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38 percent of Americans are too stupid to vote or have children 

 

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"Life is 10% what happens to you and 90% how you respond." -- Coach Lou Holtz

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Just don't kill us, you b@stards....

 

 


"Life is 10% what happens to you and 90% how you respond." -- Coach Lou Holtz

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At least 33 new positives in California, and  apparently 5 of them managed to leave the state before being quarantined, per news out of SF.  Most or all of them had not traveled recently, so this is person to person.

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Too bad Trump hates California to death....

 

 


"Life is 10% what happens to you and 90% how you respond." -- Coach Lou Holtz

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the degree to which Democrats have politicized coronavirus is shocking, but not surprising

 

AP FACT CHECK: Democrats distort coronavirus readiness

 

https://apnews.com/d36d6c4de29f4d04beda3db00cb46104?fbclid=IwAR1iS9LOtL1PWqlkB_whY_xSv-yHaF5C1bAw6RIageiDhwhRP0Dw3OQBJC4

 

WASHINGTON (AP) — Democratic presidential contenders are describing the federal infectious-disease bureaucracy as rudderless and ill-prepared for the coronavirus threat because of budget cuts and ham-handed leadership by President Donald Trump. That’s a distorted picture. For starters, Trump hasn’t succeeded in cutting the budget.

 

He’s proposed cuts but Congress ignored him and increased financing instead. The National Institutes of Health and the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention aren’t suffering from budget cuts that never took effect.

 

 

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Impressive that the conspiratorial right wing nutters are listening to trump to not pump up the theories now that the main stream media are running constant stories with global updates of where it is spreading. Now apparently that is too far for trump and has called the coverage a hoax. 
   Until the testing starts taking place en masse so that we understand the scale and breadth of how this spreads i don’t consider it a hoax as it is highly contagious. 
   The other big question is are new diseases caused by coronavirus permanent?   Can people truly recover? Italy currently has a 2.5% death rate.  I believe that is Spanish flu level. That is at least 25x worse than the normal flu.  100 people are in intensive care in Italy so it could hit 3% and todays medicine and procedures are vastly better than in 1917. 

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I just listened to the Trump press conference on NPR.  It was chaos. 

 

Trump knows that this could end up sinking his presidency and he's absolutely flipping out. 

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2 hours ago, eastvillagedon said:

the degree to which Democrats have politicized coronavirus is shocking, but not surprising

 

AP FACT CHECK: Democrats distort coronavirus readiness

 

https://apnews.com/d36d6c4de29f4d04beda3db00cb46104?fbclid=IwAR1iS9LOtL1PWqlkB_whY_xSv-yHaF5C1bAw6RIageiDhwhRP0Dw3OQBJC4

 

WASHINGTON (AP) — Democratic presidential contenders are describing the federal infectious-disease bureaucracy as rudderless and ill-prepared for the coronavirus threat because of budget cuts and ham-handed leadership by President Donald Trump. That’s a distorted picture. For starters, Trump hasn’t succeeded in cutting the budget.

 

He’s proposed cuts but Congress ignored him and increased financing instead. The National Institutes of Health and the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention aren’t suffering from budget cuts that never took effect.

 

 

 

Yeah, the man who buys into conspiracy theories about how the Dems helped create the virus to bring him down is definitely not politicizing things.  It's a little too early to be drunk enough to believe such nonsense, Don.  And it is factual that Trump got rid of hundreds of positions.

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On 2/29/2020 at 12:35 PM, eastvillagedon said:

For starters, Trump hasn’t succeeded in cutting the budget.

 

He’s proposed cuts but Congress ignored him and increased financing instead. The National Institutes of Health and the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention aren’t suffering from budget cuts that never took effect.

 

You might think this is a good defense of the president, but you're mistaken.

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This administration will be responsible for the deaths of thousands, if not millions.....

 

 


"Life is 10% what happens to you and 90% how you respond." -- Coach Lou Holtz

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6 minutes ago, KJP said:

This administration will be responsible for the deaths of thousands, if not millions.....

 

 

 

The administration is highly likely doing this intentionally, IMO.  If you can't test for it, you can't find out how big a problem it really is and you can pretend it's not a big deal.  How many serious illnesses and deaths have been assigned other causes in the last month or so?  Unfortunately, most of the country seems to now think the same thing.  "It's no worse than the regular flu" is widespread.  

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Yeah this is going to get out of control. States are going to have to start pre-empting CDC in some situations and implement their own protocols

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8 minutes ago, YABO713 said:

Yeah this is going to get out of control. States are going to have to start pre-empting CDC in some situations and implement their own protocols

Don't worry Trump has Kudlow and Mnuchin on it. They are well versed in medicine. 

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14 minutes ago, freefourur said:

Don't worry Trump has Kudlow and Mnuchin on it. They are well versed in medicine. 

 

Instead of people like this in charge.... and FYI, this is the best and most thorough explanation I've heard to date. 

 

 

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Mapping 2019-nCoV

 

The Dashboard: https://www.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/index.html#/bda7594740fd40299423467b48e9ecf6

 

Coronavirus Covid-19 Global Cases by John Hopkins CSSE

 

Reference: Dong E, Du H, Gardner L. An interactive web-based dashboard to track COVID-19 in real time. Lancet Infect Dis; published online Feb 19. https://doi.org/10.1016/S1473-3099(20)30120-1.

 

Background

On December 31, 2019, the World Health Organization (WHO) was informed of an outbreak of “pneumonia of unknown cause” detected in Wuhan City, Hubei Province, China – the seventh-largest city in China with 11 million residents. As of January 23, there are over 800 cases of 2019-nCoV confirmed globally, including cases in at least 20 regions in China and nine countries/territories. The first reported infected individuals, some of whom showed symptoms as early as December 8, were discovered to be among stallholders from the Wuhan South China Seafood Market. Subsequently, the wet market was closed on Jan 1. The virus causing the outbreak was quickly determined to be a novel coronavirus. On January 10, gene sequencing further determined it to be the new Wuhan coronavirus, namely 2019-nCoV, a betacoronavirus, related to the Middle Eastern Respiratory Syndrome virus (MERS-CoV) and the Severe Acute Respiratory Syndrome virus (SARSCoV). However, the mortality and transmissibility of 2019-nCoV are still unknown, and likely to vary from those of the prior referenced coronaviruses.

 

Infected travelers (primarily air) are known to be responsible for introductions of the virus outside Wuhan. On Jan 13 Thailand reported the first international case outside China, while the first cases within China, but outside of Wuhan were reported on January 19, in Guangdong and Beijing. On January 20, China’s National Health Commission (NHC) confirmed that the coronavirus can be transmitted between humans. On the same day human infections with 2019-nCoV had also been confirmed in Japan and South Korea, and the following day cases in the U.S. and Taiwan were detected in travelers returning from Wuhan. On January 21 multiple provinces in China were also reporting new cases and infection was confirmed in 15 healthcare workers, with six fatalities reported. Additional travel cases have now been confirmed in Hong KongMacau, Singapore and Vietnam. On Jan 22, a WHO emergency committee convened to discuss whether the outbreak should be classified as a public health emergency of international concern (PHEIC) under International Health Regulations, but were initially undecided due to lack of information, before deciding against the declaration.

 

Of immediate concern is the risk of further transmission resulting from high travel volumes and mass gatherings in celebration of the Chinese New Year on January 24. In attempts to mitigate local transmission within China, unprecedented outbreak control strategies were implemented in (initially) three cities. On 23 January 2020, Wuhan suspended  all public transport and air travel (in and out of the city), placing all 11 million city residents under quarantine. On Jan 24, Huanggang and Ezhou, cities adjacent to Wuhan, will also be placed under a similar quarantine, with more cities in China now following suit. Further, many cities have canceled Chinese New Year celebrations.

 

As Wuhan is a major air transportation hub in central China, various measures have been taken on a global scale to mitigate international spread. Targeted airport screening of passengers traveling from Wuhan was initiated as early as January 1 in Hong Kong and Macau. Taiwan, Singapore and Thailand starting to screen arriving passengers on January 3. In the U.S., the CDC began entry screening of passengers on direct and connecting flights from Wuhan to the three main ports of entry on January 17, 2020, with Atlanta and Chicago soon to be added. On January 23 the U.S. CDC raised its travel notice for Wuhan, China, to the highest of three levels. Additional Pacific and Asian countries including Malaysia, Sri Lanka, Bangladesh and India are now also conducting targeted passenger screening at airports.

 

GIS Dashboard  (Updated February 11, 2020)

In response to this ongoing public health emergency, we developed an interactive web-based dashboard (static snapshot shown above) hosted by the Center for Systems Science and Engineering (CSSE) at Johns Hopkins University, to visualize and track reported cases in real-time. The dashboard, first shared publicly on January 22, illustrates the location and number of confirmed COVID-19 cases, deaths and recoveries for all affected countries. It was developed to provide researchers, public health authorities and the general public with a user-friendly tool to track the outbreak as it unfolds. Further, all the data collected and displayed is made freely available, initially as google sheets, now in a GitHub repository, along with the feature layers of the dashboard, which are now included in the ESRI Living Atlas.

 

The dashboard reports cases at the province level in China, city level in the US, Australia and Canada, and at the country level otherwise. From January 22-31 the entire data collection and processing was managed manually. During this period the number of updates were typically conducted twice a day, both morning and night (Eastern Time). As the outbreak evolved, the manual reporting process became unsustainable, and on February 1, we adopted a semi-automated living data stream strategy. Our primary data source is DXY, an online platform run by members of the Chinese medical community, which aggregates local media and government reports to provide COVID-19 cumulative case totals in near real-time at the province level in China and country level otherwise. Every 15 minutes, the cumulative case counts are updated from DXY for all provinces in China and affected countries and regions. For countries and regions outside mainland China (including Hong Kong, Macau and Taiwan), we found DXY cumulative case counts to frequently lag other sources; we therefore manually update these case numbers throughout the day when new cases are identified. To identify new cases, we monitor various twitter feeds, online news services, and direct communication sent through the dashboard. Before manually updating the dashboard, we confirm the case numbers using regional and local health departments, namely the China CDC (CCDC), Hong Kong Department of Health, Macau GovernmentTaiwan CDC, European CDC (ECDC), the World Health Organization (WHO), as well as city and state level health authorities. For city level case reports in the U.S., Australia, and Canada, which we began reporting on February 1, we rely on the US CDC, Government of CanadaAustralia Government Department of Health and various state or territory health authorities. All manual updates (outside mainland China) are coordinated by a team at JHU.

 

We are currently in the process of conducting additional modeling of this emerging outbreak, and will update this blog post with the results soon.

https://systems.jhu.edu/research/public-health/ncov/

 

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i see in the news nyc has its first confirmed case.

 

its somebody who visited iran.

 

meanwhile the various chinatowns with their restaurants and businesses that live on a thin edge anyway are getting clobbered.

 

ugh.

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It's spread to a few new countries today- Andorra and Indonesia, after spreading to the Dominican Republic, Ecuador, the Czech Republic and Armenia over the weekend.  The number of cases doesn't seem to be rising that fast, but I imagine a lot of that is because testing procedures have been so terrible, combined with multiple governments seemingly working to minimize negative news.  For a virus that everyone says is no worse than the regular flu, I'm not sure why controlling information is such a high priority.

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1 hour ago, jonoh81 said:

It's spread to a few new countries today- Andorra and Indonesia, after spreading to the Dominican Republic, Ecuador, the Czech Republic and Armenia over the weekend.  The number of cases doesn't seem to be rising that fast, but I imagine a lot of that is because testing procedures have been so terrible, combined with multiple governments seemingly working to minimize negative news.  For a virus that everyone says is no worse than the regular flu, I'm not sure why controlling information is such a high priority.

 

Add Portugal, Senegal and Latvia for new cases.  

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https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/2020/03/04/coronavirus-flu-comparison/

 

An article from today. You know what I find interesting?

 

"By comparison, influenza — known as the common flu — has infected as many as 45 million Americans since October and killed as many as 46,000, according to estimates from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention."

 

But if you look at their raw numbers from September 30th, 2019 - February 15th, 2020 only 3,482 people have died from influenza. An amazing 14,518 - 42,518 will have to have died in the last two weeks for their estimates to ring true. So what in the world is going on here? Why is the Washington Post reporting that? Why is the CDC still publishing that? Why are you all falling for the fear porn again? SARS, Avian Flu, Swine Flu, West Nile Virus, Ebola, Zika, and now Coronavirus. Every 2-3 years you're manipulated under fear of death. When will you call out the Boy Who Cried Wolf?

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The flu's death rate is .1%, the coronavirus 1.7-2.5 percent. 

 

That is an enormous difference, and containment is very difficult.

 

This isn't fear porn. 1.7-2.5 percent of 45,000,000 would be nearly a million people. That's a whole different level.

 

And there are vaccines for the flu; nothing for coronavirus.

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18 minutes ago, aderwent said:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/2020/03/04/coronavirus-flu-comparison/

 

An article from today. You know what I find interesting?

 

"By comparison, influenza — known as the common flu — has infected as many as 45 million Americans since October and killed as many as 46,000, according to estimates from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention."

 

But if you look at their raw numbers from September 30th, 2019 - February 15th, 2020 only 3,482 people have died from influenza. An amazing 14,518 - 42,518 will have to have died in the last two weeks for their estimates to ring true. So what in the world is going on here? Why is the Washington Post reporting that? Why is the CDC still publishing that? Why are you all falling for the fear porn again? SARS, Avian Flu, Swine Flu, West Nile Virus, Ebola, Zika, and now Coronavirus. Every 2-3 years you're manipulated under fear of death. When will you call out the Boy Who Cried Wolf?

Great thought process and i would normally be right along with this logic. However, pandemics are real. Just because you didn’t end up getting SARS doesn’t mean that government didn’t take it seriously. The Novel Coronavirus is something never seen before. I and many people believe it to be man-made. Scientists notice there are 3 points in the RNA of the virus that have been spliced and edited.  It sounds like it has mutated a bit already. 
  Whatever is hitting Italy, Iran, and China seems pretty aggressive.  I don’t recall people keeling over in the streets with other diseases. I don’t recall the secrecy countries are going to keep a lid on how serious this is. There is no open news about what is going on in Wuhan.  There were credible reports of hundreds of people dying and since they weren’t tested never got classified as dying from this virus. I think Wuhan is still shut off. 
   Its better to treat this very seriously and limit its quick spread. Better to allow time to develop a vaccine. 

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1 minute ago, TBideon said:

The flu's death rate is .1%, the coronavirus 1.7-2.5 percent. 

 

That is an enormous difference, and containment is very difficult.

 

This isn't fear porn. 1.7-2.5 percent of 45,000,000 would be nearly a million people. That's a whole different level.

 

And there are vaccines for the flu; nothing for coronavirus.

 

We really don't know the fatality rate of coronavirus.  Yesterday, WHO sad 3.4% of confirmed cases, but who knows how many milder cases there have been, or how many deaths there have been that were either not reported or assigned different causes.  Covid-19 was in Washington for 6 weeks, and no one was testing for it prior to a week or so ago, and we've barely tested anyone nationally yet.  Outside of China, which is the only country seeing significant declines- conveniently- cases are exploding everywhere else.  New cases reported now in Poland, Faroe Islands, Gibraltar and Saint Bethelemy. Aside from Poland, we're getting into some small, isolated places.  

 

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2 minutes ago, audidave said:

Great thought process and i would normally be right along with this logic. However, pandemics are real. Just because you didn’t end up getting SARS doesn’t mean that government didn’t take it seriously. The Novel Coronavirus is something never seen before. I and many people believe it to be man-made. Scientists notice there are 3 points in the RNA of the virus that have been spliced and edited.  It sounds like it has mutated a bit already. 
  Whatever is hitting Italy, Iran, and China seems pretty aggressive.  I don’t recall people keeling over in the streets with other diseases. I don’t recall the secrecy countries are going to keep a lid on how serious this is. There is no open news about what is going on in Wuhan.  There were credible reports of hundreds of people dying and since they weren’t tested never got classified as dying from this virus. I think Wuhan is still shut off. 
   Its better to treat this very seriously and limit its quick spread. Better to allow time to develop a vaccine. 

 

There is no evidence this was man-made and I haven't seen anything anywhere that suggests its RNA or anything else has been tampered with artificially. It's been traced back to human-animal interaction. 

The government secrecy is more a function that people in many countries have voted in nationalistic populists or authoritarians who already have a propensity to want to isolate their nations and consolidate power in their respective executive branches.  Pretending like this is no big deal, or underreporting cases, is safer for the status quo than admitting that they don't have things under complete control.  

As for there being far more cases than are being reported, it's hard to say.  We assume nations like China are doing that, but we can't say with 100% certainty.  In the 1918 flu, China did relatively well compared to the rest of the world, with the thinking that the virus had swept through the population at some point previously, raising their immunity before it arose with a vengeance globally at the end of 1917.  

We probably won't know the full scale of things for months, if not a few years.

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The right wing conspiracy world is all about the virus coming out of a lab in Wuhan. There is a correlation of researchers from Canada that were caught sending SARS virus samples to the lab there. Whether it was unknowingly released or accidentally released is obviously unknown. I really have no doubt they were testing this disease on animals. So researchers can say they have a 90% confidence that it came from animals.  I would wait to hear from bioengineers that have looked at and reviewed the RNA. Supposedly the full RNA was released online by another lab in China in January. 

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Why is that a right wing conspiracy? I mean, I can't stand those nutters in general, but clearly labs have created viruses before i.e. Sars 2.0 and 2009's H1N1.

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36 minutes ago, TBideon said:

The flu's death rate is .1%, the coronavirus 1.7-2.5 percent. 

 

That is an enormous difference, and containment is very difficult.

 

This isn't fear porn. 1.7-2.5 percent of 45,000,000 would be nearly a million people. That's a whole different level.

 

And there are vaccines for the flu; nothing for coronavirus.

We don't know what the COVID-19 death rate is. Considering some people carry it around with zero symptoms I'd imagine we'll never have a true rate.

 

That's exactly what fear porn is. Extrapolating across an entire population with inaccurate base figures. Comparing it to 1918 is fear mongering at its best. Before modern antivirals. Before modern antibiotics (more people actually died of bacterial pneumonia than the flu). Before modern sanitation. Before modern hygiene. I mean come on.

 

Vaccines with 50% efficacy rates. Less efficacy than simply supplementing Vitamin D.

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23 minutes ago, audidave said:

The right wing conspiracy world is all about the virus coming out of a lab in Wuhan. There is a correlation of researchers from Canada that were caught sending SARS virus samples to the lab there. Whether it was unknowingly released or accidentally released is obviously unknown. I really have no doubt they were testing this disease on animals. So researchers can say they have a 90% confidence that it came from animals.  I would wait to hear from bioengineers that have looked at and reviewed the RNA. Supposedly the full RNA was released online by another lab in China in January. 

Wanna hear a conspiracy? As high as 95% of the "Spanish Flu" deaths were from bacterial pneumonia. That should have been clear since the "Spanish Flu" attacked young, healthy people in their prime; the opposite of whom the flu kills i.e. the elderly and otherwise immunodeficient. The first cases of the "Spanish Flu" trace back to Fort Riley in Kansas on March 4th, 1918. What happened at Fort Riley from January 25th - June 4th, 1918? An experimental vaccine for bacterial meningitis was administered to 3,700 volunteers. This was one of 16 training locations for World War I infantry. The Rockefeller Institute also sent their vaccine to European allies though their testing of soldiers isn't as well documented. 2+2=5?

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25 minutes ago, aderwent said:

We don't know what the COVID-19 death rate is. Considering some people carry it around with zero symptoms I'd imagine we'll never have a true rate.

 

That's exactly what fear porn is. Extrapolating across an entire population with inaccurate base figures. Comparing it to 1918 is fear mongering at its best. Before modern antivirals. Before modern antibiotics (more people actually died of bacterial pneumonia than the flu). Before modern sanitation. Before modern hygiene. I mean come on.

 

Vaccines with 50% efficacy rates. Less efficacy than simply supplementing Vitamin D.

 

 

https://www.npr.org/sections/goatsandsoda/2020/03/03/809965742/personal-essay-from-wuhan-living-in-hell

 

Personal Essay: Coronavirus Lockdown Is A 'Living Hell'

 

Did Wuhan not have any of those things?

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