X Posted January 24, 2020 Share Posted January 24, 2020 Let's keep this focused on the SW R&D Center, please. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
surfohio Posted January 24, 2020 Share Posted January 24, 2020 (edited) There's a fiscally conservative argument for steering development within the traditional, centralized the area where huge infrastructural investments have already been made. Then again I suppose the other side of the argument would be that it doesn't make sense to re-invest somewhere where corruption or ineptitude makes the investment a bad one. SHW's decision, when it all comes to fruition someday, will be fascinating to really look at more in-depth. There's just so many angles to consider. Edited January 24, 2020 by surfohio Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tastybunns Posted January 25, 2020 Share Posted January 25, 2020 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KJP Posted January 26, 2020 Share Posted January 26, 2020 Brecksville, DiGeronimo fine-tune big development plan Brecksville Mayor Jerry Hruby in an email said he is in discussions with "several companies" for possible investments in the suburb 13 miles south of downtown Cleveland, but that Sherwin-Williams is not among them. Asked if he was in talks with representatives of Sherwin-Williams or others working on its behalf in that site-selection process, Hruby wrote in a follow-up email, "If you can not accept my previous answer, I am sorry." https://www.crainscleveland.com/real-estate/brecksville-digeronimo-fine-tune-big-development-plan 11 1 3 “What is the meaning of this city? Do you huddle close together because you love each other?” Or “We all dwell together to make money from each other”? -- TS Eliot’s The Rock Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KJP Posted January 27, 2020 Share Posted January 27, 2020 Not there yet. But they're getting closer to a new R&D home..... 7 4 “What is the meaning of this city? Do you huddle close together because you love each other?” Or “We all dwell together to make money from each other”? -- TS Eliot’s The Rock Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest ytown2ctown Posted January 27, 2020 Share Posted January 27, 2020 4 minutes ago, KJP said: Not there yet. But they're getting closer to a new R&D home..... *has anxiety attack* Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inlovewithCLE Posted January 27, 2020 Share Posted January 27, 2020 1 hour ago, KJP said: Not there yet. But they're getting closer to a new R&D home..... In Cleveland proper or the suburbs? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KJP Posted January 27, 2020 Share Posted January 27, 2020 2 hours ago, inlovewithCLE said: In Cleveland proper or the suburbs? Stay tuned. Article coming soon. 5 1 “What is the meaning of this city? Do you huddle close together because you love each other?” Or “We all dwell together to make money from each other”? -- TS Eliot’s The Rock Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inlovewithCLE Posted January 27, 2020 Share Posted January 27, 2020 7 minutes ago, KJP said: Stay tuned. Article coming soon. 3 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
freefourur Posted January 27, 2020 Share Posted January 27, 2020 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frmr CLEder Posted January 27, 2020 Share Posted January 27, 2020 Thanks KJP! I may be 1244 miles away, but still have the pulse on my hometown. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simplythis Posted January 27, 2020 Share Posted January 27, 2020 13 minutes ago, Frmr CLEder said: Thanks KJP! I may be 1244 miles away, but still have the pulse on my hometown. You should move back home - We need all the people that left Cleveland for Greener Pastures to come back home. ( Texas, Florida, Carolinas, California, Denver, Seattle, Columbus , ETC ETC ETC. Man we probably could substantially increase our population if we brought back everyone. 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
surfohio Posted January 27, 2020 Share Posted January 27, 2020 55 minutes ago, inlovewithCLE said: upvote because I really really liked that music video back in the day haha 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KJP Posted January 27, 2020 Share Posted January 27, 2020 MONDAY, JANUARY 27, 2020 Sherwin-Williams seeks Bedrock site for R&D It seems that Sherwin-Williams' (SHW) new research and development (R&D) facility may not wander far from home after all, according to three high-level sources who asked not to be identified. In light of SHW executives wanting the new R&D facility to be built as close as possible to their company's new headquarters (HQ), the global coatings giant is reportedly in negotiations with Bedrock Cleveland and its lawyers at Taft Stettinius & Hollister LLP to secure land for its R&D site. That site, which SHW had previously considered as the runner-up for its expanded and consolidated HQ facilities, is located between Tower City Center and the Cuyahoga River. It was previously considered for Bedrock's phase two casino but Bedrock has since been exiting the casino business. There, on 19.6 acres of land it owns, Bedrock plans to build the riverfront phase of its CityBlock development featuring a mix of offices, a hotel, apartment towers and possibly SHW's R&D facility. MORE: https://neo-trans.blogspot.com/2020/01/a-conceptual-massing-of-bedrocks.html 21 8 2 “What is the meaning of this city? Do you huddle close together because you love each other?” Or “We all dwell together to make money from each other”? -- TS Eliot’s The Rock Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrclifton88 Posted January 27, 2020 Share Posted January 27, 2020 This is pretty exciting... originally so many of us were torn between Weston/Jacobs or Bedrock site and which would be more transformational. If this goes through we hopefully get something that is a little bit of the best of both worlds! 9 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marty15 Posted January 27, 2020 Share Posted January 27, 2020 This is the perfect spot. Maybe they can do a land swap. Bedrock gets the Landmark building to do a residential conversion. Seeing their work on the May Co., I’d love to see that happen. Everyone wins, and the CBD will be closer to getting built out. 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KJP Posted January 27, 2020 Share Posted January 27, 2020 I can see SHW swapping its Breen property for Bedrock's upper parking lot for Tower City. But I can't see SHW trading its Landmark Building for anything other than a big pile of cash. FWIW, Millennia bought the slightly larger 925 Euclid for $40 million. 3 1 “What is the meaning of this city? Do you huddle close together because you love each other?” Or “We all dwell together to make money from each other”? -- TS Eliot’s The Rock Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3 Dog Pat Posted January 28, 2020 Share Posted January 28, 2020 Probably wildly speculating here, but if R&D go to Tower City, I bet HQ goes to Tower City 4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MayDay Posted January 28, 2020 Share Posted January 28, 2020 22 hours ago, inlovewithCLE said: Okay, off topic but no joke; scrolling through this thread at lunch and what’s playing at Heinens as we speak? Back on topic! 2 1 1 http://www.clevelandskyscrapers.comhttps://www.instagram.com/clevelandskyscrapers/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MyPhoneDead Posted January 28, 2020 Share Posted January 28, 2020 37 minutes ago, punch said: Probably wildly speculating here, but if R&D go to Tower City, I bet HQ goes to Tower City Huh? 3 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
musky Posted February 5, 2020 Share Posted February 5, 2020 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrclifton88 Posted February 5, 2020 Share Posted February 5, 2020 (edited) Ummmmm @KJP can you address the above? I trust your reporting more than theirs. Edited February 5, 2020 by mrclifton88 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GISguy Posted February 5, 2020 Share Posted February 5, 2020 40 minutes ago, musky said: 2 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MyPhoneDead Posted February 5, 2020 Share Posted February 5, 2020 That kinda sucks. Bedrock site would have been a great alternative. Is the job gain in Cleveland proper now a wash compared to what's here now? Even though we will potentially gain new HQ jobs losing those R&D jobs seems like it cancels that out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G00pie Posted February 5, 2020 Share Posted February 5, 2020 Well that's disappointing though i wont be mad till i hear from KJP Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simplythis Posted February 5, 2020 Share Posted February 5, 2020 Yes an absolute surprise especially since just last week we thought they were negotiating at the bedrock site 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MyPhoneDead Posted February 5, 2020 Share Posted February 5, 2020 This gives me more disappoinment than when Eaton left to go to Highland Hills. At least with that Cleveland gets some sort of benefit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ASPhotoman Posted February 5, 2020 Share Posted February 5, 2020 I'm holding off being upset until I hear something from @KJP... 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simplythis Posted February 5, 2020 Share Posted February 5, 2020 Is it possible that channel 3 has the story wrong. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cle_guy90 Posted February 5, 2020 Share Posted February 5, 2020 1 minute ago, simplythis said: Is it possible that channel 3 has the story wrong. Doubtful. It says sources (more than one) and I haven't known channel 3 to put out something like this if it weren't true. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simplythis Posted February 5, 2020 Share Posted February 5, 2020 3 minutes ago, simplythis said: Is it possible that channel 3 has the story wrong. https://www.wkyc.com/article/news/local/cleveland/sherwin-williams-to-announce-tomorrow-that-it-will-stay-in-cleveland/95-15a6aa37-c4d6-4ecf-a844-1ca637eb9f31 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RE Developer In Training Posted February 5, 2020 Share Posted February 5, 2020 How in the heck could this happen? Oh wait, sleepy Frank is our mayor. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KJP Posted February 5, 2020 Share Posted February 5, 2020 And there's a chance they may have the story right. I heard from one source over the weekend but the R&D was going to Brecksville. But since it was only one source and that SHW was engaging in a disinformation campaign, I chose not to report. Even my source thought it was a bit out there.... 1 “What is the meaning of this city? Do you huddle close together because you love each other?” Or “We all dwell together to make money from each other”? -- TS Eliot’s The Rock Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simplythis Posted February 5, 2020 Share Posted February 5, 2020 1 minute ago, KJP said: And there's a chance they may have the story right. I heard from one source over the weekend but the R&D was going to Brecksville. But since it was only one source and that SHW was engaging in a disinformation campaign, I chose not to report. Even my source thought it was a bit out there.... So what went wrong with the bedrock site negotiations 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AsDustinFoxWouldSay Posted February 5, 2020 Share Posted February 5, 2020 (edited) What the hell is with this city? Essentially more poaching from the city to the suburbs. It never freaking ends. Edited February 5, 2020 by AsDustinFoxWouldSay 2 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cle_guy90 Posted February 5, 2020 Share Posted February 5, 2020 3 minutes ago, AsDustinFoxWouldSay said: What the hell is with this city? Essentially more poaching from the city to the suburbs. It never freaking ends. Except for there will also be poaching going on the other way around as well. There will be jobs from Strongsville and other locations that will be consolidated into the headquarters. Let's not forget based on reports we will still have 5,000 jobs downtown (up from 3,300). We just will have 1000 jobs also in Brecksville. Disappointing? Yes. But it's not like the city is simply continuing a losing streak. 9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sfbob Posted February 5, 2020 Share Posted February 5, 2020 If true, pathetic. 1 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simplythis Posted February 5, 2020 Share Posted February 5, 2020 How in the world did channel 3 get the story before we did here at Urban Ohio. 7 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CbusTransit Posted February 5, 2020 Share Posted February 5, 2020 We should probably wait on an announcement for details. We don’t know anything about an agreement of any sort. Maybe (pure speculation) Sherwin Williams will give the Breen space to an expanded canal basin park for instance. There are other types of victories. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GISguy Posted February 5, 2020 Share Posted February 5, 2020 12 minutes ago, simplythis said: How in the world did channel 3 get the story before we did here at Urban Ohio. I guess someone wasn't in the right elevator at the right time. 3 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mendo Posted February 5, 2020 Share Posted February 5, 2020 I've found the coordinated leaks pretty interesting. When KJP didn't bite on the source feeding him the Breckville story, it went to a WKYC reporter. Not to say the story isn't true (I have no idea), but the back and forth on the various R&D locations stinks of negotiation tactics. The HQ complex should be more employees than the original HQ+R&D site so I guess it is still a plus for Cleveland. But can't help but swallow the bitter pill. Hopefully developing the riverfront wasn't a once in a lifetime opportunity. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KJP Posted February 5, 2020 Share Posted February 5, 2020 I am told there will be a press release tomorrow. I don't yet know what will be in it. Still checking. 4 2 “What is the meaning of this city? Do you huddle close together because you love each other?” Or “We all dwell together to make money from each other”? -- TS Eliot’s The Rock Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Florida Guy Posted February 5, 2020 Share Posted February 5, 2020 (edited) When I hear from Sherwin Williams tomorrow that they are not leaving Cleveland and that eyesore on Public Square will be no more; I’m not putting too much focus on the RD facility. I get the disappointment though. Edited February 5, 2020 by Florida Guy 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KJP Posted February 5, 2020 Share Posted February 5, 2020 (edited) Here's my contribution. Still waiting to hear from more sources, but these two sources are pretty good ones.... Edited February 5, 2020 by KJP 1 1 “What is the meaning of this city? Do you huddle close together because you love each other?” Or “We all dwell together to make money from each other”? -- TS Eliot’s The Rock Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ML11 Posted February 5, 2020 Share Posted February 5, 2020 On 1/26/2020 at 10:12 AM, KJP said: Brecksville, DiGeronimo fine-tune big development plan Brecksville Mayor Jerry Hruby in an email said he is in discussions with "several companies" for possible investments in the suburb 13 miles south of downtown Cleveland, but that Sherwin-Williams is not among them. Asked if he was in talks with representatives of Sherwin-Williams or others working on its behalf in that site-selection process, Hruby wrote in a follow-up email, "If you can not accept my previous answer, I am sorry." https://www.crainscleveland.com/real-estate/brecksville-digeronimo-fine-tune-big-development-plan Nice reminder to believe only half of what you see in Crains... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mack34 Posted February 5, 2020 Share Posted February 5, 2020 This is crazy.......guaranteed that the state will have to put in off and on ramps off of Miller Road....costing millions. Sprawl continues 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GISguy Posted February 5, 2020 Share Posted February 5, 2020 (edited) 3 minutes ago, ML11 said: Nice reminder to believe only half of what you see in Crains... I honestly wouldn't blame Crains/Bullard, depending on the outcome that's the mayor protecting one hell of an NDA and project. Edited February 5, 2020 by GISguy 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CleveFan Posted February 5, 2020 Share Posted February 5, 2020 Good thing the mayor of Brecksville had just recently confirmed that “there were no talks going on with SW”. Yeah okay. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Htsguy Posted February 5, 2020 Share Posted February 5, 2020 There is some R and D guy who lives in Mentor that is not going to be a happy camper tomorrow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cle_guy90 Posted February 5, 2020 Share Posted February 5, 2020 11 minutes ago, ML11 said: Nice reminder to believe only half of what you see in Crains... I think it's more of a reminder to believe only half of what you hear from politicians (if that). 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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