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42 minutes ago, freefourur said:

Isn't that City Club apartments.  But I thought you said there was another project coming coon on Euclid. 

 

Yes, there is. 🙂 

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22 minutes ago, KJP said:

 

Yes, there is. 🙂 

I feel like the only thing left to be developed is the Centennial. Unless it's new construction? 🙂

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The Centennial is getting close, I think. Finishing up capital stack. I thought KJP was referring to new construction though. 

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There was some talk about putting a cap over the innerbelt several year ago, but I haven't heard anything about that recently.

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1 minute ago, freefourur said:

The Centennial is getting close, I think. Finishing up capital stack. I thought KJP was referring to new construction though. 

 

Nope. You got it. 🙂  

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^ We all sometimes complain about slow progress and lack of cranes but the sheer amount of renovation of vacant/ underused buildings has been yuuuuge.  Lower Euclid was rather deserted a little over a decade ago.  I remember prior to the streetscape/BRT rebuild on Euclid and looked dire. 

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I remember being downtown for a very warm and windy New Years Eve 2007. Euclid Avenue was dark and empty, and the dust being whipped up from the Euclid Corridor construction work made it look like something out of an Old West ghost town, albeit with bigger buildings. 

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1 hour ago, KJP said:

 

No. There's a project that we've known about that's going to start work in a month or less. I thought the project was in trouble in late-2019. But with the money that's pouring into this city, it's going to move forward.

If there is another project then that is GREAT news.  When will this be announced

so everybody knows.

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Just now, simplythis said:

If there is another project then that is GREAT news.  When will this be announced

so everybody knows.

 

In a month or less.  I already ID'd the project, above.

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Not that I've heard 


"Nearly every problem that we have in the USA -- unaffordable health care, prison overpopulation, hyper militarization, climate change, racism, gun violence, poverty, poor education, urban sprawl and others -- cannot be positively addressed because bribery and conflicts of interest are legal under campaign finance laws which protect the uber-wealthy and the narrow self-interests who grossly benefit from our afflictions."

 

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If you think that's the cherry on top, Swagelock is definitely not moving HQ to Cleveland very soon.

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2 minutes ago, tastybunns said:

If you think that's the cherry on top, Swagelock is moving HQ to Cleveland very soon.

 

Swagelok just started construction on their new headquarters in Solon a couple months ago. Maybe you're confusing them with a different company?

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I have a family member that is a city employee who says they're packing up shop and leaving for Cleveland. I may be blanking out, are they really in progress with the build?

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8 minutes ago, tastybunns said:

I have a family member that is a city employee who says they're packing up shop and leaving for Cleveland. I may be blanking out, are they really in progress with the build?

Yes it is under construction and will be a huge addition to their current very large facility in Solon.

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2 hours ago, tj111 said:

Is that just an easy pun or a working name for the project?

 

A cute/lazy title of my own creation. 

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I could see that pit getting new construction to go along with the Landmark redevelopment. Whoever purchases it will want to max out the space. 

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There's just so many cool ideas/projects brewing out there. I hope at least half of them come to pass. If they do, this is truly going to be the Roaring 20s for Cleveland.

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11 hours ago, KJP said:

There's just so many cool ideas/projects brewing out there. I hope at least half of them come to pass. If they do, this is truly going to be the Roaring 20s for Cleveland.

When will we hear about the Unidentified Euclid Ave project.

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7 minutes ago, simplythis said:

When will we hear about the Unidentified Euclid Ave project.

 

Not unidentified. Others correctly guessed it is The Centennial and I acknowledged it. When will we hear? Tick, tick, tick... 


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3 minutes ago, KJP said:

 

Not unidentified. Others correctly guessed it is The Centennial and I acknowledged it. When will we hear? Tick, tick, tick... 

But the was mention of 2 euclid ave projects. Something Ongoing ( Centennial ) and something new.

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The Lumen 2 is proposed a block north of Euclid and the Geis project is a block south of Euclid. Those are the only two I know of that are "Euclid vicinity." There was a rumor that the Union Club was going to develop something on the lot next to its building but I haven't heard it from more than one source and I don't trust that source.

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4 hours ago, tastybunns said:

Centennial is the high ranking fortune 500 right?

Centennial is the conversion of 925 Euclid to a mixed use building. Nothing about a fortune 500.

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Mmmm, well in that case I'm still wondering if we still have that 'whale' fortune 500 company @KJP has been teasing us about. Really hoping for Cleveland Cliffs.

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Huh? 


"Nearly every problem that we have in the USA -- unaffordable health care, prison overpopulation, hyper militarization, climate change, racism, gun violence, poverty, poor education, urban sprawl and others -- cannot be positively addressed because bribery and conflicts of interest are legal under campaign finance laws which protect the uber-wealthy and the narrow self-interests who grossly benefit from our afflictions."

 

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I think tastybunns is referring to a reference you made to something "bigger than Progressive" coming to downtown or something similar.  Was that the Centennial?

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@KJP -- Your words are very powerful indeed. You could start a cult and have millions of followers. And you could be a very rich man!

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20 minutes ago, Potamus said:

I think tastybunns is referring to a reference you made to something "bigger than Progressive" coming to downtown or something similar.  Was that the Centennial?

It's not the Centennial, and it's not coming to downtown.

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2 hours ago, tykaps said:

It's not the Centennial, and it's not coming to downtown.


And I don’t think @KJP ever actually said it was a company. He simply stated it was bigger than Progressive. Might it also be a large development, series of companies, or other type of entity that requires a lot of space?

 

All that said, I’m still guessing Siemens North America until told otherwise 🤷🏻‍♂️

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9 hours ago, tykaps said:

It's not the Centennial, and it's not coming to downtown.

 

Correct 

 

 

9 hours ago, Pugu said:

@KJP -- Your words are very powerful indeed. You could start a cult and have millions of followers. And you could be a very rich man!

 

Gross

 

 

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They've put up banners of upcoming major events on the Lorain Carnegie bridge and it got me thinking about cranes and downtown progress being shown on national TV. Browsing around the forum, here's a quick take by year and event (I'm assuming some of my development dates are off, but y'all get the idea):

  • 2021 - NFL Draft - S-W could have some cranes up, possibly City Club Apartments crane, doubtful, but NuCLEus?, East Bank Should be Built Out-ish 
  • 2022 - NBA All Star Game - Geis Tower (?), Lumen Phase II, CityBlock (or whatever it is at this point) 
  • 2024 - NCAA Women's Final Four - who knows what @KJP has up his sleeve...Thunderbird?

 

I guess all in all, if even half of the things percolating on here come to fruition, it's going to be awesome for Cleveland in the national spotlight.

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13 minutes ago, GISguy said:

They've put up banners of upcoming major events on the Lorain Carnegie bridge and it got me thinking about cranes and downtown progress being shown on national TV. Browsing around the forum, here's a quick take by year and event (I'm assuming some of my development dates are off, but y'all get the idea):

  • 2021 - NFL Draft - S-W could have some cranes up, possibly City Club Apartments crane, doubtful, but NuCLEus?, East Bank Should be Built Out-ish 
  • 2022 - NBA All Star Game - Geis Tower (?), Lumen Phase II, CityBlock (or whatever it is at this point) 
  • 2024 - NCAA Women's Final Four - who knows what @KJP has up his sleeve...Thunderbird?

 

I guess all in all, if even half of the things percolating on here come to fruition, it's going to be awesome for Cleveland in the national spotlight.

The NCAA has an event this yea, the mens March Madness tournaments is hosting the 1st and 2nd rounds.

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I don't expect SHW to have cranes up until mid- to late-2021. City Club could have a crane by then. So might 2-4 others. 

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Harbor Bay in Ohio City would underway by 2021-22-23, no? How tall does a bldg have to be to require a tower crane?

 

Also Lumen Act II and One Univ Circle Part 2 (1UCP2).

 

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9 minutes ago, Pugu said:

Harbor Bay in Ohio City would underway by 2021-22-23, no? How tall does a bldg have to be to require a tower crane?

 

Also Lumen Act II and One Univ Circle Part 2 (1UCP2).

 

 

Harbor Bay will be underway in two months. It will have two cranes, although not until later this summer.

 

Don't expect a 1UCP2. Basically, that's what the new First Interstate development on Larchmere is. But the Library Lofts, whenever CPL gets off its butt with the new MLK branch, will require a crane.

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3 hours ago, GISguy said:

They've put up banners of upcoming major events on the Lorain Carnegie bridge and it got me thinking about cranes and downtown progress being shown on national TV. Browsing around the forum, here's a quick take by year and event (I'm assuming some of my development dates are off, but y'all get the idea):

 

  • 2024 - NCAA Women's Final Four - who knows what @KJP has up his sleeve...Thunderbird?

Maybe a couple cranes at the airport constructing a new terminal by then?
 

2 hours ago, KJP said:

I don't expect SHW to have cranes up until mid- to late-2021. City Club could have a crane by then. So might 2-4 others. 

2-4 others!?  👀 that’s exciting to think about.  Here’s hoping the Weston-Jacobs sites are fenced in with heavy earth moving equipment inside by the NFL Draft.  Those bare patches have had their fair share of the limelight, time for something new.

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I guess the good, but also sad, news is that almost every major city in the country has CBD parking lot blight; the only exceptions being Manhattan, DC, Boston and SFO.

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8 hours ago, KJP said:

 

Harbor Bay will be underway in two months. It will have two cranes, although not until later this summer.

 

Don't expect a 1UCP2. Basically, that's what the new First Interstate development on Larchmere is. But the Library Lofts, whenever CPL gets off its butt with the new MLK branch, will require a crane.

The comment about no One University Circle part 2 stinks but is good at the same time due to a development going up somewhere close. That corner of Euclid and Stokes could bring energy to a relatively dead section of Euclid, pedestrian wise. Outside of high school students it's pretty slow.

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5 hours ago, Frmr CLEder said:

I guess the good, but also sad, news is that almost every major city in the country has CBD parking lot blight; the only exceptions being Manhattan, DC, Boston and SFO.

True but from what I understand the Pittsburgh CBD has done a pretty good job of eliminating a lot of their excessive parking lots by greatly increasing the taxes on the parking lots to the point of making it more profitable to develop them instead of leaving them as eyesores aka parking lots.

 

https://www.pghcitypaper.com/pittsburgh/why-is-parking-so-expensive-in-pittsburgh/Content?oid=1334401

Pittsburgh's 50 percent parking tax is "the highest rate in the nation,"

 

https://www.pghcitypaper.com/pittsburgh/how-many-parking-spots-does-the-new-penn-plaza-development-really-need/Content%3Foid%3D13492204%26media%3DAMP%2BHTML&ved=0ahUKEwiQ1ryy44nnAhWvT98KHfh3BIsQyM8BCDAwAg&usg=AOvVaw2-rtjJYeMmkb45toe7au30&ampcf=1

 

https://streets.mn/2012/12/10/tax-land-not-buildings/&ved=2ahUKEwjkj8mp54nnAhXxqFkKHZSrAR8QFjAZegQIWhAB&usg=AOvVaw2qOrHugAgAldLc4P3Ez_-v

The conventional property tax, which taxes land and buildings at the same rate, is essentially backwards when it comes to the behaviors it incentivizes. It penalizes property owners for building or making improvements to their structures, while rewarding speculators and absentee landlords who would rather allow their properties to decay than make expensive (and annually taxable) improvements. Taxing land and buildings at the same rate means that as long as you don’t put any buildings on your land, your tax bill is going to remain relatively cheap. 

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52 minutes ago, Larry1962 said:

True but from what I understand the Pittsburgh CBD has done a pretty good job of eliminating a lot of their excessive parking lots by greatly increasing the taxes on the parking lots to the point of making it more profitable to develop them instead of leaving them as eyesores aka parking lots.

They had land value taxes in PA until recently if I'm not mistaken. 

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MONDAY, JANUARY 20, 2020

Return of the Roaring 20s: downtown Cleveland development

 

Entering the 2020s, early as next year and likely continuing for at least several more years, it's looking more likely that downtown Cleveland will have as many skyscrapers under construction simultaneously as were built in the entire decade prior. Of course, this depends on the local and national economies. It's a return of the Roaring Twenties for Cleveland.

Nearly a dozen skyscrapers are planned downtown, along with several more buildings in the 10-19 stories range, and a handful of shorter new buildings. Unfortunately, not all of them are going to happen. Even the most well-thought-out plans go awry for the craziest of unanticipated reasons. Some of these are early on in their planning but already have some meaningful financial backing.

 

MORE

https://neo-trans.blogspot.com/2020/01/return-of-roaring-20s-downtown.html

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Wow, I love it!  

 

Did you intentionally leave out the three left- most unidentified buildings on your skyline mockup?  Or are they just too short to make an impact on the skyline?

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