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I am not from "da hood", nor am I into hip hop...but for someone to say I don't understand what goes on there....please.  I DO work in some rough ass areas in this city on the East side of Cleveland.  I work for the fire department as some of you already may know.  We don't JUST fight fires, but we respond to many other types of calls as well whether they be medical, or other emergency(or so perceived by the callers).  I see truly nice, hard working people that deserve much better than the areas they live.  I also see other people that are truly leeches of society, that are able bodied do nothings that cry, bitch, and moan and expect everything for nothing.  I am sorry, but the "struggle" IMO came from people that fought the power back in the day to make changes...that changed laws...that worked hard to make things better for themselves and the people they represented.  Unfortunately I see a lot of people riding on the coat tails of there forefathers but doing nothing to change things for themselves.  There are good and bad people from all different backgrounds, there is no disputing that. 

  Sometimes it happens that people may be poor, but is it necessary to be dirty?  Can you be poor and at the same time take care of your belongings, your property, and yourself to the best you can?  Of course!  Does being poor mean you must throw your trash on the ground or out of the car window?  Lets face it, parents need to be parents (I used the word in a plural form because I truly believe there are WAY too many inattentive single parents out there...kids having kids)  We know how babies are made, so don't blast a load and knock a woman up unless you are man enough to be a true FATHER and husband....not a baby daddy.  School is free...yes FREE...Go there, study, get an education, get a job....don't rely on the ole "I can't get a job because of...(insert this or that)"  This thread made me very angry because people seem to be proud of there "dangerous areas"...like it is a badge of honor!!!  A badge of honor is getting educated, getting a job, and being a person that contributes to society.  People need to STOP looking at other people or elsewhere for their own short comings.....when times get tough...suck it up and do something about it.  Dealing, robbing, shooting, beating....those are NOT the answer.....teach..no...POUND it everyday into the brains of your children...BREAK the cycle as a society...not just as an individual.  I could go on and on...I do see it...I have seen plenty of people gunned down..DEAD...it isn't "cool"...it sucks to see dead kids.  I am 37...when I see an 18, 19, 20 year old it makes me sick to think that they didn't HAVE to be that way...they were set into the "mold" the mindset....it is all bullshit people....there is nothing good about it.  We can "brag" about how rough OTR compared to E 105 area is...but does it really matter?  Does the buildings that OTR have make it rougher than E 105 because it is a "different" type hood?  Let's look at the number of murders that every city has each year and brag?  I may be over sensitive or an Ahole for going off like this...but this topic is just SAD.  Coldayman...I think even YOU may agree on this one without bustin my balls(but I won't hold my breath!!  lol)  Will my rant piss people off? maybe...do I care?  NO  I am stating it as I as I see it...as the age old proverbial saying goes..SOMETHING has to change, and it has to come from within for the cycle to break....okay..enough...OUT

It's changing I think. It's gradual...but it's changing.

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"Cops probaly patroll O.B. because they wanna keep really the only somewhat safe neighborhood in the city safe..."

 

Yes, lord knows that I have to dodge gunfire while taking my leisurely walks along Edgewater Drive. I really need to "throw my signs" when I go for a drink at Twist - that crowd will rumble at the drop of a hat! In fact, I almost sat on some crackhead when I got my smoothie over Liquid Planet. Check this out - one time I was waiting for my bus on Clifton and I saw three cars run the red light on Clifton during rush hour! Them sure is some rough streets over here in the E-Dub! West siiiiiiiiide represent! :roll: Hell to the no! Let's raise the roof! :-P

 

Like any other place in any other urban area at night, you have to have your guard up no matter if you're walking on East 105th or Edgewater. 

 

"My home and many of my brothas homes (Not family)"

 

Yes. I'm well aware of the meaning of the term. And I confidently say that I've been MUCH closer to a few men of color than you (unless of course, you have something you'd like to share).

 

hahaha, oh snap! I noticed no one responded to this, probably becuz it's the best retort ever. I love Edgewater. I'd move there if I didn't already live a block away, lol.

 

But what do I know. I have as much street cred as a Barry Manilow greatest hits record. I'm the kind of guy who would cry to get out of a speeding ticket.

 

 

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"You want me to use the N bomb then? Did not think so..."

 

That's your choice. You will be banned if you do. I believe I made that quite clear.

 

I won't, I'm not like that. You just thought me saying "blacks" was inproper grammar or something. I just said that because I could of been ignorant and used that instead. It sounds like your getting at me like Ive used it before though. Just making sure theres no beef though it's all good...

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The simple fact is that every ethnic group has been shit on by another at some point in history. They pull out from underneath when they start caring less about where they've been or what others say about them, and care more for where they're going and how they're going to get there. That focus helps them to deal with the bumps in their path and to regain their direction from the inevitable falls they take.

 

Wearing your troubled past like a badge of honor is a sure way to scare off people who can help you climb the ladder of success (ie: potential employers, loan officers, etc.) and who have their own problems in life. They don't care to take on someone else's problems. They just want to know whether you're a worthy investment of their time and money. And no one climbs the ladder on their own. We all make progress in the climb because someone is willing to give us a chance. If you want to improve your chances, then you're going to have to assimilate into the environments you want to be in. Dress, act and speak professionally.

 

All ethnic groups have had to give up a little bit of who they are on the outside, but they've also influenced their environments in some ways too. You have to give up something to get something. But it doesn't mean you stop being who you are at the core of your soul. They can never take that away from you.


"Most of us have been conditioned to regard military combat as exciting and glamorous -- an opportunity for men to prove their competence and courage. Since armies are legal, we feel that war is acceptable; in general, nobody feels that that war is criminal or that accepting it is a criminal attitude. In fact, we have been brainwashed. War is neither glamorous nor attractive. It is monstrous. Its very nature is one of tragedy and suffering" --Dalai Lama

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KJP, thank you. I think I can safely say that you echoed not only my sentiments, but those of many, many more, to a tee.

 

REP4, just so you understand - my original comment was made at your use of "us blacks represent...". For future reference, I might suggest "In the black community, we represent ..." - see what I mean? :-)

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We can "brag" about how rough OTR compared to E 105 area is...but does it really matter?  Does the buildings that OTR have make it rougher than E 105 because it is a "different" type hood?  Let's look at the number of murders that every city has each year and brag?  I may be over sensitive or an Ahole for going off like this...but this topic is just SAD.  Coldayman...I think even YOU may agree on this one without bustin my balls(but I won't hold my breath!!  lol)

 

I don't even know what you want me to respond to??!?


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>You've tempted me to visit these 2 cities that I previously never even heard of! It sounds like the quality of life is extremely low? Tell us more about these 2 cities, please!

 

They are near Burr Oak State Park, and Chauncey is only 7 or so miles from OU.  A handful of OU grad students live in Chauncey due to the ridiculously low rent (you can rent a house with a leaky roof for like $210/mo) but you have to put up with roving dog packs, motorcycle gangs, naked toddlers playing in the streets, sporadic rifle fire, and a very dangerous country road commute in Rt. 13.  Glouster had a traditional main street with a sudden bend and an otherwise bizarre street layout and hardly any active businesses other than a locally famous boxing gym. 

 

One of my friends who lived in Chauncey managed to get a DUI (jail time, rehab, probation, liscense suspension, all that) there after having only 1 beer because the cop fudged all the paperwork.  His girlfriend was pulled over by the same cop on her motorcycle and he made her sit in his cruiser for an hour while he told her his life story.             

 

 

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>You've tempted me to visit these 2 cities that I previously never even heard of! It sounds like the quality of life is extremely low? Tell us more about these 2 cities, please!

 

They are near Burr Oak State Park, and Chauncey is only 7 or so miles from OU.  A handful of OU grad students live in Chauncey due to the ridiculously low rent (you can rent a house with a leaky roof for like $210/mo) but you have to put up with roving dog packs, motorcycle gangs, naked toddlers playing in the streets, sporadic rifle fire, and a very dangerous country road commute in Rt. 13.  Glouster had a traditional main street with a sudden bend and an otherwise bizarre street layout and hardly any active businesses other than a locally famous boxing gym. 

 

One of my friends who lived in Chauncey managed to get a DUI (jail time, rehab, probation, liscense suspension, all that) there after having only 1 beer because the cop fudged all the paperwork.  His girlfriend was pulled over by the same cop on her motorcycle and he made her sit in his cruiser for an hour while he told her his life story.   

 

These areas are the reason I'm transferring the heck out of OU.

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^Don't think for a second the cops out there won't totally dick you over.  The APD, the Ohio State Highway Patrol, and obviously those clowns up in Nelsonville.  Unfortunately about the only cop I trusted was the one how had his horse fall on his wrist last year, but they even lied about that, saying they were chasing students.  I talked to a girl who witnessed it, they were just riding the horses at a normal speed and the thing just stumbled on some gravel.  They fabricated the story that they were chasing the students just to arouse sympathy from the university and the other easily fooled people around there.  The thing about OU students is that they DON'T lie or exaggerate about their encounters with the police but the police lie like crazy and there's NOTHING you can do about it.  When I was arrested last year the officer put down that I was "belligerent" during the arrest, after reviewing the cruiser video my lawyer just rolled his eyes and said I was probably the most calm and cooperative person he's ever seen on a video.

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I love this thread!!!!!! :)))))

 

What happened to Youngstown folks and its 39 homicides in 2005? Or its 16 as of the date. Or over 100+ arsons this year?

 

Come to our South and East side for one night, and tell me one of these cities or neighborhoods is as dangerous as that.... I doubt!

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Come to East Cleveland for a night fam... Yall had 23 murders in 04, we had 78. That happened to lead all of Ohio. I'm sure that hasn't changed much in 05 and 06. No city like the land when it comes to crime in the OH10. I garantee it. Nothing like side streets after side streets of A-Frame double deckers. Different streets east to west, same housing!!!

 

Im from that CLE-VE-LAND, home of them thugs like my dube E-Beezy!!!

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The ytown dude is right, Im surprised Youngstown has rarely been mentioned in a thread like this.

 

Anyway I congratulate you all for your high city murder rates. Next time I have the unquenchable urge to sleep in dilapidated housing and get a cap in my ass I know where to go.  :roll:

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I represent that to the fullest. I love Cleveland being the highest murder rated city. I come from the hood I'm used to it. Gotta rep where you come from fam. If you aint from that lifestyle then don't make yer little smart remarks toward it. BTW, you would be to scared to try that... I'll give Y-Town one thing, there hoods are more dangerous then Akron & Canton put together.

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  This thread is starting to look like something on Cleveland.com instead UrbanOhio.....hope it gets back on track with actual INFORMATION rather than just opinions....but that is just MY opinion.   (BTW Rep, Cleveland had 115 murders last year...should make you VERY proud!)

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When I first began reading this thread, I was taken aback by the ignorance, sensationalizing of crime, and the misrepresentation of Black America.  Truly, this thread has devolved into sheer and utter embarrassment, shame and humiliation.  Poverty is a social illness that breeds disease, death, and destruction.  For those suffering from the true effects of poverty, their pain is real and nearly inescapable.  Then you have those like this "RepCleveland" person who exploits the real anguish and cancer of poverty for the sake of "street cred" (which I like to define as a lack of self-worth).  Because this "RepCleveland" guy has absolutely no avenue to promote his shameless display of thug-importance, he chooses to come onto a forum and degrade the discussion and exchange.  I have never witnessed this on UrbanOhio in the past.  This forum has been one of the most informative, cohesive, and professional that I have had the honor to participate.  People such as "RepCleveland" is the primary reason that the "hood" cannot rise above its present state.  The "hood" has become their (the wannabe thugs) playground.  Because their purpose in life has not been defined and/or fulfilled, I can see why these lifeless wimps would have a vested interest in maintaining the status quo.  If the "RepClevelands"--that unfortunately must parade among us--ever get serious about their personal lives and their personal/social responsibilities, then I guarantee you the ignorance displayed in his postings would be forever changed.  You would witness him lamenting about crime and poverty in the same manner as those of us that strive for clean, safe, and vibrant core cities and neighborhoods.

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When I first began reading this thread, I was taken aback by the ignorance, sensationalizing of crime, and the misrepresentation of Black America.  Truly, this thread has devolved into sheer and utter embarrassment, shame and humiliation.  Poverty is a social illness that breeds disease, death, and destruction.  For those suffering from the true effects of poverty, their pain is real and nearly inescapable.  Then you have those like this "RepCleveland" person who exploits the real anguish and cancer of poverty for the sake of "street cred" (which I like to define as a lack of self-worth).  Because this "RepCleveland" guy has absolutely no avenue to promote his shameless display of thug-importance, he chooses to come onto a forum and degrade the discussion and exchange.  I have never witnessed this on UrbanOhio in the past.  This forum has been one of the most informative, cohesive, and professional that I have had the honor to participate.  People such as "RepCleveland" is the primary reason that the "hood" cannot rise above its present state.  The "hood" has become their (the wannabe thugs) playground.  Because their purpose in life has not been defined and/or fulfilled, I can see why these lifeless wimps would have a vested interest in maintaining the status quo.  If the "RepClevelands"--that unfortunately must parade among us--ever get serious about their personal lives and their personal/social responsibilities, then I guarantee you the ignorance displayed in his postings would be forever changed.  You would witness him lamenting about crime and poverty in the same manner as those of us that strive for clean, safe, and vibrant core cities and neighborhoods.

 

One of the nicest bitchslaps I've ever seen.


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I mean, damn, I respect...but did you have to hurt 'em with this?

 

I can see why these lifeless wimps would have a vested interest in maintaining the status quo.

 

Woowee!


"You don't just walk into a bar and mix it up by calling a girl fat" - buildingcincinnati speaking about new forumers

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On a serious note, the mentality of "some of our cousins" needs to change--quickly.  We are losing an entire generation to sheer and utter nonsense.  It's enough to make one cry :cry:. 

 

That's why we gotta work harder to give them goals, give them role-models (besides, you know...Maurice Clarrett), and fight for a better education.


"You don't just walk into a bar and mix it up by calling a girl fat" - buildingcincinnati speaking about new forumers

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When I first began reading this thread, I was taken aback by the ignorance, sensationalizing of crime, and the misrepresentation of Black America.  Truly, this thread has devolved into sheer and utter embarrassment, shame and humiliation.  Poverty is a social illness that breeds disease, death, and destruction.  For those suffering from the true effects of poverty, their pain is real and nearly inescapable.  Then you have those like this "RepCleveland" person who exploits the real anguish and cancer of poverty for the sake of "street cred" (which I like to define as a lack of self-worth).  Because this "RepCleveland" guy has absolutely no avenue to promote his shameless display of thug-importance, he chooses to come onto a forum and degrade the discussion and exchange.  I have never witnessed this on UrbanOhio in the past.  This forum has been one of the most informative, cohesive, and professional that I have had the honor to participate.  People such as "RepCleveland" is the primary reason that the "hood" cannot rise above its present state.  The "hood" has become their (the wannabe thugs) playground.  Because their purpose in life has not been defined and/or fulfilled, I can see why these lifeless wimps would have a vested interest in maintaining the status quo.  If the "RepClevelands"--that unfortunately must parade among us--ever get serious about their personal lives and their personal/social responsibilities, then I guarantee you the ignorance displayed in his postings would be forever changed.  You would witness him lamenting about crime and poverty in the same manner as those of us that strive for clean, safe, and vibrant core cities and neighborhoods.

 

You betta preach Ms. Thing! 

 

On a serious note, the mentality of "some of our cousins" needs to change--quickly.  We are losing an entire generation to sheer and utter nonsense.  It's enough to make one cry :cry:. 

 

On a serious note, the mentality of "some of our cousins" needs to change--quickly.  We are losing an entire generation to sheer and utter nonsense.  It's enough to make one cry :cry:. 

 

That's why we gotta work harder to give them goals, give them role-models (besides, you know...Maurice Clarrett), and fight for a better education.

 

and other rappers who glorify "hood-mentality" with no real plan for making any change.

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I saw Spike Lee on C-Span tonight saying pretty much the same thing. In urban schools, getting good grades is considered a bad thing and not keeping it real. As he said, that's crazy!

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When I first began reading this thread, I was taken aback by the ignorance, sensationalizing of crime, and the misrepresentation of Black America.  Truly, this thread has devolved into sheer and utter embarrassment, shame and humiliation.  Poverty is a social illness that breeds disease, death, and destruction.  For those suffering from the true effects of poverty, their pain is real and nearly inescapable.  Then you have those like this "RepCleveland" person who exploits the real anguish and cancer of poverty for the sake of "street cred" (which I like to define as a lack of self-worth).  Because this "RepCleveland" guy has absolutely no avenue to promote his shameless display of thug-importance, he chooses to come onto a forum and degrade the discussion and exchange.  I have never witnessed this on UrbanOhio in the past.  This forum has been one of the most informative, cohesive, and professional that I have had the honor to participate.  People such as "RepCleveland" is the primary reason that the "hood" cannot rise above its present state.  The "hood" has become their (the wannabe thugs) playground.  Because their purpose in life has not been defined and/or fulfilled, I can see why these lifeless wimps would have a vested interest in maintaining the status quo.  If the "RepClevelands"--that unfortunately must parade among us--ever get serious about their personal lives and their personal/social responsibilities, then I guarantee you the ignorance displayed in his postings would be forever changed.  You would witness him lamenting about crime and poverty in the same manner as those of us that strive for clean, safe, and vibrant core cities and neighborhoods.

 

Thank you Columbus_girl, that was so needed and necessary. 

 

On a serious note, the mentality of "some of our cousins" needs to change--quickly.  We are losing an entire generation to sheer and utter nonsense.  It's enough to make one cry :cry:. 

 

That's why we gotta work harder to give them goals, give them role-models (besides, you know...Maurice Clarrett), and fight for a better education.

 

Amen Chris.  That's what bugs me about hip-hop today, these are this generations role models and all the mainstream artist seem to be able to talk about is garbage; money, rims, women, becoming 'hood' rich, and the overall glorification of 'hood' life.  There's nothing wrong with talking about where many of us have come from or at least spent a considerable amount of time in; however, that where we need to end it.  I love talking about and hearing about old hood stories, it's a part of our culture; however, let's switch gears and talk about how to move beyond that life instead of repping how dangerous our hoods are.  Just silly in my opinion; but sadly, this how many of young brothas and sistas think because this the message that's passed along to them by their current 'role models' :-(.  The hood is not a right of passage, it's a reality of life and a sad one at that.  We gotta find ways to get our young folk to look beyond what they see on a daily basis and want more out of life; if we can't get them to see beyond their block, then we can't expect Black America to advance further.

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We gotta find ways to get our young folk to look beyond what they see on a daily basis and want more out of life; if we can't get them to see beyond their block, then we can't expect Black America to advance further.

 

I wouldn't attach color to this situation; it has more to do with income then color.  I do admit that the African American culture has a lack of role models right now, but so does everyone, no matter the color.  In a society today when we do more research in the tv we are going to buy, than the people we elect to office.  Do you really think things will change if we keep that attitude up?  We have made the “rich and famous” almost like gods in society today.  (Which they don’t disserve, most only have a high school education).  We teach our kids it is better to be a football player than a scientist, talk about misplaced values in our culture.  Unfortunately things are going to get A LOT worse than better. 

 

Poverty isn’t something you can fix very easy, and it was the one thing you cannot through money at to fix.  I would be happy to debate that point with any one.  I believe education and schools is the key to this problem.  To bad we are running them into the ground.

 

Unfortunately I see a lot of people riding on the coat tails of there forefathers but doing nothing to change things for themselves. 

 

Reminds me of an episode of The Boondocks, "Return Of The King": http://www.theboondockstv.com/. It is a good show/comic strip, deals with a lot of issues talked about here.  Aaron McGruder in his own right is doing a lot to bring to light the problems in culture today.  Excuse my use of wikipedia, but here is info about the ep: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Return_of_The_King_(Boondocks_episode)

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I wouldn't attach color to this situation; it has more to do with income then color.  I do admit that the African American culture has a lack of role models right now, but so does everyone, no matter the color. 

 

True, true... I was in rant mode at the time, my bad.

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Only one thing needs to be seriously taught to not only turn around poor areas of our inner cities but also give students from there an edge over suburbanites; logic. I can tell you from experience that most students at OSU have poor reasoning skills and they're white suburban kids. Now you're already going to have inner city kids that are lost causes (like a certain someone) so let's focus on the future and give them something that they can use in their everyday lives. This would help these communities appreciate education. Just imagine the surge of black intellectuals. Right now too many think that going to church will make everything better. Well decades have proven that that alone won't do it. The ghetto is filled with Baptist churches and things are just as bad or getting worse. Teaching something practical like logic and how to use it properly would go a long way in turning these areas around.

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Right now too many think that going to church will make everything better.

 

Exactly my frustration with the Black church.  The crisis in the Black community can be traced to the crisis in the Black church.  Once, this institution was the strongest and most cohesive in the Black community.  Now, you have charismatic prosperity ministries popping up all over run-down urban areas preaching about "supernatural riches," "non-medicinal healing," and "prayer over logic."  These "poverty pimps" make a living via the exploitation of mental and social oppression.  I was taken aback at how pronounced the problem is here in Columbus.  I thought I had seen it all when I lived in metro-Atlanta (Dr. Creflo Dollar, Bishop Eddie Long, etc).  Too many of these ministries consider practical logic to be "false teachings" and those, such as myself, that question this manner of teaching are considered " workers of the devil."  I can't tell you how many preachers have wanted to lay hands on me and "cast out demons"--all because I dared question (and even rejected) their teachings.  There is a church that I attend on the South end (Parsons Avenue area).  The poverty is so pronounced inside the church and within the community.  Yet, the Pastor (and she's not the only one) has the audacity to talk down about the middle class and educated in order to make the welfare moms and the ex-convicts feel good about themselves and their present circumstances.  At the same time, she bragged about meeting a young Black male, 28 years old, that was in the process of finishing medical school and how the younger generation are not preparing themselves to obtain such goals.  There is mass confusion within the Black church and the Black community.  Education is seen as both a blessing and a curse.  If you are educated and the leader is not, then you are seen as a threat.  If you are not educated and the leader is, then you are brow-beaten for not living up to your potential.  One problem is that many "Christians" have willed so much of their personal selves and personal decision-making over to corrupt church and political leadership. 

 

In my home, education is a standard--plain and simple.  I remember when my daughter first brought her report card home and announced to me that for every "A" I owed her $10 and for every "B" I owed her $5.  I looked her square in the face and told her no way because "A's and B's" are standard in my home--especially since I know that she is very intelligent and more so because she has a graduate-school educated mother (who's also a free thinker) that's available to assist her in areas where she may struggle.  Another standard that I established in my home was that one weekend out of the month we have a shut-in whereas we read all weekend long for a full weekend--no TV, no telephone, no friends visiting...nothing but reading and discussion of the book that was read.  When my daughter was tested in the 3rd grade, she was reading on a 6th grade level; when she was tested in the 6th grade she was reading on a college level and doing math on a 10th grade level.  Now, if only I can get her bratty behavior under control...LOL!

 

Conovercourt, we will save that discussion for another day :-D!           

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Hey Columbus Girl... I graduated college. I have a life and made something out of myself and I am not a wannabe thug... HATER. If I want to represent for my city that I would die for I will... I wanted to be friendly but you racist haters can kiss my black *** now...

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Hey Columbus Girl... I graduated college.

 

No problem.  I just expect you to act (and write) as though you have a college education.

 

I have a life and made something out of myself and I am not a wannabe thug... HATER.

 

Nah...don't think so Memin Penguin.

 

If I want to represent for my city that I would die for I will...

 

I don't know if you are aware of this fact or not.  It is so much more worthwhile to stick around and be a positive contribution to your city rather than to become a mere statistic.

 

I wanted to be friendly but you racist haters can kiss my black *** now...

 

Trust me, brotha,' there are many Blacks on this forum just as put off by your ignorance--more so than our White, Hispanic, Asian, etc. forumers.  Unlike you, we never attacked you personally...just the ignorant dribble you typed.  With that type of attitude, you will find yourself very isolated on this forum. 

 

 

 

 

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I'M JUST HOOD LIKE THAT. Sticking to my roots for life. I don't act and talk like white folks and people from the burbs my damn bad. You see me, I come from a different culture and lifestlye and yeah I happen to have a positive contribution to my city by representing Cleveland on the And 1 Streetball Mixtape Team. Don't act like I don't do good deeds for my hood. I do community service and If I could get all my homeboys out of the hood I would... YOU DON'T KNOW ME. I won't change for yall either just because yall don't like the hood in me. Don't care about what the other black folks on this forum think. They aint my family...

 

Memin Penguin - Straight wack remark

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