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I've seen the mall in person and I think it looks like trash. Perhaps that disaster of a mall caused people to dislike this project more than they should.

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I've seen the mall in person and I think it looks like trash. Perhaps that disaster of a mall caused people to dislike this project more than they should.

 

You should have seen what was there before they built the mall.  It was an empty pit and tracks.  The area was horrible.

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Then Gehry doesn't sound so bad does he!?

 

yeah it does.  That is a gorgeous area with amazing brownstones and that crap will dwarf the beautiful brownstone neighborhoods.

 

I just don't understand why people get so flustered over scale; especially in New York City. I can understand if they had to demo historic brownstones for the project but like you said, it's much better than what was there.

 

 

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Then Gehry doesn't sound so bad does he!?

 

yeah it does.  That is a gorgeous area with amazing brownstones and that crap will dwarf the beautiful brownstone neighborhoods.

 

I just don't understand why people get so flustered over scale; especially in New York City. I can understand if they had to demo historic brownstones for the project but like you said, it's much better than what was there.

 

 

 

In NYC the only way to build is UP.  Thats why.    So when you have these old school brownstone neighborhoods, with 3/4 storey brownstones and apartment buildings no higher than 6/7 storey's.  A 15 storey building looks out of place and dwarfs the surrounding community.

 

Point in case www.111centralparknorth.com.  I can see this building from several block away.  It totally disrupted the corner of 110 & Lenox.  The building also prevent sunlight from reaching 111 & 112 Streets along with the street harmony on St. Nicholas and ACP Boulevards.

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I know it's a common concern, I just think its petty.

 

The building is in downtown; if it's not, it might as well be. It would be like building a high-rise in Over the Rhine at say, Main and Central Parkway.

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One problem with NYC as a whole is that it's such a developers' playground. Real estate is a huge playground here, especially when the demand is there. NYC has more or less always been known for this, but I'm interested to see how long it will last. I don't think it can last forever. Maybe I'm naive, but I just feel like there are only so many middle-class/lower-income people you can push out before the city's economy will begin to experience trouble.

 

That's one thing that certainly frustrates me about stuff like this.

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I know it's a common concern, I just think its petty.

 

The building is in downtown; if it's not, it might as well be. It would be like building a high-rise in Over the Rhine at say, Main and Central Parkway.

The buildings are not in downtown, they are proposed for the border of the Fort Green/Propsect Heights neighborhood of Brooklyn.  Two neighborhoods that border what is considered the CBD of Brooklyn.

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One problem with NYC as a whole is that it's such a developers' playground. Real estate is a huge playground here, especially when the demand is there. NYC has more or less always been known for this, but I'm interested to see how long it will last. I don't think it can last forever. Maybe I'm naive, but I just feel like there are only so many middle-class/lower-income people you can push out before the city's economy will begin to experience trouble.

 

That's one thing that certainly frustrates me about stuff like this.

Manhattan is pretty much insulated from this as there is always a buyer.  In the late 80's and 90's it was the Asians.  Right now it's Europeans.  Next up, the South American's.

 

The one thing that is hold up the NYC economy is FOREIGN tourism.  The Banking industry and Financial industry is in the crapper here and in (SFO and CLT). When that happens...the economy suffers and disposable income spending is cut back.  Brokers aren't buying as they aren't getting huge bonuses.

 

Now, downtown Brooklyn (Brooklyn Hts., Cobble Hill Boerum Hill and as of the last 5-10 years, Fort Green, Clinton Hills, Prospect Hts. and Park Slope) and Northern Jersey (Weehawken, Jersey City and Hoboken), the places where those with money who could not afford Manhattan (below 96 street) moved are in jeopardy.  Those who were middle class are being replaced by young and Nouveau riche, who aren't getting a return on their investment.

 

When I live in downtown Brooklyn Fort Green, Clinton hills and Bed Stuy, were  dangerous as hell.  Then the gays moved into Fort Green and the Lesbians took over Park Slope (no exaggeration) and it's been over since then.  Now, even the gays are being displaced.

 

That all brought people to upper Manhattan, NW Brooklyn and Western Queens.

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One problem with NYC as a whole is that it's such a developers' playground. Real estate is a huge playground here, especially when the demand is there. NYC has more or less always been known for this, but I'm interested to see how long it will last. I don't think it can last forever. Maybe I'm naive, but I just feel like there are only so many middle-class/lower-income people you can push out before the city's economy will begin to experience trouble.

 

That's one thing that certainly frustrates me about stuff like this.

Manhattan is pretty much insulated from this as there is always a buyer. In the late 80's and 90's it was the Asians. Right now it's Europeans. Next up, the South American's.

 

The one thing that is hold up the NYC economy is FOREIGN tourism. The Banking industry and Financial industry is in the crapper here and in (SFO and CLT). When that happens...the economy suffers and disposable income spending is cut back. Brokers aren't buying as they aren't getting huge bonuses.

 

Now, downtown Brooklyn (Brooklyn Hts., Cobble Hill Boerum Hill and as of the last 5-10 years, Fort Green, Clinton Hills, Prospect Hts. and Park Slope) and Northern Jersey (Weehawken, Jersey City and Hoboken), the places where those with money who could not afford Manhattan (below 96 street) moved are in jeopardy. Those who were middle class are being replaced by young and Nouveau riche, who aren't getting a return on their investment.

 

When I live in downtown Brooklyn Fort Green, Clinton hills and Bed Stuy, were dangerous as hell. Then the gays moved into Fort Green and the Lesbians took over Park Slope (no exaggeration) and it's been over since then. Now, even the gays are being displaced.

 

That all brought people to upper Manhattan, NW Brooklyn and Western Queens.

 

I wonder how long it'll take for it to hit The Bronx. :)

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Then Gehry doesn't sound so bad does he!?

 

yeah it does. That is a gorgeous area with amazing brownstones and that crap will dwarf the beautiful brownstone neighborhoods.

 

I just don't understand why people get so flustered over scale; especially in New York City. I can understand if they had to demo historic brownstones for the project but like you said, it's much better than what was there.

 

 

 

In NYC the only way to build is UP. Thats why. So when you have these old school brownstone neighborhoods, with 3/4 storey brownstones and apartment buildings no higher than 6/7 storey's. A 15 storey building looks out of place and dwarfs the surrounding community.

 

Point in case www.111centralparknorth.com. I can see this building from several block away. It totally disrupted the corner of 110 & Lenox. The building also prevent sunlight from reaching 111 & 112 Streets along with the street harmony on St. Nicholas and ACP Boulevards.

 

My point is that I think its close ENOUGH. Besides, it's on a busy commercial street.

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Then Gehry doesn't sound so bad does he!?

 

yeah it does.  That is a gorgeous area with amazing brownstones and that crap will dwarf the beautiful brownstone neighborhoods.

 

I just don't understand why people get so flustered over scale; especially in New York City. I can understand if they had to demo historic brownstones for the project but like you said, it's much better than what was there.

 

 

 

In NYC the only way to build is UP.  Thats why.    So when you have these old school brownstone neighborhoods, with 3/4 storey brownstones and apartment buildings no higher than 6/7 storey's.  A 15 storey building looks out of place and dwarfs the surrounding community.

 

Point in case www.111centralparknorth.com.  I can see this building from several block away.  It totally disrupted the corner of 110 & Lenox.  The building also prevent sunlight from reaching 111 & 112 Streets along with the street harmony on St. Nicholas and ACP Boulevards.

 

My point is that I think its close ENOUGH. Besides, it's on a busy commercial street.

 

David, I'll just chalk your answer up to not being familiar with the streets of brooklyn.  Those streets are not all commercial.  I would venture to categorize Atlantic and Flatbush Avenues as mixed use, but call that area a commercial & transportation hub.

 

Hanson, Fulton, Pacific and Dean, which are parallel to Atlantic are residential.  All cross streets are residential with the exception of the newly created street/access road in front of Path Market.

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Atlantic Yard Project Suffers a Setback

 

By PETER KIEFER, Staff Reporter of the Sun | September 30, 2008

 

Forest City Ratner's $4 billion Atlantic Yards development project will be delayed by an additional six months or more in the wake of a ruling by a state Appellate Court.

 

http://www.nysun.com/new-york/atlantic-yard-project-suffers-a-setback/86851/

 

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Quite a change in the before and after renderings.  It reminds me of the scene in "The Fountainhead" where Howard Roark's clean modern design is "improved" with neo-classical facings of arches and columns!

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At least Atlantic Yards has a Bdubs.. that's the only reason I venture to Brooklyn.

Well haven't you become the little elitist!  ;)

 

Why yes, yes I have.. :)

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At least Atlantic Yards has a Bdubs.. that's the only reason I venture to Brooklyn.

Well haven't you become the little elitist!  ;)

 

Why yes, yes I have.. :)

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See what living on the UES has done!  Even your "yikes" girlfriend is over you!

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time for an update yet?!!  :laugh:

 

 

from last wkend, among other things around the atlantic yards this the new barclays nets arena going up -- courtesy of cleveland's forest city ratner developers:

 

 

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more arena, more protests:

 

 

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ATLANTIC YARDSVILLE—The heat can't stop the anti-Atlantic Yards sentiment—it just comes out earlier in the morning. People for Political and Economic Empowerment will be holding a rally at 9:30 tomorrow morning "to protest the lack of promised jobs at Forest City Ratner's Atlantic Yards site and other development sites in the greater Downtown Brooklyn area," according to a press release from Develop Don't Destroy Brooklyn. The rally will start at the corner of Atlantic and Sixth avenues. [CurbedWire Inbox]

 

http://ny.curbed.com/archives/2011/07/26/jobs_protest_at_atlantic_yards_vinegar_hill_condo_changes_brokers.php

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Looks like this project has the potential to and will come out very nice. Just seems like from the politics and economics end the thing is a mess.

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well if they can do it over a railyard they could do someplace closer to home, too...like say cle's warehouse district parking lots! btw these arent funded yet.

 

 

Ratner unveils rendering of Atlantic Yards residential towers

 

By AMEBR SUTHERLAND, RICH CALDER and CATHY BURKE

 

Last Updated: 2:53 PM, November 17, 2011

 

 

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It’s fab ... pre-fab that is.

 

A rendering of the first of three Atlantic Yards residential towers was unveiled this morning -- a honeycomb-looking behemoth that would be the world’s largest pre-fabricated “modular “ building .

 

Developer Bruce Ratner showed off the quirky overview of the project that he wants to build next to his Barclays Center arena at the corner of Dean Street and Flatbush Avenue in Brooklyn.

 

Ratner said if financing is secured -- it has not been so far -- groundbreaking for the first tower could start next spring, and be comprised of 350 units.

 

The building — at 32-stories high, the largest in the project -- is intended to go up like a huge Lego project , floor-by-floor, with each floor comprised of “pods” that will be built off site and then lifted in place and bolted together.

 

The first building is planned to be 130 studios, 180 one-bedrooms and 40 two-bedroom units. It’ll feature a 24-hour doorman, fitness center, bicycle storage, resident lounge and roof terrace, and washer and drier in every unit.

 

If the entire project of 16 towers is completed it will offer 6,430 units of housing.

 

The residences are envisioned to be a Lego’s-throw away from Barclays Center, the new arena of the Nets basketball team scheduled to open next September.

 

 

Read more: http://www.nypost.com/p/news/local/brooklyn/ratner_unveils_rendering_of_atlantic_rXHJ0X9V1lHgY5hw6kDsOM#ixzz1e3K07aG6

 

 

 

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Building-trades suit over prefab B’klyn tower

 

By JULIA MARSH

Last Updated: 4:46 AM, July 11, 2013

 

Two trade groups have sued the city to block the construction in Downtown Brooklyn of the world’s largest modular housing tower.

According to court papers, the groups claim that officials allowed Atlantic Yards developer Forest City Ratner to bypass crucial building-safety codes.

 

 

 

http://m.nypost.com/p/news/local/brooklyn/building_trades_suit_over_prefab_gRyzzdDbkdg6EEnHdP9vwK

 

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so it appears forest city ratner recently sold out 70% of atlantic yards to greenland holdings, a shanghai development group, although they will still maintain control over the project.

 

presumably greenland paid fcr well for it and will be able to build it out cheaper:

 

http://m.us.wsj.com/articles/SB10001424052702304520704579127822887005590?mg=reno64-wsj

 

now if fcr would only sell off scranton peninsula to greenland too, so that could get developed...!  :whip:

 

 

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Imagine if the market in Cleveland were able to support such a project. Scranton peninsula could be a city within a city. Although, if we were at the point where we could support that, we would be paying 25 bucks for a corned beef sandwich....

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china is encouraging investment abroad to diversify their businesses during their current economic slowdown, so now is the time to pitch to these chinese developers like greenland. they could certainly make scranton redevelopment happen, too.

 

 

 

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The first residential tower of atlantic yards, called B2 is going up next to the arena. it will be the largest modular tower at 32 floors/322'. the prefab apt units are being put together at the brooklyn navy yard nearby and trucked over to be stacked up, lego-like:

 

http://m.ny.curbed.com/archives/2013/12/12/atlantic_yards_tower_b2_starts_stacking_gets_its_first_mod.php

 

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Imagine if the market in Cleveland were able to support such a project. Scranton peninsula could be a city within a city. Although, if we were at the point where we could support that, we would be paying 25 bucks for a corned beef sandwich....

 

FYI, much (most?) of Scranton Peninsula is owned by Scranton Averell Inc., an aggregates company.

 

Back to Brooklyn.


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