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20 minutes ago, surfohio said:

Questions:

 

When I visited the 'Wood recently I was shocked to see 1. the live salsa music club that Barroco folks were opening turned into a bridal shop, and 2. the Dispensary turned into a very strange looking and perhaps atomic bomb-proof residential building. I read news online 18 hours a day, every day. So why the hell didn't I know these things happened?

 

Because Sun Newspapers has gone away. No one covered Lakewood better than we did back in the day (ie: before 2010 or so). 

 

And it's not just Lakewood. I realize that @mjarboe is on maternity leave. But so far only Stan Bullard at Crain's has reported on the downsizing of nuCLEus (other than my blog, which reported it first). And no one has yet to report on the Westinghouse acquisition and potential redevelopment (again, other than my blog). And... Has anyone other than my blog reported on the sale of the county engineer's property?? Has anyone other than my blog reported on Greater Cleveland's job growth doubling the national average in the latter half of 2018? Or is this a narrative that local media can't wrap their Eyore heads around? C'mon, local media. Get your butts in gear. My blog doesn't reach enough readers yet to make a difference in informing the public about what's going on in Cleveland's economy.

 

These are all pretty important developments. Where is the media??

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23 hours ago, KJP said:

 

 

Because Sun Newspapers has gone away. No one covered Lakewood better than we did back in the day (ie: before 2010 or so). 

 

And it's not just Lakewood. I realize that @mjarboe is on maternity leave. But so far only Stan Bullard at Crain's has reported on the downsizing of nuCLEus (other than my blog, which reported it first). And no one has yet to report on the Westinghouse acquisition and potential redevelopment (again, other than my blog). And... Has anyone other than my blog reported on the sale of the county engineer's property?? Has anyone other than my blog reported on Greater Cleveland's job growth doubling the national average in the latter half of 2018? Or is this a narrative that local media can't wrap their Eyore heads around? C'mon, local media. Get your butts in gear. My blog doesn't reach enough readers yet to make a difference in informing the public about what's going on in Cleveland's economy.

 

These are all pretty important developments. Where is the media??

Sounds like they just need to hire a freelancer!  😉😉

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For all you Cleveland history buffs....

 

 


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Wow, who will be left on The Plain Dealer side of the operation? Would they be "offered" equivalent (lower paying) positions on the cleveland.com side? Why hasn't the cleveland.com owner gone with the online paywall approach when other mid-sized and smaller newspapers have?

 

As an ex-pat Clevelander, I rarely check cleveland.com except for a few writers between an unusable website and clickbait tabloid content. When I was home for Christmas, I clicked on a list of "50 Best Bars in Cleveland" thinking it could give me new places to check out. Instead, someone just copied/pasted top 50 bars from Yelp!

 

Cleveland Scene produces more stories of interest to me, and, for local Cleveland sports, I subscribe to The Athletic.

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Hasn't that been the playbook for newsrooms across the country? Vultures run the paper into the ground, extracting every penny on the way. Then sell the only tanglible assets like the PD building downtown. There is no getting out of the death spiral until the equity firm sells them.

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Paper, ink, and the movement of same cost lots of money.  Electrons move at lightspeed, they allow more instant and timely coverage of the news.   It used to cost lots of money to distribute them.    Not any more.

 

High speed electronic communications have been the biggest shift in our culture since the internal combustion engine.  In part for the same reason:  decentralization and independence from the schedules of others.    The same thing has happened to books, movies, and music.   Moreso to news, because it is more immediate.

 

The main thing slowing these trends down is habit among consumers.   As people get out of these habits, the trends accelerate.

 

 

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Newspapers are having a tough time across the country trying to figure out how to operate in this new economy, with ad revanues drastically changing.

 

What I cannot understand for the life of me, is what “Advance Ohio’s” business model is. It’s makes no sense whatsoever.

 

To begin, the only reason that makes sense for spinning-off Cleveland.com into a separate company is to avoid having unionized employees. Why else would you want to purposefully duplicate operations like that. 

 

And I totally agree with FleetotheCleve; I have a hard time believing not having a paywall for Cleveland.com generates more revanue over the long-run.

 

All of this is only going to harm the community (it’s already hard enough to find out what’s going on in Cleveland City Hall, let alone the suburbs). And just so one of the richest families in the country can squeeze out a few more dollars. 😡

 

https://www.politico.com/magazine/amp/story/2018/05/13/denver-post-profits-newspaper-industry-218360

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7 hours ago, Enginerd said:

Newspapers are having a tough time across the country trying to figure out how to operate in this new economy, with ad revanues drastically changing.

 

What I cannot understand for the life of me, is what “Advance Ohio’s” business model is. It’s makes no sense whatsoever.

 

To begin, the only reason that makes sense for spinning-off Cleveland.com into a separate company is to avoid having unionized employees. Why else would you want to purposefully duplicate operations like that. 

 

And I totally agree with FleetotheCleve; I have a hard time believing not having a paywall for Cleveland.com generates more revanue over the long-run.

 

All of this is only going to harm the community (it’s already hard enough to find out what’s going on in Cleveland City Hall, let alone the suburbs). And just so one of the richest families in the country can squeeze out a few more dollars. 😡

 

https://www.politico.com/magazine/amp/story/2018/05/13/denver-post-profits-newspaper-industry-218360

@Enginerd That because Advanced Publications is trying to run all of it's "local newspapers" equally with no individuality or REAL local management.  All these saving and attention goes into running the Conde Nast Brands.

 

 

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there is more than a little mismanagement.  my question is, since they are moving in the direction of online-only, why does their website stink so bad?

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13 hours ago, Whipjacka said:

there is more than a little mismanagement.  my question is, since they are moving in the direction of online-only, why does their website stink so bad?

 

It's not done locally, in fact I apparently got suspended from the clecom forum for pointing out that an article in a completely different city really should have been called "sponsored content".

 

These guys run at least the forums.

 

https://www.bloomberg.com/research/stocks/private/snapshot.asp?privcapId=170265239

 

They are Canadian and based upon how they occasionally structure English, I suspect they do a *lot* of offshoring.

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On 3/28/2019 at 6:07 PM, Whipjacka said:

there is more than a little mismanagement.  my question is, since they are moving in the direction of online-only, why does their website stink so bad?

 

They don't care.  I can say that based on a discussion, off the record, with a person I know.

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For $4/month, you too can get creepy text messages from random "Facebook Live" "reporter." We get it. They are money hurt. But this is an outrageous request that borders on creepy and unnecessary. It's not even remotely cutting edge.

 

I've never seen an entire response be nothing more than laughing emojis: 

 

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12 minutes ago, seicer said:

For $4/month, you too can get creepy text messages from random "Facebook Live" "reporter." We get it. They are money hurt. But this is an outrageous request that borders on creepy and unnecessary. It's not even remotely cutting edge.

 

"For $3.99 a month, you'll receive a text message or two a day sent right to your cell phone from people you care about - like Facebook Live reporter Hayden Grove - with their thoughts about the news they report, the inside story of how they do their jobs and whatever is on their minds. Learn more about Project Text here: https://trib.al/FPbos40"

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lol I use to love to friendly troll that guy when ever he seemed to pop up out of nowhere on Facebook, which seemed all the time for a brief time back in the day. I don't do facebook as much anymore..

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11 minutes ago, Mildtraumatic said:

you'll receive a text message or two a day sent right to your cell phone from people you care about

 

This seems more like it's meant to appeal to lonely shut-ins than to news junkies.

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2 hours ago, seicer said:

For $4/month, you too can get creepy text messages from random "Facebook Live" "reporter." We get it. They are money hurt. But this is an outrageous request that borders on creepy and unnecessary. It's not even remotely cutting edge.

 

I've never seen an entire response be nothing more than laughing emojis: 

 

I'd love to see what Cleveland.com is raking in on this.   It couldn't be more than $100/month.  

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Mark Naymik Leaving Cleveland.com, Taking His Talents to WKYC

 

https://m.clevescene.com/scene-and-heard/archives/2019/07/09/mark-naymik-leaving-clevelandcom-taking-his-talents-to-wkyc

 

I’m glad he’s staying in town. He sometimes gets stuck on the wrong issues (e.g. that bar on Columbus street by the new trail, Brian Zimmerman’s salary, etc), but overall it’s really important to have a voice of accountability from the local media. He been great w his coverage on Ken Johnson, the former Beachwood mayor, Jackson’s disappearance, and other important issues. 

 

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Last Sunday I hopped in the car and immediately realized my wife had driven it last, since NPR came up on the radio.  "Wait, wait! Don't Tell Me" was being broadcast (live? recorded?) from the Blossom Music Center. Ok, a little exposure for the city/area. Then I thought, why Blossom Music Center? Wouldn't Wolstein Center or someplace similar have been a better location?

 

Could WWDTM fill the Blossom Center? Or was it part of a larger program?

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5 minutes ago, Dougal said:

Last Sunday I hopped in the car and immediately realized my wife had driven it last, since NPR came up on the radio.  "Wait, wait! Don't Tell Me" was being broadcast (live? recorded?) from the Blossom Music Center. Ok, a little exposure for the city/area. Then I thought, why Blossom Music Center? Wouldn't Wolstein Center or someplace similar have been a better location?

 

Could WWDTM fill the Blossom Center? Or was it part of a larger program?

I was at the live shoot. It was packed and hot as heck. There were probably 7,000 people there. I assume the show was hosted there because one of the sponsoring stations was WKSU and Kent as you know has a history with Blossom. 

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^I was there too. Dead center 6 rows from the front. Sounds good, but actually wasn’t ideal as the sound was projected literally over our heads. Got a bit hard to hear what was being said sometimes.  

Anyway, it was a great show and I’d agree with the crowd size. The pavilion was pretty full and there were another thousand or so on the lawn. 

They did a show at Playhouse Square a couple of years ago and sold out the State/ Palace (forget which).

We were lucky enough to see it in Chicago a few years ago at the regular venue, which was surprisingly tiny. Only holds about 400 people.  

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6 hours ago, Dougal said:

Last Sunday I hopped in the car and immediately realized my wife had driven it last, since NPR came up on the radio.  "Wait, wait! Don't Tell Me" was being broadcast (live? recorded?) from the Blossom Music Center. Ok, a little exposure for the city/area. Then I thought, why Blossom Music Center? Wouldn't Wolstein Center or someplace similar have been a better location?

 

Could WWDTM fill the Blossom Center? Or was it part of a larger program?

It’s not completely out of the norm for WWDTM to visit outdoor amphitheaters. They’ve played Wolf Trap, Tanglewood and Red Rocks just to name a few. I was surprised it’s taken them this long to visit Blossom since it’s home to such a well known orchestra and it’s in a national park.  As mentioned, it usually plays at Playhouse Square. An arena like Wolstein doesn’t fit the setup for the show at all. 

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Yet another effort resulted from the collaboration of the Greater Cleveland Partnership, JumpStart, the Cleveland Foundation and the Fund for Our Economic Future. Those four hired a consultant to identify Northeast Ohio’s next innovation economy. 

 

Wow, hired a consultant! Now that's a bold initiative. I anxiously await the Task Force, the Blue Ribbon Commission, the complete lecture series on cassette tapes, the March and whatever further symbolic gesture they come up with to save the city. 

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7 minutes ago, Dougal said:

Does anybody think M Jarboe will return from her year off as she predicted last year? I sure miss her reporting.

 

You could ask her - @mjarboe has an account here. Although it has been understandably quiet. 

 

And I fully agree - I hope she comes back to local reporting. 

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I saw this yesterday on Cleveland dot com.  The article seems to have disappeared from the online front page as of now, but the article is still there.  A group of locals is hosting a Cleveland Rising summit.  "The Cleveland Rising Summit will capture everyone's stories, knowledge, needs and dreams to create a shared vision of our economic future and an idea of the steps that need to be taken together to improve opportunities for the region. Organizing this summit will build the trust required to speed up growth and development without leaving anyone behind."

 

The Mission: "The Cleveland Rising Summit will set big, exciting and attainable economic goals that raise the community’s hopes and help to create a strong economic future by 2030."

 

It is October 29-31 at Public Auditorium.  I'd really like to participate in this event, but they are requiring people to participate in all three days.  Especially considering they are weekdays, that seems like a big ask.  (At least they finish at 2pm on the 31st so you can still get home for Halloween with your kids.)

 

The CWRU professors that developed the Appreciative Inquiry (AI) process will be facilitating this event.  ("AI is a problem-solving experience created to help hundreds of people focus on solving issues that are important to the whole group.")

 

The whole thing looks really interesting and I hope something comes of it.  I also hope some of our Urban and Transit advocates on UO are able to participate.

 

https://www.clerisingsummit.com/

 

https://www.cleveland.com/news/2019/08/cleveland-is-on-the-doorstep-of-doing-something-remarkable-that-no-other-city-has-done-but-we-could-screw-it-up-especially-if-you-dont-join.html

 

 

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On 8/20/2019 at 1:26 PM, sizzlinbeef said:

https://www.cleveland.com/news/2019/08/cleveland-is-on-the-doorstep-of-doing-something-remarkable-that-no-other-city-has-done-but-we-could-screw-it-up-especially-if-you-dont-join.html

 

One of the weirdest 'news' articles I've read in a while.  Sadly I had to agree with the .com posters collectively saying 'Huh?'.

 

I’m not sure why they have it labeled under “news” at the top, but it’s clearly an editorial and written by the editor or Cleveland.com.

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So the Plain Dealer is rightfully criticizing cleveland.com and the video they supposedly made---but the story is on cleveland.com?  It they are really separate entities, shouldn't they each have their own web site?

 

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They are separate companies owned by the same parent company, Newhouse. There is some control of the children by the parent. After Sun Newspapers was acquired by Newhouse, we were told to stop competing with the PD and cover only suburban hard news, features and listings. I was Sun's only Cleveland City Hall reporter by then, so I knew it was time for me to go. I left the full-time staff but continued doing freelance articles for five more years until Sun was told to abolish all City of Cleveland coverage (I covered West Park, Jefferson, Westown, Cudell, etc). They offered to let me cover the Lakewood beat by myself, but only as a freelance reporter. Lakewood used to be covered by Sun with a full-time reporter who had his hands full. There was no way I could cover it as a freelancer, so I turned them down.

 

It soon became bad enough that the remaining print media in town was owned by the same conglomerate (thanks Telecommunications Act of 1996) that they weren't allowed to compete with each other. It was so much fun competing with the PD and scooping them, even though we were a weekly and they were a daily. There were also several weeklies we competed with. Most of them are gone now too.

 

Now it's even worse with shills like Higgs doing the mayor's bidding and trying to pass himself off as an independent journalist. It's no big surprise that the mayor's went to him to get their message out regarding the Market Square development's request for a state tax exemption -- even though the developer was reportedly having productive conversations with the school district and metroparks about the proposed tax exemption. So the mayor's office turned to Higgs to help put the kibosh on those discussions.

 

I learned that's way off-limits while in my first week at Sun in 1994 when Karl Kubb, then-mayor of Fairview Park, asked to review my draft article about him before we published it. All of my fellow reporters sitting in cubicles nearby were waving their arms and admonishing me for merely listening to his offer. But Higgs has compromised whatever journalistic integrity he had -- just as the agglomerations of ownership in the media since 1996 have compromised competitive, independent journalism in general.

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Not quite sure where to post this comment - but I’ve never seen as many great and “different” perspectives of downtown as I did on Sunday night’s nationally televised Browns game on NBC. Thought they did a great job of showcasing the city and it was a beautiful night - other than the way the game ended. Great looks for CLE including a noisy packed stadium. 

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On 8/20/2019 at 3:30 PM, Boomerang_Brian said:

 

You could ask her - @mjarboe has an account here. Although it has been understandably quiet. 

 

And I fully agree - I hope she comes back to local reporting. 

 

So I did ask her.  And @mjarboe kindly answered that she hopes to return to writing in January.  😀

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On 8/20/2019 at 3:30 PM, Boomerang_Brian said:

 

You could ask her - @mjarboe has an account here. Although it has been understandably quiet. 

 

And I fully agree - I hope she comes back to local reporting. 

 

3 hours ago, Dougal said:

 

So I did ask her.  And @mjarboe kindly answered that she hopes to return to writing in January.  😀

 

Hey, that’s great news! I look forward to seeing her articles again. She will give @KJP some actual competition in the local media. 😀😀

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On 8/22/2019 at 12:09 PM, Boomerang_Brian said:

I saw this yesterday on Cleveland dot com.  The article seems to have disappeared from the online front page as of now, but the article is still there.  A group of locals is hosting a Cleveland Rising summit.  "The Cleveland Rising Summit will capture everyone's stories, knowledge, needs and dreams to create a shared vision of our economic future and an idea of the steps that need to be taken together to improve opportunities for the region. Organizing this summit will build the trust required to speed up growth and development without leaving anyone behind."

 

The Mission: "The Cleveland Rising Summit will set big, exciting and attainable economic goals that raise the community’s hopes and help to create a strong economic future by 2030."

 

It is October 29-31 at Public Auditorium.  I'd really like to participate in this event, but they are requiring people to participate in all three days.  Especially considering they are weekdays, that seems like a big ask.  (At least they finish at 2pm on the 31st so you can still get home for Halloween with your kids.)

 

The CWRU professors that developed the Appreciative Inquiry (AI) process will be facilitating this event.  ("AI is a problem-solving experience created to help hundreds of people focus on solving issues that are important to the whole group.")

 

The whole thing looks really interesting and I hope something comes of it.  I also hope some of our Urban and Transit advocates on UO are able to participate.

 

https://www.clerisingsummit.com/

 

https://www.cleveland.com/news/2019/08/cleveland-is-on-the-doorstep-of-doing-something-remarkable-that-no-other-city-has-done-but-we-could-screw-it-up-especially-if-you-dont-join.html

 

 

 

https://www.cleveland.com/metro/2019/10/cleveland-rising-concludes-aspires-to-greatness-needs-a-way-forward.html

 

The results are as vague as the premise.

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Every couple of years there is a much ballyhooed public visioning process that is going to "save" our city.  Nothing ever comes of them.

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20 minutes ago, X said:

Every couple of years there is a much ballyhooed public visioning process that is going to "save" our city.  Nothing ever comes of them.

 

They seem to get the ear of some movers and shakers who then create these abstract goals and everything gets forgotten about. 

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The racial stuff is ridiculous, but overall I think it's nice that they're having this booster event. If it helps Cleveland advocates network and partner up, it's only a win for the city and region.

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21 hours ago, TBideon said:

The racial stuff is ridiculous, but overall I think it's nice that they're having this booster event. If it helps Cleveland advocates network and partner up, it's only a win for the city and region.

What racial stuff and in your opinion, why is it ridiculous?

 

As a person of color, living in a city that has a majority of people of color, that has a number of ethnic neighborhoods, BUT is still racially segregated, discussing race, bias, sexual, ethnicty should be a main part of the discussion.  when black men and black trans women are being killed by police (not trying to debate that here) for varying reasons, this MUST be discussed, if the city is looking to attract and retain people of all ages, races, financial status, social status, sexuality, religions, etc.

 

So again, please help me understand why you think discussing race - in the bigger picture - is ridiculous?

 

told you so i give up GIF

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