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^ I personally do not think that NK has nuclear capabilities.  During the Obama it was reported that NK had nuclear capability but it turned out that Mike Flynn was full of it.  A lot of what I read is that it is extremely difficult to get any intel out of NK.

I don't trust everything I read. What did Mike Flynn do? Meuller and Powell were full of it also testifying that Iraq had WMD, probably courtesy of the CIA. N. Korea has boosted/hydrogen fission bombs and they have detonated at 4 of them in tests. The have ICBMs. They question is can they arm them.

 

I don't know all of the detail but in 2014? when Flynn was Director of DIA in the Obama administration he had determined that NK had nuclear missile capability but it turned out not to be true.  Some intelligence experts are skeptical that NK has ICBM capabilities or ability to arm missiles.  I am not an expert on this stuff and maybe I want to convince myself that we have nothing to worry about.

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Trump's threat closely mimicked the rhetoric routinely used by KJU, both in style and tone.  I wonder if that was intentional.  Even though he stumbled over the words a bit, as he usually does, it seemed like the remarks were pre-planned.  Maybe it was one of those "talk his language" suggestions, ending up with the conclusion that Trump already does talk KJU's language. 

 

If we have to use military force against NK, then that is something we have to do.  But every diplomatic option should be exhausted.  Every prior President has been able to hold this dictatorship at bay without starting another war on that peninsula.  If we do go to war, it would be nice to have a strong international coalition.  That is what concerns me about The Donald.  I have no faith he has the necessary leadership and diplomacy skills to build one.  The other significant world leaders either view him as weak and feeble or don't have the necessary respect for Trump to follow him.

If the goal was a non nuclear N. Korea then Clinton, Bush and Obama failed.

 

Let's try to focus on the present.  NK allegedly now has a nuclear warhead and it came about on The Donald's watch.  No need to play the blame game.  We are where we are now with the current President calling the shots.  Clinton, Bush and Obama didn't have to respond to the current threat.  The Donald does have to respond.  Let's hope he can de-escalate things.  That would show strength and ability.  Any chump can order a bunch of 20 somethings into a war zone.

That is wrong,

North Korea has conducted a total of five nuclear tests, in 2006, 2009, 2013 and twice in 2016

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_nuclear_weapons_tests_of_North_Korea

 

No.  That is right.  Keyword: warhead

 

Are you contending that nothing new has happened in the past few days?

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^ I personally do not think that NK has nuclear capabilities.  During the Obama it was reported that NK had nuclear capability but it turned out that Mike Flynn was full of it.  A lot of what I read is that it is extremely difficult to get any intel out of NK.

I don't trust everything I read. What did Mike Flynn do? Meuller and Powell were full of it also testifying that Iraq had WMD, probably courtesy of the CIA. N. Korea has boosted/hydrogen fission bombs and they have detonated at 4 of them in tests. The have ICBMs. They question is can they arm them.

 

I don't know all of the detail but in 2014? when Flynn was Director of DIA in the Obama administration he had determined that NK had nuclear missile capability but it turned out not to be true.  Some intelligence experts are skeptical that NK has ICBM capabilities or ability to arm missiles.  I am not an expert on this stuff and maybe I want to convince myself that we have nothing to worry about.

Some experts believe the recent tests are consistent with bombs small enough to put on an ICBM. I just do not want the CIA/Defense Contractors/Military Industrial complex to get us into a ground war invasion over there.

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A war with N. Korea is a lose-lose situation.  That is why I wish that Trump wouldn't speak off the cuff about this.  Perhaps previous administrations did not do enough but it is his baby now. When you become president you are fully aware of what's going on in the world. If Trump doesn't know what to do (which is fine) he should rely on his experts.  Problem being, He doesn't have any East Asia experts in the administration and he ends up listening to dummies like Gorka instead of actual experts.

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^ A North Korea with nuclear capable ICBM's is a lose-lose situation. Right now, there's some solace in that they don't have MIRVs so we have a realistic chance of intercepting their missiles, and an even greater chance of targeting and destroying their missiles and nuclear weapons on the ground, before they are able to be used. Even if Japan and US intelligence is wrong, and they don't have miniaturized warheads, it's only a matter of time (and for the last 5-10 years, it was always just a matter of time). Forcing the region, and eventually the world, to live under the fear of a crazy, rouge dictator possessing the ability to wipe entire cities off the face of the plan is not an acceptable solution.

 

As for an action war, for a decade or so I've thought the only way to minimize loses )on what would hopefully be a UN coalition side) would be a first strike. In theory, any medium or long range ballistic missiles could be destroyed immediately, and significant damage could be done to North Korean long range conventional and rocket artillery. If we wait for NK to make a first move, they get to utilize all of that - potentially for hours or even longer. Those are the items that would do the most damage to our troops and allies in the region. We don't seem to be anywhere near a first strike, though. We'd first see weeks or even a month+ of buildup, and at that scale it probably wouldn't be possible to keep quiet.

 

Also, a part of me thinks the rumors of NK tunnels under the DMZ, impenetrable artillery sites, etc. are overblown scare tactics to keep the South Korean people willing to support a war. These are the type of conventional fortifications the bulk of American weapons are designed to destroy. If there really are tunnels into SK under the DMZ, we know exactly where they are - they would be easy to find with ground penetrating radar. If NK were to send tens or even hundreds of thousands of troops into said tunnels, they'd lose tens or even hundreds of thousands of troops to a proportionally small number of fuel air bombs. Most would suffocate trying to dig themselves out. It wouldn't be pretty, but the doomsday scenarios of artillery fire leveling Seoul or a million troops pouring over the DMZ are way, way overblown - so long as we make the first move.

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Also remember that the US is downwind from Korea, so if any nuclear materials are detonated or otherwise dispersed (such as in a preemptive strike) into the atmosphere, some portion will rain down on us here.

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Sorry, but after living through the Cold War with the Soviet Union's larger military pointed at you, I don't consider North Korea to be all that scary. Neither apparently does the US military....

 

Despite Rhetoric On North Korea, U.S. Military Posture Hasn't Really Changed

http://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2017/08/11/542799683/despite-rhetoric-on-north-korea-u-s-military-posture-hasnt-really-changed


"Nearly every problem that we have in the USA -- unaffordable health care, prison overpopulation, hyper militarization, climate change, racism, gun violence, poverty, poor education, urban sprawl and others -- cannot be positively addressed because bribery and conflicts of interest are legal under campaign finance laws which protect the uber-wealthy and the narrow self-interests who grossly benefit from our afflictions."

 

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First of all, does anyone else think this thread title should be changed to "In The World: North Korea?" Lately, I've just been sick of headlines that refer to North Korea as simply, "Korea." It's ridiculous. There's certainly a difference between North and South Korea and I thought that everyone knew that by now. In fact, that's an understatement, to say there's a difference. It's literally the difference between night and day. Yet, some journalists aren't even making that distinction. In deed, North Korea news pertains to South Korea as well but no more or less than it pertains to the U.S., Japan, and to a slightly lesser degree - China and Russia.

 

Secondly, Americans in general, are f-ing stupid. This is anecdotal but I've seen dozens of similar videos to this over the years:

 

 

Not only should the ability of locating N. Korea on a map be easy with nothing more than a high school education but considering N. Korea is in mainstream news headlines constantly, with regular mention of China, Japan, Russia and S. Korea being the nearby, concerned borders, this should be a no-brainer. Folks should be able to point to at least a better general area. South America? Are you kidding me? You don't at least know that 'Koreans' are Asian and would know to point to what I'd expect you to recognize as Asia?!

 

Everyone talks about how stupid Americans are, and I agree, but the reality of the situation is that humans in general are just a horrible, destructive, polluting, invasive species on this earth. As George Carlin put it, we're nothing more than a surface disease that mother nature can take care of. Even if it were a result of nuclear weapons wiping out cities and those outside of cities dying slowly from radiation poisoning, the obliteration of our species would do the earth much more good than harm. I'm starting to think I can't even blame people for not even caring about this species, let alone the crisis with N. Korea.

 

If we all died tomorrow, we'd be doing the earth a huge favor.

 

 

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If we all died tomorrow, we'd be doing the earth a huge favor.

 

WTF? A youtube geography video has you that pressed.

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If we all died tomorrow, we'd be doing the earth a huge favor.

 

WTF? A youtube geography video has you that pressed.

A reading of "Homo Deus," the New York Times bestseller by Yuval Noah Harari, will undoubtedly alter his thinking.  :-D

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Also, a part of me thinks the rumors of NK tunnels under the DMZ, impenetrable artillery sites, etc. are overblown scare tactics to keep the South Korean people willing to support a war. These are the type of conventional fortifications the bulk of American weapons are designed to destroy. If there really are tunnels into SK under the DMZ, we know exactly where they are - they would be easy to find with ground penetrating radar. If NK were to send tens or even hundreds of thousands of troops into said tunnels, they'd lose tens or even hundreds of thousands of troops to a proportionally small number of fuel air bombs. Most would suffocate trying to dig themselves out. It wouldn't be pretty, but the doomsday scenarios of artillery fire leveling Seoul or a million troops pouring over the DMZ are way, way overblown - so long as we make the first move.

 

The Chinese have already warmed Trump about taking preemptive action.  If they do, the Chinese will defend the political status quo on the peninsula.  If North Korea strikes first, the Chinese will remain neutral. 

 

Does anyone like Donald Trump playing chess with the Chinese?

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Also, a part of me thinks the rumors of NK tunnels under the DMZ, impenetrable artillery sites, etc. are overblown scare tactics to keep the South Korean people willing to support a war. These are the type of conventional fortifications the bulk of American weapons are designed to destroy. If there really are tunnels into SK under the DMZ, we know exactly where they are - they would be easy to find with ground penetrating radar. If NK were to send tens or even hundreds of thousands of troops into said tunnels, they'd lose tens or even hundreds of thousands of troops to a proportionally small number of fuel air bombs. Most would suffocate trying to dig themselves out. It wouldn't be pretty, but the doomsday scenarios of artillery fire leveling Seoul or a million troops pouring over the DMZ are way, way overblown - so long as we make the first move.

 

The Chinese have already warmed Trump about taking preemptive action.  If they do, the Chinese will defend the political status quo on the peninsula.  If North Korea strikes first, the Chinese will remain neutral. 

 

Does anyone like Donald Trump playing chess with the Chinese?

 

The Chinese have been playing chess with the US for quite some time so it's not like we're dragging some neutral power into a defensive stance. The Chinese literally built an island for a military base in supposed international waters in the South China Sea to scare it's neighbors. Even the communist government in Vietnam is taking an issue with what China claims is "theirs". It's no secret the Chinese want the US out of South Korea, Japan and the Philippines and they've taken action to make that point.

 

Also, lest we forget, while Russia may be all over the news for hacking the Chinese haven't stopped.

 

So, no, I don't worry about "upsetting" the Chinese.

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First of all, does anyone else think this thread title should be changed to "In The World: North Korea?" Lately, I've just been sick of headlines that refer to North Korea as simply, "Korea." It's ridiculous.

 

Why have an issue with this? It was a unified peninsula for thousands of years. Korea is one of the oldest civilizations on Earth. It's only in the last 50 years that this peninsula was split in half. Pretty much every political/military action the North or South Korea government takes has something to do with it's neighbor.

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North Korean ruler stands down on threat to Guam, but could change his mind 'if the Yankees persist'

 

North Korea’s autocratic ruler has decided not to launch missiles toward Guam, Pyongyang’s state media reported Tuesday, easing the immediate threat of an attack on the U.S. territory in the western Pacific.

 

The North Korean statement said Kim Jong Un could change his mind “if the Yankees persist in their extremely dangerous reckless actions,” in which case the country’s artillerymen would “wring the windpipes of the Yankees and point daggers at their necks.

 

http://www.latimes.com/nation/la-fg-guam-north-korea-20170814-story.html

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It seems to me that Trump's rhetoric worked on Kim. It's very rare to see Kim publicly back down from such a specific threat like that. Usually his threats are very generic so that he doesn't have to actually back them up, but this one had a date and specific target.

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When else has he ever publicly announced something like he did here? I can't recall anything like this before. He usually just does something without announcing, or, like you said, makes a generic threat.

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Good to know at least one of the rulers is sane.

 

Indeed.


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I suspect the Chinese were more persuasive with Kim than Cheeto's hollow threats.


"Nearly every problem that we have in the USA -- unaffordable health care, prison overpopulation, hyper militarization, climate change, racism, gun violence, poverty, poor education, urban sprawl and others -- cannot be positively addressed because bribery and conflicts of interest are legal under campaign finance laws which protect the uber-wealthy and the narrow self-interests who grossly benefit from our afflictions."

 

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Kim has no intention of nuking or bombing anybody.  his sole reason to show military strength has nothing to do with us or any other country.  It has to do with Kim showing strength to his own people.  It is how dictators stay in power.

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I suspect the Chinese were more persuasive with Kim than Cheeto's hollow threats.

 

China is to stop importing coal, iron, iron ore and seafood from North Korea.

 

The move is an implementation of UN sanctions, which were imposed in response to North Korea's two missile tests last month.

 

China accounts for more than 90% of North Korea's international trade.

 

Beijing had pledged to fully enforce the sanctions after the US accused it of not doing enough to rein in its neighbour.

 

Economic impact

The UN approved sanctions against Pyongyang earlier this month that could cost the country $1bn (£770m) a year in revenue, according to the figures provided to the Security Council by the US delegation.

 

Although China's coal imports from North Korea totalled $1.2bn last year, the figure will be much lower this year because China had already imposed a ban in February, experts said.

 

"China has already imported its quota of coal under sanctions for 2017. So no net impact there, and North Korean exports to other countries are minimal," said David Von Hippel, from the Nautilus Institute -a think tank based in Oregon -who has researched North Korea's coal sector.

 

More below:

http://www.bbc.com/news/business-40932427

 

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Kim has no intention of nuking or bombing anybody.  his sole reason to show military strength has nothing to do with us or any other country.  It has to do with Kim showing strength to his own people.  It is has dictators stay in power.

 

I would go one step further and say showing strength to his own family and some high ranking generals. He could care less about 99.9% of the populace there.

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He may worry about the populace as far as preventing an uprising or revolution.  But, yes keeping his family and generals in line helps prevent a coup.

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Amazing how similar Trump and Kim's 'leadership' styles are

 

Cultures don't really matter when it comes to accumulating power.  People around the world respond the same way to the same tricks. 

 

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First of all, does anyone else think this thread title should be changed to "In The World: North Korea?" Lately, I've just been sick of headlines that refer to North Korea as simply, "Korea." It's ridiculous.

 

Why have an issue with this? It was a unified peninsula for thousands of years. Korea is one of the oldest civilizations on Earth. It's only in the last 50 years that this peninsula was split in half. Pretty much every political/military action the North or South Korea government takes has something to do with it's neighbor.

 

Any time I talk to someone who lives in South Korea, they say they live in Korea. No one ever specifies "South Korea". From a Korean perspective, they view it as "one country with two governments". Remember that the two sides have only signed an armistice which put a cease-fire into effect and declared a DMZ. There was never a treaty signed and the two sides do not really accept each other as legitimate countries.

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There's no rule against posting South Korean material on this thread.  It's just that one side is engaged in nuclear saber rattling and one side is producing semiconductors and strange pop bands.  One tends to get more attention than the other.  If I need to post some K-Pop here to balance out the thread, though, I can work on that.

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Now THAT would be an event!


"You don't just walk into a bar and mix it up by calling a girl fat" - buildingcincinnati speaking about new forumers

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First of all, does anyone else think this thread title should be changed to "In The World: North Korea?" Lately, I've just been sick of headlines that refer to North Korea as simply, "Korea." It's ridiculous.

 

Why have an issue with this? It was a unified peninsula for thousands of years. Korea is one of the oldest civilizations on Earth. It's only in the last 50 years that this peninsula was split in half. Pretty much every political/military action the North or South Korea government takes has something to do with it's neighbor.

 

Any time I talk to someone who lives in South Korea, they say they live in Korea. No one ever specifies "South Korea". From a Korean perspective, they view it as "one country with two governments". Remember that the two sides have only signed an armistice which put a cease-fire into effect and declared a DMZ. There was never a treaty signed and the two sides do not really accept each other as legitimate countries.

 

Yes I double down on that, we have a distributor which is in Busan, "South" Korea, however, they only ever mention Busan, Korea on all correspondence and never mention South Korea.  All shipping companies do the same thing as well.

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Alright! I'm clearly wrong! No need to make post after post, about it.  It's still weird to me that there's no attempt to blatantly differentiate north and south. I suppose if someone says "Korea," it's implied that it's S. Korea based on these posts but how the hell was I was supposed to know?

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First of all, does anyone else think this thread title should be changed to "In The World: North Korea?" Lately, I've just been sick of headlines that refer to North Korea as simply, "Korea." It's ridiculous.

 

Why have an issue with this? It was a unified peninsula for thousands of years. Korea is one of the oldest civilizations on Earth. It's only in the last 50 years that this peninsula was split in half. Pretty much every political/military action the North or South Korea government takes has something to do with it's neighbor.

 

Before that it was ruled by China or Japan, on and off for centuries.

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Whoa.  This is apparently Kim Jung Un's sister, born 1987.  How do they continue to create such old-school imagery?  It looks like the original photo was shot on film, but then the hat was superimposed on photoshop.  Then they just filled the background with red with the paintbucket tool.  But maybe they are using MS Paint. 

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There's no rule against posting South Korean material on this thread.  It's just that one side is engaged in nuclear saber rattling and one side is producing semiconductors and strange pop bands.  One tends to get more attention than the other.  If I need to post some K-Pop here to balance out the thread, though, I can work on that.

 

LOL! 

 

The funny thing is Japanese culture gets really wierd, seemingly to differentiate themselves from us.

 

Meanwhile South Korean culture acts as American as possible, seemingly to differentiate themselves from Japan.  The problem is, singing in English is extremely difficult for Korean speakers so they almost never do, but toss in phrases here and there.

 

My daughter was hooked on the "Bubble Pop" video for awhile.

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Whoa.  This is apparently Kim Jung Un's sister, born 1987.  How do they continue to create such old-school imagery?  It looks like the original photo was shot on film, but then the hat was superimposed on photoshop.  Then they just filled the background with red with the paintbucket tool.  But maybe they are using MS Paint. 

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It looks like they also cut down her face a little with the red paintbrush.

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^Yeah, the other available photos of her are kind of wild.  She looks...like a pleasant and charming person in many of the photos.  But published stories speculate that she's as high as #2 behind Kim Jong-Un.  Who, btw, is quite obviously not an idiot as is evidenced by the numerous long-take NK videos published on youtube.  Both she and Un were educated in Switzerland.  They have the West figured out and are putting on an effective act. 

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www.facebook.com/dprk360 is the North Korea facebook site.  Everything on there is pretty interesting.  It's pretty obvious that they have at least a few western-educated people who are willing and able to product videos and other content using the west's language.  All of it is trying to make North Korea look infinitely more normal than it is. 

 

Also, here is a totally phony site...I linked directly toward an "instagram" type photo:

http://www.dprk360.com/360/JTS_Railway_Tour/

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www.facebook.com/dprk360 is the North Korea facebook site.  Everything on there is pretty interesting.  It's pretty obvious that they have at least a few western-educated people who are willing and able to product videos and other content using the west's language.  All of it is trying to make North Korea look infinitely more normal than it is. 

 

Also, here is a totally phony site...I linked directly toward an "instagram" type photo:

http://www.dprk360.com/360/JTS_Railway_Tour/

 

So does ISIS.  Gorka's book on jihad (very good and basically the opposite of Candidate Trump's foreign policy proposals) quotes a high end film school grad as saying their stuff was definitely made by someone with similar education.

 

North Korea is basically Stalinist nostalgia, the capital is a theme park, the rest of the nation a gulag.

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^Yeah, the other available photos of her are kind of wild.  She looks...like a pleasant and charming person in many of the photos.  But published stories speculate that she's as high as #2 behind Kim Jong-Un.  Who, btw, is quite obviously not an idiot as is evidenced by the numerous long-take NK videos published on youtube.  Both she and Un were educated in Switzerland.  They have the West figured out and are putting on an effective act. 

 

Not since my daughter have I seen anyone quite as lucky to apparently take after her mom, appearance wise. 

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You guys sure know how to put it eloquently that you think Kim Jong-Un's sister is hot.

 

I've seen other pictures of her on Google Images and personally, I think she's a butter-face. That picture is clearly photo-shopped like none-other.

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You guys sure know how to put it eloquently that you think Kim Jong-Un's sister is hot.

 

I've seen other pictures of her on Google Images and personally, I think she's a butter-face. That picture is clearly photo-shopped like none-other.

 

It's not so much about her looks as her dad's. 

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North Korea's Foreign Ministry said in a statement published on state media that if the US "does rig up the illegal and unlawful 'resolution'" it would respond in kind.

 

The Security Council is due to vote in New York on a US-drafted resolution to impose new restrictions on the rogue state following its sixth and largest nuclear test, carried out just over a week ago.

 

"The forthcoming measures to be taken by the DPRK will cause the US the greatest pain and suffering it had ever gone through in its entire history."

 

http://www.cnn.com/2017/09/11/asia/north-korea-un-vote/index.html

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North Korea claims that 4.7 million of its citizens have volunteered to join or re-enlist in the military since leader Kim Jong Un threatened to "tame” President Trump “with fire" last week, North Korean state media reported.

 

Pyongyang has previously claimed that North Koreans have volunteered to join the military as part of propaganda campaigns to boost solidarity, according to South Korean news agency Yonhap.

 

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/north-korea-millions-sign-up-for-military-to-fight-us/ar-AAsz2NC?ocid=spartanntp

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I'm surprised that so much N. Korea news has been skipped on here. There's certainly been a lot to talk about. Folks on UO clearly don't give a rats ss[/member] but mark my words, we're going to war with N. Korea and fairly soon. Not only has Trump advocated it in the past (and perhaps its justified - the N. Korea threat has gone on long enough) but he also needs this war in order to be guaranteed a re-election.

 

Trump called Kim Jong-in, "Little Rocket Man." If that doesn't increase tension between the two nations, I don't know what does.

 

I'm not going to lie, a part of me thinks that the U.S. needs to wipe N. Korea out. Their satellites, their nuke sites, their leader. It's sad to think about casualties but I'm just so sick of the N. Korea threat. The horrible regime needs to end. I wish there was a solution where brainwashed citizens didn't become a victim of the situation but it's just impossible for that to happen. It's a really sad situation.

 

N. Korea is claiming that a missile strike on the U.S. mainland is inevitable, after what trump said. I don't think that there is any amount of sanctions that will cause N. Korea to stop it's nuclear program and reverse its vendetta against the United states. It's all a bunch of worthless b.s. They would love nothing more than to wipe us out.

 

We're going to war with N. Korea. It's just a matter of days.

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Advocating for war against a country that has nuclear weapons and is crazy enough to use them is absurd. You understand how that ends right? You don't "wipe out" innocent people and an entire country and then all other things remain equal.

 

Do you want WWIII? Because that's how you get WWIII.

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Advocating for war against a country that has nuclear weapons and is crazy enough to use them is absurd. You understand how that ends right? You don't "wipe out" innocent people and an entire country and then all other things remain equal.

 

Do you want WWIII? Because that's how you get WWIII.

 

South Korea doesn't want the North getting attacked with nuclear weapons, for very obvious reasons.

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but he also needs this war in order to be guaranteed a re-election.

 

 

 

 

Of course.  Trump understands the American population at its most primitive, visceral level.  If he can "win" in Korea in 2020 then he can win reelection. 

 

Meanwhile, he is playing the old George Bush Katrina scheme in Puerto Rico -- blame everything on a minority population that is in debt.  Present the debt as "mismanagement" when in fact all of the financial trouble was caused by the aristocracy exploiting the island as a tax haven. 

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Nobody wins in a korean peninsula war.  S. Korea is one of the most important countries in the world supplying key components in all manners of technology.  I just don't know how it stays localized to the peninsula without blowback on China or Russia.

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Korea is an unknown. We don't know that China won't get involved. They did last time and sent a million Chinese over the Koream border. Russia gave the North Koreans their best jets and their pilots to confront the US air force and Navy as a testing ground. Neither will go that far again but what effort they do supply we don't know.

  The new issue is how many nuke capable icbms does the Un have. He might have between 0 and 8. He could use some smaller tactical nukes to wipe out a port or a city or 2 in Korea.  He could fling one at Japan or a carrier group. Who knows how many other rockets and missiles they have. There are 30,000-50,000 artillery guns aimed at S Korea.  They probably have hundreds if not thousands of multiple rocket trucks or MLRS systems. We probably would have to use a tactical nuke or 5 to prevent Seoul from getting obliterated in the first few hours of a conflict. They use an extensive underground and cave system to hide weapons and command and control systems.

  It is super ugly as we have no way to really prevent hundreds of thousands of deaths in S. Korea in the first day of conflict. Say the second day they muster a half million to invade. Do we use more tactical nukes?  It definitely ends bad for N. Korea.  Maybe assured destruction will help Un become less belligerent.

  Not much will be gained either. I doubt S Korea has nor the US has the appetite to clear out N Korea unless there is full capitulation. We can't assume there will be. So ever more starvation will happen. China will keep them on life support as they don't want S. Korea government at their border.

Governments around the world will take note in how the US handled this. The US could end up with very strained relations with Japan and S. Korea with a very battered N. Korea regime surviving. 

 

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