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Cleveland: Hough: General Development and Info

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Oddly, the intersection they give, Wade Park and White Ave., doesn't exist, as those are both E-W streets.

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My guess is that it's on all of the land bank owned space on E 65th between the two avenues.

Delving further into research of the organizations involved, Ubiquitous Design LTD has done a number of small projects and designed the African American Cultural Garden and WRJ Developers is a brand new organization made up of a bunch of other groups.

The area of Hough has seen quite a lot of newly constructed "mini mansions" in the past couple decades from wealthy black professionals moving back to the neighborhood, but to my knowledge, this is the first multifamily in recent years.

This development also seems notable as one of the only black lead new construction development groups in Cleveland.

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56 minutes ago, tykaps said:

http://planning.city.cleveland.oh.us/designreview/brd/detailDR.php?ID=3343&CASE=EC 2019-055

Another project in Hough, also vague with little info on it and its exact location. This one's part of the Euclid Corridor Design meeting on the 31st. Not sure why though, the location given should put it in the Northeast.

 

@tykaps I assume that's the same site as this erstwhile development, dubbed "Core 90"?

 

 


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Seems to be, but the plan is now for an apartment building instead of offices.

LDA Architects have designed a lot of awesome apartment buildings such as Church+State so I'm excited to see this.

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If it's just going to be apartments it would be nice to see them save the ones that are currently there and just fill in the vacant lots.  But I doubt that we're that lucky!

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1 hour ago, X said:

If it's just going to be apartments it would be nice to see them save the ones that are currently there and just fill in the vacant lots.  But I doubt that we're that lucky!

I've learned to not be too optimistic about development in the area but I'm hesitantly hoping LDA does something urban and hinting towards the historical apartments of the area. 

At the very least, it'll be better than Innova/Residence Inn. Such a car centric front with a poorly planned sidewalk. Like a desire path if it was grass, almost everyone I see ends up just walking in the car lane/parking when going past the building.

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Two developments in Hough will be presented before the Cleveland Planning Commission on November 1st.  I couldn't find a thread for Hough specifically so I created this one.  I believe the E. 90th Street Apartments have been mentioned in the University Circle General Developments thread.  Though the areas may blend around E. 90th, the development is within Hough and as such, I think Hough deserves it's own thread.

 

1st:  E. 90th Street Apartments, which are north of Chester.  This development will require the demo of a few classic Hough apartment buildings along E. 90th.  I'll have to get some pics before they're gone.  Here's some of the images on the CPC website:

 

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And 2nd: Another project located between White Ave. and Wade Park.  Looks to be about 24 units:

 

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What are the conditions of the larger existing bldgs on E 90 now that will be torn down?  There's plenty of space in Hough to build--hate to see old structures torn down.

 

As for the 2nd building----I agree--it looks like a 1970s office building----very bizarre to create new residential that looks like that.

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10 minutes ago, Pugu said:

What are the conditions of the larger existing bldgs on E 90 now that will be torn down?  There's plenty of space in Hough to build--hate to see old structures torn down.

 

As for the 2nd building----I agree--it looks like a 1970s office building----very bizarre to create new residential that looks like that.

I was wondering about the condition of the tear downs also but you have to admit this is one of the better locations in Hough for new development (and making money which I am assuming is the goal) given how close it is to the Clinic.

 

Disagree with you about the look and really like the conceptual streetscape.  Looks like something you would find in Westwood in LA

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^^One of the buildings (the light red-brick to the right) in the development footprint is one of my faves on the east-side.  Last time I went down the street was on a night my wife was getting off of work at the Clinc during the beginning of the year.  She parked on the street since she was running late and wasn't using the parking garage on the opposite side of Chester yet.  Every building in this shot is vacant:

 

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Wow, some pretty big developments for that area! Agree with previous sentiments though - E90th looks like it'll be really cool and I like the architecture and streetscape.

 

Can't help but noticing that in small print, the location for the 2nd one is listed as being on "East 61th Street." 😅 Definitely not a fan of that one's design though. I'm excited for new residential development around the League Park neighborhood, but that just does NOT fit in with the context / existing aesthetics there. I guess we'll just have to see once completed.

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A third new development (also mentioned in the University Circle thread) on Ansel and Hough Ave. was presented to the CPC in April; again, this development blends with University Circle but is solidly within Hough.  It's currently under construction:

 

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1 hour ago, Oldmanladyluck said:

I couldn't find a thread for Hough specifically so I created this one

1. Thank you so much. With three major developments going on and a couple more possible ones in early stages right now, this was sorely needed.

2. It's confusing because they show two plans for the League Park Apartments, but I'm pretty sure the chosen plan was this oneHough_Apartment_Building_IMG_06.thumb.jpg.68c6246731982a65ca58723de4dfa2e9.jpg

With 3 floors each and 7 buildings, we're looking at 60 new units in the neighborhood.

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Well it's great to see development happening in Hough even though the neighborhood was cut out of any opportunity zone funding. Hopefully these developments integrate to improve the quality of living of the existing community instead of simply displacing people.

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1 hour ago, Htsguy said:

 

Disagree with you about the look and really like the conceptual streetscape.  Looks like something you would find in Westwood in LA

 

Well that may be the case for Westwood, LA, but in Cleveland and other parts of the country it looks more like a 70s office building.  If they keep the design they should at least make it neon green or something. That would make it more interesting and modern (for Cleveland).

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Still not a fan of the architecture style, but the other site plan posted for the White ave project is MUCH better than the original posted at the top with a bunch of randomly placed L-shaped buildings. There’s more cohesion with the second site plan. And they are restoring street Grid on Wade Park Ave!!!

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^I would hope so- it's listed as an investment property which would more than likely include asbestos abatement.  For $1.9 at 160 suites that comes to $11,875 per unit before any needed repairs.  I assume that requiring HUD experience means the property would have to be federally subsidized?  

 

Hopefully the energy continues and the building is picked up for development.

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3 hours ago, Oldmanladyluck said:

And 2nd: Another project located between White Ave. and Wade Park.  Looks to be about 24 units:

 

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Thanks for the thread, I really dislike that they're taking a part of the neighborhood that actually has trees and tearing everything down (surely the new tree cover won't be near the same). There's plenty of similarly sized 'blank canvas' type lots closeby that would probably work better for something like this, this area has already been decimated by tear downs and lack of any tree cover through time, just look at the aerial screenshot above... 😕 

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On 10/30/2019 at 11:56 AM, KJP said:

Hoping that something positive will happen to the 160-unit Kingsbury apartments on Hough Avenue, which are for sale but completely vacant and gutted by vandals....

 

https://www.loopnet.com/Listing/9410-Hough-Ave-Cleveland-OH/12825875/

 

 

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I found this a while back and posted it in the University Circle thread since this thread didn't exist yet. While I don't believe "luxury apartments" are going to work between 3 public housing developments, it shows there was at least 1 company dreaming about this project. Does anyone know how structurally sound that building is? It has been open to the elements for over a decade and the Dixons Market next door has almost fully collapsed into itself. 

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On 10/30/2019 at 11:41 AM, Potamus said:

I like the E 90th one but am disappointed they're leaving the parking lot facing Chester.

I agree, but that is part of the parking lot for the University Church of Christ at 89th and Chester and the developer presumably could not obtain the lot. 

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I love this project for it's design, density, location, underground parking, # of units, variations in colors and textures. 

 

That being said, this looks like it will be an expensive address to call home and my only wish is for these developments, coupled by the Opportunity Corridors "New Economy District" just down E105th to help raise the residents in these neighborhoods rather than push them away. 

 

Dozens of interior doors had been removed from those old apartment buildings on E90th in September and I though the buildings were getting remodeled, but I drove by there a week ago and didn't realize how many windows were missing and the state of decay the buildings were in. Now I guess what I was seeing was a salvaging campaign prepping the site for demolition for (hopefully) this development. At least the larger buildings on E93rd and E97th are inhabited and most likely not in any danger. 

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1 hour ago, Foraker said:

Where is Hough's "downtown"?

 

Nonexistant at this point- though my guess would be around the Crawford and Hough Ave. intersection back in the day. That doesn't include the intersection of Euclid and E. 105th, which was pretty much the center of it all on the east-side at one point though technically just outside of Hough's boundaries.

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Hough had a linear downtown along Hough Avenue pretty much from just west of East 79th to just east of Crawford, including a theater movie, multistory residential hotels over shops and restaurants, private and public schools and more. It was an amazing, vibrant neighborhood. 

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11 hours ago, KJP said:

Hough had a linear downtown along Hough Avenue pretty much from just west of East 79th to just east of Crawford, including a theater movie, multistory residential hotels over shops and restaurants, private and public schools and more. It was an amazing, vibrant neighborhood. 

 

Every Cleveland neighborhood should have its own "downtown" - commercial district/gathering place. 

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1 hour ago, Foraker said:

 

Every Cleveland neighborhood should have its own "downtown" - commercial district/gathering place. 

 

Current Cleveland city planning codes would never allow for this to happen.  We're going to continue to get set backs, parking spacing, and single use.  Cleveland would need to adopt similar zoning codes as a Portland or Seattle.

 

But to police myself for getting off topic, this can be discussed further here: 🙂

 

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On 11/1/2019 at 11:09 AM, MuRrAy HiLL said:

 

Current Cleveland city planning codes would never allow for this to happen.  We're going to continue to get set backs, parking spacing, and single use.  Cleveland would need to adopt similar zoning codes as a Portland or Seattle.

 

But to police myself for getting off topic, this can be discussed further here: 🙂

 

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At least CLEVELAND is in the process of updating its Zoning Codes with Urban Form Overlay ect. 

I believe they are starting with a trial in Detroit Shoreway. neighborhood and eventually the rest of the city.

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