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My guess is that it's something that's simple to say, distinguishes the city at least a little bit, and doesn't take up much column space.  Like "capital of _______ province" or something similarly generic.

 

Just from memory, I don't recall foreign media doing that with respect to cities like Washington D.C. and NYC (I guess they assume everyone knows), but I think they might with respect to places like Houston.

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Yeah, I figured some of the largest cites like New York, Los Angeles, etc. wouldn't get that treatment, but I figured maybe some lesser known cities like Boston and San Diego could get it from other countries. And DC isn't really a port city, so I wouldn't expect it when talking about DC  :wink:

 

You never hear American media refer to really large, well known cities as "port city" like Amsterdam, Copenhagen, Stockholm, Barcelona, Hong Kong, Sydney, etc unless they are talking specifically about shipping. I think it's only used when most people don't really know where it is. I remember hearing it a lot when the media was covering Ukraine. The port city of Mariupol, Sevastopol, Odessa, etc. I just found it interesting.

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It's definitely because the majority of Americans have probably never heard of Tianjin let alone be able to locate it on a map.

 

It's interesting, cities that are a part of our rhetoric and are well known by basically everyone such as Amsterdam, Stockholm, Copenhagen, Oslo, Venice, Florence, etc. are significantly less important and significantly smaller cities than the endless large cities in China. China currently has 50+ regions of over 2,000,000 people. That's insane. Five of those are over 10,000,000 and the largest is about twice the size of the New York City Region. Yet if you asked the average person where Guangzhou is most would have absolutely no idea. Yet it's a region of 44,000,000 people. That's like California in one region with a couple other states tacked on for good measure.

 

The scale of cities in China is something that's hard to really fathom properly. I need to visit. Preferably when they're not exploding.

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The AP Stylebook dictates which American cities must be accompanied by their state.  AP Style is followed by most American newspapers but television and radio have been steadily drifting away from that standard in the decades since radio booths and TV studios were populated by transferred newspapermen.  I doubt that the AP Stylebook has any dictates for Chinese geography, and if it did, TV and radio sure as hell would be ignoring it.  I haven't looked at it in at least ten years so perhaps they have updated it. 

 

 

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Loved it. Both sides of the political spectrum like to find a boogeyman to blame everything on, especially rabid populist movements. China is the target du jour. I doubt we'd find many Americans who would rather have been born in China. Even among those Americans who take Mandarin in college and expatriate to China and are actually educated about the situation... I bet they're all glad they're American. China's just a good place to go to make money.

 

Technological advancement, more than anything, is the cause of our economic woes. And technological advancement certainly is a good thing... we just need to learn to manage certain aspects of it more.

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The point about the limits of the GDP stat is particularly relevant, because we're guilty of the same offense routinely here, albeit to a lesser extent.  If you spend $1 billion paying people to dig holes and fill them in again, you've still technically increased GDP by $1 billion as an accountant would measure it, but it is low-quality GDP that will not lead to follow-on economic activity.  This applies to both wasteful government spending based on either the pretext or the prayer that it will generate positive returns ("stimulus") as well as wasteful private spending (whether just to take advantage of tax advantages, or due to distorted credit or regulatory systems, or simply because people get caught up in the hysteria of a momentary fad ... Beanie Babies).  It's very easy to get caught up in the trap (I do it myself) of believing that GDP growth and economic growth are synonymous.  GDP is the closest readily-ascertainable metric we have to economic growth, but it is not quite the same thing, particularly when goosed by public or private actors that have an interest in making the stat misleading.

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Loved it. Both sides of the political spectrum like to find a boogeyman to blame everything on, especially rabid populist movements. China is the target du jour. I doubt we'd find many Americans who would rather have been born in China. Even among those Americans who take Mandarin in college and expatriate to China and are actually educated about the situation... I bet they're all glad they're American. China's just a good place to go to make money.

 

Technological advancement, more than anything, is the cause of our economic woes. And technological advancement certainly is a good thing... we just need to learn to manage certain aspects of it more.

 

China is an aristocracy.  The fact that communist rhetoric is now one of  the bases of this aristocracy is one of history's great ironies.  But once again, traditional Chinese viewpoints absorbed the invaders.

 

They have been willing to let a small middle class develop in order to gain power and influence for the nation.  But ultimately, they are about as interested in advancing the economic status of their masses as Americans are in adopting the principles of "Juche".

 

Americans in China have a special status.  As a Lois McMaster Bujold character once observed, "egalitarians adjust to aristocracies just fine, as long as they get to be the aristocrats."

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Neat #dataviz shows growth of cities w/500k pop from 1960 to 2030, when Asia will have most https://t.co/FijGiMHXYS https://t.co/bCdEWqZOgi


"Nearly every problem that we have in the USA -- unaffordable health care, prison overpopulation, hyper militarization, climate change, racism, gun violence, poverty, poor education, urban sprawl and others -- cannot be positively addressed because bribery and conflicts of interest are legal under campaign finance laws which protect the uber-wealthy and the narrow self-interests who grossly benefit from our afflictions."

 

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This ain't about the Phillipines....

 

U.S. ramps up military presence in Philippines, starts joint patrols in South China Sea

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/asia_pacific/us-ramps-up-military-in-philippines-starts-joint-patrols-in-south-china-sea/2016/04/14/5f312bc9-4cf8-4c44-902c-9a2861cc5386_story.html?tid=sm_tw


"Nearly every problem that we have in the USA -- unaffordable health care, prison overpopulation, hyper militarization, climate change, racism, gun violence, poverty, poor education, urban sprawl and others -- cannot be positively addressed because bribery and conflicts of interest are legal under campaign finance laws which protect the uber-wealthy and the narrow self-interests who grossly benefit from our afflictions."

 

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This thing is weak:

http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/A/AS_CHINA_AIRCRAFT_CARRIER?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2017-04-25-22-36-23

 

They hype this thing up in the headline but the fact is this is a 1950s-era aircraft carrier by U.S. standards.  We have 12~ nuclear-powered carriers with launch mechanisms launching the best aircraft in the world -- and lots of them. 

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^ Yeah China's first carrier was just a rebuild of an old, unfinished Soviet carrier and this one is just a carbon copy of that one. The real headline will be if they ever get their Type 002 working (which is based on the design of US carriers). They've been fumbling around with steam catapults since the 1980s, when they managed to get their hands on one off of an old Australian carrier that was supposed to be in a scrap yard. The lack of a catapult and flat runway limits flight operations quite a bit because the launch weight is much lower - so planes either end up with less fuel/range or fewer weapons.

 

But even when the Type 002 rolls out, it will already be behind the new US Gerald Ford Class carriers - which have moved past the old steam catapults to an electromagnetic launch system.

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How Do You Control 1.4 Billion People?China's social credit system, which becomes mandatory in 2020, aims to funnel all behavior into a credit score.

https://newrepublic.com/article/148121/control-14-billion-people


"Nearly every problem that we have in the USA -- unaffordable health care, prison overpopulation, hyper militarization, climate change, racism, gun violence, poverty, poor education, urban sprawl and others -- cannot be positively addressed because bribery and conflicts of interest are legal under campaign finance laws which protect the uber-wealthy and the narrow self-interests who grossly benefit from our afflictions."

 

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China is slamming $34 billion worth of US goods with tariffs. Here are the states that will be hurt the most.

http://www.businessinsider.com/trump-china-tariff-list-states-exports-losers-2018-6


"Nearly every problem that we have in the USA -- unaffordable health care, prison overpopulation, hyper militarization, climate change, racism, gun violence, poverty, poor education, urban sprawl and others -- cannot be positively addressed because bribery and conflicts of interest are legal under campaign finance laws which protect the uber-wealthy and the narrow self-interests who grossly benefit from our afflictions."

 

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China Is Treating Islam Like a Mental Illness

The country is putting Muslims in internment camps—and causing real psychological damage in the process.

http://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2018/08/china-pathologizing-uighur-muslims-mental-illness/568525/


"Nearly every problem that we have in the USA -- unaffordable health care, prison overpopulation, hyper militarization, climate change, racism, gun violence, poverty, poor education, urban sprawl and others -- cannot be positively addressed because bribery and conflicts of interest are legal under campaign finance laws which protect the uber-wealthy and the narrow self-interests who grossly benefit from our afflictions."

 

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China nabs 3 more countries in the Americas. DR, Panama, and El Salvador end relations with Taiwan and recognize China. They have major trade control over countries like Sri Lanka , Pakistan, Montenegro, Maldives, Djibouti.

 

Sri Lanka hands over port to China to pay off debt

Hambantota port was signed over to Beijing on a 99-year lease because Sri Lanka cannot repay Chinese loans it took out to build the port in the first place.

https://www.thenational.ae/world/asia/sri-lanka-hands-over-port-to-china-to-pay-off-debt-1.684606

 

Virtually all of the large infrastructure projects in sub Saharan Africa, Chinese engineering, construction, management.

They do things a lot differently than say Brazillian Oderbrecht. If you need a power plant built, Oderbrecht wins the bid (via bribes to politicians) and builds it. China basically buys into building all kinds of infrastructure, no bidding by outsiders. With something like a port, they build but also get a long term lease on the real estate, and that is for Chinese manufactured clothes, electronics, motorbikes etc., good luck parking your cargo ship there. They stay there manage and operate what they build. Probably a million Chinese living in Africa.

 

https://via.news/caribbean/china-invest-10-billion-dollars-dominican-republic/

 

Investment in Jamaica

https://www.caribbean-council.org/chinese-investment-jamaica-region-growing/

 

Creating or taking over mfg down there is a slick end around relative to the central american free trade agreement (cafta).

Exports to the USA, from multiple countries down there, are not taxed in the USA

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^ very slick of them. i wonder how long do these chinese in say africa stay chinese though?  the chinese i am familiar with in singapore, cuba and the usa for that matter, etc. are throughly of their country, not china. just like any immigrants. i guess it takes a few generations to pull away from the homeland. maybe waiting it out is in our favor to some extent?

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^ very slick of them. i wonder how long do these chinese in say africa stay chinese though?  the chinese i am familiar with in singapore, cuba and the usa for that matter, etc. are throughly of their country, not china. just like any immigrants. i guess it takes a few generations to pull away from the homeland. maybe waiting it out is in our favor to some extent?

If they can make money they will stay. Poorer Chinese go to backwater countries. The one's with money invest in the West or Australia, New Zealand. NZ just passed a law I think barring Chinese from buying real estate, they are driving the purchase price of a home sky high. South Africa is pretty chaotic and violent so they might be leaving there, however they are counted as Blacks there. Doesn't mean various tribes like them.

 

I guess as long as China gets the large infrastructure projects more will go there. The big deal is make enough money so you can get a Chinese woman to marry. Parts of Africa could kinda take off financially, Nigeria/Ghana. In Lagos there is a really large scale mixed use development under construction, Eko Atlantic. Then there are miles and miles and miles of shanytowns. Post Colonialism if you want to make money the MO is get into government, steal as much as possible then get to Europe. So much corruption LOL.

 

 

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^ very slick of them. i wonder how long do these chinese in say africa stay chinese though?  the chinese i am familiar with in singapore, cuba and the usa for that matter, etc. are throughly of their country, not china. just like any immigrants. i guess it takes a few generations to pull away from the homeland. maybe waiting it out is in our favor to some extent?

USA is a big goal for Chinese be that as an adult with money or to go an American university and stay and work here also. I think most become pro American pretty fast.

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I expect that at some point we'll have a showdown when China builds a military bases in one of these places. 

They tried to park a submarine in Sri Lanka but the government said no. I could see an African government inviting the Chinese military to come on over, if the money is good enough. The locals would have to be barking and rioting though.

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"Nearly every problem that we have in the USA -- unaffordable health care, prison overpopulation, hyper militarization, climate change, racism, gun violence, poverty, poor education, urban sprawl and others -- cannot be positively addressed because bribery and conflicts of interest are legal under campaign finance laws which protect the uber-wealthy and the narrow self-interests who grossly benefit from our afflictions."

 

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For what, Taiwan?

 

China's Xi calls on army to be battle-ready

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-china-military-idUSKCN1OZ041


"Nearly every problem that we have in the USA -- unaffordable health care, prison overpopulation, hyper militarization, climate change, racism, gun violence, poverty, poor education, urban sprawl and others -- cannot be positively addressed because bribery and conflicts of interest are legal under campaign finance laws which protect the uber-wealthy and the narrow self-interests who grossly benefit from our afflictions."

 

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While global deals, agreements, and accords typically exclude developing nations from environmental restrictions - we're seeing that those nations are in fact responsible for some of the world greatest environmental problems:

 

90 percent of ocean plastic waste comes from Asia and Africa

 

https://www.earth.com/news/ocean-plastic-waste-asia-africa/?fbclid=IwAR2XpTo_TqOvxYFAAetG_i6-Ao63ICmDaJ0eILv2DrhvTwEDcmDVY19KG1w

 

It’s been estimated that around eight million metric tons of plastic ends up in the world’s oceans each year, and now a new study shows that 90 percent of that can be traced back to ten major rivers in Asia and Africa.

 

The world’s plastic problem has quickly become a plastic crisis and around five trillion pounds of it is currently in the oceans.

 

The worst polluter was the Yangtze River in China, which sends 1.5 million tons of plastic to the Yellow Sea every year.

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A security expert told me that China has seven OSU-sized institutes that teach students how to hack computer systems and conduct technological espionage. So this would be no surprise....

 

 


"Nearly every problem that we have in the USA -- unaffordable health care, prison overpopulation, hyper militarization, climate change, racism, gun violence, poverty, poor education, urban sprawl and others -- cannot be positively addressed because bribery and conflicts of interest are legal under campaign finance laws which protect the uber-wealthy and the narrow self-interests who grossly benefit from our afflictions."

 

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The Chinese government blocked 17.5 million would-be plane passengers from buying tickets last year as a punishment for offences including the failure to pay fines, it emerged.

 

Some 5.5 million people were also barred from travelling by train under a controversial “social credit” system which the ruling Communist Party claims will improve public behaviour.

 

The penalties are part of efforts by president Xi Jinping‘s government to use data-processing and other technology to tighten control on society.

 

Human rights activists warn the system is too rigid and may lead to people being unfairly blacklisted without their knowledge, while US vice-president Mike Pence last year denounced it as “an Orwellian system premised on controlling virtually every facet of human life”.

 

Authorities have experimented with social credit in parts of China since 2014. Points are deducted for breaking the law, but also, in some areas, for offences as minor as walking a dog without a lead.

 

 

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/asia/china-social-credit-flight-travel-plane-tickets-xi-jinping-blacklist-a8792256.html?fbclid=IwAR19kzHUKkOravYWysga_YubmpTNK3SY1i5_Om9wxvGOmhkosgYzpbHkAQc

 

China....where social justice points actually matter!

 

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That's scary but it has nothing to do with economic systems.  Plenty of countries are able to combine socialism with democracy and free speech, the US being a prime example.  China has openly embraced capitalism but still opposes democracy.   This isn't a socialism issue, it's a free speech issue.

 

If America adopted China's social credit system today, wearing a MAGA hat would earn you bonus points while Colin Kaepernick would be screwed.  So I don't know where you're coming up with "social justice points."  That's not what China is talking about at all, instead they give you points for patriotism and support of the sitting government.

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China handles Tiananmen anniversary with usual silence

 

China imposed an information lockdown Tuesday on the 30th anniversary of its bloody crackdown on pro-democracy protesters at Tiananmen Square, a stark reminder that three decades later, the possibility of democratic change has all but evaporated.

 

Extra checkpoints and street closures greeted tourists who showed up before 5 a.m. to watch the daily flag-raising ceremony at the square in the center of Beijing.  People overseas found themselves blocked from posting anything to a popular Chinese social media site.  China has largely succeeded in wiping the events of June 3-4, 1989, from the public consciousness at home, where the anniversary of the crackdown passed like any other weekday.

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The seven-week-long Tiananmen Square protests and their bloody end, in which hundreds if not thousands of people are believed to have died, snuffed out a tentative shift in China toward political liberalization.

 

MORE:  https://www.apnews.com/41ae69ad893348d39e512d282390e826

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I mean, yeah, China's government is terrible.  But can we truly say democracy is better when we keep getting reminders that the public is dumb when it has power?  Trump, Brexit, AMLO... Hitler, for god's sake.  I don't think the problem is necessarily communism or democracy or socialism or monarchy... none of them work very well because they're still all implemented by people.  And people suck.

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By total chance, one of the four organizers of the student protest, Gao Xin, was my landlord when I lived in Boston 2001-02.  He and his wife were very nice people and lived on the top floor of the 6-unit triple decker that they owned.  I didn't know at the time that he was involved in such a big event, so I missed the chance to ask him anything about it.  

 

Here is the building - he renovated the front porch into a "Chinese" porch some time before we moved in, and it appears to still be there:

https://www.google.com/maps/@42.3689208,-71.0977978,3a,75y,263.42h,104.29t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1stzFtmSXrRLuZ4y4VN7Wv0A!2e0!7i16384!8i8192

 

He is the one on the left with the pink striped shirt.  

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"Nearly every problem that we have in the USA -- unaffordable health care, prison overpopulation, hyper militarization, climate change, racism, gun violence, poverty, poor education, urban sprawl and others -- cannot be positively addressed because bribery and conflicts of interest are legal under campaign finance laws which protect the uber-wealthy and the narrow self-interests who grossly benefit from our afflictions."

 

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No telling how this Hong Kong issue will be resolved, but long-term, China's prospects are not good thanks to their rapidly aging population.  Taking care of their elderly population - which will dwarf the baby boomers - will create a huge strain on their workforce since the only-child rule was only recently relaxed.  

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China was able to keep a very tight lid on the use of force during the Tiananmen Square protests. If not for one of the greatest photos/videos of all time (tank man), the event itself might have been downplayed even more. If similar events should unfold in Hong Kong, I wonder what the rest of the world will see. I'm sure China can shut down cell service and all internet services in most of the country with the click of a few buttons, but they may struggle in Hong Kong itself. Even if it can be effectively shut off communication wise, there's still the fact that almost everyone has a camera (or two) on them at all times and memory cards are smaller than a fingernail.

 

Incidentally, I was planning a trip to Hong Kong next month but have been waiting to buy the plane tickets to see how this would pan out. We're going to Seoul instead.

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Why are so many leaders such small-d**ked, insecure men who need constant praise and promote endless stupidity, violence and military tantrums when they can't have their way?  More importantly, we do we support these useless people?  The US, Brazil, Mexico, UK, Turkey, Philippines, Russia, China, Israel... pretty much all of the Middle East and most of Africa... the list goes on and on.  Humans are dumb.

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Trump's tariffs are light sanctions.  If the EU and U.S. applied big-time sanctions in response to any big-time violence that might erupt in Hong Kong, the Beijing regime would collapse in short order. 

 

My gut feeling is that the US could much better weather an extended near-total blockage of Chinese trade than could China.  It would cause a lot of damage to the U.S. economy, to be sure, but the U.S. was functioning just fine without China as a major trading partner until 10-15 years ago. 

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Ironically, Google had outages in the USA today. Perhaps China responded....

 

 


"Nearly every problem that we have in the USA -- unaffordable health care, prison overpopulation, hyper militarization, climate change, racism, gun violence, poverty, poor education, urban sprawl and others -- cannot be positively addressed because bribery and conflicts of interest are legal under campaign finance laws which protect the uber-wealthy and the narrow self-interests who grossly benefit from our afflictions."

 

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Despite the typically verbose article, the New York Times still fails to see that this meme is anything but a racist, alt-right hate symbol:

 

Hong Kong Protesters Love Pepe the Frog. No, They’re Not Alt-Right.

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/08/19/world/asia/hong-kong-protest-pepe-frog.html

 

The situation in Hong Kong has, in many ways, served as a good reminder of the difference between freedom loving folks fighting against oppression, and people wishing to oppress fighting against freedom. Nothing could be as good a symbol for this as the images of those in Hong Kong waving American flags, while American protestors like Antifa wave flags bearing the symbols of the very ideology that those risking their lives for freedom are fighting against:

 

 

Hong-Kong-1024x510.jpg

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On ‎8‎/‎13‎/‎2019 at 4:02 PM, jmecklenborg said:

No telling how this Hong Kong issue will be resolved, but long-term, China's prospects are not good thanks to their rapidly aging population.  Taking care of their elderly population - which will dwarf the baby boomers - will create a huge strain on their workforce since the only-child rule was only recently relaxed.  

Was having the same conversation with a relative that does a lot of business in China. Pretty much he feels China is F***ed. With the one child policy for so long (and even though it was relaxed it takes a while to really change a lot) and the propensity to favor boys over the girls, you have a U shaped population curve that is heavy on males (which does not do well for reproduction). Couple that with an infrastructure that is poorly built and you have a paper tiger.

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2 hours ago, Brutus_buckeye said:

Was having the same conversation with a relative that does a lot of business in China. Pretty much he feels China is F***ed. With the one child policy for so long (and even though it was relaxed it takes a while to really change a lot) and the propensity to favor boys over the girls, you have a U shaped population curve that is heavy on males (which does not do well for reproduction). Couple that with an infrastructure that is poorly built and you have a paper tiger.

 

Apparently there are 120 boys for each 100 girls from age 1 up to 30 or 40 because so many people keep choosing to abort daughters.   It has been "outlawed" since 2004 but keeps happening. 

 

The big problem with having just one child -- and that child being a son -- is that he can't be expected to be pulled away from work and providing for his own family in order to take care of his elderly parents.  With women it's a bit more feasible since there is less expectation for women to work constantly throughout their adult lives. 

 

With larger families -- say one with 2 sons and 2 daughters -- one of the daughters will likely be able to take on the role of taking care of the elderly parents or a chronically ill sibling. 

 

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^ Even without the one child policy, the population has been conditioned for so long to only have one and only have a boy. The fact that China has forever changed its economy from agricultural to factory and tech means more people now move to the cities driving up prices and cost of living. Even the young people who do marry, the cost of living is so expensive they cannot afford to start a family and if they do, having 2 kids is a luxury at that point.

 

Look at the most expensive cities in the US and I bet they also have the lowest birth rates too.

 

So even if policy in China has changed on the kid front, the structural societal changes have offset this and will continue to exacerbate the problem. In the next 10-15 years there is going to be a huge reckoning in China.

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