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If those merchants are looking for a place to move, there's plenty of vacant space inside the Euclid/Colonial Arcades! Sheesh!

 

I hope someone responsible for leasing in the arcades is pursuing the retailers being displaced by Red.

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I still think the those arcades, especially the Euclid arcade since it is worse off, would be great as a place for small local shops like Room Service and Salty not Sweet, maybe even Yellow Cake. If you put them all in one location, and that specific location, I think it almost becomes somewhat of an attraction, and they benefit off of each other. It would be a great place for locals to try out their business like that. And from there they could always expand into larger spaces along Euclid and Prospect. It brings new local shopping downtown, and could really jumpstart the retail scene downtown in my opinion.

 

Imagine walking through those arcades and see them full of small little boutique like local businesses. I think it would be successful, and a good direction to go.

 

Trust me, those retailers have been reached out to.  They're not interested in what they consider to be an untested and low-visibility location.  There are also concerns about the size of the spaces.

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I walk into the arcades for lunch from Euclid. I rarely walk along Prospect since half the street is taken up by surface lots. Those retailers need to see the pedestrian traffic on Euclid these days. Being in the arcades gives them access to that. What do they get by being on Prospect?


"Most of us have been conditioned to regard military combat as exciting and glamorous -- an opportunity for men to prove their competence and courage. Since armies are legal, we feel that war is acceptable; in general, nobody feels that that war is criminal or that accepting it is a criminal attitude. In fact, we have been brainwashed. War is neither glamorous nor attractive. It is monstrous. Its very nature is one of tragedy and suffering" --Dalai Lama

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^From the context, I think "those retailers" in Confiteordeo's post refers to Salty Not Sweet, etc., who are located in places like Ohio City.  Seeing that kind of scene in the two smaller arcades would make me really, really happy.  Even without visibility, if they could together build some kind of critical mass, it could be pretty awesome and make a name for itself as a destination.  Would definitely be a challenge to get there though.

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Was at an event at Uptown this evening and Ari Maron announced this. Said it will be on the front page of the PD tomorrow. Apparently they have a location on Richmond Road and two in Florida.

 

http://www.redthesteakhouse.com/index.php/cleveland/

 

Red is one of the best steakhouses in the country.  I believe it got a 28 Zagat rating.

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I've been to the one in Miami Beach, indeed, it is a great steakhouse. Probably the best steaks I've ever had.

 

If it wasn't superb it wouldn't have survived as just one block from it is Prime 112 Steakhouse which is ultra popular with the rich and famous of Miami.

 

 

 

 

Was at an event at Uptown this evening and Ari Maron announced this. Said it will be on the front page of the PD tomorrow. Apparently they have a location on Richmond Road and two in Florida.

 

http://www.redthesteakhouse.com/index.php/cleveland/

 

Red is one of the best steakhouses in the country.  I believe it got a 28 Zagat rating.

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Tremont Taphouse "liked" two new pages on facebook last night:  The Cleveland Brewing Company and Butcher & the Brewer...both with addresses listed on East 4th Street.  Looks like we know what's filling in the gap!  Butcher & the Brewer's page says it's opening Spring 2013.  The Cleveland Brewing Co.'s page seems to have disappeared in the time it took me to write this.

 

https://www.facebook.com/butcherandthebrewer

 

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Tremont Taphouse "liked" two new pages on facebook last night:  The Cleveland Brewing Company and Butcher & the Brewer...both with addresses listed on East 4th Street.  Looks like we know what's filling in the gap!  Butcher & the Brewer's page says it's opening Spring 2013.  The Cleveland Brewing Co.'s page seems to have disappeared in the time it took me to write this.

 

https://www.facebook.com/butcherandthebrewer

 

 

Good find!  Is there an address?  I can't view FB right now.

 

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Tremont Taphouse "liked" two new pages on facebook last night:  The Cleveland Brewing Company and Butcher & the Brewer...both with addresses listed on East 4th Street.  Looks like we know what's filling in the gap!  Butcher & the Brewer's page says it's opening Spring 2013.  The Cleveland Brewing Co.'s page seems to have disappeared in the time it took me to write this.

 

https://www.facebook.com/butcherandthebrewer

 

 

Good find!  Is there an address?  I can't view FB right now.

 

2063 East 4th, Cleveland, OH

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Tremont Taphouse "liked" two new pages on facebook last night:  The Cleveland Brewing Company and Butcher & the Brewer...both with addresses listed on East 4th Street.  Looks like we know what's filling in the gap!  Butcher & the Brewer's page says it's opening Spring 2013.  The Cleveland Brewing Co.'s page seems to have disappeared in the time it took me to write this.

 

https://www.facebook.com/butcherandthebrewer

 

 

Good find!  Is there an address?  I can't view FB right now.

 

2063 East 4th, Cleveland, OH

 

Which is right where Dredger's Union used to be. The Cleveland Brewery has an address for 2043 E 4th Street, so maybe the empty storage space next door?

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Red is one of the best steakhouses in the country.  I believe it got a 28 Zagat rating.

 

Ohhh...Zagats!

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I've been to the one in Miami Beach, indeed, it is a great steakhouse. Probably the best steaks I've ever had.

 

If it wasn't superb it wouldn't have survived as just one block from it is Prime 112 Steakhouse which is ultra popular with the rich and famous of Miami.

 

I've always thought Red has a great steak, but I forgot about Prime 112. Ate there once and it was really good as well.

 

 

 

Coming Spring 2013

http://butcherandthebrewer.com/

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I'm not sure if this had been mentioned, or of this is the right place--- but does anyone know why barroom/Cadillac ranch closed? It's been closed for about two weeks now... Maybe shut down for underage?? Orrrr??

It's a huge bummer in that stretch

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^^This pretty much sums up what happened:

 

I was digging for info on the C-Ranch situation and found this in a purchase agreement for Granite City buying the Pittsburgh Cadillac Ranch

 

"(b)          In addition to Seller’s and REG’s obligations set forth in Section 2.7(a) of the Master Agreement, at the Closing under this Agreement, Seller and REG, as applicable, will be further obligated to execute and deliver the following:

 

(i)            an agreement between Seller and REG terminating the Management Agreement between Seller and REG dated June 9, 2010;

 

(ii)          a bill of sale substantially in the form of Exhibit 2.5(d) for all of the Assets that are tangible personal property and used in the operation of the Pittsburgh Restaurant;

 

(iii)          the financial statements required to be delivered pursuant to section 3.2 of this Agreement;

 

(iv)          evidence that REG and Seller have caused the following parties to cease and desist from using the Marks, Copyrights, Trade Secrets and Net Names: CR Sparks Ranch West, LLC; CR Las Vegas, LLC; Nashville Midnight Oil, LLC; Cincinnati F.S., LLC; and CR Cleveland, LLC, together with an assignment to Buyer from such parties of all of their right, title and interest, including goodwill, in and to the Marks, Copyrights, Trade Secrets and Net Names in the form reasonably acceptable in form and substance to Buyer within sixty (60) days after Closing;

 

(v)          separate noncompetition agreements substantially in the form of Exhibit 2.5(g) executed by Seller, Owner, REG, Jon H. Field and Joel A. Field;

 

(vi)          evidence of the Consents relating to the operation of the Pittsburgh Restaurant identified in Exhibit 7.3 of the Master Agreement, or the delivery of such Consents has been waived in whole or in part by Buyer;

 

 

Read more: http://www.faqs.org/sec-filings/120113/GRANITE-CITY-FOOD-and-BREWERY-LTD_8-K/a12-2740_1ex10d1.htm#b#ixzz1z8eW9KOR"

 

Unfortunately purchase agreements aren't my expertise.  :-P  What does that mean?  Sorry if it means nothing, just thought Id put it up

 

I am guessing that the Franchisee was trying to make the best of losing the Cadillac Ranch name and slightly adjusted the theme, allowing him to stay in business and not worry about any legal action.  Unfortunately for him part of the reason that Cadillac Ranch was sold was that it was a bad business.  Putting lipstick on a pig...

 

Will be intersting to see what happens with this space and the May Co. building over all.  Once J Gumbos and Chipotle open (whenever Chipotle opens as there has been no work and no updates) that will be the only vancant spot on that side of the street between PS and E4th.

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Still no sign of a chipotle moving in.....anybody know what's happening with it?

 

Good news...demo work has begun in the old Sometimes in the Silence space. All the drywall has been ripped back to the studs. Glad to see this finally moving along. Hope an announcement is made soon.

 

But with good news comes some bad news...Nexus Cafe on Prospect has closed its doors. Sad to see another local business fail. It's a large space and was pretty under utilized.

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But with good news comes some bad news...Nexus Cafe on Prospect has closed its doors. Sad to see another local business fail. It's a large space and was pretty under utilized.

 

I know for a fact that the eating establishments on Prospect and Huron closer to East Ninth are not doing the business they would like to be doing and/or have done in the past.  Struggling might even be an apt discription.  Bringing in Melt really would not help the situation.

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I know for a fact that the eating establishments on Prospect and Huron closer to East Ninth are not doing the business they would like to be doing and/or have done in the past.  Struggling might even be an apt discription.  Bringing in Melt really would not help the situation.

 

They worked wonders for Cedar and Taylor.

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^I have no doubt Melt would do fine....but they would chip away at that "finite customer base" (which is not breaking down the doors at places like Huron Point Tavern, Clevelander and Paninis right now).  And Melt would be competition for them rather than most of the restaurants on East 4th (might hurt Flannery's)  Of course this is America so....

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^I have no doubt Melt would do fine....but they would chip away at that "finite customer base" (which is not breaking down the doors at places like Huron Point Tavern, Clevelander and Paninis right now).  And Melt would be competition for them rather than most of the restaurants on East 4th (might hurt Flannery's)  Of course this is America so....

 

I think Melt would take customers away from Flannery's, Harry Buffalo, Panini's, and Winking Lizard more than Huron Point Tavern and Clevelander.

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I suspect the Indians' disappointing season has something to do with this, but also the rise of Euclid Avenue as the booming lunch destination area for downtown office workers. I was surprised to see how few people were at the Clevelander recently for lunch.


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i almost think the restaurant and cafe space is capped.  for now.  need more people living down there.  once more apartments go up, more places will flourish

 

This is essentially what needs to happen...MORE PEOPLE! If we want more retail and for restaurants to not cannibalize each other the residential base needs to expand.

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Do we really think that it is residents that primarily support the Downtown bar scene?  Even I can't drink that much.  The number of Downtown residents could double, it would have nary an effect on the bar and restaurant scene.  More places might open up on a Sat/Sun afternoon.  That'd be it.

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^ I honestly think cafes are resident/local driven.  Bars and restaurants are driven by workers, ballgame attendees and such, but once again, only so many patrons to go around.

 

I think in Nexus's situation, that is a place predominantly used by residents and locals.  I cant imagine commuters and fans going to Nexus often.

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Another problem for Nexus is that the space they had is huge.  It could almost be 2 separate retail spots in there. not based on street frontage, but on the overall usable space.  I think it is going to take something other than a cafe/bar in that space to make it work.  Feels too large otherwise.

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Clevelander is not really a lunch spot.

 

Then they shouldn't be open for lunch.

 

And a debate of the value of residential vs. office populations should probably be done here:

http://www.urbanohio.com/forum2/index.php/topic,24830.msg643571.html#msg643571


"Most of us have been conditioned to regard military combat as exciting and glamorous -- an opportunity for men to prove their competence and courage. Since armies are legal, we feel that war is acceptable; in general, nobody feels that that war is criminal or that accepting it is a criminal attitude. In fact, we have been brainwashed. War is neither glamorous nor attractive. It is monstrous. Its very nature is one of tragedy and suffering" --Dalai Lama

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Do we really think that it is residents that primarily support the Downtown bar scene?  Even I can't drink that much.  The number of Downtown residents could double, it would have nary an effect on the bar and restaurant scene.  More places might open up on a Sat/Sun afternoon.  That'd be it.

 

It will have the residents, plus all of the tourists since it was rated one of the top bar-hoping areas in the world.

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^I think X was referring to downtown in general.  There are spots not too far from east 4th which are struggling, especially given the awful Indians attendance this summer.

 

I have a friend who owns a place downtown and I get bummed hearing how often he refers to downtown as "dead".  (and he has been downtown for more than 15 years).  I think he exaggerates out of frustration, but he has definitely put on hold plans to expand hours into the evenings.

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The Nexus Cafe  - Are they one of the restaurants that opened this May 2012 in conjunction with the opening of the Horseshoe Casino OR have they been there longer?  Does anyone know?

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The Nexus Cafe  - Are they one of the restaurants that opened this May 2012 in conjunction with the opening of the Horseshoe Casino OR have they been there longer?  Does anyone know?

 

tilted kilt place opened around the time the casino opened.  I don't think there were that many.  Phase 2 of the casino is where I expect to see more restaurants open.

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