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Has anyone done any recent projections in regards to the anticipated increase in the downtown population in the coming years with all of these res projects coming online?

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We were discussing that a little bit in this thread. http://www.urbanohio.com/forum2/index.php/topic,333.msg684017.html#msg684017

 

We can expect another 2000 or so people with current projects in Downtown alone. Add this to the 500 or so living in the Banks Phase I and we'll be seeing a massive increase in Downtown's population this next census.

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So with mass transit being taken off the books for a generation, we're going to have a crowded core with no way to move people to, from, or through it. I really can't get excited about projects like this anymore. I used to think that all of these projects were tipping Cincinnati over the edge, but it's increasingly obvious that we're just going to continue to shuffle along making incremental progress here and there like we've been doing for 50+ years. There is no 'boom' to this boom. Just look at the massive subsidies this project alone is requiring. We are still a world away from having a market that actually supports widespread development. Our best shot at achieving that was through transit, and that is looking like less and less of a real possibility by the day.

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Don't despair. Yes, Cranley will probably try to cancel the current streetcar project, but that does not mean it is over. There are options:

 

1) Lawsuits will hopefully tie up the funds dedicated to the current project long enough to implement steps 2, 3, and/or 4.

2) Recall the mayor based on damage done to the city via breach of contract on the streetcar project and parking lease.

3) Amend the charter to restore the current project.

4) If 3 fails, amend the charter to build lightrail instead (the current tracks are built to lightrail specs).  Funding would need to be found for that obviously, but but perhaps light rail will be more palatable to the outer neighborhoods.  Our work to date would count as a federal match, as would the subway tunnels if we utilize them.

 

 

 

I don't like any of these options, but "cancellation" is not the end.

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Here's a new look at what the apartment tower at 7th and Broadway will look like

Chris Wetterich Staff reporter- Cincinnati Business Courier

 

The Cincinnati Planning Commission will consider and probably approve plans for the apartment tower being developed by North American Properties and the NorthPointe Group to go above a city-owned garage at 7th and Broadway streets.

 

http://www.bizjournals.com/cincinnati/news/2013/12/10/heres-a-new-look-at-what-the.html

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god that is ugly. straight up, it will be hideous. i'm not talking oh the banks is a terrible attempt at urbanism ugly. no, this will be an eyesore, the likes of which this city has never seen....  proportionally, contextually, materially, its just really going to be bad. if one good thing were to come of it, i hope it will provide a case study of poor design making poor business sense, long run... my biggest fear (other than the gash on our city's face, is that when the units don't sell/rent that it will be taken as a lack of desire on the part of the market to support continued investment in downtown housing. unfortunately i stare directly out of my office window right at the current parking garage, so i'm really looking forward to my view being improved over the next year or so...(read sarcasm) i never thought i'd be excited to get that hotel built.

 

edit - spelling.

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^I think that's all a bit premature. Those elevation drawings are awful and don't ever accurately represent how a building will look or feel. The architect is one of the best in the city (John Senhauser) and has done loads of awesome work around the city, mostly in Mt. adams. He's known for his attention to detail and high quality design. This building shouldn't be any different. Its design is actually fairly simple. Vertical bands of glass with a main metal clad mass. I'd seriously wait until we see more renderings to make such a MASSIVELY BOLD claim. The one rendering we do have doesn't say any of the things you are saying.

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the one rendering we do have absolutely says those things... and i would have a hard time imagining any self respecting architect standing smiling next to that image. i know how to read (and ignore) an elevation, and how to interpret a rendering, and i get the design intent, and understand that theyre working within an established column grid. my comment is that its mostly uninspired garbage, and they could afford better with the same money. finishes will match (in quality) existing exterior, interior i'm not as concerned with at this point, because the first hurdle is getting people to want to live somwhere based on what it looks like from the outside. i'm very familiar with JSA and they do fine work. they do excellent single family residential work, in fact... still that still doesnt inspire much confidence.

 

worst project to ever grace our downtown? maybe not... still waiting to see banks phase 2 built.... this city has a massive educational problem when it comes to our collective expectations regarding high end contemporary design.

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... because the first hurdle is getting people to want to live somwhere based on what it looks like from the outside...

 

Pretty sure that is one of the last hurdles when getting somebody to move into an apartment downtown. First is location. Second is location. Third is value (price per amenity). Fourth is location.

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Out of curiosity, where exactly do you have this info on quality? That information isn't anywhere yet you're very confidently assuming that Senhauser will suddenly up and dismiss his own personal moral obligations to quality. Finishes are not going to match the existing garage. The building is glass and metal clad. The garage is not. There's no reason to believe that he would spec low quality materials when none of his projects have ever stooped to that low level of quality.

 

The massing shown is very similar in scale to that of the larger buildings in the surrounding area. These buildings have a predominantly vertical composition, as does this building. There's an established window grid on the main street sides which is contextual for the area. The building speaks a lot more to the surrounding historic office buildings than I think your'e interpreting.

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The elevation drawings do not represent the final product - and the rendering has been around for a decade. That said, it's going to look off because it's on top of a parking garage, and there is little to be done to disguise that unfortunate fact.

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worst project to ever grace our downtown? maybe not... still waiting to see banks phase 2 built.... this city has a massive educational problem when it comes to our collective expectations regarding high end contemporary design.

 

Its all the more sad given how great the quality of pre WWII architecture is in Cincy - there is plenty of great traditional architecture.  I'm surprised they don't do a better job hiding the garage, its not too much to ask to enclose it a bit more...

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i may have misrepresented my position when speaking about contextual quality. when it comes to the siting of the building i'm not normally too concerned with the directly adjacent buildings, but more how its particular siting merits architectural response  A) built context in this sense (disregarding for the moment solar and other site issues) is just the collective result of decisions made by other architects in the past, under normal conditions i wouldn't show them any extraordinary amount of respect.. B)i dont consider contextual appropriateness stylistic mimicry, rhythmic mimicry or anything of the sort, unless it fits into the concept for a particular project. i more think of context in terms of a buildings position in time relative to available technological, methodological capacities as well as construction trends and abilities of a local environment. context for me is working within the time the project is made, a reflection of the collective "zeitgeist" in which case this project may be contextually appropriate.

 

relative to how this building responds to its adjacent built environment though. i hardly see a convincing argument to be made for a response to any of it, superficially, sure it might work as an argument. but its a relatively chunky, squatty building perched atop a chunk-ier parking garage... the original proposal might not have been so bad, were it to have been incorporated as planned. but the addition of more levels of parking, i think merit a total rethinking of the project conceptually.  the perceived vertical emphasis, again is just too chunky for me, too much a result of simply cladding a floorplan. for the buildings length to its height, especially if it is largely disregarding its parking base, you'd expect greater and more pronounced emphasis on something...  the vertical or (and especially) if you are trying to separate yourself from the garage, a total distancing from the design and instead maybe emphasizing the horizontal, i dont know.

 

yay for more units downtown, but i disagree totally with the apparent desire to partially intergrate this new building with its base. i would have hoped the  move would be to even more profoundly disregard the base it and instead create an intervention that responds like you would hope a new structure being added to an old one would. in that, even though the project appears to attempt to distance itself from its its existing lower levels somewhat,  the project as a whole becomes to regular - too kinda-sorta of the old one, and not enough of a statement on its own. it appears to lack a stance.

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Another "at" name.....

 

 

Developers reveal name of new downtown apartment tower

Tom Demeropolis Reporter- Cincinnati Business Courier

 

 

NorthPointe Group and North American Properties today revealed the name of their planned $23 million downtown Cincinnati apartment tower: Seven at Broadway.

 

The 111-unit luxury apartment building is being constructed above the Seventh and Broadway Garage, located at the southwest corner of Seventh and Broadway streets. Downtown-based Al Neyer was selected as general contractor for the project.

 

http://www.bizjournals.com/cincinnati/news/2014/01/28/developers-reveal-name-of-new-downtown.html

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Is the '90s dotcom boom striking Cincinnati? In a couple decades, all development names will begin with a lowercase i.

 

2032 introducing the iVine Lofts @ The Square

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Is the '90s dotcom boom striking Cincinnati? In a couple decades, all development names will begin with a lowercase i.

 

2032 introducing the iVine Lofts @ The Square

 

The next expansion of the Kenwood Mall will be called:

 

e-Luxury@KenwoodTowneCentre.co.uk

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The new Broadway Tower is one of the better looking designs I've seen happen with our new buildings.  The new Dunhumby looks cool but I really like how this Broadway Tower has those block shapes jutting outward and that they are staggered.  To me, I love seeing more height on the Eastern side and I was really disappointed when The Edge didn't happen.  This will be nice to look at.

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I got a question. Which will be taller Seven at Broadway or Dunnhumby centre

 

Almost positive that Seven at Broadway will be taller, seeing how it is going to be roughly 15 stories, while Dunnhumby is only ~10

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April 1, 2014:

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I laughed out loud when I saw where the crane was anchored...this is the former site of Taco Casa, the single row building that held up construction back in 2001-02.  They built around it, then whoever owned it tore it down soon after the notch had been built.  I bet they did it out of spite!

 

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A Columbusite, living in Michigan, randomly posting pictures of this particular project in Cincy. Intriguing. :wtf:

 

Thanks for the photo update, nonetheless. Also, welcome to UO! (Only three posts...I think I can still say that!) :wave:

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Actually I'm from Michigan, and moved to Columbus last year (after a year of living in Missouri). I visited Cincinnati for the first time yesterday and took about a thousand shots. Only a few of the shots were of active construction though.

 

I've been lurking on UO for a year, but just haven't had a lot of contribute. Thanks for the welcome. You're the first to say that!

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Actually I'm from Michigan, and moved to Columbus last year (after a year of living in Missouri). I visited Cincinnati for the first time yesterday and took about a thousand shots. Only a few of the shots were of active construction though.

 

I've been lurking on UO for a year, but just haven't had a lot of contribute. Thanks for the welcome. You're the first to say that!

 

A thousand shots?  More photos to come I hope!

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Yeah, that is kind of my hobby. Those shots include Cincinnati, Covington, and Newport. I've got about 30,000 photos on Flickr under the same user name, mostly of Midwestern cities, but I have a backlog of photos so it will be awhile before I get my Cincinnati shots posted there.

 

I'll be posting some more construction shots for some other projects today.

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