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That's the one thing the Ohio Democratic party did well last year, at least in Cincinnati.  They were very aggressive in making sure voters knew which judges to vote for (since they don't have a D or R next to their names).  Lots of people don't do their homework on the judges and either skip them or vote for the better name.

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"Most of us have been conditioned to regard military combat as exciting and glamorous -- an opportunity for men to prove their competence and courage. Since armies are legal, we feel that war is acceptable; in general, nobody feels that that war is criminal or that accepting it is a criminal attitude. In fact, we have been brainwashed. War is neither glamorous nor attractive. It is monstrous. Its very nature is one of tragedy and suffering" --Dalai Lama

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"Most of us have been conditioned to regard military combat as exciting and glamorous -- an opportunity for men to prove their competence and courage. Since armies are legal, we feel that war is acceptable; in general, nobody feels that that war is criminal or that accepting it is a criminal attitude. In fact, we have been brainwashed. War is neither glamorous nor attractive. It is monstrous. Its very nature is one of tragedy and suffering" --Dalai Lama

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4 minutes ago, DarkandStormy said:

GOP: No dancing (AOC), no singing (Bernie)

 

Mehhhhhh, I had more of an issue with Bernie wanting to take a trip to the Soviet Union than I did with him singing. 

 

FWIW, AOC's dance was fantastic - a true tribute to Breakfast Club

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Bernie. is. the. worsttttttttt. 

 

Want to know how the Dems can blow 2020? By each candidate trying to out-liberal each other to win out the Bernie-Bro populist mouth-breather base who continue to threaten to throw their weight behind another candidate

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I think Bernie's chances are much slimmer than last year. The Bernie effect won't be as big in my opinion.

 

Last election cycle he was the foil to Clinton. Anyone who didn't like Clinton, didn't trust her, or just wanted someone else could support him. This year there's going to be a very open primary with lots of candidates. I don't think he's going to command the national attention that he did in the past.

 

And he was largely a one-issue candidate - wealth is too concentrated at the top. I agree, but he seemed to look at every issue through that lens, and I think with more people running he will be ignored a lot more than in the past.

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I don't care much for Bernie's politics, but love how he stirs up the DNC pot.

 

I think there is a growing voice in Gen Y that expects to be taken care of and coddled by the gov't.  This could be a by-product of new social norms, the result of being supported by parents longer, the lack of income to get out on their own etc., but the voice is growing in volume and Bernie speaks to it.

 

If it weren't for DNC antics in 2016, Bernie would most likely be president.

 

If dems are going to beat out orangeman with somebody other than Bernie, they will need to figure out how to run a candidate that will respect certain aspects of free markets and individual sovereignty without ushering in a new era of socialism.  

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7 minutes ago, tklg said:

I don't care much for Bernie's politics, but love how he stirs up the DNC pot.

 

I think there is a growing voice in Gen Y that expects to be taken care of and coddled by the gov't.   There is a growing air of entitlement felt by Gen Y, being three decades removed from the threat of Communism, living during a prosperous period, and yet being the least dynamic and productive generation born in the 20th century. This could be a by-product of new social norms, the result of being supported by parents longer, the lack of income to get out on their own etc., but the voice is growing in volume and Bernie speaks to it.

 

If it weren't for DNC antics in 2016, Bernie would most likely be president.

 

 

 

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26 minutes ago, tklg said:

I don't care much for Bernie's politics, but love how he stirs up the DNC pot.

 

I think there is a growing voice in Gen Y that expects to be taken care of and coddled by the gov't.  This could be a by-product of new social norms, the result of being supported by parents longer, the lack of income to get out on their own etc., but the voice is growing in volume and Bernie speaks to it.

 

If it weren't for DNC antics in 2016, Bernie would most likely be president.

 

If dems are going to beat out orangeman with somebody other than Bernie, they will need to figure out how to run a candidate that will respect certain aspects of free markets and individual sovereignty without ushering in a new era of socialism.  

 

This just sounds like more "damned kids" nonsense that has literally been said about every single younger generation for... ever.  Is there any actual evidence that Y is inherently any different than past generations in terms of motivation?  Because what I see is a Boomer-built economy that craps all over them every single day.  Where school is out of reach due to cost.  Where raising a family needs 2 or more jobs for every adult.  Where reliable, long-lasting careers are scarce at best.  Where they have seen the housing market wiped out.  Where the retirement age steadily moves further away.  Where Social Security won't be waiting for them.  Where income hasn't kept up with inflation.  Where even service jobs are under threat by automation.  Where nothing is certain economically or socially.  And then waking up every day and having to hear how lazy and entitled you are. 

Bernie isn't going to fix any of that.  He had his 15 minutes and I hope he quickly falls out during the campaign. 

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23 minutes ago, YABO713 said:

There is a growing air of entitlement felt by Gen Y, being three decades removed from the threat of Communism, living during a prosperous period, and yet being the least dynamic and productive generation born in the 20th century.

 

This entire (incorrect) take relies on the premise that previous generations haven't totally and completely bankrupted the country, consolidated wealth and power to the top 0.1% leading to further income and class inequality.  Skyrocketing healthcare costs, skyrocketing costs for college tuition, a housing crisis created by previous generations who wanted to coast on an unsustainable financial model, parents who had it easier than their children (now turning into adults) precisely because they put the financial cost on their children's generation (and beyond), etc. etc.

 

I don't see a sense of entitlement or a lack of "dynamics" in millennials, Gen Z (whatever you want to call them) - and if you're talking about the participation trophy generation, who decided to give out those trophies?  It certainly wasn't the kids paying for them, asking for them - I see a generation who saw their parents grow up having it easier than they do now because they lived through a different set of circumstances in their 20's and 30's than the current generation.  I see a generation who recognizes the current inequality and consolidation of wealth is about as extreme as it has ever been.  I have friends who are grinding it out on their own because the "get a college degree and you'll be set" model didn't work for them, largely because the Financial Crisis had downstream impacts on the workforce.  In fact, nearly all of my friends and colleagues who are working in the post-Financial Crisis era are the opposite of entitled because they have seen what happens when you live an entitled life (say, their parents pre-2008). 

 

None of my friends have a pension.  None of my friends are planning to have Social Security - whether or not that will be the case, every single millennial I know is planning for a future without it.  The only people I know taking climate change seriously enough to move closer to work to avoid driving, driving electric vehicles, changing their diet, etc. are millennials.  All the boomers I know personally (I know there are some out there who take it seriously) feel entitled to drive their gas guzzlers and live in big houses in the suburb and don't feel "dynamic" enough to change anything about their personal lives to try to avoid the very environmental catastrophes coming that they helped contribute to.  I could go on and on.

 

But if we're talking about an "entitled" generation, we should be talking about the one(s) who helped get us into these economic and environmental messes largely because they punted on any real solutions for decades, both making it worse for future generations and leaving the mess to them to fix.

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1 hour ago, YABO713 said:

 

Mehhhhhh, I had more of an issue with Bernie wanting to take a trip to the Soviet Union than I did with him singing. 

 

FWIW, AOC's dance was fantastic - a true tribute to Breakfast Club

 

No surprise though that Bernie wanted to take a trip to the USSR..that video is bizarre; where was it 2016?  Didn't need it since the DNC took care of The Bern with other tactics.

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Just now, Oxford19 said:

 

No surprise though that Bernie wanted to take a trip to the USSR..that video is bizarre; where was it 2016?  Didn't need it since the DNC took care of The Bern with other tactics.

 

I actually think the fact that the video didn't surface in 2016 is proof that Bernie wasn't as up against it as people think

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Just now, YABO713 said:

^ Yeah, the world is out of control and unsustainable under capitalism and free markets...

 

 

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Actually the world needs more democracies, capitalism, and free markets.  What would you replace it with?

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Just now, YABO713 said:

 

I actually think the fact that the video didn't surface in 2016 is proof that Bernie wasn't as up against it as people think

 

and without any allegations of colluding with Gorbachev...

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^^I'm agreeing with that @Oxford19 ... There is a direct correlation between these numbers and countries like India, Ghana, and even China to an extend embracing principles of Western Liberal democracies. 

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25 minutes ago, DarkandStormy said:

 

This entire (incorrect) take relies on the premise that previous generations haven't totally and completely bankrupted the country, consolidated wealth and power to the top 0.1% leading to further income and class inequality.  Skyrocketing healthcare costs, skyrocketing costs for college tuition, a housing crisis created by previous generations who wanted to coast on an unsustainable financial model, parents who had it easier than their children (now turning into adults) precisely because they put the financial cost on their children's generation (and beyond), etc. etc.

 

I don't see a sense of entitlement or a lack of "dynamics" in millennials, Gen Z (whatever you want to call them) - and if you're talking about the participation trophy generation, who decided to give out those trophies?  It certainly wasn't the kids paying for them, asking for them - I see a generation who saw their parents grow up having it easier than they do now because they lived through a different set of circumstances in their 20's and 30's than the current generation.  I see a generation who recognizes the current inequality and consolidation of wealth is about as extreme as it has ever been.  I have friends who are grinding it out on their own because the "get a college degree and you'll be set" model didn't work for them, largely because the Financial Crisis had downstream impacts on the workforce.  In fact, nearly all of my friends and colleagues who are working in the post-Financial Crisis era are the opposite of entitled because they have seen what happens when you live an entitled life (say, their parents pre-2008). 

 

None of my friends have a pension.  None of my friends are planning to have Social Security - whether or not that will be the case, every single millennial I know is planning for a future without it.  The only people I know taking climate change seriously enough to move closer to work to avoid driving, driving electric vehicles, changing their diet, etc. are millennials.  All the boomers I know personally (I know there are some out there who take it seriously) feel entitled to drive their gas guzzlers and live in big houses in the suburb and don't feel "dynamic" enough to change anything about their personal lives to try to avoid the very environmental catastrophes coming that they helped contribute to.  I could go on and on.

 

But if we're talking about an "entitled" generation, we should be talking about the one(s) who helped get us into these economic and environmental messes largely because they punted on any real solutions for decades, both making it worse for future generations and leaving the mess to them to fix.

 

From what I've gathered, US higher-ed institutions play a strong role along with social media in the recent shift in the need to feel coddled.  Needing to feel coddled fits naturally fits within a socialized political system where gov't is designed to "take care of people". 

 

Unfortunately, the people getting "taken care of" are the select few designing the social morals, norms and policies.

 

This is a huge problem for future politics and economy given the many documented failures of socialized governments.

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20 minutes ago, tklg said:

I don't care much for Bernie's politics, but love how he stirs up the DNC pot.

 

I think there is a growing voice in Gen Y that expects to be taken care of and coddled by the gov't.  This could be a by-product of new social norms, the result of being supported by parents longer, the lack of income to get out on their own etc., but the voice is growing in volume and Bernie speaks to it.

 

If it weren't for DNC antics in 2016, Bernie would most likely be president.

 

If dems are going to beat out orangeman with somebody other than Bernie, they will need to figure out how to run a candidate that will respect certain aspects of free markets and individual sovereignty without ushering in a new era of socialism.  

 

No way would Bernie Sanders have beat Trump in '16.

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Just now, YABO713 said:

^^I'm agreeing with that @Oxford19 ... There is a direct correlation between these numbers and countries like India, Ghana, and even China to an extend embracing principles of Western Liberal democracies. 

 

Especially China.  Communism/Socialism not good...

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6 minutes ago, Oxford19 said:

 

No way would Bernie Sanders have beat Trump in '16.

 

Well if Hillary Clinton beat trump in 2016 (technically), I strongly believe Bernie would have likely won. Especially when you consider places like Michigan, where the vote was so close and Clinton showed no interest in campaigning there. 

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30 minutes ago, YABO713 said:

^ Yeah, the world is out of control and unsustainable under capitalism and free markets...

 

 

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That's pretty disingenuous.  First, we're talking about the US, not the world.  Life expectancy has dropped, at least.  Second, 2008 was heading into one of the worst economic downturns of the modern era.  Most metrics have improved since then.  That doesn't make the underlying economic reality changes of the past 40 years non-existent. 

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9 minutes ago, YABO713 said:

^^I'm agreeing with that @Oxford19 ... There is a direct correlation between these numbers and countries like India, Ghana, and even China to an extend embracing principles of Western Liberal democracies. 

 

The same China that no longer has free elections and is steadily marching into dictatorship? 

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Just now, YABO713 said:

 

I actually think the fact that the video didn't surface in 2016 is proof that Bernie wasn't as up against it as people think

 

No one  actually needed to see this weird video of the '88 version of The Bern with drunken Soviets to know what he is really all about.

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Just now, jonoh81 said:

 

The same China that no longer has free elections and is steadily marching into dictatorship? 

The reply does say ''to an extent'', not that China has embraced democracy.  The Chinese Communists do like capitalism though, at least, for now. I've always considered China to be a dictatorship anyway.

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Because of the boomers and Gen X, millennials and Gen Z are now:

- saddled with college debt well into their 30s

- unable to purchase homes (see above)

- have lower net worths than previous generations 

- less likely to out earn their parents

- spend more on childcare 

- wealth inequality is growing 

 

All while millennials are, contrary to the popular narrative, harder working than boomers and Gen X by the data. So I wouldn’t say we’re “entitled” but we do think our parents have F’ed up the way things work yeah.

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2 minutes ago, Enginerd said:

Because of the boomers and Gen X, millennials and Gen Z are now:

- saddled with college debt well into their 30s

- unable to purchase homes (see above)

- have lower net worths than previous generations 

- less likely to out earn their parents

- spend more on childcare 

- wealth inequality is growing 

 

All while millennials are, contrary to the popular narrative, harder working than boomers and Gen X by the data. So I would say we’re “entitled” but we do think our parents have F’ed up the way things work yeah.

 

Which is why the millennial attraction to socialism is so popular and politics realize this and are catering to it.  It's a dangerous time for US politics and the dems need to get their act together in a non socialized manner to defeat any GOP candidate. 

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Just now, tklg said:

 

Just one of the many polls suggesting Sanders had the edge https://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2016/may/29/bernie-sanders/bernie-sanders-says-he-polls-better-against-donald/

 

Guess we'll never know how true they were.

We won't know, but I don't believe Sanders would have beat Trump regardless of this May 2016 article.  The ''articles'', opinions, media, and experts all predicted HRC so any of these ''poll'' stories are to be taken well, for what they are.

 

Hillary did to The Bern in '16 what Obama did to her in '08.  Although in both situations, HRC was the most ''qualified'' Democrat.

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2 hours ago, YABO713 said:

Bernie. is. the. worsttttttttt. 

 

Want to know how the Dems can blow 2020? By each candidate trying to out-liberal each other to win out the Bernie-Bro populist mouth-breather base who continue to threaten to throw their weight behind another candidate

 

You're a Republican who doesn't like Trump, so of course you want a moderate, centrist Democrat to win. I don't know if that is what actual democrats want, and we saw in 2016, and countless other times, the Democratic Party cannot rely on people like you flipping their allegiances. Republicans would rather vote for a candidate like Trump, and then complain incessantly about him, than vote for a Dem. So, I think Democrats need to find a candidate who 1) has sound policy objectives, and 2) can excite the base and get them to turn out. 

 

Primaries always push candidates more to the ideological poles, and they usually come closer to the center as the general election moves forward. Other than his age, I have no problem with Bernie entering the race. I don't think he will the nomination, but his candidacy will at least keep Democrats honest and will advance the narrative of economic inequality, climate change and the need to get serious about the dire ecological issues facing the planet, racial justice, etc. I want to see a Democratic candidate who acknowledges that this country is by and large falling apart due to the interests of a very small minority. In 2020 we will be reeling from the most corrupt and criminal administration in US history, and we will need someone to not only unite us, but lead us in a new direction. I'm not sure who I support yet- much too early to tell, but I appreciate Bernie's candidacy and wish his campaign well. 

 

I'm not sure why Mr. "I'm gonna move to Canada" @KJP is posting smear videos of Bernie. Based on your posts, I'd have thought he'd be your guy, or at least someone who's ideas you support. I'd expect Ram or EVD to post that video, not you. 

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5 minutes ago, tklg said:

 

Which is why the millennial attraction to socialism is so popular and politics realize this and are catering to it.  It's a dangerous time for US politics and the dems need to get their act together in a non socialized manner to defeat any GOP candidate. 

I don't understand this:

Socialism is becoming more and more popular, which is why Democrats need to stop moving in that direction if they want to defeat the GOP?

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11 minutes ago, jonoh81 said:

 

The same China that no longer has free elections and is steadily marching into dictatorship? 

 

China is by no means a model of Western norms, but they have opened up economic opportunity and investment to lower and middle classes, and that has helped spur the largest upward mobilization of a class in history - granted they had roughly 700 million people living on under a dollar a week in 1990, so in many ways, its like when the guy that weighs 400 lbs loses 50 lbs in a month. But yes, China is at its core an autocratic BS machine that affords minimal individual liberties. 

 

Nonetheless, it's hard to ignore the integration of free market principles in places like India and some West African nations with their emerging middle classes. Then compare Venezuela, Vietnam, Laos, and Cuba to a country like China, who kept the dictatorship but opened markets to a limited extent.  

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Just now, Enginerd said:

Because of the boomers and Gen X, millennials and Gen Z are now:

- saddled with college debt well into their 30s

- unable to purchase homes (see above)

- have lower net worths than previous generations 

- less likely to out earn their parents

- spend more on childcare 

- wealth inequality is growing 

 

All while millennials are, contrary to the popular narrative, harder working than boomers and Gen X by the data. So I would say we’re “entitled” but we do think our parents have F’ed up the way things work yeah.

But if one is ''entitled'', and you're saying millennials are, then the credibility of saying your parents have f'd up the way things work is negated.  What you can blame your parents' for though is creating ''entitled'' and sensitive people.

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