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32 minutes ago, edale said:

"Negotiating Lease for Fortune 100 Retailer"..... aka a fu**ing Amazon distribution center. Not even back office jobs, just another distribution center like what is opening in Monroe. Biz Courier really overhyped this one.

 

Two different, unrelated stories. The downtown CVS and the Kettering Business Park site are owned by two different Cincinnati developers (Flaherty & Collins and TW Development, respectively). 

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2 hours ago, taestell said:

There was a fire at 312 Plum this morning causing the building to be evacuated. I hope there wasn't too much damage. That building was just renovated within the past couple of years.

 Looks like there is mostly smoke damage to the building. SHP Design is in the building and posted they were allowed to go back in and work. So i assume all is fine, plus the lunch lobby wasnt cancelled today. 

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6 hours ago, BigDipper 80 said:

 

Two different, unrelated stories. The downtown CVS and the Kettering Business Park site are owned by two different Cincinnati developers (Flaherty & Collins and TW Development, respectively). 

 

The headline of this article is "Cincinnati developer negotiating lease for Fortune 100 e-retailer ", and it's referring to the Kettering Business Park that will become an Amazon distribution center. Also, Flaherty and Collins is not a Cincinnati developer- I think they're based in Indy. They are, however, developing 4th and Race, and I believe they are trying to rehab the Terrace Plaza hotel.

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52 minutes ago, edale said:

 

The headline of this article is "Cincinnati developer negotiating lease for Fortune 100 e-retailer ", and it's referring to the Kettering Business Park that will become an Amazon distribution center. Also, Flaherty and Collins is not a Cincinnati developer- I think they're based in Indy. They are, however, developing 4th and Race, and I believe they are trying to rehab the Terrace Plaza hotel.

No Tony Birkhla from Indy was trying to rehab the Terrace Plaza before the previous owner sold it out from under him while under contract for purchase. Flaherty and Collins reps have already said they won't be doing anymore work in city of Cincinnati same with Millhaus developers.

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18 minutes ago, savadams13 said:

No Tony Birkhla from Indy was trying to rehab the Terrace Plaza before the previous owner sold it out from under him while under contract for purchase. Flaherty and Collins reps have already said they won't be doing anymore work in city of Cincinnati same with Millhaus developers.

 

Who can blame them? 4th and Race has been a complete fiasco from the beginning, and Millhaus was treated extraordinarily badly by the city. They won the RFP to develop market rate housing on the lot next to City Hall, only to have that taken away from them by some good ol' Cincinnati nepotism which awarded the land to Cincinnati Public Radio. If PG Sittenfeld ever runs for Mayor, I hope people call him out on that stunt. We practically begged out of town developers to come to Cincy in the Mallory administration, and then when they showed interest and came to town, they got run through the ringer. Imagine being Millhaus and spending all that time and money to design a project, win the RFP, and then have it all taken away from you at the last minute for some stupid homer project. They weren't even asking for a subsidy! Same thing happened with Promo West and concert venue at The Banks. Columbus company wants to develop something positive in Cincinnati, only to be chased out by defensive, myopic locals. It's stuff like this that makes me think the city will never really turn the proverbial corner. It's much too incestuous and skeptical/hostile to outsiders. 

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1 hour ago, edale said:

 

The headline of this article is "Cincinnati developer negotiating lease for Fortune 100 e-retailer ", and it's referring to the Kettering Business Park that will become an Amazon distribution center. Also, Flaherty and Collins is not a Cincinnati developer- I think they're based in Indy. They are, however, developing 4th and Race, and I believe they are trying to rehab the Terrace Plaza hotel.

I mixed up FDP Cincinnati Inc with Flaherty & Collins, because the FDP folks are run by a David Flaherty. Anyway, I was referring to this article, which also refers to a Fortune 100 company at the CVS and is distinct from the Kettering Business Park article. The article you linked always mentioned that it was a project destined for Kettering, not Cincinnati. 


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^ Yes, it always mentioned it was going to Kettering. I wasn't confused with the Downtown CVS site. I was merely saying the article makes a big deal of calling it a "lease for a fortune 100 retailer", but it's just another distribution center, which is really not that big of a get in the grand scheme of things.  Greater Cincinnati is getting one of those near the airport in Kentucky and one in Monroe. They're crap jobs that don't pay well, and will probably be fully automated as soon as Bezos can figure out how to do so. 

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Ah, gotcha. Wasn't sure if you were mixing up the two articles, but it looks like it was me just putting too much thought into it! I'd agree, warehouse jobs really aren't great and it's worrisome how quickly a lot of communities in Ohio have been to cash in on them. They're most likely just a "quick hit", not any sort of good long-term solution. 


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A lot of the B2B and large-item warehouses seen in Groveport such as Whirlpool and Kubota are long-term, but things like Amazon and some apparel warehouses can see their companies become uncool at any time.

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2 hours ago, edale said:

 

Who can blame them? 4th and Race has been a complete fiasco from the beginning, and Millhaus was treated extraordinarily badly by the city. They won the RFP to develop market rate housing on the lot next to City Hall, only to have that taken away from them by some good ol' Cincinnati nepotism which awarded the land to Cincinnati Public Radio. If PG Sittenfeld ever runs for Mayor, I hope people call him out on that stunt. We practically begged out of town developers to come to Cincy in the Mallory administration, and then when they showed interest and came to town, they got run through the ringer. Imagine being Millhaus and spending all that time and money to design a project, win the RFP, and then have it all taken away from you at the last minute for some stupid homer project. They weren't even asking for a subsidy! Same thing happened with Promo West and concert venue at The Banks. Columbus company wants to develop something positive in Cincinnati, only to be chased out by defensive, myopic locals. It's stuff like this that makes me think the city will never really turn the proverbial corner. It's much too incestuous and skeptical/hostile to outsiders. 

Exactly the current administration is playing the whole, "pay to play" scenario and becoming hostile toward out of town money. This is a reason why our city will continue to he outpaced by cities like Nashville and Columbus. We continue to only look inward and not outward. Our ideas are small not big. That conservative idealogy is strangling the big potential that could be downtown.

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^It's because local developers donated big to Cranley.  They paid relative pennies to have the city set up sweetheart deals for them.  That's why they had 700WLW and the Enquirer endlessly harass Mallory and then Qualls. 

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12 hours ago, savadams13 said:

No Tony Birkhla from Indy was trying to rehab the Terrace Plaza before the previous owner sold it out from under him while under contract for purchase. Flaherty and Collins reps have already said they won't be doing anymore work in city of Cincinnati same with Millhaus developers.

 

I'm trying to piece this together re. Terrace Plaza. Birkhla is still trying to get the Terrace signed over to him and I think on this one at least Cranley seems to back them getting the building and redeveloping how they came out with the renderings. I say that because Cranley came out with a smear campaign (rightfully so) of the current owners.

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5 hours ago, IAGuy39 said:

 

I'm trying to piece this together re. Terrace Plaza. Birkhla is still trying to get the Terrace signed over to him and I think on this one at least Cranley seems to back them getting the building and redeveloping how they came out with the renderings. I say that because Cranley came out with a smear campaign (rightfully so) of the current owners.

Cranley is only doing this now because of Batsakes space. Yes, its an institution in this city, but fact of the matter is the mayor was inconvenienced from getting his weekly shoe shine and that is why he is showing he has a spine again. At the end of the day none of his players want the Terrace Plaza. If 3CDC or North American wanted the building, you better believe he would have acted harshly when the sale of the building debacle happened last summer.  

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On 2/1/2019 at 12:26 AM, jmecklenborg said:

^It's because local developers donated big to Cranley.  They paid relative pennies to have the city set up sweetheart deals for them.  That's why they had 700WLW and the Enquirer endlessly harass Mallory and then Qualls. 

 

Developers don't really look at each other as competitors. That mean's they're all buddy buddy and share ideas and techniques with each other all the time. It also means that even if Cranley is a crappy part-time developer he still gets to run in their circle -- doubly so now since he's the mayor.

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Didn't see a thread for this building, but the building that housed the former McHahn's store at the corner of Seventh and Race is now undergoing interior demolition. It will become a TownePlace Suites by Marriott. It is catty corner to the Jeweler's Exchange building that is also being converted into a hotel. This is going to be a busy corner!

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Yeah I live across the street from both of these buildings and can confirm work is progressing.  The Jewler's Exchange/former Payless has been getting demoed for weeks now and they seem to be close to finished.  The former McHan's building just started demo recently.  It's great to see some work being done at both of these buildings since there wasn't really anything for months after the hotels were announced.  Just adding Butcher and Barrel greatly helped to liven up our corner.  When these hotels go in it's going to make a huge difference.  

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Cincinnati Bell and the parking garage across the street do a tremendous job of sucking the life out of this part of downtown. Hoping that these hotel developments may push the Shillito project forward and continue to move west. Another potential catalyst for this part of downtown is a two-way protected bike lane connecting Central Parkway to the Ohio River Trail. I think Randy Simes proposed this idea a while ago and I think about it all the time, living off Elm and walking and biking to my gym on 4th almost daily.

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30 minutes ago, Chas Wiederhold said:

Another potential catalyst for this part of downtown is a two-way protected bike lane connecting Central Parkway to the Ohio River Trail. I think Randy Simes proposed this idea a while ago and I think about it all the time, living off Elm and walking and biking to my gym on 4th almost daily.

 

Would love to see this happen. I guess we'll have to wait until Cranley is gone. 

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I work in this building, and I know for sure the new owners are kicking out every tenant by November 2019. The new owners plan to convert the building from class C office to 12 stories of luxury apartments. Personally I think it's a bad idea , and I would convert the building to class B office imho

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14 hours ago, cin614 said:

I work in this building, and I know for sure the new owners are kicking out every tenant by November 2019. The new owners plan to convert the building from class C office to 12 stories of luxury apartments. Personally I think it's a bad idea , and I would convert the building to class B office imho

 

Responding to another thread about this...

 

Converting existing Class-A-B-C(D-E-F-G...) Office into Residential or Hotel is the ONLY way Cincinnati will ever get a new office tower without some out-of-cincinnati corporation moving their HQ's to town. There are way more buildings that should be converted to Residential or Hotel. Textile, Carew, PNC, Cincinnati Bell, that awesome art deco tower at Race and Ogden (name?), all of Hamilton County's downtown buildings except for the Courthouse.

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Our client, Sheal Becker sold it and supposedly obtained the agreement that it would always be called the Becker Building. He handled that on his own. There was a plaque down on 4th St. for a while. We were on a run. There was the Cincinnati Terminal Warehouse, the  SOmethingorother Shoe Bldg on Pike St. and the Becker Building all in one year. We made a fortune in fees. The only business in the Becker Building was Scarborough Fashions (little girls smocked dresses) and there were at least 6 vacant floors.

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The former Wendy's location, 220 E Fourth St., is under renovation. No indication of what might be going in there.


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7 minutes ago, Cygnus said:

The former Wendy's location, 220 E Fourth St., is under renovation. No indication of what might be going in there.

 

OurHealth expands into Cincinnati - Cincinnati Business Courier 

https://www.bizjournals.com/cincinnati/news/2019/02/08/primary-care-clinic-expands-into-cincinnati.html?ana=e_ae_set1&s=article_du&ed=2019-02-08&u=rUmErdL%2BHIqM7KA%2FhBPGREhNT%2BC&t=1549661242&j=86561991

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"Someone is sitting in the shade today because someone planted a tree a long time ago." - Warren Buffett 

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Replacing a fast food restaurant that I visited often with a medical/health office seems like the universe is trying to tell my fat @$$ something.

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"Someone is sitting in the shade today because someone planted a tree a long time ago." - Warren Buffett 

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Dog park, yoga lawn coming to downtown apartment buildings

 

The owners of four downtown Cincinnati apartment buildings are adding a new amenity that is expected to be unique in the city.

 

This rendering shows the large yoga lawn and dog park that is being built at Saint Xavier Park in downtown Cincinnati.

 

More below:

https://www.bizjournals.com/cincinnati/news/2019/02/26/exclusive-dog-park-yoga-lawn-coming-to-downtown.html

 

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Stett Logistics is moving from their current office in Fort Mitchell to 110 E 8th St in downtown. Not a huge company (23 people), but always good to see growing companies choose to move to downtown. 

 

https://www.bizjournals.com/cincinnati/news/2019/03/06/exclusive-one-of-cincinnati-s-largest-logistics.html?iana=hpmvp_cinci_news_headline

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https://www.bizjournals.com/cincinnati/news/2019/03/07/city-council-texts-allege-that-kmk-consulting-ceo.html?fbclid=IwAR0Lh2Oa2Gq55FoSwpMZ8mOIYKUpakgaS72vOxIhh4OSEV02CBnwqg9SJf4

 

Other Sittenfeld/Seelbach texts discuss another allegation by Black, which he disclosed to council, that Cranley sought to steer a major redevelopment project to a company that had held a fundraiser for him. Their texts came on April 18, hours after Black decided to make the allegation public. Cranley has never publicly addressed the specifics of the allegation other than to say that he acted ethically and transparently. 

 

Black’s allegation was based on a conversation he said he had with the city’s then-economic development director, Oscar Bedolla. Black alleged that Bedolla told him a lobbyist for a company seeking the air rights over the Town Center Garage across Central Parkway from Music Hall had told Bedolla “what was really going on” was that the firm’s owner had held a fundraiser for Cranley in 2016 and that Cranley had promised him the air rights. Bedolla has declined to comment on Black’s recollection of the conversation over the past 11 months, but the lobbyist, Jim Benedict, has denied the conversation took place. 

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Coming soon: Lytle Park renovations

 

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Major changes are coming to Lytle Park in the southeast part of downtown Cincinnati after the city’s Historic Conservation Board approved a plan by the Cincinnati Board of Park Commissioners on Monday. 

 

The changes will include

New street furniture and amenities

Rubberized exercise track

New play equipment

Replacement of trees and planting of new trees and landscaping

Realignment of walkways

A new fountain

New fences and walls

Signage around the fountain and retention of the historic Lytle Park sign

Movement of the location of a statue of Abraham Lincoln closer to Fourth and Ludlow streets.

 

More below:

https://www.bizjournals.com/cincinnati/news/2019/03/12/coming-soon-lytle-park-renovations.html


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With all the conversions of class B/C office going on lately downtown and Western Southern making moves on the Eastern Side of downtown, you would think another office tower would be in the works soon, especially by W&S. Their HQ is a dump and as they raise their corporate profile more, it would make sense that they would want a bit more of a downtown showpiece. to attract talent, etc.

 

Also, you would think something is going ot happen at Fountain Sq West soon.

 

Just speculation of course

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46 minutes ago, Brutus_buckeye said:

With all the conversions of class B/C office going on lately downtown and Western Southern making moves on the Eastern Side of downtown, you would think another office tower would be in the works soon, especially by W&S. Their HQ is a dump and as they raise their corporate profile more, it would make sense that they would want a bit more of a downtown showpiece. to attract talent, etc.

 

Also, you would think something is going ot happen at Fountain Sq West soon.

 

Just speculation of course

Not really speculation John Barrett has been on the record of wanting to develop that area. I believe they want to own /have access rights for the park.  Making it their own p&g park.  

https://www.bizjournals.com/cincinnati/morning_call/2015/09/john-barrett-lays-out-plans-for-the-future-of-one.html

 

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Well, it certainly seems like W&S has been playing the long game getting all of the pieces in place for a new tower. Their long battle to evict the Anna Louise Inn and turn that building into a hotel, turning Lytle Park into their own little quad, demolishing those historic home on Arch Street...

 

Someone recently suggested to me that W&S will likely wait until the next economic downturn and then pounce on the opportunity to build their new tower while materials and labor costs are lower.

 

If I could choose one or the other, though, I'd definitely prefer a new office tower at Fountain Square West that puts more jobs right into the heart of the urban core.

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^ As far as FSW and Lytle Park area. I believe you could support towers on both spots. W&S could fill a tower on their own. 5/3 would probably fill another or Kroger or a number of other companies looking for downtown space.

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8 minutes ago, taestell said:

Oh, I have no doubt that they have the new tower fully designed and are just waiting for the right moment to pounce.

 

they have stated in the past, first the hotel gets finished, then the park, then they build a new garage and then they build the new tower. 

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I think they've been working on that hotel since I moved here in 2013, no joke, that was one of the first things I remember in the news was the Anna Louise Inn getting moved.

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