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And there's a chance they may have the story right. I heard from one source over the weekend but the R&D was going to Brecksville. But since it was only one source and that SHW was engaging in a disinformation campaign, I chose not to report.  Even my source thought it was a bit out there....

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1 minute ago, KJP said:

And there's a chance they may have the story right. I heard from one source over the weekend but the R&D was going to Brecksville. But since it was only one source and that SHW was engaging in a disinformation campaign, I chose not to report.  Even my source thought it was a bit out there....

So what went wrong with the bedrock site negotiations

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3 minutes ago, AsDustinFoxWouldSay said:

What the hell is with this city? Essentially more poaching from the city to the suburbs. It never freaking ends.

 

Except for there will also be poaching going on the other way around as well.  There will be jobs from Strongsville and other locations that will be consolidated into the headquarters.  Let's not forget based on reports we will still have 5,000 jobs downtown (up from 3,300).  We just will have 1000 jobs also in Brecksville.  Disappointing? Yes.  But it's not like the city is simply continuing a losing streak.  

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We should probably wait on an announcement for details. We don’t know anything about an agreement of any sort. Maybe (pure speculation) Sherwin Williams will give the Breen space to an expanded canal basin park for instance. There are other types of victories.

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12 minutes ago, simplythis said:

How in the world did channel 3 get the story before we did here at Urban Ohio.

 

I guess someone wasn't in the right elevator at the right time.

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I've found the coordinated leaks pretty interesting. When KJP didn't bite on the source feeding him the Breckville story, it went to a WKYC reporter. Not to say the story isn't true (I have no idea), but the back and forth on the various R&D locations stinks of negotiation tactics.

 

The HQ complex should be more employees than the original HQ+R&D site so I guess it is still a plus for Cleveland. But can't help but swallow the bitter pill. Hopefully developing the riverfront wasn't a once in a lifetime opportunity.

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I am told there will be a press release tomorrow. I don't yet know what will be in it. Still checking.

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When I hear from Sherwin Williams tomorrow that they are not leaving Cleveland and that eyesore on Public Square will be no more; I’m not putting too much focus on the RD facility. I get the disappointment though.

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Here's my contribution. Still waiting to hear from more sources, but these two sources are pretty good ones....

 

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On 1/26/2020 at 10:12 AM, KJP said:

Brecksville, DiGeronimo fine-tune big development plan

 

Brecksville Mayor Jerry Hruby in an email said he is in discussions with "several companies" for possible investments in the suburb 13 miles south of downtown Cleveland, but that Sherwin-Williams is not among them.

 

Asked if he was in talks with representatives of Sherwin-Williams or others working on its behalf in that site-selection process, Hruby wrote in a follow-up email, "If you can not accept my previous answer, I am sorry."

 

https://www.crainscleveland.com/real-estate/brecksville-digeronimo-fine-tune-big-development-plan

 

Nice reminder to believe only half of what you see in Crains... 

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This is crazy.......guaranteed that the state will have to put in off and on ramps off of Miller Road....costing millions.  Sprawl continues

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3 minutes ago, ML11 said:

Nice reminder to believe only half of what you see in Crains... 

I honestly wouldn't blame Crains/Bullard, depending on the outcome that's the mayor protecting one hell of an NDA and project.

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Good thing the mayor of Brecksville had just  recently confirmed that “there were no talks going on with SW”.  Yeah okay. 

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11 minutes ago, ML11 said:

Nice reminder to believe only half of what you see in Crains... 

I think it's more of a reminder to believe only half of what you hear from politicians (if that).

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Very disappointing. Shows to me the execs either don’t understand how site location relates to “keeping and attracting talent” or the CEO was full of it.

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The excitement and joy we should have over the death of the Parking Sea can not possibly be overstated. I think the possibility of keeping everything downtown and developing TWO key sites got everyone on this board incredibly ...and maybe a little overly-excited. 
 

...to me this is good news that could’ve been great news. But good news nonetheless. 
 

Well see what additional information comes with the announcement. 

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ValorAcres1.jpg

 

WEDNESDAY, FEBRUARY 5, 2020

SHW: HQ lands west of Public Square, R&D to Brecksville

 

Tomorrow, as has been reported on this blog many times in recent months, Sherwin-Williams (SHW) will announce that its new, consolidated headquarters facility will be built on parking lots owned by the Jacobs and Weston groups west of Public Square, according to several sources.

A press release will be issued tomorrow by SHW. It is doubtful that any site plans or renderings of the new HQ facilities will be included. The current headquarters with about 3,150 jobs is located in the Landmark Building, 101 Prospect Ave., with other SHW offices in the neighboring Skylight Office Tower.

The fact that SHW is not only staying but will relocate and add to downtown as many as 1,800 office jobs, company-wide training facilities and development of nearly 7 acres of windswept parking lots in the central business district is a tremendous victory for downtown Cleveland. SHW's HQ will reportedly measure 1.45 million square feet and represent a $1 billion investment.

 

MORE

https://neo-trans.blogspot.com/2020/02/shw-hq-lands-west-of-public-square-r-to.html

 

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Thanks for all of the solid reporting along the way @KJP.

 

As much as it has been exciting watching every twist and turn up until this point, we have an official announcement, renderings, spinoff development, and many more concrete aspects of the project to look forward to after months of conjecture and uncertainty, even if we have to wait another year for construction to start.

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The R&D decision is going to turn out to be a huge mistake. But SHW will learn that at their leisure. At least it all stays in Cuyahoga. 

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I am just so glad everything stayed in the county. Of course Brecksville is somewhat disappointing, but the regional and city economies are so intertwined. There will still be R&D employees who live downtown (yes, you can live downtown and commute to the suburbs; I know people who do it). There will still be R&D employees patronizing downtown businesses. Several hundred out-of-state jobs coming to a suburb is a victory for the region, even if some jobs are being moved out of the urban core.

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It just could’ve been so great. Now it’s just, meh. Brecksville? Did Digeronimo send Morikis his horse’s head last night? This is so stupid. 

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9 hours ago, eyehrtfood said:

DiGeronimo/Brecksville are the villains here and should be treated as such. 

 

Ridiculous.   They are going to look out for their own community, and should.

 

Who was the "villain" when the VA jobs went to Wade Park?

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13 hours ago, simplythis said:

How in the world did channel 3 get the story before we did here at Urban Ohio.

 

We've been talking about it for a long time.   We were talking about the Valor Acres push before anyone in the local media had any idea.

 

My guess based on other company's histories is there was an internal tug of war.  The mid level headquarters types wanted easier access to the facility for "oversight" purposes.  The tech people wanted some space to minimize exactly that.   

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1 minute ago, BelievelandD1 said:

^there are too many to name...that was a dirty project. But yeah nobody will complain about the end result

 

Jobswise, it's a wash.  

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14 hours ago, KJP said:

And there's a chance they may have the story right. I heard from one source over the weekend but the R&D was going to Brecksville. But since it was only one source and that SHW was engaging in a disinformation campaign, I chose not to report.  Even my source thought it was a bit out there....

 

I was skeptical of the channel 3 report until I read this myself. 

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My information was that the property owner on Scranton Peninsula screwed itself. The city and state offered to clean up the property. 

 

And I have one source saying the R&D site isn't a done deal. Just one, though. 

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30 minutes ago, KJP said:

My information was that the property owner on Scranton Peninsula screwed itself. The city and state offered to clean up the property. 

 

And I have one source saying the R&D site isn't a done deal. Just one, though. 

 

I don't doubt the property owner did that, but the state can't be trusted.   Ask Taylor Chair.  But *someone* sold SW on it, making its issue very public.

 

Definitely sounds like there's an internal struggle going on.   It could have been the Brecksville side that leaked to WKYC.   It won't be any kind of done deal until it is formally announced and perhaps not entirely so even then.

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my 2 cents, it feels like this suburban location was probably always the favored outcome, but SW had to go through the process, evaluate other options and of course create competition to extract maximum incentives.

 

It's also somewhat remarkable how far this misinformation/leak campaign seems to have gone.  With leaks to Ken, Stan Bullard and finally another to Michelle Jarboe (which by the way is this her first story since returning back from maternity?)...  

 

Finally, tying all these points together, the VA site offers a lot to SW - centrally located at 77 & Turnpike for logistics/employee base....  low rise suburban tech center campus....  will be surrounded by brand new amenities (parking structure, retail & hotel/conf center)...  and probably the shortest time to complete.  Not to mention freeway access right outside the entry once the other ramps at Miller are complete.

 

Hopefully Cleveland has a newly focused incentive package ready from this that they can use to lure in other firms.  I wonder how much we'll learn about what Brecksville actually offered to SW in terms of incentives....

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Q2. Why won’t both facilities be located together in the city of Cleveland? Won’t this impact your ability to collaborate?

 

Due to current building codes, safety requirements, transportation needs and other Company requirements, the Company could not find a suitable location to co-locate the R&D center and the global headquarters downtown. The Brecksville site will provide a large R&D footprint with flexibility for future expansion and will be only a 20-minute drive to our new global headquarters building. Collaboration will not be an issue given today’s communication technology.

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Multimedia presentation, press release, facts & figures, updates, etc. about HQ+R&D 

https://www.sherwin-williams.com/buildingourfuture/

 

I'm told some contractors are expecting five years worth of work with this project. They may not build everything all at once, at the outset.


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