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That's a handsome-looking building. Scranton is going to be so different, from Eagle all the way up the hill, in a few years. Take your pictures soon and do a then-and-now comparison in 2025.

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On 7/1/2019 at 10:54 PM, KJP said:

That's a handsome-looking building. Scranton is going to be so different, from Eagle all the way up the hill, in a few years. Take your pictures soon and do a then-and-now comparison in 2025.

Agreed, and the strangest part is that Scranton seemed to have so little potential as there was not much there to dovetail with new investment. I remember seeing a sign for The Lincoln (https://hortonharper.com/work/the-lincoln/ ) and thinking, “why put that building on this wasteland stretch of Tremont?” I would have predicted Scranton’s future as a connection between hotspots rather than a hotspot itself. Happy to be wrong. 

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BTW, that intersection of Scranton-Willey-Kenilworth is going to look very different in the not too distant future -- hopefully! Two corners, and possibly a third, have some action. The only corner without any activity is the old Pizza Pan property.

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2 hours ago, KJP said:

BTW, that intersection of Scranton-Willey-Kenilworth is going to look very different in the not too distant future -- hopefully! Two corners, and possibly a third, have some action. The only corner without any activity is the old Pizza Pan property.

 

Do you know what is planned for the southwest corner (the empty lot)?

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36 minutes ago, gg707 said:

 

Do you know what is planned for the southwest corner (the empty lot)?

 

Apartments on the SW corner. Townhouses on the NW corner. NE corner just sold but I don't know to whom.


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Case 19-030: Astrup Awning Company
2937 West 25th Street
Renovation
Ward 14: Santana
Project Representatives: Matt Stevenson, City Architecture; Rick Foran, The Foran Group

 

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There's plenty of them. All of the modern ones are out in the collar counties where land is clean, green and doesn't require as much assembly or clearance of multiple liens.

 

Astrup Awning is an obsolete, multi-story manufacturing building like most of the others being converted to new uses or are leveled.

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30 minutes ago, KJP said:

There's plenty of them. All of the modern ones are out in the collar counties where land is clean, green and doesn't require as much assembly or clearance of multiple liens.

 

Astrup Awning is an obsolete, multi-story manufacturing building like most of the others being converted to new uses or are leveled.

 

The big issue for industrial property in the city and inner ring remains CERCLA.    Much of the cleared land is around the Opportunity Corridor, which was rather ingeniously planned to clean up a lot of problem areas.

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Judging by the s###show I just came across here, I’m no longer surprised as to why they decided to butcher the building. Rampant incompetence at play on this site. Sad.

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22 minutes ago, marty15 said:

Judging by the shitshow I just came across here, I’m no longer surprised as to why they decided to butcher the building. Rampant incompetence at play on this site. Sad.

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Wow. I bought a couple of rehabbed old bikes there from Mitch (?) back in the day. I also had a good friend who once briefly rented the “apartment” upstairs from him. It was... modest. Many hazy nights spent hanging out in that creepy building. Another slice of old Tremont vanishing for good. But I agree with you, @marty15. Not surprising at all. 

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20 minutes ago, marty15 said:

Judging by the shitshow I just came across here, I’m no longer surprised as to why they decided to butcher the building. Rampant incompetence at play on this site. Sad.

 

 

 

Holy crap, what even happened? It's almost like it was intentional, yesh.

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Anyone hurt??


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27 minutes ago, KJP said:

Anyone hurt??

No idea. They looked to be in clean up mode when I came by. Would love to know why someone thought it was a good idea to destroy the original facade. Tuck pointing brick is pretty basic stuff. 

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My understanding is that the walls shifted when they cut the last of the fire-damaged roof. The scaffolding broke loose and collapsed, taking out the power lines in the process.

 

 

On 4/26/2019 at 7:44 PM, w28th said:

^its moving, rehab of brick facade is pretty intricate.

 

Usually. 🤔

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The existing rental at the corner of West 7th and Jefferson, across from Tremont Place Lofts, was demolished this week to make way for Grosvenor Place, a 21 unit apartment building. Pics taken yesterday.

 

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Looks like the developer of this disaster of a project has thrown in the towel following the facade/roof collapse. It’s up for sale and looks like work has come to a halt.

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27 minutes ago, mtnbikefan said:

Stage 4 of the Towpath Trail Extension Project, which will close University Ave. to car traffic starts construction October 16th. 

 

wait, what?  More street closures?  So now W 5, 6, 7, 10, 11 Pl, 11, and 13 will all just dead end? Please tell me this is  just a temporary closure.

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That's REALLY a bad move. Do the residents of W 5, 6, 7, 10, 11 Pl, 11, and 13 Sts know that the city is removing their 50% of their ability to arrive at or leave their streets? A single route of access is like getting to a cul-de-sac in the suburbs? How much do we have to destroy this city? For those above who thumbsuped/loved this comment, why?

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26 minutes ago, marty15 said:

Looks like the developer of this disaster of a project has thrown in the towel following the facade/roof collapse. It’s up for sale and looks like work has come to a halt.

 

There was a stop work order from the city stapled to the front of the building after the initial collapse. Not sure if there are fines or other issues preventing it from restarting.

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3 minutes ago, Pugu said:

That's REALLY a bad move. Do the residents of W 5, 6, 7, 10, 11 Pl, 11, and 13 Sts know that the city is removing their 50% of their ability to arrive at or leave their streets? A single route of access is like getting to a cul-de-sac in the suburbs? How much do we have to destroy this city? For those above who thumbsuped/loved this comment, why?

Avid Biker and Runner who loves the trails. I see your concern as well and that is an issue as well. I thought this was a temp closure though.

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^I hope you're right that's it temporary for construction. Otherwise, we'd have to close the path at some point to do more construction to replace the street so the residents of the City and of Tremont aren't screwed by this. We'll end up spending more money to fix this and money tied up in the courts as people fight this.  The PD is not always right, but I hope they are in this case---in this article I found, it says:

 

"The final piece of the trail will go west along University Road in Tremont and under the George V. Voinovich Bridge and winding its way through the Flats."

 

So hopefully that means--as it says, "along"--and not "in lieu of".

 

https://www.cleveland.com/metro/2019/04/final-stage-of-towpath-trail-construction-to-start-in-june.html

 

 

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@Pugu same with @WindyBuckeye - my reaction was moreso for the construction of the towpath, continuing progress towards full connectivity, not towards the street closure.

 

I don't live in Tremont and only know this area through biking, but do many people actually use the street south of 7th? It seems like it's mostly used for street parking, and rarely have I seen a car traveling towards Literary, but those are my observations, I'm probably wrong haha.

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University will be for the most part closed between W5th and W11th, however all (but 1 house's garage at the corner of W10th) have vehicle access behind them via an alley. Only W6th has a cul-de-sac, but it connects an extension of the alley between 5th & 6th, so there aren't any dead ends. Only 14 houses (10 being the townhouses between 7th & 6th) will no longer have a road in front of their property. The cul-de-sac location is currently an empty grass field, and the Univeristy/10th/7th intersection is a needlessly large piece of asphalt. 

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This is just my preference, but I would prefer a beautified multi-use pathway with improved views of downtown than a one way road fronted by a guardrail with overgrown foliage. 

 

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Exactly, it effects very few home owners, and those on university who have garages facing the street will still have access.  I’m so glad this is finally starting 

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28 minutes ago, NorthShore647 said:

University will be for the most part closed between W5th and W11th, however all (but 1 house's garage at the corner of W10th) have vehicle access behind them via an alley. Only W6th has a cul-de-sac, but it connects an extension of the alley between 5th & 6th, so there aren't any dead ends. Only 14 houses (10 being the townhouses between 7th & 6th) will no longer have a road in front of their property. The cul-de-sac location is currently an empty grass field, and the Univeristy/10th/7th intersection is a needlessly large piece of asphalt. 

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This is just my preference, but I would prefer a beautified multi-use pathway with improved views of downtown than a one way road fronted by a guardrail with overgrown foliage. 

 

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Thanks for taking the time to explain all this and give context to the street closure which seems to be a no brainer.

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34 minutes ago, NorthShore647 said:

University will be for the most part closed between W5th and W11th, however all (but 1 house's garage at the corner of W10th) have vehicle access behind them via an alley. Only W6th has a cul-de-sac, but it connects an extension of the alley between 5th & 6th, so there aren't any dead ends. Only 14 houses (10 being the townhouses between 7th & 6th) will no longer have a road in front of their property. The cul-de-sac location is currently an empty grass field, and the Univeristy/10th/7th intersection is a needlessly large piece of asphalt. 

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This is just my preference, but I would prefer a beautified multi-use pathway with improved views of downtown than a one way road fronted by a guardrail with overgrown foliage. 

 

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Do you happen to know how long the project will take?

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Do you happen to know how long the project will take?

There may be a more recent timeline, but as of this spring: "Construction on the fourth and final stage of the Towpath Trail in Cleveland is expected to begin in June and wrap up by the end of 2020."

 

Link: https://www.cleveland.com/metro/2019/04/final-stage-of-towpath-trail-construction-to-start-in-june.html

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4 minutes ago, NorthShore647 said:

There may be a more recent timeline, but as of this spring: "Construction on the fourth and final stage of the Towpath Trail in Cleveland is expected to begin in June and wrap up by the end of 2020."

 

Link: https://www.cleveland.com/metro/2019/04/final-stage-of-towpath-trail-construction-to-start-in-june.html

So early 2021 it seems just in time for spring.

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2 hours ago, WindyBuckeye said:

So early 2021 it seems just in time for spring.

Hopefully they're faster than the Jennings Rd. stretch, I swear it's been under construction for 2 years at this point, thankfully they only have the RR crossing left!

 

Edit: I get it started in July of 2018, it feels like it's been two years. Also, the RR crossing is NOT finished, so it is NOT fully ready for use. Yesh, didn't mean to ruffle so many feathers.

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1 hour ago, mtnbikefan said:

Stage 1 started construction in late July 2018.

Well as someone who lives in Old Brooklyn and uses this cycling route daily, it's been a very long year without much of a plan to keep cyclists and pedestrians safe. But alas, they're wrapping it up, woo to the next phase!

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2 hours ago, GISguy said:

Hopefully they're faster than the Jennings Rd. stretch, I swear it's been under construction for 2 years at this point, thankfully they only have the RR crossing left!

Started in Summer of 2018 and its available for use.

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Silly question—are they really cutting down all those trees north of W. 5 and replacing it with a bunch of grass and 17 (presumably Norwegian Maple or some other invasive) trees? They’ll probably get tar spot disease almost immediately and look like the plagued trees up at the Clinic. Not great when you’re “building a park” and “connecting us to nature.” Especially in Cleveland where we have <20% of our canopy left and are supposed to have audacious recanopy goals. 

 

Sorry, I care more about nature than connections. 😬😇

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They're putting a Bridge in north of West 5th.  There is hardly a "canopy" north of 5th....Its a gravel yard

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The Jackson administration never got the memo about the “Forest City”. One would think he’s aligned with the concrete lobby, if there is one. 

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8 hours ago, marty15 said:

The Jackson administration never got the memo about the “Forest City”. One would think he’s aligned with the concrete lobby, if there is one. 

 

There absolutely is a concrete lobby, as there is an asphalt lobby and a general road paving and construction lobby. They're very powerful. ODOT is their ATM.

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On 10/2/2019 at 1:19 PM, NorthShore647 said:

University will be for the most part closed between W5th and W11th, however all (but 1 house's garage at the corner of W10th) have vehicle access behind them via an alley. Only W6th has a cul-de-sac, but it connects an extension of the alley between 5th & 6th, so there aren't any dead ends. Only 14 houses (10 being the townhouses between 7th & 6th) will no longer have a road in front of their property. The cul-de-sac location is currently an empty grass field, and the Univeristy/10th/7th intersection is a needlessly large piece of asphalt. 

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This is just my preference, but I would prefer a beautified multi-use pathway with improved views of downtown than a one way road fronted by a guardrail with overgrown foliage. 

 

 

Northshore---thanks for the great graphic. So its not as bad as I was expecting, but it is still a street closure. The cul-de-sac at W6 is absolutely atrocious.  Regarding your comment, "but I would prefer a beautified multi-use pathway with improved views of downtown than a one way road fronted by a guardrail with overgrown foliage."  We could have both a road a beautiful multi-use pathway. The path could be built north of the University. If more land is needed, then just extend the "landbridge" at W5 westbound, though it would not need to be so wide (north-south)--just deep enough for the path. This way, the road stays open, residents are not screwed, and the path is built with a new, beautiful view.

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I understand the argument for preserving street networks and preventing dead ends, but University Road may be the least integral piece of roadway in the entire neighborhood (also there are no dead ends in this project). There are many compelling arguments to be had against infrastructure projects reducing neighborhood connectivity, but this is not one of them. This project increases connectivity, just not through preserving roadways. If there are any ways in which the residents are being screwed, its by the existing roadway network design. Any project that gets rid of one of the cities many unnecessarily large intersections while improving the safety and usability of public space for anything other than a car is a win in my book. 

 

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In regards to building both a multi-use path and roadway, my assumption is that it would be quite expensive given that there really isn't a lot of room to work with in this particular stretch along the bluff. Any money that would theoretically go to a project like that would be better placed on further reducing the roadways in the area and the entire city. West 10th has no need to be as wide as it is. Neither do many other primarily residential streets throughout the city. The limited resources available for roadway infrastructure in Cleveland should almost exclusively go towards making complete streets and reducing the non-permeable surface area creating a more sustainable, enjoyable and safer transportation experience. A good example of something small is the (2013?) intersection improvements on Professor Ave just around the corner from this. 

 

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TL;DR - The city should reduce road capacity in neighborhoods whenever they can. In nearly every case, reducing roadways = a more livable city. 

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