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They built a retail focused building where it made sense, on North 4th. That's the street that should be developed as a commercial mixed use corridor. There's plenty of vacancy (including at Kramer Place across the street) and under-utilized space there. No one in Jeffery Park is more than 1,200 ft from North 4th. 

 

I don't understand how people expect to force a coffee shop or artisanal bakery every 30 feet. No one eats that much bread! 

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11 hours ago, 17thState said:

Wagenbrenner didn't build the $1M exposed plywood building, that was the one Jeffery park lot they didn't own. Those were built by Mulberry. 

 

I think Wagenbrenner has overall done a nice job turning a huge empty lot into a neighborhood. The northern street wall is a little bit monotonous and the placement of the town homes is a bit odd in some places. But I've been in some them and they seem nicely done inside and out. 

Yep. Mulberry is also building that cheap, hideous condo building at Ohio and Bryden in OTE.

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1 hour ago, 17thState said:

They built a retail focused building where it made sense, on North 4th. That's the street that should be developed as a commercial mixed use corridor. There's plenty of vacancy (including at Kramer Place across the street) and under-utilized space there. No one in Jeffery Park is more than 1,200 ft from North 4th. 

 

I don't understand how people expect to force a coffee shop or artisanal bakery every 30 feet. No one eats that much bread! 

Yeah, the density here is great. With so much retail nearby and on its way I don't see the need for this to be filled with mixed-use. More green space would be nice though. A Goodale Park for Italian Village should have been built here, and the residential buildings oriented to it.

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5 hours ago, 4N6science said:

I think for this amount of people moving into one area without more mixed use is kind of a shame. 

It's helping 4th develop though, there has been a complete transformation of that corridor in the past 12-16 months.  I am disappointed that they didn't make it more mixed used though.

 

Also shame on Mulberry and my apologies to Wagenbrenner for my previous comments.

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On 2/9/2019 at 1:38 PM, wpcc88 said:

It's helping 4th develop though, there has been a complete transformation of that corridor in the past 12-16 months.  I am disappointed that they didn't make it more mixed used though.

 

Also shame on Mulberry and my apologies to Wagenbrenner for my previous comments.

 

Yes, overall it is helping 4th grow and that is great. I remember seeing the field of dirt and concrete when I moved here in 2014. Obviously having this density of people is much better. I will hope that more businesses will start moving in to help fill the needs of all the new residents. 

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At what point will density be high enough for retail to move in? There are empty storefronts on High St in the new buildings between 7th and 9th too. Is the rent so high that it's cost prohibitive for local businesses? Can only national chains afford the rent? 

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7 hours ago, Pablo said:

At what point will density be high enough for retail to move in? There are empty storefronts on High St in the new buildings between 7th and 9th too. Is the rent so high that it's cost prohibitive for local businesses? Can only national chains afford the rent? 

Rent is high because it's a hot neighborhood... greed is the only answer.. if I'm a developer I'm aiming for 100% occupancy before the build is complete, give discounts at first and get tenants and raise it when the contract is up.. some think like that in Columbus and others don't

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13 hours ago, Pablo said:

At what point will density be high enough for retail to move in? There are empty storefronts on High St in the new buildings between 7th and 9th too. Is the rent so high that it's cost prohibitive for local businesses? Can only national chains afford the rent? 

 

Population density across the Short North overall hit 10,400 in 2017, the latest year we have.  That's up by about 1200 since 2010, and is probably being undercounted given that the Census has consistently shown only relatively low growth for that area for some reason. 

The retail issue outside of High is still related to High.  The entire Short North is expensive for retail because of the destination that is High, as well as the quality neighborhoods around it.  On corridors like 4th, you still have higher rents, but significantly less guaranteed traffic than High Street, where so much retail is already concentrated.  Beyond that, few new projects off of High actually include retail space, so you're not even seeing potential retail down the road.

As for the future of retail away from High, other corridors are best served with local concentrations, like at major intersections.  Sort of like those in German Village- not destination retail, but neighborhood-level stuff.

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On 2/11/2019 at 10:10 PM, jonoh81 said:

 

Population density across the Short North overall hit 10,400 in 2017, the latest year we have.  That's up by about 1200 since 2010, and is probably being undercounted given that the Census has consistently shown only relatively low growth for that area for some reason. 

The retail issue outside of High is still related to High.  The entire Short North is expensive for retail because of the destination that is High, as well as the quality neighborhoods around it.  On corridors like 4th, you still have higher rents, but significantly less guaranteed traffic than High Street, where so much retail is already concentrated.  Beyond that, few new projects off of High actually include retail space, so you're not even seeing potential retail down the road.

As for the future of retail away from High, other corridors are best served with local concentrations, like at major intersections.  Sort of like those in German Village- not destination retail, but neighborhood-level stuff.

 

I think some of that has to do with the existing building stock. What you said holds very true for a place like Victorian Village. Large, historic single-family homes are hard to convert to a functional retail space, and very cost prohibitive. But a place like Italian Village is slowly becoming the "just off High" commercial area. All of those small former factories are great for converting into coffee shops, breweries, and so on. And most of the buildings are fronted up against a street with no or minimal setback. The challenge for this area is going to be 4th and Summit, which are basically highways. There's a noticeable drop in pedestrian comfort level once you get off High Street and into the Italian Village area. 

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Snapped a picture of the building at 4th & Warren St on my way in today. I will say, as much as I hate that it was downsized, I don't think it's a terrible design for the area.

Anyway here you go! Also you can also see the nearly complete 'Galion Flats' (4 story condo building) just behind in this picture. 

 

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Additional little side note, looks like they are in the process of rebuilding a bit of the street grid with connecting Warren St across 4th into Jeffrey Park. 

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I can remember when that area looked like Hiroshima-for decades actually. It amounted to about 40 acres of absolute desolation. Little by little, bit by bit, the city is filling in. 🙂

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3 hours ago, tlb919 said:

Snapped a picture of the building at 4th & Warren St on my way in today. I will say, as much as I hate that it was downsized, I don't think it's a terrible design for the area.

Anyway here you go! Also you can also see the nearly complete 'Galion Flats' (4 story condo building) just behind in this picture. 

 

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Additional little side note, looks like they are in the process of rebuilding a bit of the street grid with connecting Warren St across 4th into Jeffrey Park. 

 

Warren never actually went further than 4th Street, at least going back to the 1880s, so it would be a completely new extension.  6th also didn't go that far south.  It ended at 1st. 

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8 hours ago, tlb919 said:

Snapped a picture of the building at 4th & Warren St on my way in today. I will say, as much as I hate that it was downsized, I don't think it's a terrible design for the area.

Anyway here you go! Also you can also see the nearly complete 'Galion Flats' (4 story condo building) just behind in this picture. 

 

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Additional little side note, looks like they are in the process of rebuilding a bit of the street grid with connecting Warren St across 4th into Jeffrey Park. 

I'm totally fine with the change in architecture (even if it is a downsize) because we didn't get this nifty building on the other side of the site (the smaller-scale buildings in a grid pattern were built instead)

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The reason this was downsized is because they're shifting density toward the southern most portion of the site with 6-10 floor buildings proposed there. It kind of makes sense because this will block any noise from the interstate from the rest of the Jeffery Park site, but I'm concerned about more density and the traffic it generates in that portion of the development having to traverse a bunch of narrow streets with parking on both sides to get in and out. 

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16 minutes ago, cityscapes said:

The reason this was downsized is because they're shifting density toward the southern most portion of the site with 6-10 floor buildings proposed there. It kind of makes sense because this will block any noise from the interstate from the rest of the Jeffery Park site, but I'm concerned about more density and the traffic it generates in that portion of the development having to traverse a bunch of narrow streets with parking on both sides to get in and out. 

I haven’t see any proposals for 6-10 stories at Jeffrey Park.  Link?  

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11 minutes ago, jonoh81 said:

I haven’t see any proposals for 6-10 stories at Jeffrey Park.  Link?  

 

Just because they haven't made it to the Italian Village Commission where renders would surface for articles doesn't mean projects aren't taking shape in the background. The City of Columbus isn't the most transparent city for finding out what development applications are being filed and where but if you know where to look it's not impossible. 

 

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16 hours ago, jonoh81 said:

I haven’t see any proposals for 6-10 stories at Jeffrey Park.  Link?  

  Well I really hope we do see some eventually. I hope they work out any traffic problems, any noise problems, and go UP for those views. Maybe a buffer and a few floors of parking first and then build up above that? I have always hoped they would go higher for that "lower" portion of the land area.

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19 hours ago, cityscapes said:

 

Just because they haven't made it to the Italian Village Commission where renders would surface for articles doesn't mean projects aren't taking shape in the background. The City of Columbus isn't the most transparent city for finding out what development applications are being filed and where but if you know where to look it's not impossible. 

 

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Oh I definitely know that.  I go to the City Portal all the time searching for new projects that have not been officially announced or made it to neighborhood commissions.  Good catch and great news.  

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On 3/22/2019 at 5:57 PM, cityscapes said:

The reason this was downsized is because they're shifting density toward the southern most portion of the site with 6-10 floor buildings proposed there. 

I wonder if all the people who've recently bought their $450k condos with rooftop views of downtown know that's the plan. I imagine that height would block alot of that. I know your not entitled to a view, but they do make it part of the selling point and they're the ones developing the whole project. I'd be a little upset

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3 hours ago, 17thState said:

I wonder if all the people who've recently bought their $450k condos with rooftop views of downtown know that's the plan. I imagine that height would block alot of that. I know your not entitled to a view, but they do make it part of the selling point and they're the ones developing the whole project. I'd be a little upset

 

One buying in a development like that should be well aware that the completion of the project may result in the loss of a view etc. If they want their skyline view back they'll just have to build taller buildings downtown so they can see them over all the new development in Jeffery Park. 

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CU has some more construction photos of the Jeffrey Park development -- posted on 3/22 at https://www.columbusunderground.com/construction-roundup-short-north-university-district

 

Some photos of construction in the interior of Jeffrey Park:

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And a recently finished phase at Jeffrey Park:

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Photo of construction at the edge of Jeffrey Park along Fourth Street:

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Plans Unveiled for Final Phases of Jeffrey Park

 

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The latest plans for the future of Jeffrey Park were unveiled today by Wagenbrenner Development. Along with new residential buildings and a reconfigured park space, the plans call for a large parking garage with office space above it that would be the tallest building constructed so far in the 41-acre development at the edge of Italian Village.

 

Containing anywhere from 100,000 to 140,000 square feet of office space, the building would also hold enough parking to meet the needs of the final three phases of Jeffrey Park. Apartments would wrap around the parking garage, and an amenity deck would offer outdoor space for both residents and office tenants.

 

“The (Italian Village) Commission has been wanting to see our best guess for how the site is going to fill out,” said company president Mark Wagenbrenner. “The problem is, every time we show a plan that’s this far out, the world changes…we’re now getting close enough to the end, though, that it is in everybody’s interest to (share the plans).”

 

More below:

https://www.columbusunderground.com/plans-unveiled-for-final-phases-of-jeffrey-park-bw1

 

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Not sure on the angle of that rendering, but it looks like it blocks the view of downtown a bit for some of the townhomes/apartments. I like the height though!

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1 minute ago, 4N6science said:

Not sure on the angle of that rendering, but it looks like it blocks the view of downtown a bit for some of the townhomes/apartments. I like the height though!

 

From the article:

 

The biggest expected concern from residents is the potential for the proposed office building to block views to the south. Wagenbrenner said they worked to preserve what he called the “meaty part of the Downtown view” by stepping down the height of the western portion of the building.

 

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I hope they go with the 4 floors of residential on top of the office to make it a 14 floor building.  Too bad they did not include a bit more retail along 4th.

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40 minutes ago, Toddguy said:

I hope they go with the 4 floors of residential on top of the office to make it a 14 floor building.  Too bad they did not include a bit more retail along 4th.

 

They could always make it half as wide but twice as tall 😉 lol

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Finally a link to back up my earlier claims. Everything looks good about the final phases but the taller building is kind of ugly but that's subjective. 

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14 hours ago, cityscapes said:

Finally a link to back up my earlier claims. Everything looks good about the final phases but the taller building is kind of ugly but that's subjective. 

 

Really interesting to see these "final phase" concepts for the rest of the build out, I really appreciate that they are going taller and a bit denser with the final pieces. 

 

I would venture to say the final design of the taller structure wont look anything like shown above, it seems the most "conceptual" render in the bunch. I imagine the final design will be a bit more in line with the architecture in Jeffrey and probably a bit more of a showpiece. I toured one of the condos in the area a few weeks back and I will say, the agent didn't bring up the possible loss of view until I asked and they he just came out and said "views are not guaranteed".

 

Overall though this has turned out as a really good infill of such a massive blank slate (minus the lack of retail interspersed).  

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10-story building, 600+ residences proposed in Italian Village

 

The final phases of Jeffrey Park could bring hundreds of new residential units and a significant mixed-use tower.

 

More below:

https://www.bizjournals.com/columbus/news/2019/04/12/slideshow-10-story-building-600-residences.html

 

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