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Proposed 11-story tower could add artistic flair to downtown Columbus

 

https://www.bizjournals.com/columbus/news/2019/12/18/proposed-11-story-tower-could-add-artistic-flair.html?iana=hpmvp_colum_news_headline

 

Below is an interesting comment relating the issue of the parking garage fronting Grant:

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"We know (art) is a critical component to the success of this project," said Parish, which is why the development team hopes to link up with the nearby Columbus College of Art and Design to display local artwork on the garage's North Grant Avenue facade on a rotating basis.

 

That's something Downtown Commission Chairman Steve Wittmann applauded, as several commission members weren't excited about the appearance of the parking structure at the intersection of Broad Street and Grant Avenue.

 

 

The developers intend to return in January for approval. Based on that, they seem to be pretty serious about the project. 

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12 minutes ago, cbussoccer said:

Proposed 11-story tower could add artistic flair to downtown Columbus

 

https://www.bizjournals.com/columbus/news/2019/12/18/proposed-11-story-tower-could-add-artistic-flair.html?iana=hpmvp_colum_news_headline

 

Below is an interesting comment relating the issue of the parking garage fronting Grant:

 

The developers intend to return in January for approval. Based on that, they seem to be pretty serious about the project. 

This makes me feel better. If they don’t do retail, as long as it’s covered with art it will look great. 

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I know the term 'set back' is a bit of a dirty word sometimes but I wouldn't mind a small setback of the garage (leaving the residences hanging over) then with some sort of courtyard elements to compliment the art. A wall, sidewalk side, is still a wall on such a long stretch. Even art wouldn't help the long street side of the Edward's project, or the front street parking canyon IMO. For all intents and purposes, a rotating artist series sounds like billboards to me. I'd rather see a permanent, dimensional, creative installation to cover the garage than rotating panels for artists. 

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51 minutes ago, DTCL11 said:

I know the term 'set back' is a bit of a dirty word sometimes but I wouldn't mind a small setback of the garage (leaving the residences hanging over) then with some sort of courtyard elements to compliment the art. A wall, sidewalk side, is still a wall on such a long stretch. Even art wouldn't help the long street side of the Edward's project, or the front street parking canyon IMO. For all intents and purposes, a rotating artist series sounds like billboards to me. I'd rather see a permanent, dimensional, creative installation to cover the garage than rotating panels for artists. 

It looks like the width of the parcel is about 122-126 feet. That is close to the minimum for a garage or about 2/3's of a quarter lot(which are 187.5 feet in most of downtown.)  I don't think they could go much thinner or have a setback here. That would be for a garage with two inside lengths for car parking, two lanes for driving on either side of them, and then two more car parking lengths on either side of those.  The Motorists garage along Oak is about 100 feet wide I think, but the spaces are all angled so it would cut down on the number of spaces if they did something like that. Probably more expensive to to have a cantilevered residential part also

 

Maybe they could have some nicer material facing this side like brick along with the rotating art?

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 I'd rather see a permanent, dimensional, creative installation to cover the garage than rotating panels for artists. 

I think something like this might work especially if it is along the pedestrian height level. Something with some interest for anyone walking by.

 

There also appears to be a nice line of trees along Grant right here-very close to the street. It would greatly help if they kept these and just trimmed the eaast sides of them as needed-the greenery/tree pattern would help.  

 

*Hello Great American Tower...good riddance nasty Rhodes Tower!  🙂

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On 12/17/2019 at 7:46 PM, Toddguy said:

So how much of this is about having an ugly open parking garage facing Grant? How much is about having something activated there(amenity space, office space, etc.). and how much is specifically about retail?

 

I know the "ground floor retail" is the go to phrase, but if we are talking about actual retail, it needs to be in nodes and along retail corridors downtown. How much does this stretch of Grant apply to that criteria?

 

I can get on board with not wanting dead blank spaces/walls/garages at ground level, but not so sure about "ground floor retail" specifically for every proposal. I would want retail more along Broad really. 

 

If you can't have actual "retail" along Grant, what reasonable alternative are there to just the dead space parking garage? And yeah, a long dead stretch of garage(especially the blank open concrete kind)is not a situation we need any more of downtown(or anywhere really).

 

 

I guess I am asking if people think that this is close enough to the stuff farther up Grant to be part of a node or is Grant considered a viable retail corridor?

 

*If every proposal has to have specifically "ground floor retail" then there will be a lot of empty ground floor retail around. 

I begrudgingly agree that not all proposals should have ground retail. I do wish there was a push from the city to encourage (or force) developers to building parking podiums that could be converted to future office/retail/residential space, like the Italian Village apts/garage. 

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49 minutes ago, FudgeRounds said:

I begrudgingly agree that not all proposals should have ground retail. I do wish there was a push from the city to encourage (or force) developers to building parking podiums that could be converted to future office/retail/residential space, like the Italian Village apts/garage. 

 

I also think people get bogged down in thinking of retail space only in terms of shops, but restaurant space would be far more likely to be used at this point in time.  Or even office space of some kind.  There is no reason to be building a dead-space parking garage all the way to street level anymore.  We know better than this and it keeps occurring.

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29 minutes ago, jonoh81 said:

 

I also think people get bogged down in thinking of retail space only in terms of shops, but restaurant space would be far more likely to be used at this point in time.  Or even office space of some kind.  There is no reason to be building a dead-space parking garage all the way to street level anymore.  We know better than this and it keeps occurring.

That is why I wish there was a better word than the go to phrase "ground floor retail", since what we really want is ground floor activation of some kind whether it be shops, restaurants, office space, amenity space for residents, etc.  Anything but a concrete parking garage or giant blank wall. Even if the ground floor has no activity it can be livened up with art, green living walls, etc. 

 

I guess I get a bit tired of people complaining about a lack of "ground floor retail" when it really is much more than just that.   Ground floor 'activation" maybe? ...I don't know. 

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3 minutes ago, DTCL11 said:

'Ground floor flex space'. Can be commerical, retail, restaurant, residential etc. 

That would do.  🙂   That would also include parking that can be converted. I think we should officially adopt this phrase.  I just could not think of a good one but this sounds good.

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There's more to blame than Amazon for not seeing as much retail space as in long-activated area -- there aren't things like hatters, butcher shops, shoe repair, flophouses, tailors etc. needed every three blocks like in the old days.

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Here's when Borror's biggest downtown project yet will open 

 

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The project includes 224 apartments and 15,000 square feet of commercial space and will be one of the largest residential projects in the Discovery District.

 

More below:

https://www.bizjournals.com/columbus/news/2020/01/08/heres-when-borrors-biggest-downtown-project-yet.html 

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On 12/19/2019 at 11:28 AM, GCrites80s said:

There's more to blame than Amazon for not seeing as much retail space as in long-activated area -- there aren't things like hatters, butcher shops, shoe repair, flophouses, tailors etc. needed every three blocks like in the old days.

 

I kinda wish I could time travel to this era and just stay there, lol.

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The Ohio Democratic Party building located at the northwest corner of Fulton Street and Grant Avenue is being purchased by Borror (aerial is below the article excerpt).  The block surrounding the building contains the Market Mohawk Apartments built in the 90's and the Commons at Grant residences built in the 00's are located across Grant Avenue from the building.  Also, considering that Borror has redeveloped the previous Ohio Democratic Party building at East State Street into 224-unit residential building, it seems that a Borror residential redevelopment at Fulton & Grant is likely in the future:

 


Borror to buy Ohio Democratic Party's downtown headquarters

 

The Ohio Democratic Party will sell its downtown headquarters to urban developer Borror for $2.7 million.  David Pepper, the state party's chairman, said the organization expects to close on the sale of the 13,300-square-foot building at 340 E. Fulton Street in January.  The property sits on the southern cusp of downtown near I-70 along a street that has seen recent roadwork.

 

Lori Steiner, president and COO of Borror, confirmed that the developer is under contract for the property, with the sale expected to close in 2020.  "Our team continues to explore all the possible alternatives for highest and best use of the site," Steiner said in an email.

 

The sale comes a little less than two years after party sold its 271 E. State Street building and co-located with the Franklin County Democratic Party in the Fulton Street building.  Borror also took control of that property, which is currently being redeveloped to an apartment complex.

 

MORE:  https://www.bizjournals.com/columbus/news/2019/08/28/exclusive-borror-to-buy-ohio-democratic-partys.html

 

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A political group have got themselves into debt? Shocking!

 

It will be interesting to see what Borror comes up with here. There is a ton of potential in this area of downtown in terms of surface lots or 1-2 story office buildings that can easily be demolished. 

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This part of downtown has always been strange to me. I can't really put a finger on it but I don't really like it. I hope some changes are in store.

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There are a couple more images from the CU Construction Roundup January 2020, but wanted to share the couple of images of the Topiary Park "brownstones" -- they have such a phenomenal presence and are going to even improve the environment of the park space. Fingers crossed for some really nice craftsmanship on the masonry and we have ourselves a home-run here 🤞

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On 1/15/2020 at 10:34 PM, jebleprls22 said:

There are a couple more images from the CU Construction Roundup January 2020, but wanted to share the couple of images of the Topiary Park "brownstones" -- they have such a phenomenal presence and are going to even improve the environment of the park space. Fingers crossed for some really nice craftsmanship on the masonry and we have ourselves a home-run here 🤞

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I want to buy one but if I remember correctly, they are apartments.. not condos.

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