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6 minutes ago, Toddguy said:

Are they actually taking any official greenspace(as in part of any park)away? I thought it was railroad land and the entire part of it is just now scrubland with some trees and is completely undeveloped?  Even the road additions don't seem like they are taking anything away?

 

Also if this whole thing gets developed(all four parts)I find it hard to believe that the one story warehouse and that whole property will remain as is-with all of that they would almost have to redevelop it more densely it seems.

 

I wonder if they would possibly eventually make an eastward extension street to overpass the tracks and tie into maybe Liberty street or Short street somehow? At the very least a pedestrian/bikeway?

 

No public greenspace is being lost. You are correct that the proposal affects privately owned scrubland only which is why I don't really get any uproar that's been observed. (I avoid CU comments anymore so I dont know what's being said, Especially on facebook).

 

I think an connection to the east is definitely within reason here. Even a small one like the Arena District has off Marconi would go a long way. Elevated access over the tracks may even be feasible as well depending on how both sides of the tracks are developed similar to the Arena Crossing. 

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1 minute ago, DTCL11 said:

 

No public greenspace is being lost. You are correct that the proposal affects privately owned scrubland only which is why I don't really get any uproar that's been observed. (I avoid CU comments anymore so I dont know what's being said, Especially on facebook).

 

I think an connection to the east is definitely within reason here. Even a small one like the Arena District has off Marconi would go a long way. Elevated access over the tracks may even be feasible as well depending on how both sides of the tracks are developed similar to the Arena Crossing. 

People will comment with an amazingly low amount of actual information about the project(as in actually reading about it, asking questions, etc. )  ThEy ArE tAkInG oUr PaRkLaND aWaY!!!!

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The Columbus Dispatch has some very interesting renderings of this project. These make me want them to build this whole thing NOW!-no waiting 15 years. And they show how pitiful the one floor warehouse will look if this is built as well.

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9 minutes ago, Toddguy said:

The Columbus Dispatch has some very interesting renderings of this project. These make me want them to build this whole thing NOW!-no waiting 15 years. And they show how pitiful the one floor warehouse will look if this is built as well.

 

https://www.thisweeknews.com/business/20191203/major-development-proposed-for-whittier-peninsula

 

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It's almost reminiscent of NBBJs vision for Goodale at the convention center, and their aesthetic in general. I like the attention of keeping/replacing a semi wooded buffer zone. I really love the amount of green roofs, ESPECIALLY what appears to be a green top of the massive parking structure. I would not mind seeing a bit more contouring of the first couple floors along the park side. 

 

It would be nice if the parking for this project could potentially decrease the need for surface lots on parkland increasing greenspace on the public land. 

 

As for a faster timeline, that's where there might be a benefit in the city having a direct loan program. It's hard for me to get on board with direct funding and even financing of some of these projects but that is one way to speed things up if the city wants to try to see some of these big projects come to fruition more quickly. 

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3 hours ago, Toddguy said:

They need to speed up the timeline on this. 15 years? I want to see this done before I am dead! 

They said the next phases will be driven by the market, so hopefully the market demands it quickly.  Based on an article in bizjournals today, it looks like the market is definitely demanding more and this level of development is the new norm.

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I also really like the green roofspace on top of the garage. Not to jinx anything, but even if the tall tower did not get built, this would still be extremely impressive if it all got built at the 13 floor level. I would never have guessed we would have a proposal for anything close to 30 floors outside of the CBD boundaries or possibly the Short North(excluding the OSU campus.)

In fact I think someone mentioned they would like a 30 floor proposal outside the CBD in the thread discussing the area around Riverside Hospital-can't remember which thread.

 

This would look so great from 71 coming up from Cincinnati.  It also looks very un-Columbus like...which is lowkey kind of a good thing

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5 hours ago, cbussoccer said:

I know this design and plan is subject to change, but if the final product looks anything like this, the project will be incredible. I also, find it hard to believe that the warehouse stays a warehouse with this type of project going up next door. 

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On 12/2/2019 at 4:18 PM, TH3BUDDHA said:

 

Is this it, guys?  Are the boom times finally here?  2020 and beyond is shaping up to be a lot of fun for us development enthusiasts.

 

Do we have a summary somewhere of everything going up in 2020+ ?

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39 minutes ago, Zyrokai said:

This all seems like a really bizarre proposal, imo.

 I agree! It really does seem strange ... but given the fact it's out of town developer I'm reasonably optimistic. The road connections might be the biggest physical obstacle to this project. (assuming it's also not in the flood plain!). That being said, it's much more sound than the failed large scale deveopment in the arena district next to the white castle HQ,.

 

IMO the mound street connection over the train tracks will be problematic. Obviously an at grade crossing would be the cheapest, but those are very active railroad lines (4 lines!). Ideally you would need a mound street overpass, but there isn't much room to create one. There use to be a bridge over those tracks, but was removed back when Miranova  was built in the late 90's. To add it back the parking garage for Miranova  will need to be modified to accommodate the new bridge. While this certainly isn't a deal breaker, it will be costly but given the size of this development I think the city would be on-board. The city did reconfigure 315 for for OhioHealths' new HQ, and this is a much larger proposal!

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7 minutes ago, futureman said:

 I agree! It really does seem strange ... but given the fact it's out of town developer I'm reasonably optimistic. The road connections might be the biggest physical obstacle to this project. (assuming it's also not in the flood plain!). That being said, it's much more sound than the failed large scale deveopment in the arena district next to the white castle HQ,.

 

IMO the mound street connection over the train tracks will be problematic. Obviously an at grade crossing would be the cheapest, but those are very active railroad lines (4 lines!). Ideally you would need a mound street overpass, but there isn't much room to create one. There use to be a bridge over those tracks, but was removed back when Miranova  was built in the late 90's. To add it back the parking garage for Miranova  will need to be modified to accommodate the new bridge. While this certainly isn't a deal breaker, it will be costly but given the size of this development I think the city would be on-board. The city did reconfigure 315 for for OhioHealths' new HQ, and this is a much larger proposal!

I think you are right in that this could be a problem-they are going under the freeway. Could they go under the tracks?  Would that be not possible given the proximity to the river and the garage entrance?  They could easily deal with the flood plain issue if there is one I think.

 

 

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^It looks like they are proposing an at-grade railroad crossing. I don't think there's enough room to go under the tracks. The road surface would need to be at least 20' below the tracks meaning the ramp down would need to be at least 500' long. That's also a tight turn to head east on Mound.

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55 minutes ago, Zyrokai said:

 

Do we have a summary somewhere of everything going up in 2020+ ?

I think we have at least five proposals that are not officially dead that are between 20 and 30 floors

 

-New OSU hospital Tower

-Market Tower

-Millennial Tower

-The new Hilton at the Convention Center

-This new one

 

And at least a dozen more that are 10-20 floors. Hopefully more to come!

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4 minutes ago, Pablo said:

^It looks like they are proposing an at-grade railroad crossing. I don't think there's enough room to go under the tracks. The road surface would need to be at least 20' below the tracks meaning the ramp down would need to be at least 500' long. That's also a tight turn to head east on Mound.

Yeah I really don't see how it could be anything but at grade. I wish they would have a connecting overpass road from this to the Brewery District.  They could have something go north/south to get the distance needed for the height and then have it go east/west to cross. That would really help with park access as well as access to the Kroger, etc.-a more direct route.

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40 minutes ago, Zyrokai said:

 

Do we have a summary somewhere of everything going up in 2020+ ?

Quick breakdown of projects that could/should be under construction in 2020. These are not all proposed or currently running projects projects by far but instead ones that are "high impact" projects, projects that will be highly visible and will change the view or feel of the respective areas.

 

Arena District

Chipotle HQ - 4 stories

Parks Edge III - 10 stories

North Market Tower - 26 stories

Hilton Tower - 28 stories

Park Street AC Hotel - 7 stories

Crew Stadium

Confluence Village 

 

Downtown

Library Park/Grant Oak  Apartments - 5 stories + Renovation

Motorists/Encova Apartments - 5 stories

Grant + Mound Apartments - 8 stories

High + Cherry - 7 stories

3rd + Long - 5 Stories

230 E Long - 7 stories

 

Franklinton

Gravity II Residential - 12 stories

Gravity II Office - 6 stories

River + Rich II - 12 stories 

Cover My Meds - 7 stories

Scioto Peninsula Residential - 11 stories

Scioto Peninsula Hotel - 8 stories

Scioto Peninsula Office - 8 stories

 

Short North/VV/IV

Jeffrey Park Tower - 11 stories

Westminster Thurber Tower - 11 stories

Parkside on Pearl - 7 stories 

 

University District 

Medical Center Tower - 20+ stories

15th + High Hotel - 10 stories 

15th + High Mixed-use - 6 stories

WOSU - 6 stories 

King + High Apartments - 7 stories 

 

Again, these are just what I am looking at as "high impact" projects in addition to the Brewery District project above. Based on this list, I think we could possibly see 17-20 tower cranes up in 2020 alone throughout the urban core. 

 

 

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20 minutes ago, DevolsDance said:

Quick breakdown of projects that could/should be under construction in 2020. These are not all proposed or currently running projects projects by far but instead ones that are "high impact" projects, projects that will be highly visible and will change the view or feel of the respective areas.

 

Arena District

Chipotle HQ - 4 stories

Parks Edge III - 10 stories

North Market Tower - 26 stories

Hilton Tower - 28 stories

Park Street AC Hotel - 7 stories

Crew Stadium

Confluence Village 

 

Downtown

Library Park/Grant Oak  Apartments - 5 stories + Renovation

Motorists/Encova Apartments - 5 stories

Grant + Mound Apartments - 8 stories

High + Cherry - 7 stories

3rd + Long - 5 Stories

230 E Long - 7 stories

 

Franklinton

Gravity II Residential - 12 stories

Gravity II Office - 6 stories

River + Rich II - 12 stories 

Cover My Meds - 7 stories

Scioto Peninsula Residential - 11 stories

Scioto Peninsula Hotel - 8 stories

Scioto Peninsula Office - 8 stories

 

Short North/VV/IV

Jeffrey Park Tower - 11 stories

Westminster Thurber Tower - 11 stories

Parkside on Pearl - 7 stories 

 

University District 

Medical Center Tower - 20+ stories

15th + High Hotel - 10 stories 

15th + High Mixed-use - 6 stories

WOSU - 6 stories 

King + High Apartments - 7 stories 

 

Again, these are just what I am looking at as "high impact" projects in addition to the Brewery District project above. Based on this list, I think we could possibly see 17-20 tower cranes up in 2020 alone throughout the urban core. 

 

 

 

When you lay it out like that, Downtown looks really pathetic in terms of the scale of its projects.  I really think it is the most blatantly disrespected part of the city in terms of quality development.  The Arena District is part of Downtown, but in terms of the heart of the area, there is a consistent struggle to get much with any real height.

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3 minutes ago, jonoh81 said:

 

When you lay it out like that, Downtown looks really pathetic in terms of the scale of its projects.  I really think it is the most blatantly disrespected part of the city in terms of quality development.  The Arena District is part of Downtown, but in terms of the heart of the area, there is a consistent struggle to get much with any real height.

 

Arguably downtown has the most open urban land to develop.

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On ‎10‎/‎30‎/‎2019 at 3:10 PM, aderwent said:

Let's hope one day High Street is lined with 15-22 story buildings to spite German Villagers.

 

Not looking to start a fight or anything like that, but GV is arguably the 3rd-most dense area of the city, behind only campus and the Short North.  It's ~4x as dense as the Brewery District.  I would like to not see the stupid Commission fight dumb battles like a 5-6 story hotel on a mostly empty lot at the very edge of the district, of course.  But if we complain about density in other areas (or lack thereof) - and rightfully so - then I don't quite get the constant shade thrown to GV for not supporting 10+ story buildings in the area.  Maybe I'm just in the minority on that, though.

 

Anyway, I think that warehouse everyone keeps talking about is now a CrossFit gym.  So it is getting some use currently, I believe.

 

Thankfully there's an outside developer on this.  I'm, perhaps unrealistically, not expecting a massive reduction in size on the project...yet.


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Just now, wpcc88 said:

 

Arguably downtown has the most open land to develop.

 

Yes, it does, but that shouldn't prevent higher densities.  Many cities across the country have plenty of parking lots in their downtown areas and far slower growth rates and are still getting projects above 10 stories there.  

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1 minute ago, jonoh81 said:

 

When you lay it out like that, Downtown looks really pathetic in terms of the scale of its projects.  I really think it is the most blatantly disrespected part of the city in terms of quality development.  The Arena District is part of Downtown, but in terms of the heart of the area, there is a consistent struggle to get much with any real height.

 

Yep, it's pretty abysmal what Downtown proper is getting related to its surroundings. I am hoping that things will trend up for downtown soon with impending projects like the Dispatch Block development and so many surface lots slowly disappearing, but as of now it's just really unfortunate how much it has been ignored by developers as a place to go big. 

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1 minute ago, jonoh81 said:

 

Yes, it does, but that shouldn't prevent higher densities.  Many cities across the country have plenty of parking lots in their downtown areas and far slower growth rates and are still getting projects above 10 stories there.  

 

I don't 100% disagree, but there is still plenty of space for those opportunities.  When I moved to Columbus in 2006 downtown in a way looked bombed out with all the flat parking lots.  There have been 40 of those lots since then from campus to Nationwide that have been infilled along High.  There have been 10 of those infilled along High in downtown proper.  I would argue that we've added several big developments from a sqft standpoint despite there being a lack of overall height. 

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4 minutes ago, DarkandStormy said:

 

Not looking to start a fight or anything like that, but GV is arguably the 3rd-most dense area of the city, behind only campus and the Short North.  It's ~4x as dense as the Brewery District.  I would like to not see the stupid Commission fight dumb battles like a 5-6 story hotel on a mostly empty lot at the very edge of the district, of course.  But if we complain about density in other areas (or lack thereof) - and rightfully so - then I don't quite get the constant shade thrown to GV for not supporting 10+ story buildings in the area.  Maybe I'm just in the minority on that, though.

 

Anyway, I think that warehouse everyone keeps talking about is now a CrossFit gym.  So it is getting some use currently, I believe.

 

Thankfully there's an outside developer on this.  I'm, perhaps unrealistically, not expecting a massive reduction in size on the project...yet.

 

The High Street corridor is not part of GV, so I think the joke is to line it with mid-high rises just to spite the NIMBYs.  And Hight Street through GV and Merion Village is just awful from a development standpoint- extremely suburban looking.  You're right, though, that GV, given its building patterns, is moderately dense overall with a bit less than 7,000 ppsm on average.  

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5 minutes ago, wpcc88 said:

 

I don't 100% disagree, but there is still plenty of space for those opportunities.  When I moved to Columbus in 2006 downtown in a way looked bombed out with all the flat parking lots.  There have been 40 of those lots since then from campus to Nationwide that have been infilled along High.  There have been 10 of those infilled along High in downtown proper.  I would argue that we've added several big developments from a sqft standpoint despite there being a lack of overall height. 

 

I don't know, I've always been more of a "why wait to do later what you can do now" kind of person, and I apply that to development.  Building smaller projects now will limit the overall density of Downtown later, and subsequently its ability to support more retail and more street-level activity.  And I would argue, aside from 250 High, not one High Street project Downtown has even come close to what it should've been in terms of scale.  250 High was the only project that even met the development standards by the city.  The height recommendations were for 10-story minimums, so 250 only just met them.

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Whatever happened to the 15 story proposal next to the Holiday Inn and the 14-16 story building at State and 4th? And then there is the Millennial Tower...seems like some of the tallest proposals for downtown are stagnant or dead.

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4 minutes ago, Toddguy said:

Whatever happened to the 15 story proposal next to the Holiday Inn and the 14-16 story building at State and 4th? And then there is the Millennial Tower...seems like some of the tallest proposals for downtown are stagnant or dead.

 

Millennial Tower is... it's basically dead. With weekly articles about how tight and valuable the office market is downtown and how companies are moving because they cannot find space downtown, I refuse to believe Elford and Arshot are even attempting to make this thing happen at this point. I'm not sure what is with the smoke and mirrors but I have given up on it. 

 

The 15 story Holiday Inn mixed-use tower is also dead according to some friends who were working on it. 

 

The State + 4th project is also on indefinite pause, I have been told the perspective tenant pulled out of the project and settled on a different location downtown that was a quicker move-in and more financially sound than a new build, effectively killing the project. 

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8 minutes ago, DevolsDance said:

 

Millennial Tower is... it's basically dead. With weekly articles about how tight and valuable the office market is downtown and how companies are moving because they cannot find space downtown, I refuse to believe Elford and Arshot are even attempting to make this thing happen at this point. I'm not sure what is with the smoke and mirrors but I have given up on it. 

 

The 15 story Holiday Inn mixed-use tower is also dead according to some friends who were working on it. 

 

The State + 4th project is also on indefinite pause, I have been told the perspective tenant pulled out of the project and settled on a different location downtown that was a quicker move-in and more financially sound than a new build, effectively killing the project. 

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Land has to be expensive enough to make the numbers not work for 3-5 story developments. That's not true and won't be for a while until more 3-5 story projects are completed. Until the numbers don't work they will be supplied.

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3 hours ago, GCrites80s said:

Land has to be expensive enough to make the numbers not work for 3-5 story developments. That's not true and won't be for a while until more 3-5 story projects are completed. Until the numbers don't work they will be supplied.

 

Is land in Franklinton more expensive than land Downtown?  

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1 hour ago, jonoh81 said:

 

Is land in Franklinton more expensive than land Downtown?  

 

Not likely, but the value of parking is significantly greater. The other part of the equation is simply land transactions.  Franklinton got bought up and is being built up because 1. Space is limited and 2. There is no inherent revenue to the empty land in the same way it is downtown. 

 

The perpetual struggle will be getting owners to sell the lots. Empty lots, long paid for, are a big money for both mom and pop owners and big parking companies. They don't have to do anything to make money. The price has to be high, not simply for the inherent value of the land but the lost passive revenue. That does not ring true in Franklinton where the price reflects land value and not lost revenue. If the price for a surface parking lot isn't right, it doesn't hurt the owner because they will still make tons of money and can afford to wait for the right price. 

 

I've always advocated for some sort of incentive by the city to make surface lots less attractive and profitable but I'm not sure what that solution would look like. 

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5 minutes ago, DTCL11 said:

 

 

 

I've always advocated for some sort of incentive by the city to make surface lots less attractive and profitable but I'm not sure what that solution would look like. 

 

Switching to a straight land tax rather than the land+improvements tax we have now would change that and lead to taller developments.

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Whittier Peninsula development could open a new front for downtown expansion

 

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Downtown Columbus is expanding to the north and west. A new mega-project proposed for Whittier Peninsula could open up a new southern front.

 

More below:

https://www.bizjournals.com/columbus/news/2019/12/04/whittier-peninsula-development-would-open-a-new.html

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CBF weighs in on the project with a few new renderings. https://www.bizjournals.com/columbus/news/2019/12/04/whittier-peninsula-development-would-open-a-new.html?iana=hpmvp_colum_news_headline

 

  • The rezoning application for the land postulates at least ten buildings including seven towers, most of which contain ground-floor retail, three or more floors of office space and more residential space over top. In all, the rezoning application pitches nearly 1.75 million square feet of space served by 1,489 spaces of structured parking.
  • It's divided into 1,045,160 square feet of residential space; 584,910 square feet of office space; 115,680 square feet of retail and amenity space; and 519,460 square feet of parking space. These are evenly spaced out between the four phases.
  • Zimmer plans to start with two towers in the seven to 12-story range, which would include 350 to 400 residential units, about 100,000 square feet of office space and 50,000 square feet of retail space.

IF they can manage to land an anchor office tenant for the 30-story tower, this project is going to massive. The article says Zimmer is confident they can land a large tenant based on the way leasing has been going with top tier spaces in the AD and Short North, and the fact that they will have a unique location and the ability to offer high quality amenities. We shall see....

 

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^^ These new renderings are like porn on this site!  It has a sort of European look to it. Like something you might see in Rotterdam maybe(minus the parking of course.)

 

*If this gets built I hope it is just tall enough to in December cast a late afternoon shadow that would reach across Pearl alley and into German Village.  🙂

You know they are gonna be able to see it from there...

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OK the latest Dispatch article says that they are planning a bike and pedestrian path along the west side of the tracks to connect to Mound street. Is it going to be a path or a street for vehicles? If not this will not work with the transportation access they have now. This must be more interconnected(and yes I mean for vehicular traffic.)

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Thank God we're finally getting outside developers. This has to be one of the last places I would have expected any proposal, and yet here we are with a development that beats the pants off NRI, Schottenstein, Edwards, and Waggenbrenner, oops I mean Thrive. And those people have prime land they've owned for years and years that they're underdelivering on.

 

First, the nice Long Street development from the Denver company. Now this. Even the identical King/High developments have good form. Let's hope we get more eyes here, because our hometown boys aren't cutting it. Their underdelivering, I'm convinced, is part of the reason we couldn't land Apple, Google, or Amazon when we were so close. Let's hope we can sneak a handful of wins in here at the tail end of this boom!

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There is one line from CBF that gives me pause:

 

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But substantial engineering and other development hurdles lie ahead – the land has for decades been owned by CSX Transportation Inc. and is sandwiched between the Scioto Audubon Metro Park and rail lines that run nearby.

 

It seems to imply that the fact that CSX owns the land as still being a big hurdle itself. It makes no mention of actually being in an agreement with CSX, but surely if they are looking for zoning changes and engineering plans, it is because they already have an agreement and not just an attempt to persuade CSX....

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7 hours ago, jonoh81 said:

I don't know, I've always been more of a "why wait to do later what you can do now" kind of person, and I apply that to development.

I mean, that's easy to say when it isn't your money being invested into the project.  If a developer can buy(or already owns) some cheap land, can put a smaller, cheaper building up in a MUCH quicker timeframe, and still make a ton of money, why wouldn't they do it?  The outsiders are coming in with some height because they don't have as much land owned in the market.  They want to maximize their numbers with what they have.  At least that's my opinion.

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10 minutes ago, TH3BUDDHA said:

I mean, that's easy to say when it isn't your money being invested into the project.  If a developer can buy(or already owns) some cheap land, can put a smaller, cheaper building up in a MUCH quicker timeframe, and still make a ton of money, why wouldn't they do it?  The outsiders are coming in with some height because they don't have as much land owned in the market.  They want to maximize their numbers with what they have.  At least that's my opinion.

 

I don't think it's fair to suggest we shouldn't strive for the best possible development unless we're millionaires putting up the money for it.  That's why cities have zoning codes to begin with- to guide development in a certain direction.  If the only consideration is how much money a developer can make rather than what is most beneficial to the city, neighborhood or community as a whole, then why have any standards at all?  Let them do whatever they want anywhere they want and be done with it.  Just because something can be done faster and cheaper doesn't have any relation to the best outcome- unless the only thing we're supposed to worry about is developer profits.  

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20 hours ago, DevolsDance said:

Quick breakdown of projects that could/should be under construction in 2020. These are not all proposed or currently running projects projects by far but instead ones that are "high impact" projects, projects that will be highly visible and will change the view or feel of the respective areas.

 

Arena District

Chipotle HQ - 4 stories

Parks Edge III - 10 stories

North Market Tower - 26 stories

Hilton Tower - 28 stories

Park Street AC Hotel - 7 stories

Crew Stadium

Confluence Village 

 

Downtown

Library Park/Grant Oak  Apartments - 5 stories + Renovation

Motorists/Encova Apartments - 5 stories

Grant + Mound Apartments - 8 stories

High + Cherry - 7 stories

3rd + Long - 5 Stories

230 E Long - 7 stories

 

Franklinton

Gravity II Residential - 12 stories

Gravity II Office - 6 stories

River + Rich II - 12 stories 

Cover My Meds - 7 stories

Scioto Peninsula Residential - 11 stories

Scioto Peninsula Hotel - 8 stories

Scioto Peninsula Office - 8 stories

 

Short North/VV/IV

Jeffrey Park Tower - 11 stories

Westminster Thurber Tower - 11 stories

Parkside on Pearl - 7 stories 

 

University District 

Medical Center Tower - 20+ stories

15th + High Hotel - 10 stories 

15th + High Mixed-use - 6 stories

WOSU - 6 stories 

King + High Apartments - 7 stories 

 

Again, these are just what I am looking at as "high impact" projects in addition to the Brewery District project above. Based on this list, I think we could possibly see 17-20 tower cranes up in 2020 alone throughout the urban core. 

 

 

 

Thank you for this awesome breakdown!

 

After reading the last page or so, the lack of downtown projects is honestly pretty baffling and depressing.

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1 hour ago, Zyrokai said:

After reading the last page or so, the lack of downtown projects is honestly pretty baffling and depressing.

 

Lack of downtown projects? There doesn't seem to be a lack of projects to me. There's probably about 1,000 residential units under construction or soon to be under construction in the downtown area, almost all of which will include ground floor retail. Additionally, all of the Arena District projects are actually downtown. If you separate the AD projects, the downtown development seems tame, but the AD is still part of downtown. Two 300-400 foot towers and a soccer stadium, all under construction at the same (at least they should be next year), is nothing to be depressed about. 

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13 hours ago, DTCL11 said:

There is one line from CBF that gives me pause:

 

 

It seems to imply that the fact that CSX owns the land as still being a big hurdle itself. It makes no mention of actually being in an agreement with CSX, but surely if they are looking for zoning changes and engineering plans, it is because they already have an agreement and not just an attempt to persuade CSX....

 

The Dispatch article yesterday says CSX has been trying to sell the land but has had difficulty due to the challenges at the site:

 

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The land is owned by rail company CSX Transportation, which has been trying to sell it.

 

But despite its attractions — proximity to Downtown, adjacency to a park, river frontage — the site has challenges that have kept developers away.

 

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I am not worried about any environmental concerns as we have seen at other sites this has been mitigated. What is concerning is access to the site-the road network. That seems to also be the concern expressed by the city-which seems to see this new proposal in a positive light. I hate to say it, but I would be ok with the city pitching in money to help-because improved access would help the park as well-it would be worth it IMO.

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3 hours ago, cbussoccer said:

 

Lack of downtown projects? There doesn't seem to be a lack of projects to me. There's probably about 1,000 residential units under construction or soon to be under construction in the downtown area, almost all of which will include ground floor retail. Additionally, all of the Arena District projects are actually downtown. If you separate the AD projects, the downtown development seems tame, but the AD is still part of downtown. Two 300-400 foot towers and a soccer stadium, all under construction at the same (at least they should be next year), is nothing to be depressed about. 

We also get to look forward to the Capitol Square announcement early next year.  Hopefully we get some exciting news there as well.

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3 hours ago, cbussoccer said:

 

Lack of downtown projects? There doesn't seem to be a lack of projects to me. There's probably about 1,000 residential units under construction or soon to be under construction in the downtown area, almost all of which will include ground floor retail. Additionally, all of the Arena District projects are actually downtown. If you separate the AD projects, the downtown development seems tame, but the AD is still part of downtown. Two 300-400 foot towers and a soccer stadium, all under construction at the same (at least they should be next year), is nothing to be depressed about. 

Thinking more about it, isn't downtown actually bounded by the highways?  So, doesn't it expand west to 315 including East Franklinton and the Scioto Peninsula?  So, in that list, most of the things in the Franklinton section could be considered downtown and Franklinton(West of 315) should really just be CoverMyMeds(and future things coming to Graham Ford and Mount Carmel redevelopment).  Maybe I'm wrong.

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41 minutes ago, TH3BUDDHA said:

Thinking more about it, isn't downtown actually bounded by the highways?  So, doesn't it expand west to 315 including East Franklinton and the Scioto Peninsula?  

 

Not quite. Franklinton takes out a chunk up to the railroad tracks.

 

This is the adopted city code for downtown. Some of the peninsula is included as of 2013. I'm not sure if it was prior or not. 

 

Edit. Also note that even though this is the boundary, the Franklinton review board has jurisdiction over the peninsula to the river according to the neighborhood commissions map. 

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8 hours ago, cbussoccer said:

 

Lack of downtown projects? There doesn't seem to be a lack of projects to me. There's probably about 1,000 residential units under construction or soon to be under construction in the downtown area, almost all of which will include ground floor retail. Additionally, all of the Arena District projects are actually downtown. If you separate the AD projects, the downtown development seems tame, but the AD is still part of downtown. Two 300-400 foot towers and a soccer stadium, all under construction at the same (at least they should be next year), is nothing to be depressed about. 

 

 

Yeah.... you're right :P. But it does feel a bit disproportionate. I still consider Arena to be like..... pseudo-downtown even if it is technically. I feel like there is just *so* much potential east of High, not even including Capitol Square. Spring Street especially. So many parking lots. But still, we could do more. I want MORE MORE MORE.

 

More.

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