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Big.   It might not bring in large amounts of businesses to Amherst itself, but it will bring it recognition.  Like, no one really heard about Vail or Aspen until the ski resorts were built there.  In fact the cities themselves aren't all that big, but every year lots of people travel there to ski which has brought them a lot of recognition and money to build them up.

 

I'm sure a lot of businesses will be built on-site and close to the quarry resort though, and many big businesses might consider locating to Cleveland.

 

So if they build a world class golf course (and a big domed water sports facility right by it) to the professional level the developers intended, and if it attracts big golf tours, it'll definately bring lots of attention and people to Amherst.

 

As far as NE Ohio goes, it'll probably become a tourism capital of Ohio.  Actually, it's more like North-central Ohio with the area from Cedar Point to Cleveland.  Like you guys were mentioning earlier, you'd have CP, the islands off Sandusky coast, and then this resort when they build it.

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'There's no chance of us backing out'

British firm ready to purchase quarries and start breaking ground next summer

by JASON HAWK, Amherst News-Times

 

The message was simple:

"There's no chance of us backing out," British industrialist Neil Pike told a crowd of more than 100 sweating residents who packed into the sweltering South Amherst Middle School gymnasium last Wednesday night.

 

Pike plans to spend as much as $1.5 billion to reshape the defunct Cleveland Quarries into a Caribean-style resort and spanned the 3,500 mile gap from England last week to speek on the deal.

 

His company, Trans European Securities International, will purchase 998 acres from the American Stone Company for $24 million over the next three years, and is prepared to make an initial $5 million pay-out before Aug. 31.

 

Mail your suggestions to the Amherst News-Times at P.O. Box 67, Amherst.  We'll print the best resort name suggestions in our upcomming issues.  (include your name)

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Here's a couple pics that're a bit clearer

 

Medium-rise apartments

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Hi-rise apartments

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You know which rendering I'd really love to see?  A rendering of the enclosed beach with glass dome over it.  That would be so amazing.

 

 

Also, the 2nd, 3rd, and 4th names on that list are hideous.  Quarry Shores would be cool though.  Was that one you came up with Steele, or did you just highlight it in the article?

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lol, yeah that would be horrible..

 

My vote would go for either Quarry shores,  or the idea I sent in, Quarry Lodges.  Similar to the first proposed name, but it keeps the historical quarry image.

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-Gray Canyon

In spring of 1869, R.P. Wilson of Cleveland purchased about 40 acres to begin quarry opperations.  Later it became the renowed No. 6 Quarry, or Gray Canyon, which was reputed to be the largest single sandstone quarry in the world.

 

-Clough's Quarries

Baxter Clough became the sole owner of the Gray Canyon Quarry in the 1870s and was among the first to use the docks in Vermilion to export stone.  He also conducted expritiments to improve quarrying mahinery and make extracting stone cheaper.

 

-Kendeigh's Corners

The corners are located in the vicinity of Kendeigh Cemetery at the intersection of Middle Ridge and Quarry Roads, a stone's throw away from the pits.  The Kendeighs were farmers, but were among the first settlers of the area.

 

-Buckeye Digs

The chief product of the Ohio Quarries Co., started in 1903, was called "Buckeye gray sandstone.  The Buckeye quarry was said to be among the deepest in the world.

 

Those names suckass.  No offense, but few people care about local farmers who may or may not have settled the area, especially the tourists that Cleveland hopes to attract.

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The British-based Trans European Securities International will get the stone company and its 900 acres of dormant quarry property and 185 acres of active stone quarrying land, which encompasses portions of Amherst, South Amherst and Brownhelm Township, American Stone Corp. Chairman Tom Roulston said Wednesday.

 

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Trans European is also close to an agreement to buy American Stone in its entirety, American Stone Chairman Thomas Roulston II said. The deal would give Trans European control of the 185-acre Birmingham Quarry in Erie County, which still contains more than 435 million cubic feet of sandstone.

 

The total purchase would amount to $30 million, Roulston said.

 

Developer Neil Pike could not be reached for comment about the purchase of American Stone. Earlier Wednesday, Pike said his firm was ready to move the quarry project along.

 

Ronald Twining, Lorain County director of community development, said he was breathing easier now that the purchase agreement was signed.

 

"As residents, we've all been skeptical, our outlook shortsighted," Twining said. "But Pike's vision is worldwide. He believes it will work. And so do I."

 

The $1.25 billion project encompasses parts of South Amherst village and Amherst and Brownhelm townships, which approved zoning changes to keep the project moving.

 

Pike said in May that a traffic impact assessment, followed by an environmental assessment, would begin in September. Construction of the golf course, homes and roads is scheduled to begin next summer.

 

The project's centerpiece, an all-weather beach protected by a huge dome of glass, plastic and steel over one of the five quarries, should be completed by 2008, and the entire community by 2012, Pike said.

 

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thats a big step, am i right that now they can start to build on part of it?

 

also, not to be debbie downer, but they now describe this project as a golf course with housing and a hotel. no mention of all the office stuff and towers as seen on the renderings. what happened, did they scale it down dramatically?

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First of all, the price: $1.25 billon, remains the same.  Secondly, both the articles DO mention "an all-weather beach protected by a huge dome of glass, plastic and steel over one of the five quarries".  And finally, it would be, in a sense, REDUNDANT to list EVERY aspect of this development.  Especially since they've been listed soooo many times before.

 

yea nyc, I took it as now they have rights to the land.  But I don't think construction will start until next spring/summer.

 

 

Bottom line is, the project is for REAL.

 

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-- A British development company signed an agreement Wednesday to buy five retired quarries and transform them into luxury homes, a seven-star hotel and a world-class golf course.

 

well the project is real, but the scope remains in question.

 

the above quote is pretty straightforward and sounds like some predicted packpedaling. outside of the unique quarry swimming pool to come later, it is just a common golf course housing development. it's good news, but i'd be surprised if it ever comes to more than that, with the offices and all the more interesting stuff from the renderings that is. the renderings could easily be just bluff to get the inter-community go ahead and the land secured. will it end up as just another muirfield in dublin or oak hills in lorain? we'll see.

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I guess we'll just have to wait and see.  The final development plans will come out sometime around Chistmas, then we will know EXACTLY what they plan on doing.  This has potential to transform NE Ohio and Lorain County into a tourist hub....

 

-Cedar Point

-LE Islands

-Cleveland

-Quarries Project

 

not too bad of a sales pitch if you ask me...... but we'll just have to wait and see.

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I'm very excited about all of this. I have been to Amherst only one time, and it was before I heard about all of this. I would love to go back there before winter starts and try to get some pictures of the quarries and proposed site. 2 questions to those who live nearby and have been to the site:

 

1) How do I reach the site from I-80? What exit #, what back roads do I take, etc.?

 

2) I am assuming the land is private property or is not open for anyone to walk about on, so are there any nearby vantage points to see the quarries?

 

Thanks for ongoing coverage Steele!! Keep it up!!

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heres a map.... ummm the yellow X is a great spot to take pictures.  Quarry Road litterally sits on the edge of the largest quarry.  You can't miss it.  Good luck with the pictures!!

 

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thank you for whoever can go take pictures of the area. it would be cool if we all can document the growth. the setting is going to look a heck of a lot different pretty soon.

 

steele thx for pointing out that the full plans will be out in a few months, you bet i'll look forward to that. ps you are the  king of maps i wish i knew how to do that stuff like mark on them its very helpful.

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thanks nyc :-)

 

but anyways, here's yet another article from today's Morning Journal...

 

Developer on quarry project eyes more land

 

Amherst- In addition to 900 acres of the dormant Cleveland Quarries property developers are proposing to buy for a $1.25 billion resort, the firm also is proposing to buy a working quarry to help build it.

 

Tom Robinson, chairman of the South Amherst-based American Stone Corp., confirmed yesterday that England-based Trans European has an option to buy an additional 186 acres of the Birmingham Quarry, which is in operation along Harrison Road in Florence Township.

 

 

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dang, you are fast steele.  I was going to post that Morning Journal article after work Friday but you had already beat me to it.

 

Anyway, this is definatelty the news I wanted to hear.  Personally I think Cleveland and it's west side is going to be a really hopping area a few years down the road here.  Should be interesting to see it grow.

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dang, you are fast steele.  I was going to post that Morning Journal article after work Friday but you had already beat me to it.

 

Anyway, this is definatelty the news I wanted to hear.  Personally I think Cleveland and it's west side is going to be a really hopping area a few years down the road here.  Should be interesting to see it grow.

 

jskiboarder,

 

What part of the west side do you think will be hopping?  This project is so far out from Cleveland that I don't see much effect on Cleveland except for the far west suburbs. We all know that is not where growth should be.  Frankly, this project scares me.  I am not sure what to think.  In a bubble, it seems nice.  In relation to the whole, it may be a negative.  Convince me otherwise.

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Here are a few benefits to Cleveland I thought of....

 

-it will bolster Cleveland's rep as a "tourist spot"

-it will bring THOUSANDS of jobs to the "west side", people may commute from Cleveland and the western inner-ring burbs.

-it will fill highways between Hopkins and Amherst with tourists (and their money)

-it will be a year-round draw...... what else around here draws tourists in the winter?

-large corporations may decide to locate in the Cleveland area simply because of the quality of the project, companies which might have been "uninterested" in Cleveland.  From Cleveland's perspective... 5,000 jobs would be more beneficial in Amherst, than if they went to Chicago, KC, or China instead.

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wimwar the positive thing i thought of is that the backers of this are brits so if it pans out fully as hyped and as more than just a golf course it will give the cleveland area a new presence in the minds of some people in great britain and europe. even at worst the land was very underused and as a former nearly abandoned quarry its not exactly mere sprawl. we'll just have to wait and see what they can do with the property.

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lol..very true, sooner.

 

Everything was basically already mentioned that I thought of.  If they do this right, it'll bring lots of visitors to the west Cleveland area.  It'll create a link of entertainment areas down the highways and Turnpike from sandusky to cleveland.  Take a look at steele's list on the last page to see em all, plus the new Crocker Park in westlake.   Many people already travel on the nothern ohio highways/turnpike to go from midwest cities to areas out east, and back, and this will bring them into west Cleveland and increase interest in Cleveland itself.

 

Personally I think Cleveland is already a pretty active city.   It really just needs more draw to get decent jobs to come and stay there.   This certainly will be a large addition in itself,  and in the future it'll help attract more companies and people to the area.

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I finally saw the Quarries today! And all I can say is HOLY SHIT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

I am so ecstatic after seeing it in person. First and foremost, I wasn't planning on being in Amherst, so I forgot my camera. But I stood exactly where Steele05 told me to stand, and DAMN was the view awesome. I just stood on the main road and stared at the quarry for quite some time. I can't believe how big and DEEP it is. Unfortunately, much of the land where the Cleveland Quarries project is at, is private property. I would love to return and explore the area in detail without trespassing. Quarry Road however, does have the perfect view of the Quarry from the road itself. You would need to park your car across the street and then you can stand up close and view. A couple things I noticed were tons of ABSOLUTELY NO TRESPASSING SIGNS, especially near the old abandoned factories/barns/warehouses near the quarries. Second, as I stood directly on top of the quarry, I got a little scared, as a fall would either result in death or drowning.. this is quite a ravine if you ask me (at least more than anything I've ever seen!)

 

I definately have to return to this area to see it again (and again, etc...). The way this Amherst Township looks now, especially near the quarries - I don't know how the hell they are going to be able to transform it into high rise hotels and beaches and so forth. Right now, it's country roads and extremely large farms/fields with little to no retail in the city. I was so freaked out by the quarry (the big one that is and the only one I could find) that I couldn't begin to picture all the woods/fields/farms as a future development area. Maybe the golf course, but it is going to be quite a freaking conversion of land and development. I am so excited about this project, as we will all witness a truly historical project come to fruition.

 

In continuing the assets this will provide for Cleveland and NE Ohio in general:

 

1) I guarantee that I-90/SR-2 will be widened/re-paved very soon. Currently 2 lanes each direction, horrible bumps and potholes, no median, no highrail lights, etc..

 

2) Connection of Lorain County to Cuyahoga County - development will ensue in the area between Crocker Park and the cities of Elyria and Lorain.

 

3) Hopkins will see a huge increase in # of people using the airport. Probably enough to expand even more. Or, Lorain County Airport will have to expand to a national airport.

 

4) Eventually will allow NE Ohio to include Cleveland-Akron-Canton-Lorain-Elyria-Mentor-AMHERST-SANDUSKY. In 10 years time, we may see our regional population jump with the people jamming the surrounding areas of Amherst, and with a connection of Sandusky and their 50,000+ people.

 

5) Oberlin will no longer be a college in the middle of nowhere.. it will be closer to Cleveland because Amherst will be in the spotlight and Oberlin is very close to Amherst. Oberlin is one of the best liberal arts schools in the world.

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yay!! Finally someone else is excited about this project as I am!!!!

 

I'm assuming you never actually drove through (city of) Amherst, where there are maybe one or two farms left in the entire town....

 

The area around the quarries, however, is very rural, as bizbiz said.  But its only about a three or four minute drive to K-MART, GIANT EAGLE, WAL-MART, KHOLS, HOME DEPOT, ect.....

 

Yah Amherst is small, only about 14,000 people, but the city itself is not rural.

 

 

 

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I was in Lorain today so I spent most of the day driving around exploring it in detail for the first time. I had been there many times only briefly. I also had the chance to drive thru Amherst today as well, and yes indeed, this is quite a developed city. The downtown seems very bizarre with a V-shaped setup of 2 streets going outward from a center point. I didn't see downtown other than drive past it. I did notice a hell of a lot of subdivisions, especially upscale and luxury houses. So yes, I do agree that Amherst is very developed while Amherst Township is not. I could swear there is one other Amherst, something like Amherst Village.. maybe I am mistaken. Oh, and I also was at the new Cleveland Clinic on the edges of Lorain-Amherst, it is quite big and looks like it has led to the spurring of spin-off development right next to it. I also noticed that Amherst's main retail district (entirely different than than the historical downtown area) looks to have been fully completed between 5-10 years ago, as the roads are now 5 lanes and there is fairly new shopping plaza's throughout. Do you live in Amherst Steele05? If so, I would love to ask some additional questions, as this was my very first time in the area other than brief trips to Elyria and Lorain. I am quite intrigued by the Quarries, and by some of those tall radio towers in the middle of nowhere.. they seemed pretty interesting and something that is uncommon in Cleveland (where I'm at). Thanks again for keeping this thread alive!!

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Well bizbiz, yes, I do live here, and have my entire life.  So I'm pretty sure I could be quite helpful.

 

A few things:

 

The downtown streets come to a point, called the "Five Points", the downtown is going through some major renovations right now, lots of brick roads going in from what I hear, and many new businesses are opening up too.

 

There is no "Amherst Village".  Only Amherst, Amherst Township, and South Amherst (Village).

 

The Cleveland Clinic has been there for a while... maybe 5-10 years, not really sure.  And as far as spin-off developments in that area... there are MANY.  Deerfield Estates/Shops at Deerfield is going in across the street.  I think they are building a Heinen's and a Target there, and of coarse the "McMansions" are going up behind that.  Ummm.... in the field behind the clinic, an auto mall is under contruction.... Toyota, Lexus, Cadillac, etc.

 

And the main retail district.... a.k.a. ROUTE 58... isn't exactly finished... down the street from K-MART a 400,000 sq. foot shopping center is being built (Lighthouse Village), also shopping centers are planned next to Giant Eagle, and across from the Post Office.

 

If there is anything else you'd like to know, feel free to ask.  Like I said, I've lived here my whole life.. so ask away!

 

 

But just out of curiosity what makes you so interested in this project?  You wouldn't happen to be a developer would you?

 

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Is this thing for real or just some James Bond wet dream?

 

That whole "Trans European" sounds a little shady.

 

oh, and btw, the Lake Erie Islands and Cedar Point are Northwest Ohio (I think the regional cutoff is near Huron), but people from both Toledo and Cleveland heavily support them. I think Detroit actually supplies the most tourists however.

 

If this project happens, it could benefit all of the North Coast- Detroit, Monroe, Toledo, Sandusky, Cleveland, Erie, Buffalo. All are within reasonable drives.

 

I have a feeling it will get cut back severely before it moves forward. Many things like this don't end up quite like expected. I hope something fills the quarries. Quarries are good places to build around.

 

Those renderings are sic!!

 

 

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biz i can chime in and help you with the lorain questions.

 

fyi downtown amherst was something else. in the days just before "the flats" in the early 80's and way before "the warehouse district" in cleveland it was one of quite a few scattered hopping nightlife areas (downtown elyria and north ridgeville were the two other nightlife nodes nearby). the pubs & streets of downtown amherst used to be packed at night with carousers all over the place most of the week if you can believe it.

 

those quarries are also something else indeed. they are the largest sandstone quarries in the world. it will be great in and of itself to put them back into use for recreation. and also i'm sure they will use some of the sandstone in the new buildings, however grand or humble this project ends up being.

 

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Couple of questions:

 

1) Are the quarries man-made?

 

2) If yes, how did they build them and when were they built?

 

3) How will the quarries be drained, considering they look VERY DEEP?

 

4) What exactly will a deep quarry be used for? I would be afraid to swim in it, it looks very deep and scary.. they obviously want to turn it into a beach... BUT HOW???

 

5) I am going to be in Elyria and Amherst on 9/16 (TOMORROW!!) and want to know if I can access the other quarries without trespassing. If so, how do I get to them... I know where Quarry Road is and I have seen the BIG quarry from the spectator site.. ya know where there is a gravel pull-off area across the street.

 

thx!

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1) YES!

 

2) not sure

 

3) GOOD QUESTION!! but I dont think they, are THAT DEEP.  Maybe 10 feet or so.... deep enought to dive into!!

 

4) The quarry you saw... is not the one being used for the beach (I think thats #10).  That quarry isn't nearly as deep.  And all I really know is they want to build a steel/glass canopy over THE ENTIRE THING, DRAIN IT (however that may be), and basically make the thing into a giant WAVE POOL (with palm trees, beaches, etc.)

 

5) Well there is actaully a quarry on each side of the road there #3, and #4 on my map.  And if your willing to be brave.... quarries #5, #6, and #7 are accessible.  #7 is behind the old warehouse looking thing.  #5, and #6, are down a path, which starts on quarry road (directly across from the warehouse building).  Everything else seems too far into the woods to attempt.

 

Heres the map.... a very recent map... Id assume all trails/paths still exist. GOOD LUCK, can't wait to see your pictures!!!

 

and remember, this is an ABANDONDED QUARRY, basically no one will be around.  So I wouldn't worry all that much about the "NO TRESPASSING" signs.  If you are actually thinking about going down some of these trails, it might be a good idea to park your car somewhere besides Quarry Road.... like in  the Downtown South Amherst area or on Hornyak Street... and just walk it.

 

quarry5zc.jpg

 

GOOD LUCK!!

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