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^^I think it is fine here as the article discusses how all this relates to the design of the convention center (things such as access to the facility among other things)....not much about the commission investigating the mall renovation other than a couple of paragraphs at the end indicating that this can be an evolving design and how it can tie in with future decisions regarding the mall).

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I like the idea of the elevated viewing area and the street-level lobby facing Lakeside, but lots of open questions beyond that.  Totally unclear what this really means for the design of the Mall B surface.  Is the sloped lawn just one possibility (one very affordable possibility, per Appelbaum)?  Does the committee weigh in now?  Could the main design decision here (single entry at south end of Mall B) accommodate alternative Mall design concepts?

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The way I read it, the architects had to develop the convention center with the budget of $425MM.  MMPI, then later the city reached out to groups to make the roof of the center, the mall, a dynamic place.  (probably to keep cars parking in their parking lots even when there is not a show in town...but I digress)

 

So, now the CC architects have given the groups in charge of the public spaces its canvas to work with.  Their job now is to find the right amenities to bring to the mall, and the funding of how to do it.

 

(My further guess is that eventually the mall will be administered by Cleveland Metroparks, and it will serve as the crown jewel of the emerald necklace.  Mostly because they are good with money and have deep pockets.)

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awesome. an elegant and simple solution that can be built within the budget. i imagine the top will be infilled with all sorts of activities depending on the feedback they get from that new group plan commission.. but i dont expect that overall scheme to change. smart to include two entrances so that they can put on two half-scale shows at once or other configurations. i did hear that it wont ruin the view completely from the fountain, but only cover up to browns stadium.

 

this is serious revitalization progress. shock! a good public space design in cleveland! lets pray this design holds water.

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LMN Architects have been very creative throughout this process.  It is obvious that a lot of thought has gone into this project.  And I think that this project is not easy to design given the constraints of it mostly being underground using the existing foundation and trying to be creative above ground.

 

First, I liked the idea of having underground space beneath the Medical Mart and having an "L" shaped convention center that can be subdivided.  Now, they have outdone themselves with the sloping hill and the entrance on Lakeside.

 

I assume that MMPI chose the architects and I applaud them.  Well chosen!  I can't wait to see the designs for the Medical Mart itself. 

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I just found this link to more information about the design.  Click on the link to the pdf that has much more information about the design.  Two designs are discussed: 1. the one presented in the posts above and 2. using a flat Mall B with a split entrance to either side of the Northern part of Mall B so that the lake views can be preserved.  Both are compared in the pdf with strong arguments for option #1.

 

http://www.wkyc.com/news/local/story.aspx?storyid=142858&catid=130

 

 

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That rendering on Page 21 is pretty cool looking.  I like the single lobby because when you enter the lobby you will be overlooking the main exhibition floor connecting you to the space, where as I think think the splint entrance would give you the feeling like you are entering a mine or something really reinforcing the undreground aspect(reminds me of the connecting tunnel to Terminal d at CLE)

 

The best part is the CC is only really taking up 250 ft of street frontage. That is the nature of the underground design I know but I think about how other cities CC take up block after block of streets, leaving a void.

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My further guess is that eventually the mall will be administered by Cleveland Metroparks, and it will serve as the crown jewel of the emerald necklace.

 

Hope not. No booze allowed in the parks! Just kidding...but seriously.

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I really like the unified entry format!  The master plan for the Mall (on page 26) will be great if ever fully realized.  We got it right with this location!  This is a great plan and should finally get more people to enjoy the Mall as a great urban space.

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Those are some big sea gulls on page 27!

 

Ok just so I have this straight in my head, there appears to be a large ramp in the entry of the actual MM that leads down to the exhibition level (page 9). Is that what everybody else takes that to be?

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I very much prefer the unified idea.  The split idea doesn't even leave much of a view open.

 

And can they please not plant stupid tall grasses everywhere so that people can at least use the lawn. :)

 

 

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O.K. for those of you(and me) who could spend way to much time going over minute details of the med mart. Here are 3 pdf's that I don't think have been posted yet. Enjoy.

 

spaces - http://blog.cleveland.com/metro/2009/04/spaces.pdf

functions -  http://blog.cleveland.com/metro/2009/04/functions.pdf

systems - http://blog.cleveland.com/metro/2009/04/Systems.pdf

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FYI, the article below has a hyperlink to the full design summary of the convention center in PDF form.  Just click on "conceptual designs" in the article.  Has a few nice diagrams.

 

 

 

http://www.cleveland.com/cuyahoga-county/index.ssf/2010/08/cleveland_planning_commission_postpones_vote_on_med_mart_designs.html

 

Looks like the planning commision liked the plans on the CC but postponed the vote to get more detail on the actuall MM portion.

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As I mentioned earlier, Im a bit concerned about the deminished exhibition space on the main floor with the elimination of the spaces below mall c, and instead the overabundance of meeting rooms (something that Public Hall would have incorporated much of.

 

But now (not mentioned in the PD article) for budget reasons they also cut the extentent of exhibit space that would have gone below the MM building.

 

I just think this could really limit some of the functions and bringing some of the shows that are now at IX and other places back downtown (as well as being very small by industry standards). 

 

From the crains article:

"Committee members were concerned that compromises made — in part to keep the project on budget — could make the trade show complex less competitive with other convention centers.

 

The plan still includes the roughly 300,000 square feet of space upon which the city, the county and developer MMPI Inc. have agreed. However, the plan now lacks the full 270,000 square feet of prime exhibit space originally envisioned.

 

Instead, it has 232,000 square feet of prime space, which is defined as having 30-foot ceiling heights and 90 feet between columns, as well as about 125,000 square feet of flexible space that can be used either to expand exhibition space or broken down into meeting rooms. Part of the reason for the loss of 38,000 square feet of the more desirable exhibition space, Mr. Reddington said, was to keep the project within budget."

 

http://www.crainscleveland.com/article/20100806/FREE/100809883

 

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It's OK.  I still think the cable suspended ceiling from very early renderings with the cable piers poking out above ground was the most elegant solution.  All sight lines preserved.  I wonder why that was abandoned.

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Tedolph, I think you're thinking of the very early design, when they thought they were going to dig up the current CC foundations and dig out the extra depth needed to have 30' ceilings.  That was significantly more expensive, and it was decided (years ago) to keep the current foundation.  This is what necessitates all the contortions to try to keep views of the lake and not make Mall B into a raised space cut off from street level.

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I guess the question I have if whether it is possible within the current budget (or possible at all) to prep the space under the MM for future expansion (if there is a need and the $$ can be found due to the need).  In other words build to Ontario and somehow monthball the area.  I would imagine it would be almost impossible to extend the space to Ontario once the MM is built without disrupting things upstairs.  Could they engineer such a monthball spaced and would it need little to no maintenance?  Again I just do not know.

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^It would be possible to prep the space under the MM for expansion, but it would come at a significant cost that is not within the current budget.

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One of my biggest questions is - a major problem with the current convention center are the loading docks, well the lack thereof. When you have limited loading docks, exhibitors and show producers have to pay the overtime that racks up from the trucks idling while waiting for their delivery/pickup. I believe the current total of loading docks is two - now, is it just me, or am I only seeing maybe ten at most*? Sure, it's better than what's there now but from what I understand, the ideal is in excess of twenty.

 

*I'm not an engineer but I'm pretty sure the "sawtooth" area to the right of the blue boxes represents the loading dock area, and if this is similar to other schematics I've seen of other centers, each "notch" represents one loading dock.:

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^I think you're looking at the wrong level.  The loading docks should continue under the "blue boxes".  It appears that there are closer to 20 loading docks.

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While there are certainly deficiencies with the center for one reason or another (of course keeping within the budget is a major factor), square footage perhaps being one, I really think Cleveland is fortunate given the nature of the facility.

That is the fact that the facility is underground.  Unlike many other major American cities we will not have what is basically a huge box or warehouse with blank walls in the center of our downtown.  Even many convention center where design was not an after thought (which are really rare) tend to be hulking structures which impede street life in the general area of the facility.

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^danmc, those floorplans have not been updated to account for the "L" shaped exhibit space that extends below the MedMart building, and were created back when Public Auditorium was an option. They are a bit out of date, alas.

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Hootenany & MayDay, thanks for the schematics and the informed discussion. That sort of discussion and data is what I've come to expect here at UO.

 

Question: I'm having trouble orienting the schematics shown above. What street is at the right of the schematic that has the entrance to the loading docks?


"Life is 10% what happens to you and 90% how you respond." -- Coach Lou Holtz

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^ That is the existing driveway that begins at W. 6th Street and hugs the north side of the Huntington Park Garage. You can see it in this view.

 

Nothing loaded at Bing -- apparently I need an update! But I know the location you speak of. To the right (north) is where the intermodal transportation center may go.

 

EDIT: as a part of the intermodal transportation and its pedestrian linkages to North Coast Harbor, I remain hopeful that safe, attractive, round-the-clock, public-access pedestrian routes will be available through the convention center from north to south.

 

There is something very attractive to me about me being an out-of-town visitor attending a trade-show sponsored event at the rock hall in the middle of winter, and walking back to my hotel on/near St. Clair or Superior without having to go outside. Or, there's a advanced manufacturing or technology-related event at the Science Center and I can head back into downtown through this facility. Or I'm leaving from my hotel room late in the evening and catching a train back home or vice-versa.


"Life is 10% what happens to you and 90% how you respond." -- Coach Lou Holtz

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There is something very attractive to me about me being an out-of-town visitor attending a trade-show sponsored event at the rock hall in the middle of winter, and walking back to my hotel on/near St. Clair or Superior without having to go outside. Or, there's a advanced manufacturing or technology-related event at the Science Center and I can head back into downtown through this facility. Or I'm leaving from my hotel room late in the evening and catching a train back home or vice-versa.

 

I totally agree.  It was unpopular when discussed a year or two ago, but I would support a system of underground connections that linked the MM/CC all the way to Tower City if it were affordable (which it probably is not).  I wouldn't necessarily use them, but I imagine they would make the city a whole lot more appealing for winter conventions.

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Even if it didn't go all the way under Public Square, that's fine. But there's going to be a revamped subterranean space built downtown. It'd be a shame if it wasn't publicly accessible for access between the center of downtown (perhaps as far south as the Arcade) and the lakefront attractions.


"Life is 10% what happens to you and 90% how you respond." -- Coach Lou Holtz

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I'm not in favor of any underground connections. 

 

This is a big city and "impressions" on the street is what marketers are looking for and area's around convetion centers are key locations. 

 

Build more things at NCH and between NCH and the revamped center and people probably wont complain about the walk.

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huh.. well with the intermodal transit hub comes covered access from the convention center to the lakefront. a good situation IMO.. that crummy bridge (though by the free stamp) is stampeded by tourists daily. that whole promenade could use a serious tune-up.

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This is also borderline "Mall Renovation" thread, but great news to finally hear about this momentum.

 

Cleveland Planning Commission grants convention center preliminary approval

Published: Friday, August 20, 2010, 1:11 PM   

Laura Johnston, The Plain Dealer

 

 

 

CLEVELAND, Ohio -- The Cleveland Planning Commission today conditionally approved the design for a downtown convention center, giving the go-ahead to slope the mall between Public Auditorium and a to-be-designed medical mart.

 

Members have not yet signed off on the mart building, the other half of Cuyahoga County's $425 million, taxpayer-financed project, because they haven't seen  detailed drawings. They also want more information on the square footage and layout of the underground convention center and more frequent meetings with the county's developer, Chicago-based MMPI.

 

But their approval allows the county to move forward with its plans, including breaking ground as soon as October.

 

http://www.cleveland.com/cuyahoga-county/index.ssf/2010/08/cleveland_planning_commission_grants_convention_center_preliminary_approval.html

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MMPI posted a construction manager position on Careerboard on 8/30. I will link when I am on a PC. Anybody interested. That's a good sign at least.

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MMPI Inc. sees interest grow in Cleveland medical mart and convention center project

2:07 pm, September 1, 2010

 

It appears interest is growing in the planned medical merchandise mart and convention center in Cleveland.

 

MMPI Inc., the Chicago-based developer behind the project, said it has received its 32nd signed letter of intent from a tenant for permanent showroom space in the medical mart. MMPI said it also has 16 letters of intent for conferences, conventions and trade shows at the complex.

 

Both numbers represent significant increases in letters of intent from a June announcement highlighting 24 permanent showrooms and 12 conferences, conventions and trade shows.

 

READ MORE AT:

http://www.crainscleveland.com/article/20100901/FREE/100909983


"Life is 10% what happens to you and 90% how you respond." -- Coach Lou Holtz

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