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Harbor Bay in Ohio City would underway by 2021-22-23, no? How tall does a bldg have to be to require a tower crane?

 

Also Lumen Act II and One Univ Circle Part 2 (1UCP2).

 

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9 minutes ago, Pugu said:

Harbor Bay in Ohio City would underway by 2021-22-23, no? How tall does a bldg have to be to require a tower crane?

 

Also Lumen Act II and One Univ Circle Part 2 (1UCP2).

 

 

Harbor Bay will be underway in two months. It will have two cranes, although not until later this summer.

 

Don't expect a 1UCP2. Basically, that's what the new First Interstate development on Larchmere is. But the Library Lofts, whenever CPL gets off its butt with the new MLK branch, will require a crane.

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3 hours ago, GISguy said:

They've put up banners of upcoming major events on the Lorain Carnegie bridge and it got me thinking about cranes and downtown progress being shown on national TV. Browsing around the forum, here's a quick take by year and event (I'm assuming some of my development dates are off, but y'all get the idea):

 

  • 2024 - NCAA Women's Final Four - who knows what @KJP has up his sleeve...Thunderbird?

Maybe a couple cranes at the airport constructing a new terminal by then?
 

2 hours ago, KJP said:

I don't expect SHW to have cranes up until mid- to late-2021. City Club could have a crane by then. So might 2-4 others. 

2-4 others!?  👀 that’s exciting to think about.  Here’s hoping the Weston-Jacobs sites are fenced in with heavy earth moving equipment inside by the NFL Draft.  Those bare patches have had their fair share of the limelight, time for something new.

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I guess the good, but also sad, news is that almost every major city in the country has CBD parking lot blight; the only exceptions being Manhattan, DC, Boston and SFO.

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8 hours ago, KJP said:

 

Harbor Bay will be underway in two months. It will have two cranes, although not until later this summer.

 

Don't expect a 1UCP2. Basically, that's what the new First Interstate development on Larchmere is. But the Library Lofts, whenever CPL gets off its butt with the new MLK branch, will require a crane.

The comment about no One University Circle part 2 stinks but is good at the same time due to a development going up somewhere close. That corner of Euclid and Stokes could bring energy to a relatively dead section of Euclid, pedestrian wise. Outside of high school students it's pretty slow.

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5 hours ago, Frmr CLEder said:

I guess the good, but also sad, news is that almost every major city in the country has CBD parking lot blight; the only exceptions being Manhattan, DC, Boston and SFO.

True but from what I understand the Pittsburgh CBD has done a pretty good job of eliminating a lot of their excessive parking lots by greatly increasing the taxes on the parking lots to the point of making it more profitable to develop them instead of leaving them as eyesores aka parking lots.

 

https://www.pghcitypaper.com/pittsburgh/why-is-parking-so-expensive-in-pittsburgh/Content?oid=1334401

Pittsburgh's 50 percent parking tax is "the highest rate in the nation,"

 

https://www.pghcitypaper.com/pittsburgh/how-many-parking-spots-does-the-new-penn-plaza-development-really-need/Content%3Foid%3D13492204%26media%3DAMP%2BHTML&ved=0ahUKEwiQ1ryy44nnAhWvT98KHfh3BIsQyM8BCDAwAg&usg=AOvVaw2-rtjJYeMmkb45toe7au30&ampcf=1

 

https://streets.mn/2012/12/10/tax-land-not-buildings/&ved=2ahUKEwjkj8mp54nnAhXxqFkKHZSrAR8QFjAZegQIWhAB&usg=AOvVaw2qOrHugAgAldLc4P3Ez_-v

The conventional property tax, which taxes land and buildings at the same rate, is essentially backwards when it comes to the behaviors it incentivizes. It penalizes property owners for building or making improvements to their structures, while rewarding speculators and absentee landlords who would rather allow their properties to decay than make expensive (and annually taxable) improvements. Taxing land and buildings at the same rate means that as long as you don’t put any buildings on your land, your tax bill is going to remain relatively cheap. 

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52 minutes ago, Larry1962 said:

True but from what I understand the Pittsburgh CBD has done a pretty good job of eliminating a lot of their excessive parking lots by greatly increasing the taxes on the parking lots to the point of making it more profitable to develop them instead of leaving them as eyesores aka parking lots.

They had land value taxes in PA until recently if I'm not mistaken. 

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cleveland+from+lake+erie+2020-labeled.jp

 

MONDAY, JANUARY 20, 2020

Return of the Roaring 20s: downtown Cleveland development

 

Entering the 2020s, early as next year and likely continuing for at least several more years, it's looking more likely that downtown Cleveland will have as many skyscrapers under construction simultaneously as were built in the entire decade prior. Of course, this depends on the local and national economies. It's a return of the Roaring Twenties for Cleveland.

Nearly a dozen skyscrapers are planned downtown, along with several more buildings in the 10-19 stories range, and a handful of shorter new buildings. Unfortunately, not all of them are going to happen. Even the most well-thought-out plans go awry for the craziest of unanticipated reasons. Some of these are early on in their planning but already have some meaningful financial backing.

 

MORE

https://neo-trans.blogspot.com/2020/01/return-of-roaring-20s-downtown.html

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Wow, I love it!  

 

Did you intentionally leave out the three left- most unidentified buildings on your skyline mockup?  Or are they just too short to make an impact on the skyline?

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31 minutes ago, KJP said:

cleveland+from+lake+erie+2020-labeled.jp

 

MONDAY, JANUARY 20, 2020

Return of the Roaring 20s: downtown Cleveland development

 

Entering the 2020s, early as next year and likely continuing for at least several more years, it's looking more likely that downtown Cleveland will have as many skyscrapers under construction simultaneously as were built in the entire decade prior. Of course, this depends on the local and national economies. It's a return of the Roaring Twenties for Cleveland.

Nearly a dozen skyscrapers are planned downtown, along with several more buildings in the 10-19 stories range, and a handful of shorter new buildings. Unfortunately, not all of them are going to happen. Even the most well-thought-out plans go awry for the craziest of unanticipated reasons. Some of these are early on in their planning but already have some meaningful financial backing.

 

MORE

https://neo-trans.blogspot.com/2020/01/return-of-roaring-20s-downtown.html

When do you think that some pf these 5 Unidentified Towers be identified?

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Great article and I love the historical perspective.  Just curious, how tall are unidentified bldgs 1, 2, and 5 anticipated to be? (You indicated this for 3 & 4, but not the others.)

 

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22 minutes ago, West153 said:

Wow, I love it!  

 

Did you intentionally leave out the three left- most unidentified buildings on your skyline mockup?  Or are they just too short to make an impact on the skyline?

 

Yes. They cannot be seen amongst the other nearby buildings.

 

18 minutes ago, simplythis said:

When do you think that some pf these 5 Unidentified Towers be identified?

 

The first two will probably become public no later than this spring. Perhaps sooner.

 

16 minutes ago, simplythis said:

And  your article did not mention any of the possible things happening at CSU.

 

They may not be taller than 10 stories. There has been no planning for them yet, so I doubt anybody knows how tall they might be.

 

14 minutes ago, Pugu said:

Great article and I love the historical perspective.  Just curious, how tall are unidentified bldgs 1, 2, and 5 anticipated to be? (You indicated this for 3 & 4, but not the others.)

 

 

Thanks. My source asked me not to ID the height of #1 & #2 yet. The height of #5 is still undetermined but given the size of the potential occupants, it will be a tall building.

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And if a new justice center is built, I assume the old complex would be torn down and replaced by more aesthetically pleasing buildings.

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4 minutes ago, skiwest said:

And if a new justice center is built, I assume the old complex would be torn down and replaced by more aesthetically pleasing buildings.

I think they will use tax credits on the tower and possibly police station, but i think the jailswould be torn down.  

 

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27 minutes ago, simplythis said:

I think they will use tax credits on the tower and possibly police station, but i think the jailswould be torn down.  

 

Yeah, there’s no need to tear down the main JC tower. Would make a great residential conversion.

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I responded in the Justice Center thread....

 

 


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This is fantastic news for Cleveland!!!  Hopefully the news of all the growth/construction/development happening here continues to spread nationally and CLE is seen as the hotbed among developers/businesses. 

 

57 minutes ago, KJP said:

The first two will probably become public no later than this spring. Perhaps sooner.

That's a lot earlier then I expected, how exciting.  I can't wait to hear more news!

 

57 minutes ago, KJP said:

Thanks. My source asked me not to ID the height of #1 & #2 yet. The height of #5 is still undetermined but given the size of the potential occupants, it will be a tall building.

I'm assuming since your renderings for #1&#2 in the pic were not taller than The Lumen that the buildings will be shorter, would that be accurate?    Also, what's minimum height requirement to be considered "tall" by Ken? 😆

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3 minutes ago, NR said:

I'm assuming since your renderings for #1&#2 in the pic were not taller than The Lumen that the buildings will be shorter, would that be accurate?    Also, what's minimum height requirement to be considered "tall" by Ken? 😆

 

That's correct. And "tall" was the source's word, not mine.

 

 

1 minute ago, Eastside said:

Looks like that unidentified building in the flats will either be next to Margaritaville or on the west bank!

 

No comment. 🙂

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 I'm not sure which numbers correspond to which unidentified buildings but for the ones which appear clustered around E.9th in the picture what lots are available  in that area? The Geis tower is too far south and maybe to short to make it in the picture. So Ken, can you give us some more info into the possible sites? Thanks.

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14 minutes ago, cadmen said:

 I'm not sure which numbers correspond to which unidentified buildings but for the ones which appear clustered around E.9th in the picture what lots are available  in that area? The Geis tower is too far south and maybe to short to make it in the picture. So Ken, can you give us some more info into the possible sites? Thanks.

 

Not yet. The locations of the unidentified are intentionally ambiguous. Sorry! 🙂 

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I feel like after lumen is finished we're gonna need someone to get on a boat and retake that photo, because it's gonna be a nice cushion or a nice gap between Lumen City Club and SW. City Club may get theirs started before SW because it's not that big of a project, and they're multiple steps ahead.

 

*quit playing with your dinghy*

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19 hours ago, cadmen said:

 I'm not sure which numbers correspond to which unidentified buildings but for the ones which appear clustered around E.9th in the picture what lots are available  in that area? The Geis tower is too far south and maybe to short to make it in the picture. So Ken, can you give us some more info into the possible sites? Thanks.

There is a surface lot on Prospect at E 8th which might be a possibility as well as some surface lots near Progressive Field.  The parking garage next to St. John's Cathedral is a bit of an eyesore IMO.  I wouldn't mind seeing it replaced by something a little nicer at some point.  

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Oh no. From that link above I just realized--and confirmed on the web--that Hodges had closed. They were the restaurant space that the link above is advertising. That's really too bad---they were a really good restaurant and at times had some really good deals. That's a big loss for that part of Downtown.

 

 

 

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The best part is that these facilities are all transit-accessible. So while an Amazon warehouse job isn't the best job in the world, it is a job with some benefits and they're accessible. And there's going to be a lot more of them....

 

Wave of Northeast Ohio leasing may be growing for Amazon

 

Online retailer Amazon, as part of its drive to cement a hold on the last mile of home delivery, may be about to work another round of magic in Northeast Ohio's industrial property landscape.

 

Amazon is looking at leasing a total of more than 700,000 square feet of recently completed, 40-foot-ceilinged warehouse space in Northeast Ohio, according to three sources familiar with the situation. The sources asked not to be identified because they are not authorized to discuss individual buildings, and Amazon typically requires people working on fulfilling its real estate needs to sign nondisclosure agreements.

 

The upshot is that within a year, Amazon may be operating at 10801 Madison Ave., the nearly 170,000- square-foot building that Weston Inc. of Warrensville Heights completed last year in Cleveland; at what's now a 130,000-square-foot building in Bedford Heights plan-ned by Indianapolis-based Scannell Properties at 24700 Miles Road; and even the 400,000-square-foot building finished last year by Chicago-based Westminster Capital at 43000 Victory Parkway in Glenwillow Village.

 

https://www.crainscleveland.com/real-estate/wave-northeast-ohio-leasing-may-be-growing-amazon

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1 hour ago, MyPhoneDead said:

I'm not understanding where they are getting their numbers from. 3,385 Residents? Is this the year 2000? 

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I also wondered about that. I assume it is just Gateway neighborhood residents. 

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1 hour ago, KJP said:

The best part is that these facilities are all transit-accessible. So while an Amazon warehouse job isn't the best job in the world, it is a job with some benefits and they're accessible. And there's going to be a lot more of them....

 

Wave of Northeast Ohio leasing may be growing for Amazon

 

Online retailer Amazon, as part of its drive to cement a hold on the last mile of home delivery, may be about to work another round of magic in Northeast Ohio's industrial property landscape.

 

Amazon is looking at leasing a total of more than 700,000 square feet of recently completed, 40-foot-ceilinged warehouse space in Northeast Ohio, according to three sources familiar with the situation. The sources asked not to be identified because they are not authorized to discuss individual buildings, and Amazon typically requires people working on fulfilling its real estate needs to sign nondisclosure agreements.

 

The upshot is that within a year, Amazon may be operating at 10801 Madison Ave., the nearly 170,000- square-foot building that Weston Inc. of Warrensville Heights completed last year in Cleveland; at what's now a 130,000-square-foot building in Bedford Heights plan-ned by Indianapolis-based Scannell Properties at 24700 Miles Road; and even the 400,000-square-foot building finished last year by Chicago-based Westminster Capital at 43000 Victory Parkway in Glenwillow Village.

 

https://www.crainscleveland.com/real-estate/wave-northeast-ohio-leasing-may-be-growing-amazon

I love the fact that one of these sites is in Cleveland proper 

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13 hours ago, Pugu said:

Oh no. From that link above I just realized--and confirmed on the web--that Hodges had closed. They were the restaurant space that the link above is advertising. That's really too bad---they were a really good restaurant and at times had some really good deals. That's a big loss for that part of Downtown.

 

 

 


I think that space, especially the patio, can and should be utilized way better than it was by Hodges. My experiences there were pleasant but the menu was stale, at best. Looking forward to all of these spaces hopefully getting filled in.

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