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Its all very interesting how these numbers are computed. NOACA itself which is pursuing a Cleveland Akron/Canton Metro designation states that (currently) 17.7 percent of commuters from Summit/Portage or Akron Metro commute into the Cleveland Metro area , and that Akron metro commuters into Cuyahoga county is 14.6. That is far from the threshold of 25 percent. At the same time currently the Akron/Canton officials seeking a Akron/Canton Metroplex currently state there is a close to 40 percent commute of workers between the counties. I guess you could say the Census bureau will of course have to sort this out.. 

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On 11/18/2019 at 3:32 PM, ColDayMan said:

 

Unlikely going to happen due to the Big Darby Creek watershed.

I know this was from a while ago, but I was just reading through this thread.  But, how far west does the Darby Accord go?  I decided to drive to West Jefferson recently to see all of the distribution centers that have been built and there are going to be more coming as central Ohio rises as a distribution hub.  I started wondering if that was west of the protected Darby watershed and we could expect to see development as a result of all of those distribution centers.  Then, you aren't too far east of Springfield.  So, I was wondering if you could eventually see more development that spans east from Springfield towards West Jefferson and Columbus and then just skips the watershed.

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^ Since you also posed this question in the Madison County development thread and I just wrote an answer there, I'll just copy my reply below:

 

3 minutes ago, Columbo said:

 

If there isn't any future urban development between Columbus and Dayton/Springfield, it won't be because of the Big Darby Accord.

 

For one thing, the Big Darby Accord only applies to the western townships in Franklin County from the current western urban edge of Columbus and Hilliard to the county border of Franklin-Madison Counties (which happens to be the Big Darby Creek).  And even in those areas, the accord doesn't ban development - it manages it through additional regulation.

 

In the Big Darby Accord thread at https://forum.urbanohio.com/topic/1163-big-darby-accord-region-developments-and-news/page/2/?tab=comments#comment-889813, there were three residential/mixed-use developments proposed just last year.  One residential development site was annexed into Columbus.  Another mixed-use development was proposed to be annexed into Hilliard but was put on hold late last year over a disagreement about the developer's agreement with the city - https://forum.urbanohio.com/topic/417-hilliard-developments-and-news/page/3/?tab=comments#comment-935259.

 

But all of this warehouse development in Madison County, is not within the Big Darby Accord Region.  So there's nothing regulatory preventing additional development of this type or other types like residential from spreading west.  However, any residential development of a significant size would require modern sewer infrastructure, which would also need to be built.  So this is a limiting factor unless additional sewer capacity is provided by the City of London, or the villages of West Jefferson and Plain City, or some future Madison County Sewer District, to span the gap between Columbus and Springfield.

 

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16 hours ago, TH3BUDDHA said:

I know this was from a while ago, but I was just reading through this thread.  But, how far west does the Darby Accord go?  I decided to drive to West Jefferson recently to see all of the distribution centers that have been built and there are going to be more coming as central Ohio rises as a distribution hub.  I started wondering if that was west of the protected Darby watershed and we could expect to see development as a result of all of those distribution centers.  Then, you aren't too far east of Springfield.  So, I was wondering if you could eventually see more development that spans east from Springfield towards West Jefferson and Columbus and then just skips the watershed.

Well first of all, may I extend my sympathies for you for having to experience West Jefferson lol. Anyways I think there will be "pockets of development" rather than any expansive development, particularly any that is residential IMO.. 

West Jefferson is extending water and sewer lines for all of these new warehouses, they required Batelle out here to get annexed into West Jefferson to get water and sewer for their expansion, and there is also expansion to the east towards Columbus that has happened for this planned development that has been in the works:  https://www.columbusmessenger.com/bids-in-for-utility-extension-to-kroger-sky-ranch.html .

This development(or some form of it)should bring hundreds of new housing units-depending now of course on what happens in this coronavirus economy.

 

Also West Jefferson village limits(still a village since slightly less than 5,000 are within the corporate limits)have expanded and extend all of the way east to west form 142 all the way to 42(which is the London exit from 70.)

 

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Not sure if this has been posted before, but here's a live map of Ohio Census response numbers.

 

You can drill down by county and even by census track:

 

https://public.tableau.com/views/ResponseRateChallenge/CountyDashboard?:showVizHome=no&:tabs=n&State=Ohio&Select Mode=Total&Share

 

As of 5/12/2020, here are our large Ohio county response rates:

 

Summit: 67.7%

Mahoning: 63.5%

Montgomery: 62.7%

Hamilton: 61.1%

Cuyahoga: 60.2%

Franklin: 60.0%

Lucas: 59.6%

 

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^and in the city of cleveland, it is only 45.3%. Some of the Cleveland suburbs are in the high 70s.

 

For comparison: 

 

Columbus 56.0%, Cincinnati 50.6%

 

https://2020census.gov/en/response-rates.html

 

The Census Bureau has restarted field operations in some states. Ohio is not one of them yet.

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The Census Bureau came out with new numbers for city populations today.  Obviously yearly counts should be taken lightly, but these numbers are always interesting to look at.  

 

From 2018-2019 the numbers are as follows:

 

Columbus - 890,869...898,553 (the 13th best city in regards to numeric growth in the country)

 

Cleveland - 383,214...381,009

 

Cincinnati - 302,277...303,940 (now larger than peer river cities Pittsburgh and St. Louis)

 

Toledo - 274,864...272,779

 

Akron - 197,884...197,597

 

Dayton - 140,439...140,407

 

Parma - 78,622...78,103

 

Canton - 70,752...70,447

 

Youngstown - 64,860...65,469 (shown growing from 2016-2019. As a Mahoning Valley resident and being able to see the city limits from my kitchen window, I doubt these numbers)

 

Lorain - 63,984...63,855

 

Again, take these numbers with a grain of salt.  Yearly numbers as well all know tend to fluctuate wildly, but that still doesn't stop us from talking about it.

 

See the link with all the spreadsheets:

 

https://www.census.gov/newsroom/press-releases/2020/south-west-fastest-growing.html

 

 

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^I hope those Youngstown numbers are going in the right direction, but it does seem like a large jump.

 

You posted the 10 largest cities. Hamilton, now at 11th largest, has been estimated at levels just beyond 62,000 since 2010, when the decennial census landed at 62,477.

 

I will be curious to see where the 2020 census number actually land. There were certainly many older homes vacated and demolished at the beginning of the decade, but the end of the decade has seen the construction of ~60-80 single family homes each year, a couple multi-family projects, and more than 200 new downtown apartments.

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The full list, FYI:

 

New York City, New York8,336,817

Los Angeles city, California3,979,576

Chicago city, Illinois2,693,976

Houston city, Texas2,320,268

Phoenix city, Arizona1,680,992

Philadelphia city, Pennsylvania1,584,064

San Antonio city, Texas1,547,253

San Diego city, California1,423,851

Dallas city, Texas1,343,573

San Jose city, California1,021,795

Austin city, Texas978,908

Jacksonville city, Florida911,507

Fort Worth city, Texas909,585

Columbus city, Ohio898,553

Charlotte city, North Carolina885,708

San Francisco city, California881,549

Indianapolis city (balance), Indiana876,384

Seattle city, Washington753,675

Denver city, Colorado727,211

Washington city, District of Columbia705,749

Boston city, Massachusetts692,600

El Paso city, Texas681,728

Nashville-Davidson metropolitan government (balance), Tennessee670,820

Detroit city, Michigan670,031

Oklahoma City city, Oklahoma655,057

Portland city, Oregon654,741

Las Vegas city, Nevada651,319

Memphis city, Tennessee651,073

Louisville/Jefferson County metro government (balance), Kentucky617,638

Baltimore city, Maryland593,490

Milwaukee city, Wisconsin590,157

Albuquerque city, New Mexico560,513

Tucson city, Arizona548,073

Fresno city, California531,576

Mesa city, Arizona518,012

Sacramento city, California513,624

Atlanta city, Georgia506,811

Kansas City city, Missouri495,327

Colorado Springs city, Colorado478,221

Omaha city, Nebraska478,192

Raleigh city, North Carolina474,069

Miami city, Florida467,963

Long Beach city, California462,628

Virginia Beach city, Virginia449,974

Oakland city, California433,031

Minneapolis city, Minnesota429,606

Tulsa city, Oklahoma401,190

Tampa city, Florida399,700

Arlington city, Texas398,854

New Orleans city, Louisiana390,144

Wichita city, Kansas389,938

Bakersfield city, California384,145

Cleveland city, Ohio381,009

Aurora city, Colorado379,289

Anaheim city, California350,365

Urban Honolulu CDP, Hawaii345,064

Santa Ana city, California332,318

Riverside city, California331,360

Corpus Christi city, Texas326,586

Lexington-Fayette urban county, Kentucky323,152

Henderson city, Nevada320,189

Stockton city, California312,697

St. Paul city, Minnesota308,096

Cincinnati city, Ohio303,940

St. Louis city, Missouri300,576

Pittsburgh city, Pennsylvania300,286

Greensboro city, North Carolina296,710

Lincoln city, Nebraska289,102

Anchorage municipality, Alaska288,000

Plano city, Texas287,677

Orlando city, Florida287,442

Irvine city, California287,401

Newark city, New Jersey282,011

Durham city, North Carolina278,993

Chula Vista city, California274,492

Toledo city, Ohio272,779

Fort Wayne city, Indiana270,402

St. Petersburg city, Florida265,351

Laredo city, Texas262,491

Jersey City city, New Jersey262,075

Chandler city, Arizona261,165

Madison city, Wisconsin259,680

Lubbock city, Texas258,862

Scottsdale city, Arizona258,069

Reno city, Nevada255,601

Buffalo city, New York255,284

Gilbert town, Arizona254,114

Glendale city, Arizona252,381

North Las Vegas city, Nevada251,974

Winston-Salem city, North Carolina247,945

Chesapeake city, Virginia244,835

Norfolk city, Virginia242,742

Fremont city, California241,110

Garland city, Texas239,928

Irving city, Texas239,798

Hialeah city, Florida233,339

Richmond city, Virginia230,436

Boise City city, Idaho228,959

Spokane city, Washington222,081

Baton Rouge city, Louisiana220,236

Tacoma city, Washington217,827

San Bernardino city, California215,784

Modesto city, California215,196

Fontana city, California214,547

Des Moines city, Iowa214,237

Moreno Valley city, California213,055

Santa Clarita city, California212,979

Fayetteville city, North Carolina211,657

Birmingham city, Alabama209,403

Oxnard city, California208,881

Rochester city, New York205,695

Port St. Lucie city, Florida201,846

Grand Rapids city, Michigan201,013

Huntsville city, Alabama200,574

Salt Lake City city, Utah200,567

Frisco city, Texas200,490

Yonkers city, New York200,370

Amarillo city, Texas199,371

Glendale city, California199,303

Huntington Beach city, California199,223

McKinney city, Texas199,177

Montgomery city, Alabama198,525

Augusta-Richmond County consolidated government (balance), Georgia197,888

Aurora city, Illinois197,757

Akron city, Ohio197,597

Little Rock city, Arkansas197,312

Tempe city, Arizona195,805

Columbus city, Georgia195,769

Overland Park city, Kansas195,494

Grand Prairie city, Texas194,543

Tallahassee city, Florida194,500

Cape Coral city, Florida194,495

Mobile city, Alabama188,720

Knoxville city, Tennessee187,603

Shreveport city, Louisiana187,112

Worcester city, Massachusetts185,428

Ontario city, California185,010

Vancouver city, Washington184,463

Sioux Falls city, South Dakota183,793

Chattanooga city, Tennessee182,799

Brownsville city, Texas182,781

Fort Lauderdale city, Florida182,437

Providence city, Rhode Island179,883

Newport News city, Virginia179,225

Rancho Cucamonga city, California177,603

Santa Rosa city, California176,753

Peoria city, Arizona175,961

Oceanside city, California175,742

Elk Grove city, California174,775

Salem city, Oregon174,365

Pembroke Pines city, Florida173,591

Eugene city, Oregon172,622

Garden Grove city, California171,644

Cary town, North Carolina170,282

Fort Collins city, Colorado170,243

Corona city, California169,868

Springfield city, Missouri167,882

Jackson city, Mississippi160,628

Alexandria city, Virginia159,428

Hayward city, California159,203

Clarksville city, Tennessee158,146

Lakewood city, Colorado157,935

Lancaster city, California157,601

Salinas city, California155,465

Palmdale city, California155,079

Hollywood city, Florida154,817

Springfield city, Massachusetts153,606

Macon-Bibb County, Georgia153,159

Kansas City city, Kansas152,960

Sunnyvale city, California152,703

Pomona city, California151,691

Killeen city, Texas151,666

Escondido city, California151,625

Pasadena city, Texas151,227

Naperville city, Illinois148,449

Bellevue city, Washington148,164

Joliet city, Illinois147,344

Murfreesboro city, Tennessee146,900

Midland city, Texas146,038

Rockford city, Illinois145,609

Paterson city, New Jersey145,233

Savannah city, Georgia144,464

Bridgeport city, Connecticut144,399

Torrance city, California143,592

McAllen city, Texas143,268

Syracuse city, New York142,327

Surprise city, Arizona141,664

Denton city, Texas141,541

Roseville city, California141,500

Thornton city, Colorado141,464

Miramar city, Florida141,191

Pasadena city, California141,029

Mesquite city, Texas140,937

Olathe city, Kansas140,545

Dayton city, Ohio140,407

Carrollton city, Texas139,248

Waco city, Texas139,236

Orange city, California138,669

Fullerton city, California138,632

Charleston city, South Carolina137,566

West Valley City city, Utah135,248

Visalia city, California134,605

Hampton city, Virginia134,510

Gainesville city, Florida133,997

Warren city, Michigan133,943

Coral Springs city, Florida133,759

Cedar Rapids city, Iowa133,562

Round Rock city, Texas133,372

Sterling Heights city, Michigan132,438

Kent city, Washington132,319

Columbia city, South Carolina131,674

Santa Clara city, California130,365

New Haven city, Connecticut130,250

Stamford city, Connecticut129,638

Concord city, California129,295

Elizabeth city, New Jersey129,216

Athens-Clarke County unified government (balance), Georgia126,913

Thousand Oaks city, California126,813

Lafayette city, Louisiana126,185

Simi Valley city, California125,613

Topeka city, Kansas125,310

Norman city, Oklahoma124,880

Fargo city, North Dakota124,662

Wilmington city, North Carolina123,744

Abilene city, Texas123,420

Odessa city, Texas123,334

Columbia city, Missouri123,195

Pearland city, Texas122,460

Victorville city, California122,385

Hartford city, Connecticut122,105

Vallejo city, California121,692

Allentown city, Pennsylvania121,442

Berkeley city, California121,363

Richardson city, Texas121,323

Arvada city, Colorado121,272

Ann Arbor city, Michigan119,980

Rochester city, Minnesota118,935

Cambridge city, Massachusetts118,927

Sugar Land city, Texas118,488

Lansing city, Michigan118,210

Evansville city, Indiana117,979

College Station city, Texas117,911

Fairfield city, California117,133

Clearwater city, Florida116,946

Beaumont city, Texas116,825

Independence city, Missouri116,672

Provo city, Utah116,618

West Jordan city, Utah116,480

Murrieta city, California116,223

Palm Bay city, Florida115,552

El Monte city, California115,487

Carlsbad city, California115,382

North Charleston city, South Carolina115,382

Temecula city, California114,761

Clovis city, California114,584

Springfield city, Illinois114,230

Meridian city, Idaho114,161

Westminster city, Colorado113,166

Costa Mesa city, California113,003

High Point city, North Carolina112,791

Manchester city, New Hampshire112,673

Pueblo city, Colorado112,361

Lakeland city, Florida112,136

Pompano Beach city, Florida112,118

West Palm Beach city, Florida111,955

Antioch city, California111,502

Everett city, Washington111,475

Downey city, California111,126

Lowell city, Massachusetts110,997

Centennial city, Colorado110,937

Elgin city, Illinois110,849

Richmond city, California110,567

Peoria city, Illinois110,417

Broken Arrow city, Oklahoma110,198

Miami Gardens city, Florida110,001

Billings city, Montana109,577

Jurupa Valley city, California109,527

Sandy Springs city, Georgia109,452

Gresham city, Oregon109,381

Lewisville city, Texas109,212

Hillsboro city, Oregon109,128

San Buenaventura (Ventura) city, California109,106

Greeley city, Colorado108,649

Inglewood city, California108,151

Waterbury city, Connecticut107,568

League City city, Texas107,536

Santa Maria city, California107,263

Tyler city, Texas106,985

Davie town, Florida106,306

Daly City city, California106,280

Boulder city, Colorado105,673

Allen city, Texas105,623

West Covina city, California105,101

Sparks city, Nevada105,006

Wichita Falls city, Texas104,683

Green Bay city, Wisconsin104,578

San Mateo city, California104,430

Norwalk city, California103,949

Rialto city, California103,526

Las Cruces city, New Mexico103,432

Chico city, California103,301

El Cajon city, California102,708

Burbank city, California102,511

South Bend city, Indiana102,026

Renton city, Washington101,751

Vista city, California101,638

Davenport city, Iowa101,590

Edinburg city, Texas101,170

Tuscaloosa city, Alabama101,129

Carmel city, Indiana101,068

Spokane Valley city, Washington101,060

San Angelo city, Texas101,004

Vacaville city, California100,670

Bend city, Oregon100,421

Kenosha city, Wisconsin99,944

Boca Raton city, Florida99,805

Lee's Summit city, Missouri99,357

Nampa city, Idaho99,277

Rio Rancho city, New Mexico99,178

South Fulton city, Georgia99,155

Roanoke city, Virginia99,143

Beaverton city, Oregon99,037

Yuma city, Arizona98,285

Lawrence city, Kansas98,193

Orem city, Utah97,828

Longmont city, Colorado97,261

San Marcos city, California96,664

Albany city, New York96,460

Sandy city, Utah96,380

Concord city, North Carolina96,341

Federal Way city, Washington96,289

Hesperia city, California95,750

Brockton city, Massachusetts95,708

Compton city, California95,605

Flint city, Michigan95,538

Erie city, Pennsylvania95,508

New Bedford city, Massachusetts95,363

Fishers city, Indiana95,310

Sunrise city, Florida95,166

Roswell city, Georgia94,763

Menifee city, California94,756

Tracy city, California94,740

Plantation city, Florida94,580

Quincy city, Massachusetts94,470

Portsmouth city, Virginia94,398

Mission Viejo city, California94,381

Chino city, California94,371

Lynn city, Massachusetts94,299

Edmond city, Oklahoma94,054

Dearborn city, Michigan93,932

Livonia city, Michigan93,665

Yakima city, Washington93,637

South Gate city, California93,444

Greenville city, North Carolina93,400

Lawton city, Oklahoma93,025

Kirkland city, Washington93,010

Asheville city, North Carolina92,870

Deltona city, Florida92,757

Redding city, California92,590

Bellingham city, Washington92,314

Suffolk city, Virginia92,108

Indio city, California91,765

Mount Pleasant town, South Carolina91,684

Carson city, California91,394

Santa Barbara city, California91,364

Conroe city, Texas91,079

Westminster city, California90,643

Santa Monica city, California90,401

New Braunfels city, Texas90,209

Livermore city, California90,189

Palm Coast city, Florida89,800

St. George city, Utah89,587

Fall River city, Massachusetts89,541

Nashua city, New Hampshire89,355

Champaign city, Illinois88,909

Miami Beach city, Florida88,885

Norwalk city, Connecticut88,816

San Leandro city, California88,815

O'Fallon city, Missouri88,673

Newton city, Massachusetts88,414

Reading city, Pennsylvania88,375

Avondale city, Arizona87,931

Fort Smith city, Arkansas87,891

Citrus Heights city, California87,796

Ogden city, Utah87,773

Fayetteville city, Arkansas87,590

Fort Myers city, Florida87,103

Goodyear city, Arizona86,840

Bryan city, Texas86,276

Waukegan city, Illinois86,075

Hawthorne city, California86,068

Redwood City city, California85,925

Hoover city, Alabama85,768

Bloomington city, Indiana85,755

Duluth city, Minnesota85,618

Lake Forest city, California85,531

Hemet city, California85,334

Whittier city, California85,098

Clifton city, New Jersey85,052

Largo city, Florida84,948

Bloomington city, Minnesota84,943

Danbury city, Connecticut84,694

Santa Fe city, New Mexico84,683

Johns Creek city, Georgia84,579

Newport Beach city, California84,534

Kennewick city, Washington84,347

Mission city, Texas84,331

Milpitas city, California84,196

Troy city, Michigan84,092

Chino Hills city, California83,853

Alhambra city, California83,750

Merced city, California83,676

Trenton city, New Jersey83,203

Franklin city, Tennessee83,097

Medford city, Oregon83,072

Melbourne city, Florida83,029

Manteca city, California83,028

Mountain View city, California82,739

Sioux City city, Iowa82,651

Lynchburg city, Virginia82,168

Buena Park city, California81,788

Pleasanton city, California81,777

Longview city, Texas81,631

Westland city, Michigan81,511

Auburn city, Washington81,464

Cranston city, Rhode Island81,456

Somerville city, Massachusetts81,360

Folsom city, California81,328

Springdale city, Arkansas81,125

Deerfield Beach city, Florida81,066

Warwick city, Rhode Island81,004

Cicero town, Illinois80,796

Farmington Hills city, Michigan80,612

Brooklyn Park city, Minnesota80,389

Lawrence city, Massachusetts80,028

Plymouth city, Minnesota79,768

Buckeye city, Arizona79,620

Georgetown city, Texas79,604

Cedar Park city, Texas79,462

Tustin city, California79,348

Lakewood city, California79,307

Perris city, California79,291

Flower Mound town, Texas79,135

Pharr city, Texas79,112

Loveland city, Colorado78,877

Boynton Beach city, Florida78,679

New Rochelle city, New York78,557

Temple city, Texas78,439

Lake Charles city, Louisiana78,396

Jonesboro city, Arkansas78,394

Napa city, California78,130

Parma city, Ohio78,103

Layton city, Utah78,014

Alameda city, California77,624

Warner Robins city, Georgia77,617

Rapid City city, South Dakota77,503

Bloomington city, Illinois77,330

Gastonia city, North Carolina77,273

Baytown city, Texas77,192

Upland city, California77,140

Racine city, Wisconsin76,760

Scranton city, Pennsylvania76,653

South Jordan city, Utah76,598

Bellflower city, California76,435

Kalamazoo city, Michigan76,200

San Ramon city, California75,995

Bethlehem city, Pennsylvania75,815

Wyoming city, Michigan75,667

Hammond city, Indiana75,522

Missoula city, Montana75,516

Missouri City city, Texas75,457

Pasco city, Washington75,432

Baldwin Park city, California75,251

Iowa City city, Iowa75,130

Rancho Cordova city, California75,087

Rock Hill city, South Carolina75,048

Flagstaff city, Arizona75,038

Gary city, Indiana74,879

St. Joseph city, Missouri74,875

Arlington Heights village, Illinois74,760

Bolingbrook village, Illinois74,545

Rochester Hills city, Michigan74,516

Framingham city, Massachusetts74,416

Union City city, California74,107

Appleton city, Wisconsin74,098

Turlock city, California73,631

Camden city, New Jersey73,562

Bismarck city, North Dakota73,529

Evanston city, Illinois73,473

Apple Valley town, California73,453

Schaumburg village, Illinois72,887

Woodbury city, Minnesota72,828

Kissimmee city, Florida72,717

Southfield city, Michigan72,689

Maple Grove city, Minnesota72,622

Pittsburg city, California72,588

New Britain city, Connecticut72,495

Jacksonville city, North Carolina72,436

Mansfield city, Texas72,419

Waukesha city, Wisconsin72,299

Frederick city, Maryland72,244

Albany city, Georgia72,130

Pawtucket city, Rhode Island72,117

Redmond city, Washington71,929

Lauderhill city, Florida71,868

Lafayette city, Indiana71,721

Gulfport city, Mississippi71,705

Redlands city, California71,513

Weston city, Florida71,166

St. Charles city, Missouri71,028

Decatur city, Illinois70,746

North Port city, Florida70,724

North Richland Hills city, Texas70,670

Greenville city, South Carolina70,635

Bowling Green city, Kentucky70,543

Broomfield city, Colorado70,465

Canton city, Ohio70,447

Marysville city, Washington70,298

Walnut Creek city, California70,166

Wilmington city, Delaware70,166

Camarillo city, California69,888

Lynwood city, California69,887

Lehi city, Utah69,724

Passaic city, New Jersey69,703

Homestead city, Florida69,523

Delray Beach city, Florida69,451

Davis city, California69,413

Lake Elsinore city, California69,283

Daytona Beach city, Florida69,186

Dothan city, Alabama68,941

Rocklin city, California68,823

Eau Claire city, Wisconsin68,802

Rogers city, Arkansas68,669

Castle Rock town, Colorado68,484

St. Cloud city, Minnesota68,462

Bossier City city, Louisiana68,159

Rockville city, Maryland68,079

Muncie city, Indiana67,999

Gaithersburg city, Maryland67,985

Union City city, New Jersey67,982

West Des Moines city, Iowa67,899

South San Francisco city, California67,789

Yorba Linda city, California67,644

Conway city, Arkansas67,638

Lodi city, California67,586

Palatine village, Illinois67,482

Ankeny city, Iowa67,355

Mount Vernon city, New York67,345

Rowlett city, Texas67,339

Waterloo city, Iowa67,328

Lakeville city, Minnesota67,317

Alpharetta city, Georgia67,213

Jackson city, Tennessee67,191

Yuba City city, California67,010

Oshkosh city, Wisconsin67,004

Victoria city, Texas66,916

Johnson City city, Tennessee66,906

Redondo Beach city, California66,749

Tamarac city, Florida66,721

Laguna Niguel city, California66,385

Eagan city, Minnesota66,372

Kenner city, Louisiana66,340

Auburn city, Alabama66,259

Ames city, Iowa66,258

Portland city, Maine66,215

North Little Rock city, Arkansas65,903

Sammamish city, Washington65,892

Madera city, California65,860

Shawnee city, Kansas65,807

Jupiter town, Florida65,791

Doral city, Florida65,741

Blaine city, Minnesota65,607

Tulare city, California65,496

Youngstown city, Ohio65,469

Wellington village, Florida65,398

Pflugerville city, Texas65,380

Palo Alto city, California65,364

Schenectady city, New York65,273

Harlingen city, Texas65,022

Bayonne city, New Jersey64,897

Eden Prairie city, Minnesota64,893

Port Orange city, Florida64,842

Dublin city, California64,826

San Marcos city, Texas64,776

Noblesville city, Indiana64,668

Santa Cruz city, California64,608

Janesville city, Wisconsin64,575

San Clemente city, California64,558

Brentwood city, California64,474

East Orange city, New Jersey64,367

Cheyenne city, Wyoming64,235

Eastvale city, California64,157

Chapel Hill town, North Carolina64,051

Haverhill city, Massachusetts64,014

Lorain city, Ohio63,855

Grand Junction city, Colorado63,597

Springfield city, Oregon63,230

Coon Rapids city, Minnesota62,998

Idaho Falls city, Idaho62,888

North Miami city, Florida62,822

Encinitas city, California62,709

Skokie village, Illinois62,700

Leander city, Texas62,608

Waltham city, Massachusetts62,495

Council Bluffs city, Iowa62,166

Hamilton city, Ohio62,082

Moore city, Oklahoma62,055

Pico Rivera city, California62,027

Montebello city, California61,954

Millcreek city, Utah61,450

Sanford city, Florida61,448

National City city, California61,394

Burnsville city, Minnesota61,339

Coconut Creek city, Florida61,248

Lakewood city, Washington61,037

Taylor city, Michigan60,922

Novi city, Michigan60,896

Marietta city, Georgia60,867

Ocala city, Florida60,786

Terre Haute city, Indiana60,622

Woodland city, California60,548

Petaluma city, California60,520

La Habra city, California60,513

Malden city, Massachusetts60,470

Commerce City city, Colorado60,336

Owensboro city, Kentucky60,131

Bristol city, Connecticut59,947

West Allis city, Wisconsin59,890

Taylorsville city, Utah59,805

Utica city, New York59,750

Monterey Park city, California59,669

Bonita Springs city, Florida59,637

Porterville city, California59,599

Greenwood city, Indiana59,458

Bartlett city, Tennessee59,440

Bradenton city, Florida59,439

Vineland city, New Jersey59,439

Pontiac city, Michigan59,438

Meriden city, Connecticut59,395

Gardena city, California59,329

Apex town, North Carolina59,300

Royal Oak city, Michigan59,277

Cupertino city, California59,276

Lancaster city, Pennsylvania59,265

La Mesa city, California59,249

Gilroy city, California59,032

St. Clair Shores city, Michigan58,984

Des Plaines city, Illinois58,899

Springfield city, Ohio58,877

Corvallis city, Oregon58,856

Margate city, Florida58,796

Bowie city, Maryland58,643

Casa Grande city, Arizona58,632

Caldwell city, Idaho58,481

San Rafael city, California58,440

Great Falls city, Montana58,434

Sarasota city, Florida58,285

Richland city, Washington58,225

St. Peters city, Missouri58,212

Hendersonville city, Tennessee58,113

White Plains city, New York58,109

Huntersville town, North Carolina58,098

Santee city, California58,081

Kokomo city, Indiana58,020

Arcadia city, California57,939

Casper city, Wyoming57,931

Dubuque city, Iowa57,882

Orland Park village, Illinois57,857

Weymouth Town city, Massachusetts57,746

Parker town, Colorado57,706

Palm Beach Gardens city, Florida57,704

Hanford city, California57,703

Huntington Park city, California57,509

Taunton city, Massachusetts57,464

Midwest City city, Oklahoma57,407

Medford city, Massachusetts57,341

Euless city, Texas57,197

Shoreline city, Washington57,027

Smyrna city, Georgia56,666

Pocatello city, Idaho56,637

Valdosta city, Georgia56,457

Carson City, Nevada55,916

Lake Havasu City city, Arizona55,865

Grand Forks city, North Dakota55,839

Blue Springs city, Missouri55,829

Southaven city, Mississippi55,780

Tinley Park village, Illinois55,773

Diamond Bar city, California55,720

New Brunswick city, New Jersey55,676

Lenexa city, Kansas55,625

Brookhaven city, Georgia55,554

Novato city, California55,516

Tigard city, Oregon55,514

Highland city, California55,417

Fountain Valley city, California55,357

Dearborn Heights city, Michigan55,353

Albany city, Oregon55,338

Grapevine city, Texas55,281

Apple Valley city, Minnesota55,135

Chicopee city, Massachusetts55,126

Hempstead village, New York55,113

Oak Lawn village, Illinois55,022

Cathedral City city, California55,007

Bentonville city, Arkansas54,909

Stonecrest city, Georgia54,903

Kettering city, Ohio54,855

Colton city, California54,824

Anderson city, Indiana54,765

West Haven city, Connecticut54,620

Burlington city, North Carolina54,606

Manhattan city, Kansas54,604

St. Cloud city, Florida54,579

Normal town, Illinois54,469

Decatur city, Alabama54,445

Berwyn city, Illinois54,391

Port Arthur city, Texas54,280

Kingsport city, Tennessee54,127

Minnetonka city, Minnesota54,064

Rosemead city, California54,058

Paramount city, California53,955

Rocky Mount city, North Carolina53,922

Yucaipa city, California53,921

Watsonville city, California53,856

Elyria city, Ohio53,757

Leesburg town, Virginia53,727

Mount Prospect village, Illinois53,719

Pinellas Park city, Florida53,637

Delano city, California53,573

Bellevue city, Nebraska53,544

West Sacramento city, California53,519

Apopka city, Florida53,447

Palm Desert city, California53,275

Milford city (balance), Connecticut53,195

Little Elm city, Texas53,126

Revere city, Massachusetts53,073

Peabody city, Massachusetts53,070

Wylie city, Texas53,067

Harrisonburg city, Virginia53,016

DeSoto city, Texas52,988

Pensacola city, Florida52,975

Olympia city, Washington52,882

Edina city, Minnesota52,857

Wheaton city, Illinois52,745

West New York town, New Jersey52,723

Hoboken city, New Jersey52,677

Lacey city, Washington52,592

Summerville town, South Carolina52,549

Coeur d'Alene city, Idaho52,414

Oak Park village, Illinois52,381

Elkhart city, Indiana52,358

Maricopa city, Arizona52,127

Kentwood city, Michigan51,898

Madison city, Alabama51,593

Smyrna town, Tennessee51,586

Glendora city, California51,544

Logan city, Utah51,542

Burien city, Washington51,500

Perth Amboy city, New Jersey51,390

Herriman city, Utah51,348

Grand Island city, Nebraska51,267

Placentia city, California51,233

La Crosse city, Wisconsin51,227

Battle Creek city, Michigan51,093

Beaumont city, California51,063

Collierville town, Tennessee51,040

West Lafayette city, Indiana50,996

Florissant city, Missouri50,952

Hoffman Estates village, Illinois50,932

Joplin city, Missouri50,925

Queen Creek town, Arizona50,890

Aliso Viejo city, California50,887

Kannapolis city, North Carolina50,841

Methuen Town city, Massachusetts50,706

Galveston city, Texas50,446

Mishawaka city, Indiana50,363

Plainfield city, New Jersey50,317

Newark city, Ohio50,315

Stillwater city, Oklahoma50,299

Twin Falls city, Idaho50,197

Texas City city, Texas50,094

Cerritos city, California49,859

Coral Gables city, Florida49,700

Enid city, Oklahoma49,688

Lakewood city, Ohio49,678

Troy city, New York49,154

Saginaw city, Michigan48,115

Niagara Falls city, New York47,720

Charleston city, West Virginia46,536

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Oy, that list is so irrelevant without metro populations.

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What's interesting is that America's largest suburb (Mesa, AZ with 518,012) is small compared to the much larger Ecatepec (Mexico's largest suburb at 1,658,806) and moderately larger Mississauga (Canada's largest suburb at 828,854).  Yet Ecatepec and Mississauga are both urbanizing faster than Mesa.  Ecatepec just built the Mexicable Cable Car and Mississauga is building the Hurontario LRT.  Meanwhile, in Mesa, a LRT expansion that goes through the heart of...uhh..."downtown."

 

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2 hours ago, ColDayMan said:

The full list, FYI:

 

How can you call that a full list if the cities between 46,536 and 5,000 are not included?

 

Aren't they the true heart of America? 🙃

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^^^^^^

It is so cool to see Newark make that list. Newark recently went over the 50,000 population mark.  The city has seen a TON of investment and is growing steadily.  Lots of positive things going on here.  The people here seem to really be embracing the revitalization that's been taking place and that's the key.  People have a different pep in their step nowadays it seems.   

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11 hours ago, ColDayMan said:

The full list, FYI:

 

9 hours ago, Columbo said:

How can you call that a full list if the cities between 46,536 and 5,000 are not included?

Isn’t Dublin higher than 46k?  I don’t see it.  Am I wrong?

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14 minutes ago, TH3BUDDHA said:

 

Isn’t Dublin higher than 46k?  I don’t see it.  Am I wrong?

 

That list shows cities that had 50,000 but dropped into the upper 40s as of 2019.  Dublin hasn't reached 50,000 yet (currently 48,647).


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19 minutes ago, ColDayMan said:

 

That list shows cities that had 50,000 but dropped into the upper 40s as of 2019.  Dublin hasn't reached 50,000 yet (currently 48,647).

Yea, I didnt realize this was just a list of all cities above 50k.  Don't mind me over here being an idiot thinking you just arbitrarily chose 46k as your cutoff point.

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Central Ohio Population Change 2010-2019:

Columbus City: 787,033 - 898,553; +14.2%

Franklin County: 1,163,414 - 1,316,756; +13.2%

Columbus MSA: 1,901,974 - 2,122,271; +11.58%

 

Southwest Ohio Population Change 2010-2019:

Cincinnati City: 296,945 - 303,940; +2.4%

Hamilton County: 802,374 - 817,473; +1.9%

Cincinnati MSA: 2,137,667 - 2,221,208; +3.91%

 

Northeast Ohio Population Change 2010-2019:

Cleveland City: 396,815 - 381,009; -4.0%

Cuyahoga County: 1,280,122 - 1,235,072; -3.5%

Cleveland MSA: 2,077,240 - 2,048,449; -1.39%

 

Core County as % of MSA:

Franklin County: 62%

Hamilton County: 37%

Cuyahoga County: 60%

 

Core County Population Change Impact on MSA:

Franklin County: +153,342; 70% of MSA pop increase (+220,297)

Hamilton County: +15,099; 18% of MSA pop increase (+83,541)

Cuyahoga County: -45,050; 156% of pop decrease (-28,791)

 

Population Density of Core County 2010-2019:

Franklin County: 2,187 - 2,475; +13.2%

Hamilton County: 1,976 - 2,013; +2.8%

Cuyahoga County: 2,801 - 2,703; -3.5%

                             

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Speaking of Newark being over 50k and Dublin approaching it, what are the stipulations for a suburb to become part of the MSA name?  Similar to how Cleveland is Cleveland-Elyria, will we be seeing a Columbus-Newark or Columbus-Dublin anytime soon?  I'm not really sure how that works and if it even has anything to do with the size of the suburb.

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The title of each MSA consists of the names of up to three of its central cities and the name of each State into which the MSA extends. However, a central city is not included in an MSA title unless it has at least one-third the population of the area’s largest city or local opinion supports its inclusion.

 

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What's the story on Lakewood? I would have expected it to hold more stable since 2010. Hopefully the actual census will show them staying about 50,000.

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3 minutes ago, ink said:

What's the story on Lakewood? I would have expected it to hold more stable since 2010. Hopefully the actual census will show them staying about 50,000.

I'm interested as well.  I took a software development job up in Seven Hills after graduating from Ohio State a couple years ago.  Worked there for around 8 months before taking another offer back in Columbus.  I lived in Lakewood pretty close to that Barrio and it seemed like your hip, near downtown suburb where a lot of young professional families lived.  Essentially, people who would like to be in the city, but need to send their kids to a better school.  I'm not sure if people agree, but I usually compare it to Grandview.  Seems like there is a lot of improvement going on in Cleveland catered towards young professionals.  If that's the case, you'd think places like Lakewood would be thriving.

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20 minutes ago, ink said:

What's the story on Lakewood? I would have expected it to hold more stable since 2010. Hopefully the actual census will show them staying about 50,000.

 

5 minutes ago, TH3BUDDHA said:

I'm interested as well.  I took a software development job up in Seven Hills after graduating from Ohio State a couple years ago.  Worked there for around 8 months before taking another offer back in Columbus.  I lived in Lakewood pretty close to that Barrio and it seemed like your hip, near downtown suburb where a lot of young professional families lived.  Essentially, people who would like to be in the city, but need to send their kids to a better school.  I'm not sure if people agree, but I usually compare it to Grandview.  Seems like there is a lot of improvement going on in Cleveland catered towards young professionals.  If that's the case, you'd think places like Lakewood would be thriving.

 

Well, the MSA and CSA are still in decline so it isn't surprising that Lakewood is also showing a slow-ish decline.  It would be surprising if the MSA and CSA were growing and Lakewood showed a decline.


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52 minutes ago, TH3BUDDHA said:

Speaking of Newark being over 50k and Dublin approaching it, what are the stipulations for a suburb to become part of the MSA name?  Similar to how Cleveland is Cleveland-Elyria, will we be seeing a Columbus-Newark or Columbus-Dublin anytime soon?  I'm not really sure how that works and if it even has anything to do with the size of the suburb.

 

I have wondered this as well...specifically because Newark is already part of a "micropolitan area" so to speak.  The Newark/Heath/Granville/Hanover area, in my opinion, should have always been its own MSA.  Newark has 50,000 people, Heath has 11,000 people, Granville has 6,000 people and Hanover has 1200 people.....all within 3 miles of each other for an area of roughly 70,000 people.   The Greater Newark Area should absolutely remain in the CSA, but i wonder if they will split the Greater Newark Area off and form its own MSA?  If they don't, it literally wont hurt a thing, but i do think its sort of ridiculous that Newark is never featured as part of the Columbus MSA.  Moving forward, the Columbus MSA should be labeled as Columbus/Newark/Delaware in my humble opinion.  Good question!!!

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1 minute ago, OhioFinest said:

 

I have wondered this as well...specifically because Newark is already part of a "micropolitan area" so to speak.  The Newark/Heath/Granville/Hanover area, in my opinion, should have always been its own MSA.  Newark has 50,000 people, Heath has 11,000 people, Granville has 6,000 people and Hanover has 1200 people.....all within 3 miles of each other for an area of roughly 70,000 people.   The Greater Newark Area should absolutely remain in the CSA, but i wonder if they will split the Greater Newark Area off and form its own MSA?  If they don't, it literally wont hurt a thing, but i do think its sort of ridiculous that Newark is never featured as part of the Columbus MSA.  Moving forward, the Columbus MSA should be labeled as Columbus/Newark/Delaware in my humble opinion.  Good question!!!

 

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The title of each MSA consists of the names of up to three of its central cities and the name of each State into which the MSA extends. However, a central city is not included in an MSA title unless it has at least one-third the population of the area’s largest city or local opinion supports its inclusion.

 

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2 minutes ago, OhioFinest said:

 

I have wondered this as well...specifically because Newark is already part of a "micropolitan area" so to speak.  The Newark/Heath/Granville/Hanover area, in my opinion, should have always been its own MSA.  Newark has 50,000 people, Heath has 11,000 people, Granville has 6,000 people and Hanover has 1200 people.....all within 3 miles of each other for an area of roughly 70,000 people.   The Greater Newark Area should absolutely remain in the CSA, but i wonder if they will split the Greater Newark Area off and form its own MSA?  If they don't, it literally wont hurt a thing, but i do think its sort of ridiculous that Newark is never featured as part of the Columbus MSA.  Moving forward, the Columbus MSA should be labeled as Columbus/Newark/Delaware in my humble opinion.  Good question!!!

 

MSAs are largely determined based on commuting patterns. The Newark area is very much a part of the Columbus MSA. 

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51 minutes ago, ink said:

What's the story on Lakewood? I would have expected it to hold more stable since 2010. Hopefully the actual census will show them staying about 50,000.

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3 minutes ago, cbussoccer said:

 

MSAs are largely determined based on commuting patterns. The Newark area is very much a part of the Columbus MSA. 

 

Thanks for helping me try and understand this from a MSA "branding" if you will.  I understand what you have both posted, but i'm still confused, because what you both posted suggests that Newark should have always been labeled as part of Columbus's MSA right?  Newark has been the largest suburb/exurb for many decades.  Why has the MSA labeling never featured Newark as a "central city"???  I'm just sort of curious as to why?  Hopefully Newark gets its due in the next census and some changes are made to the labeling of the Columbus MSA.  Good conversation!!!

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11 minutes ago, cbussoccer said:

 

MSAs are largely determined based on commuting patterns. The Newark area is very much a part of the Columbus MSA. 

Agree.  I can't tell you how many of my colleagues in my office (Nationwide) commute from Newark, Delaware, Marysville and even Hocking, as far out as that seems.  I just know in my 8 years every team I've been on has people from those locations.

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Agree.  I can't tell you how many of my colleagues in my office (Nationwide) commute from Newark, Delaware and even Hocking, as far out as that seems.  I just know in my 8 years every team I've been on has people from those locations.

 

I have many friends who work for Nationwide, L Brands etc etc....the widening of 161 really helped Newark grow because it took 15-20 mins off of the commute. It really brought Newark squarely into the metro if you will.  People from Newark now don't feel like they have to move to the contingent Columbus suburbs to work. 

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1 hour ago, ColDayMan said:

 

 

Well, the MSA and CSA are still in decline so it isn't surprising that Lakewood is also showing a slow-ish decline.  It would be surprising if the MSA and CSA were growing and Lakewood showed a decline.

Yea, not really a great sign for NE Ohio that areas that higher earners would live are also declining.  Looked at some of the affluent east side numbers and they all seem to be shrinking, too.  On the west side, Avon and Avon Lake showed small gains.  The data doesn't support what I've been told many times about more educated people moving in and less educated people moving out.  Maybe, I'm missing something.

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Well, it is possible for educated people to move into Lakewood and the less educated leaving...but it has to be MORE educated people moving into/less educated leaving, which is clearly not happening.  I believe Pittsburgh is experiencing the "smart decline" (educated moving in but more "less educated" people moving out).  The price of gentrification, I suppose.


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56 minutes ago, TH3BUDDHA said:

Yea, not really a great sign for NE Ohio that areas that higher earners would live are also declining.  Looked at some of the affluent east side numbers and they all seem to be shrinking, too.  On the west side, Avon and Avon Lake showed small gains.  The data doesn't support what I've been told many times about more educated people moving in and less educated people moving out.  Maybe, I'm missing something.

 

It is probably the case for Lakewood that the new households are smaller than the old households. A wealthy, college-educated family comes in with their 1.5 kids and fixes up a house that used to house a family of 6. My neighborhood in Cincinnati (Northside) has seen its population drop over the past few years as the number of housing units has slowly increased. But the poverty rate dropped significantly over that same time period and the percentage of the population with a degree skyrocketed.

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The reason Lakewood (and near west side city neighborhoods like Ohio City and Tremont until recently) have been declining while they explode with rehabs and attracting young professionals is similar to alot of other "gentrifying" neighborhoods. The household size and even the number of households has been declining. Lakewood in particular has seen a huge amount of doubles converted into SFHs that then have say a family of two move in. I see Lakewood as a place where families will stay to raise kids again. So as that household of two becomes a family of 3 and 4, the city's population overall will start climbing again. Ohio City and Tremont are starting to grow again not so much from families staying to raise kids, but from the tremendous amount of multifamily now being built.

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7 minutes ago, PoshSteve said:

The reason Lakewood (and near west side city neighborhoods like Ohio City and Tremont until recently) have been declining while they explode with rehabs and attracting young professionals is similar to alot of other "gentrifying" neighborhoods. The household size and even the number of households has been declining. Lakewood in particular has seen a huge amount of doubles converted into SFHs that then have say a family of two move in. I see Lakewood as a place where families will stay to raise kids again. So as that household of two becomes a family of 3 and 4, the city's population overall will start climbing again. Ohio City and Tremont are starting to grow again not so much from families staying to raise kids, but from the tremendous amount of multifamily now being built.

 

Agreed on all points except there are a lot more families moving into OHC and Tremont than before. Go to Lincoln Park on a Saturday or Sunday and see all of the youth sports leagues and families out and about. Those families and leagues didn't exist when I rented in Tremont over 10yrs ago.

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On 5/22/2020 at 12:58 PM, TH3BUDDHA said:

Yea, not really a great sign for NE Ohio that areas that higher earners would live are also declining.  Looked at some of the affluent east side numbers and they all seem to be shrinking, too.  On the west side, Avon and Avon Lake showed small gains.  The data doesn't support what I've been told many times about more educated people moving in and less educated people moving out.  Maybe, I'm missing something.

 

I wrote about the replacement of lower-income families with a higher income professional or two this December article about the impact that the Fifth Migration is having on Cleveland....

 

https://neo-trans.blogspot.com/2019/12/cleveland-got-lot-wealthier-in-just-3.html?m=0


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On 5/21/2020 at 6:13 PM, ColDayMan said:

The full list, FYI:

 

New York City, New York8,336,817

Los Angeles city, California3,979,576

Chicago city, Illinois2,693,976

Houston city, Texas2,320,268

Phoenix city, Arizona1,680,992

Philadelphia city, Pennsylvania1,584,064

San Antonio city, Texas1,547,253

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Hmm, my hometown had 75k in 2018....any idea why it's not on the list?

 

https://censusreporter.org/profiles/06000US3402907420-brick-township-ocean-county-nj/

 

 

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On 5/22/2020 at 12:58 PM, TH3BUDDHA said:

Yea, not really a great sign for NE Ohio that areas that higher earners would live are also declining.  Looked at some of the affluent east side numbers and they all seem to be shrinking, too.  On the west side, Avon and Avon Lake showed small gains.  The data doesn't support what I've been told many times about more educated people moving in and less educated people moving out.  Maybe, I'm missing something.

I know this is purely anecdotal, but the interesting thing I noticed when driving around in Avon, Avon Lake, Bainbridge, Chagrin and Hudson recently, was the amount of homes that were for sale. It definitely felt like a bit of a buyers market up there given the amount of choices that seemed to be in the area. I know it is anecdotal, but when I contrast it with some of the areas of Cincy that I am around on the NE side, I do not see nearly the volume of homes for sale in those areas. It is still a tight market. I am not sure what people see in Columbus, but I found it interesting. 

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At least for Cincinnati, we were likely around the current population 12 years ago. We went from 331,285 in 2000 to 296,945 in 2010. We are currently estimated at 303,940, which had to occur between 2000-2010.

 

I believe every other city listed has lost population from 2010 to present, but Cincinnati has slightly increased.

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Sorry if this a dumb question, but i'm going to ask it again.  Does anybody know officially, if Newark will now be considered its own MSA, since the City of Newark crossed the 50,000 mark and has a surrounding area of roughly 70,000 citizens? Or will it remain a part of the Columbus MSA?  Thanks!

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1 minute ago, OhioFinest said:

Sorry if this a dumb question, but i'm going to ask it again.  Does anybody know officially, if Newark will now be considered its own MSA, since the City of Newark crossed the 50,000 mark and has a surrounding area of roughly 70,000 citizens? Or will it remain a part of the Columbus MSA?  Thanks!

 

It will remain part of the Columbus MSA. It will never be its own MSA. 

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5 minutes ago, cbussoccer said:

 

It will remain part of the Columbus MSA. It will never be its own MSA. 

 

Interesting...and why is that exactly though?  I thought the criteria for an MSA, is a central city of at least 50,000 residents with surrounding communities?  The Newark/Heath/Granville area is roughly 70,000 residents.  I mean, it will never happen? If Akron and Canton have their own MSA's....why cant Newark?  You can see how Newark being the central city of 50,000+ people, with its own 2 suburbs of Heath (11,000) and Granville (6,000) could be seen as its own MSA? 

 

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4 minutes ago, OhioFinest said:

 

Interesting...and why is that exactly though?  I thought the criteria for an MSA, is a central city of at least 50,000 residents with surrounding communities?  The Newark/Heath/Granville area is roughly 70,000 residents.  I mean, it will never happen? If Akron and Canton have their own MSA's....why cant Newark?  You can see how Newark being the central city of 50,000+ people, with its own 2 suburbs of Heath (11,000) and Granville (6,000) could be seen as its own MSA? 

 

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There is more than just population of an area that is taken into account when defining MSAs. Commuting, economic, and social ties are all measured and taken into consideration. Newark (and Heath/Granville/Hebron/etc.) are all very  much a part of the core Columbus area. A large percentage of people in the areas you are talking about regularly travel to Columbus for purposes of working, shopping, recreation, or traveling.

 

If Newark was a couple hours away from Columbus, rather than a 35 minute drive, it could be its own MSA. But, because it is so close and so tied to Columbus, it will always be part of the Columbus MSA. 

 

I guess if the population of Newark area were to absolutely explode to like 400k, you could end up with a Columbus-Newark "metroplex", kind of like the DFW metroplex. 

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11 minutes ago, cbussoccer said:

 

There is more than just population of an area that is taken into account when defining MSAs. Commuting, economic, and social ties are all measured and taken into consideration. Newark (and Heath/Granville/Hebron/etc.) are all very  much a part of the core Columbus area. A large percentage of people in the areas you are talking about regularly travel to Columbus for purposes of working, shopping, recreation, or traveling.

 

If Newark was a couple hours away from Columbus, rather than a 35 minute drive, it could be its own MSA. But, because it is so close and so tied to Columbus, it will always be part of the Columbus MSA. 

 

I guess if the population of Newark area were to absolutely explode to like 400k, you could end up with a Columbus-Newark "metroplex", kind of like the DFW metroplex. 

I hear you, and i'm seriously not trying to argue with you, but how is Newark never mentioned as a central city in the Columbus MSA?  At the very least, this should absolutely change.  For example...see the Official Ohio MSA list for Columbus below.  How is Newark at the very least, not its own Micropolitan area like the ones listed?  It just doesn't make any sense to me.  Newark has been growing steadily over decades...at what point do we at least get a Columbus-Newark-Delaware CSA?  Good conversation...i always find this stuff fascinating. lol

 

 

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4 minutes ago, OhioFinest said:

I hear you, and i'm seriously not trying to argue with you, but how is Newark never mentioned as a central city in the Columbus MSA?  At the very least, this should absolutely change.  For example...see the Official Ohio MSA list for Columbus below.  How is Newark at the very least, not its own Micropolitan area like the ones listed?  It just doesn't make any sense to me.  Newark has been growing steadily over decades...at what point do we at least get a Columbus/Newark/Delaware MSA?  Good conversation...i always find this stuff fascinating. lol

 

 

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Again, the Newark area is much too intertwined with Columbus to be an independent micropolitan statistical area. Zanesville, Chillicothe, Marion, etc. are all far enough away from Columbus to have their own regional pull. Places like Newark, Lancaster, or Marysville are much too close and intertwined with Columbus to have that type of pull. This is not an insult to Newark or Lancaster or anywhere else, it's just the way it is. Newark is also in a county that falls within the Columbus MSA. Zanesville, Chillicothe, etc. are all in counties that are not included in the Columbus MSA but are included in the CSA. 

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15 hours ago, surfohio said:

 

Hmm, my hometown had 75k in 2018....any idea why it's not on the list?

 

https://censusreporter.org/profiles/06000US3402907420-brick-township-ocean-county-nj/

 

 

 

Townships aren't included. There's a separate category for "minor civil division" that includes townships. You can scroll down and select New Jersey. 

 

https://www.census.gov/data/tables/time-series/demo/popest/2010s-total-cities-and-towns.html
 

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That list is a little wonky because of how Ohio's townships work. For example, only about 5,000 people actually live in the unincorporated parts of Beavercreek Township. Most of them are in the incorporated city of Beavercreek, or in parts of Fairborn or Xenia, which both have sections taken out of the township. The same is true with both Washington and Miami Townships. 


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State population growth from 2010-2019 = ~153k

Columbus MSA population growth from 2010-2019 = ~220k

Non-Columbus MSA population change from 2010-2019 = -~67k

 

Pretty remarkable.

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Very Stable Genius

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