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This is serious folks. There maybe a first nuclear war ever.

I think we here in Cincinnati will be ok, but if major cities on the west cost are hit. It will be devastating!!!

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WASHINGTON (CNN) -- North Korea launched a long-range Taepodong-2 missile early Wednesday in an apparently unsuccessful test that failed in flight, a senior State Department official said.

 

Lets just blow them up and not have to deal with it.

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you don't really think that missle just failed on it's own do ya?

 

as 'a warning' to nk i'd bet it had a little help in failing, but we'll never hear about that either.

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Mrnyc do you think that maybe the fact that their missile was launched at the same time our space shuttle went off on national tv might have something to do with Americans not knowing that we intercepted it?

 

North Korea's technology sucks though. I wouldn't be surprised if it really did fail.

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i think it could equally be either of those situations. well if i had to choose only one i do think it is prob more likely it just failed on it's own. still, i don't think the usa intercepting it is at all far fetched, we have been looking for reasons to test out that kind of technology lately. the timing with the shuttle launch is odd, i dk what to make of that.

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RUN FOR YOUR LIVES!!!

 

*runs to Pappadeaux's*


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When I saw the heading, I thought Unusualfire was being over dramatic with the Space Shuttle.  :|

 

BTW, Isn't Columbus the 7th most desirable target for nuclear missiles in the US?

 

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^Only when you're in town. ;)

 

You might want to consider changing addresses then.  I filled out a job aplication with the city of Hamilton last week.

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Every town claims to be a big target for terrorism. It makes them feel like their town is more important.

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I heard that the area between Cincinnati and Dayton was pretty high on the list for a large nuke because of the GE plant (supplies a large amount of jet engines to the military) and Wright-Patt (research & development for the Air Force).

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I heard that the area between Cincinnati and Dayton was pretty high on the list for a large nuke because of the GE plant (supplies a large amount of jet engines to the military) and Wright-Patt (research & development for the Air Force).

 

also i 75 carrys a tone of commercial trucking traffic

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There goes my vacation plans...

Damnit! I hope not. I was looking forward to the pics of North Korea.

 

I find it really strange that all of their missiles failed within seconds yet they were able to fly a missile over Japan in '98 when they didn't tell anybody about it.

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Growing up in Dayton, we've always heard that Wright-Patt was/is always in the top 3 as an enemy target if a nuclear war would break out...since it's a research, development and intelligence base for the Air Force. We also hear that the roswell aliens are hanging out there somwhere too! :-)

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In case you're not aware, theres been somewhat of a panic over the situation with North Korea's nuclear weapons program and missile testing. All of the missiles reportedly failed while North Korea claims their launches were a success.

 

South Korea and Japan are very concerned and want them to stop since their countries are an easy target for their missiles. China has the closest relationship with North Korea and doesn't support the proposed sanctions against North Korea out of fear that it will make everyone's relationship with North Korea worse and provoke something.

 

What i'm wondering is..why is North Korea such a threat? Doesn't the United States, China, Russia, UK, and other great world powers have nuclear weapons ready to be deployed if needed? As far as I know, the worst that North Korea has done is counterfeit large amounts of the U.S. Dollar. I know they have threatened Japan with physical action if they imposed sanctions on North Korea. If Japan gets bombed, it effects our economy since we are big trade partners but it still doesn't seem like enough of a reason.

 

Are we intimidated by Kim Jong-il because he's the leader of a freedomless, communist, empoverished nation, the type of society we frown upon? It's a country of only 22 million people and a GDP of only 30 billion. Why would they be stupid enough to pull a fast one on us? Maybe i'm missing something, I don't know.

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SEOUL (Reuters) - North Korea's leader Kim Jong-il said his country would not budge in negotiations with the United States, adding the reclusive state was ready to meet any attack with a strong blow of its own, Yonhap reported on Sunday.

 

"Kim declared that even a small concession wouldn't be made to the sworn-enemy U.S. imperialistic aggressors," the North's Korean Central Broadcasting Station (KCBS) said in an editorial monitored in Seoul, the South Korean news agency said.

 

Source: http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060709/ap_on_go_pr_wh/us_nkorea_7;_ylt=AlX38Kf2c2qxfPwGq3dDO.yCscEA;_ylu=X3oDMTBiMW04NW9mBHNlYwMlJVRPUCUI

 

 

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N. Korea has a fairly powerful military.  If we went to war tomorrow, it is likely that they could destroy Seoul with their missiles and overrun S. Korea's army as well as our 30,000 odd troops that are stationed there.  Those 30,000 troops are essentially a tripwire, they'd be overrun, but we'd be drawn into a counter offensive.  It would be an extremely costly fight.

 

More likely, they could sell nuclear material and/or missile technology to terrorists or other rogue actors, which obviously would cause us some serious consternation.

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A war with N. Korea would be much more intense than Iraq due to much more advanced weapons technology, but would be over much quicker (unless China decides to back North Korea militarily(unlikely)).  Much more modern infrastructures and military exists in the country which makes war targets much easier to define and more damaging when destroyed.  Unlike our more recent missions in the Middle East, once the government in N. Korea is taken out, the war is pretty much over.

 

Also, the Japanese feel they have a lot at stake and are expanding their military as we speak.  They have expressed no hesitation to use their military against N. Korea if diplomacy fails and have even expressed an interest in leading the charge.

 

So to answer the question, “yes,” North Korea is a threat because they have ability to cause a lot of damage and casualties.  As X pointed out they have the ability to destroy a city such as Seoul. But so far it seem all the threats coming from N. Korea are nothing more than a ploy to get money.  They've had the time to launch an attack for years now and have yet to do so.  I think Kim is smart enough to know he can’t win if it comes down to a war.

 

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^I dont know how "advanced" his weapons technology is. He couldn't keep those missiles in the air longer than 40 something seconds.. Their military budget is only 4 billion while ours is 300-400 billion. Real power is economic power and they barely have any. I hear the dictatorship in Pakistan is likely to sell nuclear technology as well.

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the problem with battling north korea in a land war today is that unlike the 1950's they now supposedly have nuclear weapons. they are irrational and would use them, esp if near defeat. china's response to events would also be an unknown. looks like japan is considering direct action:

 

 

Japan Considers Strike Against N. Korea

 

Jul 10, 8:58 AM (ET)

 

By MARI YAMAGUCHI

 

TOKYO (AP) - Japan said Monday it was considering whether a pre-emptive strike on the North's missile bases would violate its constitution, signaling a hardening stance ahead of a possible U.N. Security Council vote on Tokyo's proposal for sanctions against the regime. Japan was badly rattled by North Korea's missile tests last week and several government officials openly discussed whether the country ought to take steps to better defend itself, including setting up the legal framework to allow Tokyo to launch a pre-emptive strike against Northern missile sites.

 

"If we accept that there is no other option to prevent an attack ... there is the view that attacking the launch base of the guided missiles is within the constitutional right of self-defense. We need to deepen discussion," Chief Cabinet Secretary Shinzo Abe said.

 

www.cnn.com

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North Korean hackers may have stolen US war plans

Files outline South Korea and Washington's strategy in event of war on the peninsula

 

South Korea's military is investigating a cyber attack in which North Korean hackers may have stolen secret defence plans outlining Seoul and Washington's strategy in the event of war on the Korean peninsula. The highly sensitive information, codenamed Oplan 5027, may have found its way into hostile hands last month after a South Korean officer used an unsecured USB memory stick to download it.

 

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/dec/18/north-south-korea-hackers


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US man 'arrested' in North Korea

 

North Korean authorities have said they have arrested a US man who crossed into their territory. The North's official KCNA news agency said the man had entered the country from China on 24 December. There is no official word on the man's identity. However there have been reports that Robert Park, a US Christian activist, recently crossed into North Korea.

 

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/8433267.stm


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Official: North Korea targets South Korea in propaganda drive

 

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North Korea is retaliating for a November artillery attack -- with an onslaught of faxes to South Korea, an official said Wednesday. Earlier this month, faxes started arriving at South Korean companies, South Korean Unification Ministry deputy spokeswoman Lee Jong-joo said Wednesday. The faxes blame South Korea for the November 23 artillery attack on Yeonpyeong Island.

 

"Responsibility for the attack lies with the South," states the fax, according to Lee. "Groups in the South should rise up against the South Korean government." The ministry says 15 companies, consisting of two religious groups, seven trade companies, five civic groups and one media organization, reported they had received the fax. The first report of a fax came in on December 8, according to Lee.

 

The ministry estimates that 50 to 80 companies likely received the messages, but have not reported them yet to the government. Most of the companies that received faxes had prior contact with North Korea through inter-Korean events or business operations, Lee said. All of the reported faxes were in the same format and none of them included updated information about the recent and ongoing South Korean drills, the ministry said.

 

More below:

http://edition.cnn.com/2010/WORLD/asiapcf/12/22/koreas.propaganda.war/index.html?hpt=T2

 


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North Korea 'will not hit back' over Yeonpyeong drills

 

North Korea says it will not retaliate despite "reckless provocations" from the South, which held live-fire drills on the flashpoint island of Yeonpyeong. The North shelled the island last month after similar drills and had threatened more retaliation this time. But state media quoted the army as saying it was "not worth reacting".

 

Meanwhile US politician Bill Richardson, on a visit to the North, says it has agreed to allow UN inspectors back into the country. The New Mexico governor, who is in Pyongyang in an unofficial capacity, said he had been told during meetings that members of the International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA) would be allowed renewed access to a uranium enrichment facility.

 

There has been no official comment from the North, and it is unclear which facility Mr Richardson was referring to.

 

More below:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-pacific-12039477


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The Guns of December

It's about time South Korea started shooting back.

 

It is hard to recall a better example of successful deterrence than what failed to happen on Monday, Dec. 20, on the Korean peninsula. That was the planned date of a South Korean artillery drill on Yeonpyeong Island, just seven and half miles from the North Korean mainland, but 50 miles from Inchon, the nearest South Korean port. Determined to intimidate Seoul into calling off the artillery exercise -- 94 minutes of live fire -- Pyongyang issued a veritable cascade of threats.

 

... In the event, the South Koreans fired some 1,500 howitzer shells, and North Korea fired nothing back, except for the lame complaint of their military spokesman: "The South's vile military provocations do not deserve even a passing notice."

 

http://www.foreignpolicy.com/articles/2010/12/21/the_guns_of_december

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North Korean leader Kim Jong Il dead, state TV reports

By the CNN Wire Staff

updated 10:21 PM EST, Sun December 18, 2011

 

(CNN) -- North Korean leader Kim Jong Il is dead, North Korean state TV said Monday.

Kim, 69, died Saturday, state TV said.

The son of Kim Il Song, the founder of the communist nation, Kim Jong Il had been in power since 1994 when his father died of a heart attack at age 82.

The enigmatic leader was a frequent thorn in the side of neighboring South Korea, as well as the United States. There have been reports in recent years about his health, as well as that power will be transitioned to his son, Kim Jong Un.

 

http://www.cnn.com/2011/12/18/world/asia/north-korea-leader-dead/index.html?hpt=hp_t1

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Bin Laden, Gaddafi, and now Jong. Been quite the year for the bad guys.

 

 

 

I had him in a Dead Pool.  I also had his heir apparent, not-so-li'l-kim, which would bring in huge points.

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When his father died, there were reports of North Koreans crying themselves to death. What a f*cked-up place.  :evil:

 

Sorry, but no politician regardless of country is worth dying for. Although I might cry about politicians for another reason.  :jo:


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They've all been brainwashed from birth believing that this guy is a demi-god, so in a sense I can't blame them for reacting like this. It's just sad.

 

I wonder if unification of the Koreas is even possible, - say all the leaders and top military generals died in a plane crash - with all these generations of North Koreans completely withdrawn from reality.

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http://gawker.com/5869210/giant-rabbits-and-double-rainbows-the-10-most-insane-delusions-of-kim-jong+il

 

3. State textbooks claim Jong-il does not produce urine or feces

 

4. Jong-il long claimed to be the world's greatest golfer. In 1994, Pyongyang media reported that he shot 38 under par on a regulation 18-hole golf course, including 5 holes in one.

 

10. Kijong-Dong is a city built in the 1950s by Kim's father, set on the border as an example to South Korea of their superiority. No one lives there, but every effort was made to make it function like an actual city. The buildings have no glass in the windows and no rooms: They are just concrete shells. It's also home to the world's largest flagpole.

 

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http://www.globalpost.com/dispatches/news/regions/asia-pacific/kim-jong-il-top-10-weird-facts-about-north-koreas-late-leader

 

5. High achiever

 

Official records reportedly show that Kim learned to walk at the age of three weeks, and was talking at eight weeks. While at Kim Il Sung University, he apparently wrote 1,500 books over a period of three years, along with six full operas. According to his official biography, all of his operas are “better than any in the history of music." Then there's his sporting prowess. In 1994, Pyongyang media reported that the first time Kim picked up a golf club, he shot a 38-under par round on North Korea's only golf course, including 11 holes-in-one. Reports say each of his 17 bodyguards verified the record-breaking feat. He then decided to retire from the sport forever.

 

7. Fashion icon

 

Standing at at 5-foot-3, Kim was a curious figure with his bouffant hairdo, platform shoes and collection of jumpsuits. And let's not forget those sunglasses. But nevertheless, Rodong Sinmun, a communist party newspaper, reported that Kim Jong Il's suits had become a global fashion phenomenon. His “fashion icon” status has also reportedly been transferred to son and successor, Kim Jong Un. Word is that the slick, trimmed haircut of Kim the younger, who may have had plastic surgery to look more like his father, is being mimicked by countless youths on the streets of Pyongyang.

 

 

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They've all been brainwashed from birth believing that this guy is a demi-god, so in a sense I can't blame them for reacting like this. It's just sad.

 

I wonder if unification of the Koreas is even possible, - say all the leaders and top military generals died in a plane crash - with all these generations of North Koreans completely withdrawn from reality.

 

Time cures a lot of wounds, and generations come and go.  If the Kims and their top cronies all died in a plane crash or blasted off into space to colonize Saturn (if you told that to the people of North Korea, they might even believe it ...), the current generation of North Koreans might never be able to integrate into the South, but their children might be able to and their grandchildren almost certainly would.

 

It would be a harder reunification than East and West Germany, definitely, but then again, there were people who were saying that East and West Germany had grown too far apart to ever reunite, and in hindsight, they were proven wrong.  East Germany is still poorer, but the country as a whole is not internally divided over the issue anymore, and the country as a whole is also the powerhouse of Europe.  Even just the eastern portions of reunited Germany are economically healthier than many other EU countries.

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N Korea is not going to war with us.... and if it did, we could fend it off with our left toe

 

 

 

sigh...you did not think this out. no, nk is not directly going to war with the usa, that is true, but its much worse than that -- nk most definately could use middle east unrest to attack sk. that would mean war with the usa and no we could not beat them. we could not before and we would not the next time either. in fact, its much more likely that if china wanted to help nk again and they did a bit of sneakyazz collaborating together they could pour in and overrun sk in a blink, just like they almost did during the korean war before before the truce. want worse than a proxy war or even a real war with china? you got it, because whats sad is if nk uses this mideast pretext to make a move, you can bet the usa will be left all alone. europe will turn its back, twiddle its thumbs and whistle in the wind. they benefit from usa and china beating each others brains out. anyway, enough of that worst case scenario stuff -- whatever happens or doesn't, nk is always a real scary wildcard when the usa gets involved in wars and major world crisis situations.

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N Korea is not going to war with us.... and if it did, we could fend it off with our left toe

 

 

 

sigh...you did not think this out. no, nk is not directly going to war with the usa, that is true, but its much worse than that -- nk most definately could use middle east unrest to attack sk. that would mean war with the usa and no we could not beat them. we could not before and we would not the next time either. in fact, its much more likely that if china wanted to help nk again and they did a bit of sneakyazz collaborating together they could pour in and overrun sk in a blink, just like they almost did during the korean war before before the truce. want worse than a proxy war or even a real war with china? you got it, because whats sad is if nk uses this mideast pretext to make a move, you can bet the usa will be left all alone. europe will turn its back, twiddle its thumbs and whistle in the wind. they benefit from usa and china beating each others brains out. anyway, enough of that worst case scenario stuff -- whatever happens or doesn't, nk is always a real scary wildcard when the usa gets involved in wars and major world crisis situations.

 

Sigh?  If NK attacked us, China would not come to its defense.  Just as if Syria got proactive and attacked us, Russia would not come to its defense.  Regardless, these are not the days of the Korean or Vietnam wars.  Our military has advanced to the point that we would not even need to put boots on the ground or use nukes to cripple a government like NK.  We could do it with a small fleet from our Navy parked 500 miles off-shore.  And you really have to think about what China would do if it came down to defending a non-essential ally like NK by joining the fight which would make the US consumer (and perhaps all of western society) to avoid buying anything with a "Made in China" label on it.  And then what happens when the US declares all of its debt to China forgiven in exchange for war reparations.  NK is scary to the point that it might be able to succeed in a quick strike against SK, but not much else.

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Moved from the Syria thread to keep that thread on topic.


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The most interesting theory I've encountered regarding China in a Korean conflict is that China would play the role of the Soviet Union to our Allied Forces in a rehash of the race to Berlin. China being able to blitz across largely undefended territory to capture Pyongyang, and install a puppet to maintain the status quo of having a buffer from a more advanced democracy, and not let a unified Korea harbor American forces closer if not right upon their border.

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N Korea is not going to war with us.... and if it did, we could fend it off with our left toe

 

 

 

sigh...you did not think this out. no, nk is not directly going to war with the usa, that is true, but its much worse than that -- nk most definately could use middle east unrest to attack sk. that would mean war with the usa and no we could not beat them. we could not before and we would not the next time either. in fact, its much more likely that if china wanted to help nk again and they did a bit of sneakyazz collaborating together they could pour in and overrun sk in a blink, just like they almost did during the korean war before before the truce. want worse than a proxy war or even a real war with china? you got it, because whats sad is if nk uses this mideast pretext to make a move, you can bet the usa will be left all alone. europe will turn its back, twiddle its thumbs and whistle in the wind. they benefit from usa and china beating each others brains out. anyway, enough of that worst case scenario stuff -- whatever happens or doesn't, nk is always a real scary wildcard when the usa gets involved in wars and major world crisis situations.

 

Sigh?  If NK attacked us, China would not come to its defense.  Just as if Syria got proactive and attacked us, Russia would not come to its defense.  Regardless, these are not the days of the Korean or Vietnam wars.  Our military has advanced to the point that we would not even need to put boots on the ground or use nukes to cripple a government like NK.  We could do it with a small fleet from our Navy parked 500 miles off-shore.  And you really have to think about what China would do if it came down to defending a non-essential ally like NK by joining the fight which would make the US consumer (and perhaps all of western society) to avoid buying anything with a "Made in China" label on it.  And then what happens when the US declares all of its debt to China forgiven in exchange for war reparations.  NK is scary to the point that it might be able to succeed in a quick strike against SK, but not much else.

 

syria and nk are not going to attack the usa. syrians are fighting each other. we could pick sides and join in as is being discussed. or not. nk is only going to attack sk. that is their goal. that would draw the usa and china in immediately. or they wont attack sk. those are the only likely scenarios. syria and nk have no capability to attack the usa directly, nor would they be focused on that above their other priorities. that is, syrians are highly focused on fighting each other and nk is always focused on sk.

 

 

 

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The real threat of North Korea is proliferation.  Their nuclear knowhow remains greater than that of most Islamic countries, possibly with the exception of Pakistan (which has already gotten its North Korean help).  Their country is essentially bankrupt and the profligate demands of the regime and the higher military brass require infusions of money that are less and less forthcoming from foreign aid.

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So this past week I have been on a North Korea documentary binge.

 

I have seen:

 

Seoul Train - About people escaping the DPRK

 

Crossing the Line - About US soldiers how have crossed the DMZ and defected to North Korea

 

Kimjongilia - About life in the DPRK

 

National Geographic: Inside North Korea - About a doctor who performs 1,000 eye surgeries for North Koreans in 10 days. A film crew secretly films much of life in the DPRK

 

Of these, my favorites were National Geographic's documentary (only 45 minutes and very informative) and Crossing the Line which presents North Korea in a completely different experience from the others.

 

(I also saw Burma VJ which was really good, though not about the DPRK)

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