchewan

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