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MONDAY, JANUARY 20, 2020

Return of the Roaring 20s: downtown Cleveland development

 

Entering the 2020s, early as next year and likely continuing for at least several more years, it's looking more likely that downtown Cleveland will have as many skyscrapers under construction simultaneously as were built in the entire decade prior. Of course, this depends on the local and national economies. It's a return of the Roaring Twenties for Cleveland.

Nearly a dozen skyscrapers are planned downtown, along with several more buildings in the 10-19 stories range, and a handful of shorter new buildings. Unfortunately, not all of them are going to happen. Even the most well-thought-out plans go awry for the craziest of unanticipated reasons. Some of these are early on in their planning but already have some meaningful financial backing.

 

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https://neo-trans.blogspot.com/2020/01/return-of-roaring-20s-downtown.html

When do you think that some pf these 5 Unidentified Towers be identified?

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Great article and I love the historical perspective.  Just curious, how tall are unidentified bldgs 1, 2, and 5 anticipated to be? (You indicated this for 3 & 4, but not the others.)

 

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22 minutes ago, West153 said:

Wow, I love it!  

 

Did you intentionally leave out the three left- most unidentified buildings on your skyline mockup?  Or are they just too short to make an impact on the skyline?

 

Yes. They cannot be seen amongst the other nearby buildings.

 

18 minutes ago, simplythis said:

When do you think that some pf these 5 Unidentified Towers be identified?

 

The first two will probably become public no later than this spring. Perhaps sooner.

 

16 minutes ago, simplythis said:

And  your article did not mention any of the possible things happening at CSU.

 

They may not be taller than 10 stories. There has been no planning for them yet, so I doubt anybody knows how tall they might be.

 

14 minutes ago, Pugu said:

Great article and I love the historical perspective.  Just curious, how tall are unidentified bldgs 1, 2, and 5 anticipated to be? (You indicated this for 3 & 4, but not the others.)

 

 

Thanks. My source asked me not to ID the height of #1 & #2 yet. The height of #5 is still undetermined but given the size of the potential occupants, it will be a tall building.

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And if a new justice center is built, I assume the old complex would be torn down and replaced by more aesthetically pleasing buildings.

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How come there is no mention of the Geis Condo Tower - Is he Unidentifioed?

We have been talking about that for quite some time.

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4 minutes ago, skiwest said:

And if a new justice center is built, I assume the old complex would be torn down and replaced by more aesthetically pleasing buildings.

I think they will use tax credits on the tower and possibly police station, but i think the jailswould be torn down.  

 

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27 minutes ago, simplythis said:

I think they will use tax credits on the tower and possibly police station, but i think the jailswould be torn down.  

 

Yeah, there’s no need to tear down the main JC tower. Would make a great residential conversion.

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I responded in the Justice Center thread....

 

 


"Nearly every problem that we have in the USA -- unaffordable health care, prison overpopulation, hyper militarization, climate change, racism, gun violence, poverty, poor education, urban sprawl and others -- cannot be positively addressed because bribery and conflicts of interest are legal under campaign finance laws which protect the uber-wealthy and the narrow self-interests who grossly benefit from our afflictions."

 

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This is fantastic news for Cleveland!!!  Hopefully the news of all the growth/construction/development happening here continues to spread nationally and CLE is seen as the hotbed among developers/businesses. 

 

57 minutes ago, KJP said:

The first two will probably become public no later than this spring. Perhaps sooner.

That's a lot earlier then I expected, how exciting.  I can't wait to hear more news!

 

57 minutes ago, KJP said:

Thanks. My source asked me not to ID the height of #1 & #2 yet. The height of #5 is still undetermined but given the size of the potential occupants, it will be a tall building.

I'm assuming since your renderings for #1&#2 in the pic were not taller than The Lumen that the buildings will be shorter, would that be accurate?    Also, what's minimum height requirement to be considered "tall" by Ken? 😆

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3 minutes ago, NR said:

I'm assuming since your renderings for #1&#2 in the pic were not taller than The Lumen that the buildings will be shorter, would that be accurate?    Also, what's minimum height requirement to be considered "tall" by Ken? 😆

 

That's correct. And "tall" was the source's word, not mine.

 

 

1 minute ago, Eastside said:

Looks like that unidentified building in the flats will either be next to Margaritaville or on the west bank!

 

No comment. 🙂

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 I'm not sure which numbers correspond to which unidentified buildings but for the ones which appear clustered around E.9th in the picture what lots are available  in that area? The Geis tower is too far south and maybe to short to make it in the picture. So Ken, can you give us some more info into the possible sites? Thanks.

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14 minutes ago, cadmen said:

 I'm not sure which numbers correspond to which unidentified buildings but for the ones which appear clustered around E.9th in the picture what lots are available  in that area? The Geis tower is too far south and maybe to short to make it in the picture. So Ken, can you give us some more info into the possible sites? Thanks.

 

Not yet. The locations of the unidentified are intentionally ambiguous. Sorry! 🙂 

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I feel like after lumen is finished we're gonna need someone to get on a boat and retake that photo, because it's gonna be a nice cushion or a nice gap between Lumen City Club and SW. City Club may get theirs started before SW because it's not that big of a project, and they're multiple steps ahead.

 

*quit playing with your dinghy*

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19 hours ago, cadmen said:

 I'm not sure which numbers correspond to which unidentified buildings but for the ones which appear clustered around E.9th in the picture what lots are available  in that area? The Geis tower is too far south and maybe to short to make it in the picture. So Ken, can you give us some more info into the possible sites? Thanks.

There is a surface lot on Prospect at E 8th which might be a possibility as well as some surface lots near Progressive Field.  The parking garage next to St. John's Cathedral is a bit of an eyesore IMO.  I wouldn't mind seeing it replaced by something a little nicer at some point.  

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Oh no. From that link above I just realized--and confirmed on the web--that Hodges had closed. They were the restaurant space that the link above is advertising. That's really too bad---they were a really good restaurant and at times had some really good deals. That's a big loss for that part of Downtown.

 

 

 

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The best part is that these facilities are all transit-accessible. So while an Amazon warehouse job isn't the best job in the world, it is a job with some benefits and they're accessible. And there's going to be a lot more of them....

 

Wave of Northeast Ohio leasing may be growing for Amazon

 

Online retailer Amazon, as part of its drive to cement a hold on the last mile of home delivery, may be about to work another round of magic in Northeast Ohio's industrial property landscape.

 

Amazon is looking at leasing a total of more than 700,000 square feet of recently completed, 40-foot-ceilinged warehouse space in Northeast Ohio, according to three sources familiar with the situation. The sources asked not to be identified because they are not authorized to discuss individual buildings, and Amazon typically requires people working on fulfilling its real estate needs to sign nondisclosure agreements.

 

The upshot is that within a year, Amazon may be operating at 10801 Madison Ave., the nearly 170,000- square-foot building that Weston Inc. of Warrensville Heights completed last year in Cleveland; at what's now a 130,000-square-foot building in Bedford Heights plan-ned by Indianapolis-based Scannell Properties at 24700 Miles Road; and even the 400,000-square-foot building finished last year by Chicago-based Westminster Capital at 43000 Victory Parkway in Glenwillow Village.

 

https://www.crainscleveland.com/real-estate/wave-northeast-ohio-leasing-may-be-growing-amazon

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1 hour ago, MyPhoneDead said:

I'm not understanding where they are getting their numbers from. 3,385 Residents? Is this the year 2000? 

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I also wondered about that. I assume it is just Gateway neighborhood residents. 

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1 hour ago, KJP said:

The best part is that these facilities are all transit-accessible. So while an Amazon warehouse job isn't the best job in the world, it is a job with some benefits and they're accessible. And there's going to be a lot more of them....

 

Wave of Northeast Ohio leasing may be growing for Amazon

 

Online retailer Amazon, as part of its drive to cement a hold on the last mile of home delivery, may be about to work another round of magic in Northeast Ohio's industrial property landscape.

 

Amazon is looking at leasing a total of more than 700,000 square feet of recently completed, 40-foot-ceilinged warehouse space in Northeast Ohio, according to three sources familiar with the situation. The sources asked not to be identified because they are not authorized to discuss individual buildings, and Amazon typically requires people working on fulfilling its real estate needs to sign nondisclosure agreements.

 

The upshot is that within a year, Amazon may be operating at 10801 Madison Ave., the nearly 170,000- square-foot building that Weston Inc. of Warrensville Heights completed last year in Cleveland; at what's now a 130,000-square-foot building in Bedford Heights plan-ned by Indianapolis-based Scannell Properties at 24700 Miles Road; and even the 400,000-square-foot building finished last year by Chicago-based Westminster Capital at 43000 Victory Parkway in Glenwillow Village.

 

https://www.crainscleveland.com/real-estate/wave-northeast-ohio-leasing-may-be-growing-amazon

I love the fact that one of these sites is in Cleveland proper 

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13 hours ago, Pugu said:

Oh no. From that link above I just realized--and confirmed on the web--that Hodges had closed. They were the restaurant space that the link above is advertising. That's really too bad---they were a really good restaurant and at times had some really good deals. That's a big loss for that part of Downtown.

 

 

 


I think that space, especially the patio, can and should be utilized way better than it was by Hodges. My experiences there were pleasant but the menu was stale, at best. Looking forward to all of these spaces hopefully getting filled in.

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10 minutes ago, marty15 said:

That would mean Wyse is moving, or going out of business.

i always thought that Wyse was a terrible use if that space. hopefully, they've moved to another downtown location.

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^Agreed. They’d be better off somewhere else. @marty15 highly unlikely they’re going out of business, or even leaving the area as they’re are, by Cleveland standards, a pretty sizable agency whose work with a lot of the brands here in town. 

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3 hours ago, KJP said:

The best part is that these facilities are all transit-accessible. So while an Amazon warehouse job isn't the best job in the world, it is a job with some benefits and they're accessible. And there's going to be a lot more of them....

 

Wave of Northeast Ohio leasing may be growing for Amazon

 

Online retailer Amazon, as part of its drive to cement a hold on the last mile of home delivery, may be about to work another round of magic in Northeast Ohio's industrial property landscape.

 

Amazon is looking at leasing a total of more than 700,000 square feet of recently completed, 40-foot-ceilinged warehouse space in Northeast Ohio, according to three sources familiar with the situation. The sources asked not to be identified because they are not authorized to discuss individual buildings, and Amazon typically requires people working on fulfilling its real estate needs to sign nondisclosure agreements.

 

The upshot is that within a year, Amazon may be operating at 10801 Madison Ave., the nearly 170,000- square-foot building that Weston Inc. of Warrensville Heights completed last year in Cleveland; at what's now a 130,000-square-foot building in Bedford Heights plan-ned by Indianapolis-based Scannell Properties at 24700 Miles Road; and even the 400,000-square-foot building finished last year by Chicago-based Westminster Capital at 43000 Victory Parkway in Glenwillow Village.

 

https://www.crainscleveland.com/real-estate/wave-northeast-ohio-leasing-may-be-growing-amazon

Any idea of how many jobs we might see on Madison? 

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1 hour ago, freefourur said:

Any idea of how many jobs we might see on Madison? 

 

Here's an unprecise way of estimating it....

 

Euclid fulfillment center has 650,000 sf and 2,000 jobs (325 sf/job)

North Randall fulfillment center has 855,000 sf and 2,000 jobs (428 sf/job)

Twinsburg sorting center has 248,000 sf and 300 jobs (827 sf/job although most are P/T jobs)

 

So it's possible that Amazon's employment at the Midland site at West 110th and Berea Road could range from 200 to 500 jobs.

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2 hours ago, roman totale XVII said:

^Agreed. They’d be better off somewhere else. @marty15 highly unlikely they’re going out of business, or even leaving the area as they’re are, by Cleveland standards, a pretty sizable agency whose work with a lot of the brands here in town. 

 

https://www.cleveland.com/business/2019/10/clevelands-wyse-ad-agency-acquired-by-falls-marketing-firm.html

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Re Amazon:

 

I never did an accounting before of what they have in Cleveland. But:

 

Euclid 

North Randall 

Twinsburg 

Bedford Heights

Glenwillow Village

 

only east side locations?  did they just figure this out and hence they are looking at 108th and Madison?

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That's a residential redevelopment with a restaurant going into the ground floor.  It's been discussed on here somewhere.

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That is in the Superior Arts District. Thus, look in the Superior Arts District thread...


"Nearly every problem that we have in the USA -- unaffordable health care, prison overpopulation, hyper militarization, climate change, racism, gun violence, poverty, poor education, urban sprawl and others -- cannot be positively addressed because bribery and conflicts of interest are legal under campaign finance laws which protect the uber-wealthy and the narrow self-interests who grossly benefit from our afflictions."

 

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Taking a cue from the news/photo about the geotech rig at West 25th and Detroit posted in the Ohio City thread, this is what's below Cleveland....

 

EDIT: here's a blow-up of the picture so you don't have to go on Twitter.... (oh well, you still have to click on the picture to blow it up to read the text)

 

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thanks for the drilling info. But that wouldn't be whats at W 25 & Detroit.  That area is original Cleveland. The land the science center is not -- that's why there is 30 feet of fill.

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Look below the fill....

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"Nearly every problem that we have in the USA -- unaffordable health care, prison overpopulation, hyper militarization, climate change, racism, gun violence, poverty, poor education, urban sprawl and others -- cannot be positively addressed because bribery and conflicts of interest are legal under campaign finance laws which protect the uber-wealthy and the narrow self-interests who grossly benefit from our afflictions."

 

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Also on the drilling topic--I've seen a crew working over on the South Marginal, all the way out by E 40th.   Not sure what that would be.  

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On 1/26/2020 at 5:36 PM, KJP said:

 

Here's an unprecise way of estimating it....

 

Euclid fulfillment center has 650,000 sf and 2,000 jobs (325 sf/job)

North Randall fulfillment center has 855,000 sf and 2,000 jobs (428 sf/job)

Twinsburg sorting center has 248,000 sf and 300 jobs (827 sf/job although most are P/T jobs)

 

So it's possible that Amazon's employment at the Midland site at West 110th and Berea Road could range from 200 to 500 jobs.

 

Not that it adds a significant number of jobs to the total, but Euclid actually has two Amazon facilities. There is a FLEX operation on Bluestone and it employs roughly 50 people (just a wild guess from what I've physically seen there since it opened almost three years ago). I imagine whatever number of jobs are at that location might be the same number as at the FLEX location in Twinsburg. Euclid serves almost all of Northeast Ohio. From Ashtabula to Lorain and as far south as Akron. Twinsburg is a smaller operation delivering mainly around the I-80 corridor. There is also FLEX center in Canton which also delivers Amazon Fresh (currently the only on in NE doing so). 

 

Since these new locations are, according to the Crain's article, smaller than the main distribution centers, My guess is that they will take some of the stress from the Euclid location for delivery to points west and will solidify the introduction of Amazon  Fresh and Amazon Restaurant Delivery (maybe) to the Cleveland and surrounding areas. 

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Landfill odor, probably 


"Nearly every problem that we have in the USA -- unaffordable health care, prison overpopulation, hyper militarization, climate change, racism, gun violence, poverty, poor education, urban sprawl and others -- cannot be positively addressed because bribery and conflicts of interest are legal under campaign finance laws which protect the uber-wealthy and the narrow self-interests who grossly benefit from our afflictions."

 

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15 hours ago, musky said:

 

Not that it adds a significant number of jobs to the total, but Euclid actually has two Amazon facilities. There is a FLEX operation on Bluestone and it employs roughly 50 people (just a wild guess from what I've physically seen there since it opened almost three years ago). I imagine whatever number of jobs are at that location might be the same number as at the FLEX location in Twinsburg. Euclid serves almost all of Northeast Ohio. From Ashtabula to Lorain and as far south as Akron. Twinsburg is a smaller operation delivering mainly around the I-80 corridor. There is also FLEX center in Canton which also delivers Amazon Fresh (currently the only on in NE doing so). 

 

Since these new locations are, according to the Crain's article, smaller than the main distribution centers, My guess is that they will take some of the stress from the Euclid location for delivery to points west and will solidify the introduction of Amazon  Fresh and Amazon Restaurant Delivery (maybe) to the Cleveland and surrounding areas. 

 

There may also be a flex operation on the Macedonia/Oakwood border on Oakleaf, paralelling the 271-480 split.  I've seen gatherings of Prime vans there.

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I saw this transfer earlier today and I'm trying to find out who the buyer is too. No luck so far....

 

 

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Good news provided this won’t negatively impact my beloved haunt, Moriarty’s 😨☘️

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