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3 minutes ago, Brutus_buckeye said:

There is also something to be said that between the inner circles of Washington, Clinton and Bernie openly hated each other whereas Bernie has always liked Biden as a person. It is a lot easier to support his campaign when he genuinely likes the guy as a person vs how both Hillary and him hated each other.

 

Bernie did more campaign events for Hillary in 2016 than she did for Obama in 2008...


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16 hours ago, GCrites80s said:

Yeah people who defend our healthcare system mostly got a white-collar or skilled trade employer-sponsored plan right out of school and hasn't had to deal with anything else. Or their folks paid it.

I had a Cadillac plan my first year out of college. The reason for that is well, one I was a new grad, and so was most of the company, insurance is cheaper for them, and two we hadn't started this cost spiral that we've been in for a long time. Since then overall costs have gone up and plans get worse every other year. This is a trend everywhere.

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2 hours ago, DarkandStormy said:

 

Bernie did more campaign events for Hillary in 2016 than she did for Obama in 2008...

yet Hillary criticized him for his lack of efforts 2016. Not commenting on the accuracy of those criticisms, but there was apparently some bad blood between the two people. Obviously,  this is just reading some of the gossip columns in DC to get this but a bunch have said how Bernie liked Biden much better than Hillary from their time in the Senate. Personal feelings matter if that is in fact true.

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23 minutes ago, Brutus_buckeye said:

yet Hillary criticized him for his lack of efforts 2016

 

Wow a politician refusing to take personal responsibility for an electoral loss.  I'm shocked.

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9 hours ago, DarkandStormy said:

 

Look, if Chomsky and Bernie are telling leftists to support Biden...

Sure, if you're going to vote, then vote for Biden. Zero is greater than negative one.

 

But this entire Sanders endeavor shows the limits of electoral politics, especially at the federal level. Change is not coming from the top. If it's going to happen, it's coming from the bottom.

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"Life is 10% what happens to you and 90% how you respond." -- Coach Lou Holtz

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3 hours ago, KJP said:

 

 

This is the oligarchy strain of conservatism.   Trump is obviously trying to help out Putin and the Russian economy.   Sad!  

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2 hours ago, Cleburger said:

 

This is the oligarchy strain of conservatism.   Trump is obviously trying to help out Putin and the Russian economy.   Sad!  

No, this is how American capitalism has always operated. Republican and Democrat.

 

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International, Cashing in on All of the Above: U.S. Fossil Fuel Production Subsidies under Obama, demonstrates the huge and growing amount of subsidies going to the fossil fuel industry in the U.S. every year. In 2013, the U.S. federal and state governments gave away $21.6 billion in subsidies for oil, gas, and coal exploration and production.

The value of fossil fuel exploration and production subsidies from the federal government have increased by 45 percent since President Obama took office in 2009 – from $12.7 billion to a current total of $18.5 billion – a side effect of his Administration’s “All of the Above” energy policy that promotes the U.S. oil and gas boom and amounts to nothing less than climate denial.

 

http://priceofoil.org/2014/07/09/cashing-in-on-all-of-the-above-u-s-fossil-fuel-production-subsidies-under-obama/

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All of the countries here are capitalist, with large protective welfare systems in place.   THIS is what the USA should be striving for in the short term.  Not socialism.  Cut the military budget by 30% (spend it wisely) and you could afford much more for our people.  

 

 

 

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Are opponents really mystified as to why innovation flourishes in social democracies??

 

 


"Life is 10% what happens to you and 90% how you respond." -- Coach Lou Holtz

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On 5/9/2020 at 8:00 PM, KJP said:

Are opponents really mystified as to why innovation flourishes in social democracies??

 

 

The new Citations Needed episode talks about how the whole "innovation" metric is complete BS anyways. It's a marketing buzzword that became popular in the 80s and 90s and was useful for defending capitalism by holding up all the shiny new gadgets, while ignoring the actual widening inequality and deteriorating material conditions that affect far more people in a much bigger way.

 

 

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^I've been sarcastic about "innovation" since 1993 when Ameritech made a bunch of rhapsodic commercials about the internet, "Information Age" and the "Information Superhighway" like they won the internet already when almost nobody was using it especially outside of work. Probably only people from Columbus are going to remember the commercials. They were usually on during the news. Not on Youtube.

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