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On 8/3/2019 at 2:42 PM, mack34 said:

I agree with everything youre saying above....except for the K&D hate.....I just havent experienced bad service or management.  They do a fantastic job at the Halle building

The general trend with K&D is they give a lot of love to their newest properties and neglect their older ones. Ask Reserve Square/668 residents and you might get a different opinion. I tried to get an apartment at 668 five years ago and the leasing office was incompetent, didn't return calls, wasn't at the desk half the time, etc.

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Years of development news and investigating Italian mafias in Cleveland, has he finally gone insane!?!

 

on Westinghouse Redevelopment:

35 minutes ago, KJP said:

Sniffles....😭

 

on City Club Apartments:

37 minutes ago, KJP said:

Yay! 😎

 

WHAT COULD THIS MEAN!?!

 

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LOL!


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On 7/31/2019 at 10:49 PM, Boomerang_Brian said:

 

Obviously financing is the main factor, but I’m with you on your frustrations on the Waterfront Line.  How infuriating is it to hear both Wolstein and FEB visitors complaining about traffic in and out of the Flats while simultaneously getting proposals from RTA that involve eliminating Waterfront Line service? It’s just mind numbing. Run frequent WL service to the Muni lots (and Tower City) Thurs-Sat evenings. Promote the hell out of it. Flats traffic problem solved. 

 

Agreed.  Friday and Saturday evenings--especially during the summer?  Seems to me that would be peak time for service.

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11 minutes ago, PaxtonMarley said:

 

Agreed.  Friday and Saturday evenings--especially during the summer?  Seems to me that would be peak time for service.

 

What happened to the Cleveland corporate community?   Progressive should be sponsoring this as a way to encourage not driving after partying in the flats.   

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19 minutes ago, Cleburger said:

 

What happened to the Cleveland corporate community?   Progressive should be sponsoring this as a way to encourage not driving after partying in the flats.   

 

They won't contribute if they aren't asked.

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Try the transportation section......


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AWESOME!!!!!!!!!! About damn time!!

 

http://planning.city.cleveland.oh.us/designreview/brd/detailDR.php?ID=3290&CASE=DF 2019-065

 

DOWNTOWN PLAYGROUND

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Project Information

Downtown/Flats Case #  DF 2019-065

Address:Great Lakes Science Center

Company:Downtown Cleveland Alliance

Architect:NA

Description:

The proposed construction of a new playground on vacant land.

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3 hours ago, KJP said:

AWESOME!!!!!!!!!! About damn time!!

 

http://planning.city.cleveland.oh.us/designreview/brd/detailDR.php?ID=3290&CASE=DF 2019-065

 

DOWNTOWN PLAYGROUND

 Return to Case List | Start Over | Print Report (PDF format)

Project Information

Downtown/Flats Case #  DF 2019-065

Address:Great Lakes Science Center

Company:Downtown Cleveland Alliance

Architect:NA

Description:

The proposed construction of a new playground on vacant land.

 

What an odd place for it--completely disconnected from downtown residents and clearly designed for suburban weekend visitors.  But, it's a start....

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Curious @KJP if you're thinking about taking up a protégé who will take your place on this forum after you ascend into urban heaven, where not a single surface lot can be found downtown and the skyline stretches from as far west as Westlake to as far east as Mayfield Heights 😋

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^ True. My kids would already be exhausted by the time we walked there! 

Maybe they could add a surface lot, so people can drive to it 😅

I agree though - it is a good start. 


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7 minutes ago, Stormtrek said:

Curious @KJP if you're thinking about taking up a protégé who will take your place on this forum after you ascend into urban heaven, where not a single surface lot can be found downtown and the skyline stretches from as far west as Westlake to as far east as Mayfield Heights 😋

 

Don't worry. I'm not planning on moving to Copenhagen anytime soon.

 

And I want someone to take my place someday, not for me to hand it to them. But first you have to be partially retired, have lots of free time, or just nothing better to do. 🙂

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21 hours ago, Cleburger said:

 

What an odd place for it--completely disconnected from downtown residents and clearly designed for suburban weekend visitors.  But, it's a start....

 

Thats what I said on DCA’s Facebook. I was told there was supposed to be a second one, but I guess that’s not coming to fruition now. 

 

 

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On 8/9/2019 at 3:44 PM, gg707 said:

Maybe they could just turn the Galleria into a giant indoor playground (only half kidding)

honestly this is not a bad idea. maybe not the whole thing, but it would be a great location for a year-round playground.

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I'm definitely a proponent.  I used to live in Lakewood and commuted to CCF. How's the West Shoreway conversion project going? Is it achieving its objectives? Has it opened up the lakefront?

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1 hour ago, Frmr CLEder said:

I'm definitely a proponent.  I used to live in Lakewood and commuted to CCF. How's the West Shoreway conversion project going? Is it achieving its objectives? Has it opened up the lakefront?

 

The West Shoreway project has definitely made an impact, but I would stop short of calling it "opening up the lakefront."    It's still a "lite freeway" with a 35 mph speed limit that is mostly ignored.  On weekends and busy nights at Edgewater the traffic backs up for miles getting in and out of there.   

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1 hour ago, Frmr CLEder said:

I'm definitely a proponent.  I used to live in Lakewood and commuted to CCF. How's the West Shoreway conversion project going? Is it achieving its objectives? Has it opened up the lakefront?

 

@Frmr CLEder  I responded here........

 

 


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Here's an article to read just in case you haven't already read my NEOtrans blog. 😉 To his credit, Stan has more details in this three-subject article....

 

https://www.crainscleveland.com/stan-bullard-blog/westinghouse-remake-stalls

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The issues they have with reuse of the smaller building complex (Westinghouse) could be solved by simply demolishing them, EXCEPT for the facades. Those facades have loads of bricked in windows that’d make great balconies if you stepped back 10 feet and constructed a building behind them. You could also incorporate an inner courtyard/public space that way.  That’s my fix anyhow. They have a pretty limited use in their current form. 

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13 hours ago, KJP said:

This is great- we need more traffic jams to get people out of their Single Occupancy Vehicles and into public transit. Our legislature will probably just build more highway/widen roads though 🙄

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Just now, GISguy said:

This is great- we need more traffic jams to get people out of their Single Occupancy Vehicles and into public transit. Our legislature will probably just build more highway/widen roads though 🙄

 

What's mind-numbing is that larger cities don't block off lanes and sidewalks to build big buildings. What secret sauce have they discovered that eludes Cleveland?

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6 minutes ago, KJP said:

 

What's mind-numbing is that larger cities don't block off lanes and sidewalks to build big buildings. What secret sauce have they discovered that eludes Cleveland?

 

That's an interesting question.  When I was living in D.C., there were many scaffolding-covered sidewalks.  When big crane lifts were needed, contractors would wait until Saturday and block off the whole street.  It was a PITA on weekends, but it was a logical solution.

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8 minutes ago, KJP said:

 

What's mind-numbing is that larger cities don't block off lanes and sidewalks to build big buildings. What secret sauce have they discovered that eludes Cleveland?

Totally, didn't mean to glance over that point. It was nice when JHB actually had a sidewalk lane going on, same with Athalon (albiet it took a year). I don't understand why it isn't written into city code or something, for instance, I was amazed at the pedestrian lanes on N High St. last year - arguably one of Columbus' busiest streets, and while it created traffic, it kept peds safe.

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12 minutes ago, KJP said:

 

What's mind-numbing is that larger cities don't block off lanes and sidewalks to build big buildings. What secret sauce have they discovered that eludes Cleveland?

 

My guess is the contractors know the City is going to say yes when they ask...so they do.

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Just got back from NYC last week.....With all the massive amounts of construction on 1000' buildings, no lanes are closed and all sidewalks are open.  

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Usually its up to city code, OSHA, and company policy. It's safer for the workers that way, and if there's a dropped object nobody just walking down the street is in peril

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10 hours ago, GISguy said:

This is great- we need more traffic jams to get people out of their Single Occupancy Vehicles and into public transit. Our legislature will probably just build more highway/widen roads though 🙄

 

Yep, because that's what the people paying the bills (taxes)  want.   

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37 minutes ago, E Rocc said:

 

Yep, because that's what the people paying the bills (taxes)  want.   

Theres nothing wrong with encouraging mass transit and other alternative transportation options. Frankly, if you're commuting in from Chardon, Avon, or Bainbridge, residents of Cuyahoga ARE paying the bills around the city. This will probably be deleted along with most of this thread, but I'm going go disagree with you on this one 

https://www.planetizen.com/blogs/105877-war-cars-bad-joke

 

Edit: not to mention most bicyclists are car owners and gas taxes only pay for a fraction of infrastructure projects.

 

Edit2: What major us cities dont have traffic? Our rush hour is a joke and same with traffic on our major corridors. There's absolutely no reason why 271 needs to be widened, or 480 expanded. We need a better transit system that can supplant cars, not more lanes that do nothing for traffic or make things faster.

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Cleveland was one of the first major cities to build a mass transit system; before BART in SFO, before MARTA in ATL, etc.  It remains one of NEOs greatest assets. Unfortunately, the city, county and state never had (and still don't) the foresight to see the value that a reliable mass transit system could mean for regional development.

 

The street car tracks that were on every major thoroughfare in the city were removed.

The trackless trolleys that supplanted them were removed.

 

Today they rave about BRT, when they had it and got rid of it!

Replacement costs are now prohibitive and leadership doesn't have the guts nor resources to move anything forward. What a shame?

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This is the kind of industrial development that is in demand -- "high cube" (buildings with overhead clearances of 30+ feet and few if any columns). There are very few buildings like this in the city of Cleveland, and few singular, fee-simple parcels large enough to accommodate their construction...

 

Developers ramp up action in industrial realty

https://www.crainscleveland.com/real-estate/developers-ramp-action-industrial-realty

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On 8/23/2019 at 7:23 PM, E Rocc said:

 

Yep, because that's what the people paying the bills (taxes)  want.   

Yes, because cities and the people who live in them in Ohio are absolutely fairly represented in the state and national legislatures. And the representatives are never swayed by lobbyists and special corporate interests. I agree it’s a perfect system and nobody ever wants to ride the subway.

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22 hours ago, Frmr CLEder said:

Cleveland was one of the first major cities to build a mass transit system; before BART in SFO, before MARTA in ATL, etc.  It remains one of NEOs greatest assets. Unfortunately, the city, county and state never had (and still don't) the foresight to see the value that a reliable mass transit system could mean for regional development.

 

The street car tracks that were on every major thoroughfare in the city were removed.

The trackless trolleys that supplanted them were removed.

 

Today they rave about BRT, when they had it and got rid of it!

Replacement costs are now prohibitive and leadership doesn't have the guts nor resources to move anything forward. What a shame?

Today, Cleveland is being surpassed by almost every other major city in the development of urban mass transit (San Diego, DC, Portland, Houston, Pittsburgh, Detroit, Cincinnati; even believe it or not, LA; the city that allowed GM to buy the rights to light rail to Santa Monica so that they could shut it down)

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13 hours ago, KJP said:

 

YESYESYES!!!!!   That stretch from Lake to 85th has so much potential. This will be an incredible addition to the neighborhood.

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I went to a meeting moderated by the Green Building Coalition today and @KJP's name came up with his All Aboard Ohio work (praise for some sort of plan you've proposed). They were talking about landbridge vs. footbridge. Is there a discussion thread about this? I admit I am brand new to this group, issue, the architect panelists, etc so I apologize if this is old hat.

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16 minutes ago, rockandroller said:

I went to a meeting moderated by the Green Building Coalition today and @KJP's name came up with his All Aboard Ohio work (praise for some sort of plan you've proposed). They were talking about landbridge vs. footbridge. Is there a discussion thread about this? I admit I am brand new to this group, issue, the architect panelists, etc so I apologize if this is old hat.

 

Interesting. I wonder which plan??


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21 minutes ago, rockandroller said:

I went to a meeting moderated by the Green Building Coalition today and @KJP's name came up with his All Aboard Ohio work (praise for some sort of plan you've proposed). They were talking about landbridge vs. footbridge. Is there a discussion thread about this? I admit I am brand new to this group, issue, the architect panelists, etc so I apologize if this is old hat.

 

Hi @rockandroller!  Discussion of the bridge to the lakefront has been happening in our general lakefront thread: 

 

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14 hours ago, KJP said:

 

 

Anyone know the architects for the Walz Branch on Detroit? 

 

Bialosky Cleveland and Robert P. Madison Architects — Walz Branch (new building).

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4 hours ago, Cleburger said:

 

Anyone know the architects for the Walz Branch on Detroit? 

 

Bialosky Cleveland and Robert P. Madison Architects — Walz Branch (new building).

With 2 firms involved, I hope is meaning they’re gonna go for the larger 80 unit building. That could be pretty sizable if they just go up in its current footprint. Really excited about this.

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2 hours ago, marty15 said:

With 2 firms involved, I hope is meaning they’re gonna go for the larger 80 unit building. That could be pretty sizable if they just go up in its current footprint. Really excited about this.

The reason the two firms is involved with the

Walz Branch is because the library requires inclusiveness of minorities and women runned firms.

 

From the Cleveland.com article:

Of the five recommended, one is woman-owned, one is minority-owned, and the other three teams include minority design partners that will support the architectural design of the branches, the library said in its news release.

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