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Conversion of downtown office building underway as developer tries 3rd time for tax credit

 

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A developer has started converting a historical downtown Cincinnati office building into apartments as it works for the third time to get a state tax credit to help complete the project.

 

The Provident Building, located at the corner of Seventh and Vine streets in downtown Cincinnati, is being converted to 160 apartments. Pearl Cos. purchased the building in March 2018 for $6.75 million.

 

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https://www.bizjournals.com/cincinnati/news/2019/04/02/exclusive-conversion-of-downtown-office-building.html


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The amount of material thrown out of this building has been unbelievable. They have been in full-ass demo mode for over a month now, and they still are filling dumpsters as I type this. They must be doing a full interior gut of the building, and they recently started removing windows as well.

 

With this project and the two hotel projects at 7th and Race I think 7th street is going to be a really nice street in a few years. It already has a very urban canyon feel, probably second only to 4th Street in downtown, and a fair amount of businesses and street life. Hopefully as these vacant buildings fill up something will finally infill those surface lots at 7th and Vine.

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14 minutes ago, Chas Wiederhold said:

One of the best parts of running the Flying Pig is running the 7th Street canyon.

Agreed. I love that part of the run.

 

7th Street is 4-lanes wide all the way until you hit Walnut where there's a bumpout next to the Aronoff, and then 1 more bumpout at Main. I'd like to see a bunch more bumpouts added at all the intersections, ideally at all/most corners. Remove the rush hour restrictions for onstreet parking, make the curb lanes permanent parking with bumpouts... and the sidewalks will be much more welcoming to pedestrians since you won't have cars whizzing by at 30+ mph just a foot from the curb. 

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49 minutes ago, jwulsin said:

Agreed. I love that part of the run.

 

7th Street is 4-lanes wide all the way until you hit Walnut where there's a bumpout next to the Aronoff, and then 1 more bumpout at Main. I'd like to see a bunch more bumpouts added at all the intersections, ideally at all/most corners. Remove the rush hour restrictions for onstreet parking, make the curb lanes permanent parking with bumpouts... and the sidewalks will be much more welcoming to pedestrians since you won't have cars whizzing by at 30+ mph just a foot from the curb. 

 

I walk 7th every day, morning and evening. This project has removed a lane for months now and there has been zero additional congestion. It is free flowing most of the time and the rush hour peak is business as usual. Could definitely use a road diet. 

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There are a LOT of downtown streets that would benefit from a diet. But as @taestell points out, I wouldn't expect anything great to happen under Cranley's leadership. 

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The urban core must pay so the suburbanites can play!


“All truly great thoughts are conceived while walking.”
-Friedrich Nietzsche

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1 hour ago, taestell said:

Unfortunately that won't be happening as long as this guy is in charge:

 

 

"accessible" = accessible to motor vehicles

That is an absolutely embarrassing comment.  Go be the mayor of some podunk city in Iowa or a boring suburb with that attitude.  Can't wait until he's out of office. 

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On the bright side, at least he is finally admitting that downtown is the economic engine that powers (subsidizes) the other neighborhoods. I don't think I've ever heard him say that out loud prior to this comment.

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1 hour ago, Cincy513 said:

That is an absolutely embarrassing comment.  Go be the mayor of some podunk city in Iowa or a boring suburb with that attitude.  Can't wait until he's out of office. 

 

Easy now, I'm from Iowa! LOL, that said, it is pretty crazy how much more progressive Des Moines, Cedar Rapids and Iowa City are compared to Cincinnati.

 

In Cedar Rapids, they have recently converted all their downtown streets from 1-way to 2-way, installed a protected bike path along with other bike paths, and have used traffic calming like bumpouts throughout the downtown. Though it's a small city, still pretty impressive.

 

Before:

 

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After:

 

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Yeah, Iowa has always had a little progressive attitude going on.  That statement with the word "Kansas" instead would've been more accurate.

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^I agree. The area of Cedar Rapids-Iowa City Corridor, which is basically a metro area together of about 400,000 if that, is even in deep talks about adding dedicated busses between the two cities (about 25 miles apart) to help with commuters between the two areas, and I think they actually launched a pilot program. We could be doing so much more in Cincy but it's just.... a lot different.

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13 hours ago, ColDayMan said:

Yeah, Iowa has always had a little progressive attitude going on.  That statement with the word "Kansas" instead would've been more accurate.


Hey now, I went to school at Kansas State! There's definitely areas of good progressivism in Kansas. Lawrence and Greensburg are a couple examples. Also, their recently elected and openly gay Representative Sharice Davids. To me, more accurate examples of "podunk" cities are in West Virginia, Alabama, Arkansas, etc. Then again, somewhere like Florence, Alabama is even too good to deserve Cranley as mayor...

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Council Democrats nix plan for Millennium Hotel task force

 

Cincinnati City Council Democrats voted down a motion to have Mayor John Cranley appoint a task force led by Councilwoman Amy Murray to deal with the owners of the Millennium Hotel downtown.

 

Democrats P.G. Sittenfeld, Greg Landsman, Chris Seelbach, Wendell Youngand Tamaya Dennard voted against the motion at Wednesday night's council meeting. Republicans Murray and Jeff Pastor, Democrat David Mann and Vice Mayor Christopher Smitherman, an independent who sponsored the motion, voted for it.

 

Smitherman called the vote “a possible missed opportunity.”

 

"The Millennium Hotel has had issues, clearly,” Smitherman said. “We were in a unique position where one of our colleagues has a unique skillset that could be incredibly helpful in bringing us closer together with the owners. I have tremendous confidence in Councilmember Murray.”

 

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https://www.bizjournals.com/cincinnati/news/2019/04/04/council-democrats-nix-plan-for-millennium-hotel.html

 

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^ That's a shame. I thought most of the city was in agreement that the Millennium is a massive liability. It seems like something the mayor and council and urbanites alike could all agree on.

 

It should be, but we all know what the vote was actually about.

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That was a joke of a "task force" anyway. That's committee work that can be, and will be, done in committee. Amy already is the chair of the Economic and Growth committee. If she didn't need a "task force" for the streetcar project she "managed" from committee then she doesn't need one for the Millenium. Besides, that's what we have paid, professional economic development staff for.

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What would the benefit of a "taskforce" have been? I don't mean to be snarky, I just don't know what taskforces are allowed to do that a committee can't.

 

 

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1 hour ago, jwulsin said:

What would the benefit of a "taskforce" have been? I don't mean to be snarky, I just don't know what taskforces are allowed to do that a committee can't.

 

 

 

It's like the Space Force. 

 

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Surprisingly I've never been to the convention center before until today. Here are my observations...

 

1. The convention center looks sooo dated. Literally feels like 1980s inside. Desperately need a remodel. Even the extior looks drab and boring. So many cities have more up-to-date convention centers. Cincy shouldn't be lagging this far behind in that area.

 

2. The Millennium Hotel is an ugly hotel building. Please demolish it. 

 

3. The Hyatt that's connected to Saks... Again such drab 80s architecture. Just ughhhhhhh

 

4. In fact the immediate area around the convention center is so ugly. Parking garages galore..not even the good looking kind, just straight up garages that feel like they are crumbling on the inside. Then there are the immediate small story office parks leased by pure romance and such. Who in the hell thought this was a good idea? Looks like a building designed for west Chester and planted in the urban core!

 

4. Everything is so dead around the convention center. It doesn't make sense! You have so many events that are bringing tourists! Why isn't there retail, cafes, resturaunts, etc? There is so much pedestrian traffic coming in an out of the hotels that the city can't even attract a damn Starbucks surrounding the convention center?

 

 

In the end, this whole stretch needs massive urban renewal and revisioning. There should be a ton of mixed use commercial/residential in place of those garages at the very least.

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15 hours ago, Ram23 said:

^ That's a shame. I thought most of the city was in agreement that the Millennium is a massive liability. It seems like something the mayor and council and urbanites alike could all agree on.

 

It should be, but we all know what the vote was actually about.

 

The vote was not about the condition of the Millennium. It was about the creation of a new unaccountable task force led by Amy Murray. This project, like every other project in the city, should interface with a council committee, not a special "task force".

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14 hours ago, troeros said:

Surprisingly I've never been to the convention center before until today. Here are my observations...

 

1. The convention center looks sooo dated. Literally feels like 1980s inside. Desperately need a remodel. Even the extior looks drab and boring. So many cities have more up-to-date convention centers. Cincy shouldn't be lagging this far behind in that area.

 

2. The Millennium Hotel is an ugly hotel building. Please demolish it. 

 

3. The Hyatt that's connected to Saks... Again such drab 80s architecture. Just ughhhhhhh

 

4. In fact the immediate area around the convention center is so ugly. Parking garages galore..not even the good looking kind, just straight up garages that feel like they are crumbling on the inside. Then there are the immediate small story office parks leased by pure romance and such. Who in the hell thought this was a good idea? Looks like a building designed for west Chester and planted in the urban core!

 

4. Everything is so dead around the convention center. It doesn't make sense! You have so many events that are bringing tourists! Why isn't there retail, cafes, resturaunts, etc? There is so much pedestrian traffic coming in an out of the hotels that the city can't even attract a damn Starbucks surrounding the convention center?

 

 

In the end, this whole stretch needs massive urban renewal and revisioning. There should be a ton of mixed use commercial/residential in place of those garages at the very least.

Convention center isn't terrible yes it's post modern exterior but it's definitely not the worst in comparable cities. 

The Millennium complex has a ton of potential and demo/rebuild would be well outside ROI for a city our size.

The Hyatt has done amazing steps the past couple years of fully remodeling the property and has become the premier large hotel in the city.

Be happy those ugly parking garages are around it right now, that is the area where to convention center will expand and they aren't landlocked in and unable to enlarge if they want to.

Pure Romance building use to be Delta's largest call center in the nation so it was a boon in the 90s for the city to get that investment downtown when built. 

The only major eye sores in the convention center area is Convention place complex SW corner of Fifth and Elm, and the old racquetball complex at the NE corner of Sixth and Elm.

I think you need to realize our size of convention center only commands certain conventions at the moment and the push for investment around the area isn't attractive yet. That doesn't mean the CVB and Port aren't working on new hotel and plans for convention center expansion. Because those are both in the works.

 

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13 hours ago, taestell said:

 

The vote was not about the condition of the Millennium. It was about the creation of a new unaccountable task force led by Amy Murray. This project, like every other project in the city, should interface with a council committee, not a special "task force".

 

There are plenty of task forces for project specific work like this. There's one for the Court Street pedestrian conversion, for example. This vote wasn't about the task force it was about who was on the task force.

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So the city has filed a lawsuit claiming the Terrace Plaza is a public nuisance and has now filed a separate nuisance lawsuit over the Millennium Hotel, just a week after proposing a new "task force" to interface with the Millennium's owners. And at the same time David Mann is pushing forward a new ordinance to tax AirBNBs. Something is clearly going on behind the scenes with regards to the construction of a new convention center hotel and/or the redevelopment of those two older hotels, and the developers are pulling the strings of the mayor and council. The Business Courier notes that a "local entity is considering an investment in the [Millennium] hotel" but doesn't give more details than that.

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26 minutes ago, Ucgrad2015 said:

It's expansion space for the convention center to keep a continuous rectangular convention floor. Hotel goes on the block south of convention center, on fifth between Plum and Elm

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2 hours ago, savadams13 said:

It's expansion space for the convention center to keep a continuous rectangular convention floor. Hotel goes on the block south of convention center, on fifth between Plum and Elm

 

Any clue or speculation towards what brand the new convention center hotel might be?

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14 minutes ago, troeros said:

 

Any clue or speculation towards what brand the new convention center hotel might be?

Omni is being the most aggressive of major hotel chains building convention center hotels (Louisville, OKC)  I doubt Marriott and Hilton covering the city would add an additional property. Loews and Intercontinental would be the other two brands with interest in large room convention properties

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4 hours ago, savadams13 said:

It's expansion space for the convention center to keep a continuous rectangular convention floor. Hotel goes on the block south of convention center, on fifth between Plum and Elm

 

So Sixth street essentially gets "capped" by the expansion from Central Avenue to Elm Street? That's already the most pedestrian-hostile section of our CBD, might as well go all in...

 

None of the hotel chains have a "signature" brand hotel here (JW Marriott, Conrad, Park Hyatt), so that could be a logical choice for a convention center hotel.

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39 minutes ago, Brutus_buckeye said:

I thought the convention hotel was supposed to be on the 5th street lot the Port just bought

Yes that's on fifth Street between Plum and Elm.

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1 hour ago, taestell said:

 

So Sixth street essentially gets "capped" by the expansion from Central Avenue to Elm Street? That's already the most pedestrian-hostile section of our CBD, might as well go all in...

 

None of the hotel chains have a "signature" brand hotel here (JW Marriott, Conrad, Park Hyatt), so that could be a logical choice for a convention center hotel.

Yeah the original idea was to go west but the interstate realignment is probably decades off. It's not great idea going across Sixth street but brings the convention center layout design similar to Louisville who moved the main convention floor to second floor and expanded it over a couple streets and city blocks

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I hate the convention center.  It kills that whole area.  In my ideal world they would tear down the current one, reconnect Plum, let 3CDC do their thing to reinvigorate the area.  Then partner with the casino, add another floor to the casino which would be the convention center.  Then at least we could have only one giant ugly building that would be 2 stories, instead of 2 giant ugly 1 story buildings.  

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6th st between Elm and Central is completely dead at street level since the convention center has no entrances and the north side of the street is all parking garages. Philadelphia's convention center has a few caps (over 12th and 13th streets). The design mostly works out, but it creates challenges since the covered streets end up being defacto homeless shelters: https://www.google.com/maps/@39.9547205,-75.1593037,3a,40.7y,243.46h,89.93t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sXbgSijP3jyuu6Br1nf7a7g!2e0!7i16384!8i8192

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Huh, I never even realized Richmond Street was a thing.  Down by the fire museum one older sign (on a beautiful old light pole) says Richmond Avenue.  It must've been something interesting back in the day, since the building in the real estate ad had a storefront.  There's not much left for the two blocks that are actually a street instead of an alley, but there's hints that other buildings put a good face towards it.  

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