Boomerang_Brian Posted December 24, 2019 Share Posted December 24, 2019 On 12/20/2019 at 4:47 PM, Pugu said: what are they---townhouses? or apartments--and if apts--for sale or for rent? On 12/20/2019 at 4:55 PM, skiwest said: More restaurants, bars and nightclubs. https://www.cleveland.com/business/2019/05/flats-east-bank-project-moving-forward-with-design-approval-of-riverfront-restaurants-bars.html 15 minutes ago, Pugu said: are those new river front places townhouses? or apartments--and if apts--for sale or for rent? It’s like deja vu all over again. 2 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Growth Mindset Posted December 24, 2019 Share Posted December 24, 2019 5 minutes ago, inlovewithCLE said: You’re right, and people should really stop comparing FEB of today with the FEB of 70s/80s One of the biggest differences is security. I feel safe there now. In the 90’s I was assaulted at BW-3 and nearly bled to death. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frmr CLEder Posted December 24, 2019 Share Posted December 24, 2019 A true neighborhood still needs services (mixed-use development), not just bars and restaurants. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KJP Posted December 24, 2019 Author Share Posted December 24, 2019 FYI, if you're hoping that this is a sign that the Phase 3B (the 12-story apartment building over retail/co-working/theater) will be getting built soon, it's not. It's true that Wolstein's financial covenants require him to build these riverfront restaurants (3A) first before moving on to 3B. But unfortunately, I'm hearing Wolstein is having some cash-flow issues at his company. That may explain his cash-out of his firm's interest in the Renaissance Center in Playhouse Square earlier this year.... Berkadia closes $33 million loan for downtown Cleveland office building https://www.rejournals.com/berkadia-closes-$33-million-loan-for-downtown-cleveland-office-building-20190114 1 “What is the meaning of this city? Do you huddle close together because you love each other?” Or “We all dwell together to make money from each other”? -- TS Eliot’s The Rock Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marty15 Posted December 24, 2019 Share Posted December 24, 2019 13 minutes ago, KJP said: FYI, if you're hoping that this is a sign that the Phase 3B (the 12-story apartment building over retail/co-working/theater) will be getting built soon, it's not. It's true that Wolstein's financial covenants require him to build these riverfront restaurants (3A) first before moving on to 3B. But unfortunately, I'm hearing Wolstein is having some cash-flow issues at his company. That may explain his cash-out of his firm's interest in the Renaissance Center in Playhouse Square earlier this year.... Berkadia closes $33 million loan for downtown Cleveland office building https://www.rejournals.com/berkadia-closes-$33-million-loan-for-downtown-cleveland-office-building-20190114 Didn’t he cash out on Phase 2 apartment building as well? And for what it’s worth, there’s a cleaners up the hill on West 9th, as well as a pretty good Constantinos. And a liquor store on West 6th. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MayDay Posted December 24, 2019 Share Posted December 24, 2019 I think the Admins and Mods are all in agreement - off-topic posts bring out our giving spirit; giving suspensions, time off, etc. Help your forum staff have a Merry Christmas and keep posts on topic and know when to take tangential (or in the case of MyTwoSense, interrogations) to private messages. 3 1 http://www.clevelandskyscrapers.comhttps://www.instagram.com/clevelandskyscrapers/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RE Developer In Training Posted January 7, 2020 Share Posted January 7, 2020 Looks like FEB phase 3 has broken ground: 5 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KJP Posted January 24, 2020 Author Share Posted January 24, 2020 2 1 “What is the meaning of this city? Do you huddle close together because you love each other?” Or “We all dwell together to make money from each other”? -- TS Eliot’s The Rock Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Htsguy Posted January 24, 2020 Share Posted January 24, 2020 15 minutes ago, KJP said: Which partner? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KJP Posted January 24, 2020 Author Share Posted January 24, 2020 32 minutes ago, Htsguy said: Which partner? Great Scott! “What is the meaning of this city? Do you huddle close together because you love each other?” Or “We all dwell together to make money from each other”? -- TS Eliot’s The Rock Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simplythis Posted January 24, 2020 Share Posted January 24, 2020 3 minutes ago, KJP said: Great Scott! Every month there is more & more vacancies at FEB. Renters are not renewing there. What is going on there? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ragarcia Posted January 24, 2020 Share Posted January 24, 2020 1 minute ago, simplythis said: Every month there is more & more vacancies at FEB. Renters are not renewing there. What is going on there? What are the occupancy rates? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
West153 Posted January 24, 2020 Share Posted January 24, 2020 According to apartments.com, FEB has 24 units currently available out of 241 total units - that puts it at 90.04% occupancy. Not bad, especially if these reviews are accurate.. https://www.apartmentratings.com/oh/cleveland/flats-at-east-bank_9199332346275160110/ 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cleburger Posted January 24, 2020 Share Posted January 24, 2020 3 minutes ago, West153 said: Not bad, especially if these reviews are accurate.. https://www.apartmentratings.com/oh/cleveland/flats-at-east-bank_9199332346275160110/ Wow! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frmr CLEder Posted January 24, 2020 Share Posted January 24, 2020 (edited) Wow is right! That's too bad. Sounds like they need better property management. I'm surprised they don't install wood laminate flooring in hallways/elevators. They're easy to maintain vs carpeting. As for noise, if you live in Party Central, you have to anticipate noise, drunks and everything that accompanies those things. Edited January 24, 2020 by Frmr CLEder 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KFM44107 Posted January 24, 2020 Share Posted January 24, 2020 14 minutes ago, Frmr CLEder said: Wow is right! That's too bad. Sounds like they need better property management. I'm surprised they don't install wood laminate flooring in hallways/elevators. They're easy to maintain vs carpeting. As for noise, if you live in Party Central, you have to anticipate noise, drunks and everything that accompanies those things. Don't forget that this place had a dude running a fetynal lab out of the top floor. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simplythis Posted January 24, 2020 Share Posted January 24, 2020 43 minutes ago, West153 said: According to apartments.com, FEB has 24 units currently available out of 241 total units - that puts it at 90.04% occupancy. Not bad, especially if these reviews are accurate.. https://www.apartmentratings.com/oh/cleveland/flats-at-east-bank_9199332346275160110/ Last Fall in was down to around 10 vacancies Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RE Developer In Training Posted January 24, 2020 Share Posted January 24, 2020 I made a comment earlier that got deleted, but the property management company is the problem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Htsguy Posted January 24, 2020 Share Posted January 24, 2020 As a new Urban Ohio forum member in the mid 2000s I was weaned on this thread. It was like the SHW thread today. Pages of discussion regarding shady property owners, eminent domain, court cases, city subsidies, infrastructure issues, connectivity, design critiques, alternative developments, effect of the recession and stories about the old flats, among other topics. At times it was very frustrating but the vision was exciting. After more than 15 years I find it frustrating that the development is still not near completed and I have to admit, it is not the neighborhood I thought it was going to be when the project was first announced. It is not awful but it is not the proposed vision and I don;t know if it ever can/will be. One of my biggest frustrations has nothing to do with Wolstein. That is, for some reason it has not resulted in any significant companion development up the hill and down River Road. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KJP Posted January 24, 2020 Author Share Posted January 24, 2020 I guess I'm more satisfied with what has been developed. I wasn't expecting anything. I was hopeful but with a wait-and-see approach. So what I got was more than what I was expecting -- a brand-new neighborhood from the sewers up that, in my opinion, is better than the old Flats East Bank. My only disappointment so far is that the 12-story apartment building on West 11th hasn't been built and that it hasn't generated more riders for the Waterfront line. Although that's tough to do when the WFL stops running at 7 p.m. There is more potential development brewing for the area, especially south of Main Avenue. But it's possible that FEB might have someday have something in common with the Cleveland Union Terminal Group development that started in the 1920s....it's still not finished 90 years later. 2 1 1 “What is the meaning of this city? Do you huddle close together because you love each other?” Or “We all dwell together to make money from each other”? -- TS Eliot’s The Rock Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dar124 Posted January 24, 2020 Share Posted January 24, 2020 5 hours ago, KJP said: I guess I'm more satisfied with what has been developed. I wasn't expecting anything. I was hopeful but with a wait-and-see approach. So what I got was more than what I was expecting -- a brand-new neighborhood from the sewers up that, in my opinion, is better than the old Flats East Bank. My only disappointment so far is that the 12-story apartment building on West 11th hasn't been built and that it hasn't generated more riders for the Waterfront line. Although that's tough to do when the WFL stops running at 7 p.m. There is more potential development brewing for the area, especially south of Main Avenue. But it's possible that FEB might have someday have something in common with the Cleveland Union Terminal Group development that started in the 1920s....it's still not finished 90 years later. Isn't this a bit like "The Chicken and Egg" argument. If more people were down in the area riding the WFL it could justify staying open later, but the WFL needs to stay open later to have more people utilize it!!! Round and round we go!!! 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pugu Posted January 24, 2020 Share Posted January 24, 2020 I've said this before and received a major backlash from forumers from some reason which I never understood--and then my post got deleted. But I'll say it again: For the area to be successful, it needs to be made into a real neighborhood--not just apartments built surrounded by bars and restaurants that are on the pricier end. It needs: a drug store, a deli to pick up quick food/snacks, laundromat/dry cleaner, a few coffee shops, some small little bars (that are not intended to draw a weekend crowd, but just locals), some non-upscale places to eat like a chipotle, cheap chinese place, etc, some bldgs with for-sale apartment units, and a few other local shops. Why are Lakewood and Cle Hts desirable, yet cool places to be? Because it has this mix of uses and across price points. 10 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bdaily Posted January 24, 2020 Share Posted January 24, 2020 7 hours ago, KJP said: I guess I'm more satisfied with what has been developed. I wasn't expecting anything. I was hopeful but with a wait-and-see approach. So what I got was more than what I was expecting -- a brand-new neighborhood from the sewers up that, in my opinion, is better than the old Flats East Bank. My only disappointment so far is that the 12-story apartment building on West 11th hasn't been built and that it hasn't generated more riders for the Waterfront line. Although that's tough to do when the WFL stops running at 7 p.m. There is more potential development brewing for the area, especially south of Main Avenue. But it's possible that FEB might have someday have something in common with the Cleveland Union Terminal Group development that started in the 1920s....it's still not finished 90 years later. Samsel property? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
surfohio Posted January 24, 2020 Share Posted January 24, 2020 2 minutes ago, bdaily said: Samsel property? Huh, I hope not. Residents need things like duct tape, tools, cleaning supplies, etc. Samsel provides all those things, and could easily adjust further to serve the neighborhood. https://www.samselsupply.com/store.html 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
X Posted January 25, 2020 Share Posted January 25, 2020 This thread is for development news. Not b-tching about past decisions. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MuRrAy HiLL Posted February 8, 2020 Share Posted February 8, 2020 https://mobile.twitter.com/EngelkeLlc/status/1224740362981388289 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pugu Posted February 8, 2020 Share Posted February 8, 2020 ^"...There will soon be two three story buildings right on the river going by the name of the Riverfront Restaurants! The East Bank skyline will look very different in the near future!" Ha! I never heard of "three story buildings" and "skyline" used together in the same breath. 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Potamus Posted February 8, 2020 Share Posted February 8, 2020 Yeah I never thought of the Flats East Bank as having a "skyline" at all ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CleCaneFan Posted February 8, 2020 Share Posted February 8, 2020 17 minutes ago, Potamus said: Yeah I never thought of the Flats East Bank as having a "skyline" at all ... Meh, the E&Y building has some height to it, but IMO the signature structure is the Main Ave Bridge. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
roman totale XVII Posted February 11, 2020 Share Posted February 11, 2020 On 2/22/2016 at 2:06 PM, dar124 said: Unveiling scheduled Thursday at Aloft Hotel for Main Avenue Bridge Underpass Improvement Design CLEVELAND, Ohio – The Chicago-based urban design firm of PORT Urbanism on Thursday will unveil a detailed plan to improve the shadowy, confusing zone under the Main Avenue Bridge that separates the Historic Warehouse District from the new Flats East Bank development on the Cuyahoga River. The plan calls for new signs, pavement striping, plantings, seating areas and sculptural lighting elements. It will be presented to the general public at the Aloft Hotel Riviera Ballroom, 1111 W. 10th Street, in a program from 5 to 7 p.m., Thursday, the Downtown Cleveland Alliance announced. The presentation is to begin at 5:30 p.m. http://www.cleveland.com/architecture/index.ssf/2016/02/post_2.html Does anyone know what happened to this? I know the bridge got repaired and painted in the interim holding thing up, but that finished a good while ago. 1 My hovercraft is full of eels Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larry1962 Posted February 11, 2020 Share Posted February 11, 2020 16 minutes ago, roman totale XVII said: Does anyone know what happened to this? I know the bridge got repaired and painted in the interim holding thing up, but that finished a good while ago. The last thing I heard is they are still trying to raise enough money for the entire project. They still don't have quite enough money yet... 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marty15 Posted February 19, 2020 Share Posted February 19, 2020 Next phase site work. 11 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
urbanetics_ Posted April 17, 2020 Share Posted April 17, 2020 Making great progress and going vertical soon! 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KJP Posted April 17, 2020 Author Share Posted April 17, 2020 This is probably a construction project you don't need to rush to get open anytime soon... “What is the meaning of this city? Do you huddle close together because you love each other?” Or “We all dwell together to make money from each other”? -- TS Eliot’s The Rock Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cadmen Posted April 17, 2020 Share Posted April 17, 2020 Ouch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KJP Posted May 17, 2020 Author Share Posted May 17, 2020 (edited) 54 minutes ago, freethink said: @Geowizical You probably could have included Kenect Cleveland in one of those. I don't think it's dead yet. Your spidey-sense must've been tingling. Although that Dodge report says the project has a target start date of 01/012019, I was just talking with someone this morning who said this project has its financing. They actually had it a while ago, with gap financing provided by GBX which is getting more into new construction, but are delayed by the pandemic. Hopefully it will start later this year. Edited May 17, 2020 by KJP 11 2 “What is the meaning of this city? Do you huddle close together because you love each other?” Or “We all dwell together to make money from each other”? -- TS Eliot’s The Rock Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
freethink Posted May 17, 2020 Share Posted May 17, 2020 ^ If you read under status it says "construction start targeted within 2020". So I figured it was still alive since it looks like it was updated. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KJP Posted May 17, 2020 Author Share Posted May 17, 2020 BTW, the reason why I was asking someone this morning about the status of Flats East Bank Phase 3B (the 12-story apartment building) is because Wolstein is getting involved in another big project. When I heard that, my first reaction is -- either FEB is dead or it's imminent, otherwise why would Wolstein be moving on to another heavy lift? And yes, there's another article coming. 18 6 2 “What is the meaning of this city? Do you huddle close together because you love each other?” Or “We all dwell together to make money from each other”? -- TS Eliot’s The Rock Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sapper Daddy Posted June 4, 2020 Share Posted June 4, 2020 Progress as of this evening on FEB Phase 3a. 17 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
surfohio Posted June 5, 2020 Share Posted June 5, 2020 ^ So good to see. I was somewhere recently that had very similar architecture, can't remember where...but I suspect these will turn out great for the location. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frmr CLEder Posted June 5, 2020 Share Posted June 5, 2020 With the pandemic and the protests, how are the FEB establishments doing? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sapper Daddy Posted June 5, 2020 Share Posted June 5, 2020 37 minutes ago, Frmr CLEder said: With the pandemic and the protests, how are the FEB establishments doing? We had dinner at Lindsay’s Lake House and there was a very good crowd there for a Thursday night, although it was beautiful out. I honestly don’t know if Margaritaville or Collision Bend were open but they didn’t appear to be. There was a decent amount of pedestrians but probably down a bit with the current events and not every bar and restaurant being opened as a factor. I’ve yet to get down there on a weekend to see how business is but hope to soon. 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simplythis Posted June 5, 2020 Share Posted June 5, 2020 3 hours ago, Frmr CLEder said: With the pandemic and the protests, how are the FEB establishments doing? Does anyone know if there was any rioting or looting in the FEB. The local TV stations mentioned E.4, Playhouse Square, Prospect etc. There was no mention of W. 6 or FEB. Does anyone know. ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest skiwest Posted June 5, 2020 Share Posted June 5, 2020 I heard Barley House was vandalized and looted. I didn't hear anything about FEB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
outjet Posted June 5, 2020 Share Posted June 5, 2020 (edited) FEB feels like a ghost town on most days, not the most impactful place to stage a protest... Edited June 5, 2020 by outjet Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KFM44107 Posted June 5, 2020 Share Posted June 5, 2020 I was downtown Thursday night, the flats east bank wasn't touched from what I saw. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
urbanetics_ Posted June 9, 2020 Share Posted June 9, 2020 These new buildings make quite a visual impact! 9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WindyBuckeye Posted June 9, 2020 Share Posted June 9, 2020 5 minutes ago, urbanetics_ said: These new buildings make quite a visual impact! Love it. The river interaction once completed will be awesome. Lets get that other Phase 3 part started ASAP! 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mack34 Posted June 9, 2020 Share Posted June 9, 2020 I was waling down there this morning and was going to post pics, but these are better lol! They are definitely building these to last! From the boardwalk, they'll make quite an impression.....now lets see who fills the space! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PoshSteve Posted June 9, 2020 Share Posted June 9, 2020 Glad to see this moving forward and it will have a great presence. I wonder though about the additional retail/restaurant space, especially since there are still spaces under the apartments that have never leased and now Punch Bowl closing. Perhaps 3b is going to be tweaked to include less? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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