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As a black human being, this angers me to a level that I can't explain! This beautiful young lady has been permenantly changed, physically and I'm sure; mentally. Wow!

 

Did you guys here her say that she has no hate in her heart? This is truly amazing! I write a lot. I have written many articles on the subject of racism. There is one thought that comes to mind.

 

Eventually and inevitably, there will be very few pure Black, White, Asian, Hispanic or any other race. Inter-racial mixing is a reality. It is and has been happening for a very long time. It will continue and increase. If this world continues to exist, which is in question in my mind, most every person on this planet will eventually be mixed with one or more races. Not in our life time or our childrens' but generations down the line will see few people who are purely one race. I wonder if people will resort to hating certain combinations of races? Does the planet have to get attacked by aliens in order for us to unite as one people?

 

I have a tremendous erge to slip into a philisoghical brain dump, do I will try to stop here. I will end by saying, that I love all people regardless of anythings that is not evil. And it is incomprehensible how someone could do something like this to someone simply because his woman was dating a person of another race. This is unbelievable!

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I'm just curious. How many of you guys have ever dated out of your race and how many have thought about it but decided not to for one reason or another? For those that have, I'm interested in hearing what the circumstances were and how did things work out between you two, family, friends and employment, etc.

 

Also, is anyone against it? And is anyone dedicated to their own race or to another race, as far as dating or relationships go? Is anyone currently attracted to a person of another race?

 

In other words, I want to talk about race relations for a while. I'm interested in seeing how we all feel about each other in 2008.

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I'm just curious. How many of you guys have ever dated out of your race and how many have thought about it but decided not to for one reason or another? For those that have, I'm interested in hearing what the circumstances were and how did things work out between you two, family, friends and employment, etc.

 

Also, is anyone against it? And is anyone dedicated to their own race or to another race, as far as dating or relationships go? Is anyone currently attracted to a person of another race?

 

In other words, I want to talk about race relations for a while. I'm interested in seeing how we all feel about each other in 2008.

Interesting question.  I've never thought about, EVER!  I know what I'm physically attracted to.  I've seen men of other races that I thought were attractive, but I've never been physically attracted to them.  Although I'm PR, I don't date Latino men. :x :whip: :x  I like my men like I like my coffee, straight up strong & Black!  :wink:

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Eastlake man pleads guilty to shooting black man for being with a white woman

Posted by mmartin October 02, 2008 09:53AM

 

Man held on $250,000 bond in 'racially-motivated' shooting

 

 

PAINESVILLE -- Leroy Strickland, 29, of Eastlake, faces up to 23 years in prison for shooting a man in a confrontation with racial overtones.

 

Strickland, who is white, pleaded guilty Wednesday in Lake County Common Pleas Court to attempted murder for shooting James Reddick, an 18-year-old black man who was with a white woman.

 

http://blog.cleveland.com/metro/2008/06/man_held_on_250000_bond_in_rac.html

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^ That's crazy. As a white male, I am encouraged to see interracial couples, whether the male is white or black. It tells me that they have decided to make their relationship public in the face of a racist world.

 

On a side note, a black male/white female couple doesn't even get a second thought as it's too common. What will stand out (not as in stand out because it's not right, just not as common) is a white male with a black female.

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^MTS, that article made me so angry.

 

In 1997, Strickland was convicted and sentenced to two years in prison for the attempted rape of a 12-year-old girl.

 

Alright, give this guy life. Attempted rape of a child plus attempted murder means this guy should pay dearly.

 

On a side note, a black male/white female couple doesn't even get a second thought as it's too common. What will stand out (not as in stand out because it's not right, just not as common) is a white male with a black female.

 

It's because it's nowhere near as common. Interracial dating does not have parity between the genders. There are various double standards depending on gender and race. Statistically, Asian men have it hardest of anyone. Anyway, here's how it breaks down:

 

African-American and White relationships

When African-Americans and Whites marry, there is 2.65 times more likely to be an African-American husband and a white wife. In fact, 73 percent of all African-American and White marriages have this setup.

 

Asian and White relationships

When Asians and Whites marry, the situation is nearly reversed. In these marriages, it is 3.08 times more likely for the husband to be White and the wife to be Asian.

 

African-American and Asian relationships

These marriages are still fairly rare. When these couples do marry, it’s 6.15 times more likely that the husband will be African-American and the wife Asian.

 

Hispanic Relationships

When Hispanic men and women decide to marry someone of a different race, the difference between men and women is nearly equal. Eighteen percent of Hispanic wives are married to a non-Hispanic man. On the flip side, 15 percent of Hispanic men have a non-Hispanic wife.

 

In marriages involving Hispanics and Whites, it is 1.17 times more likely that the wife is Hispanic and the husband is White than the other way around.

 

http://dating.lovetoknow.com/Statistics_on_Interracial_Relationships

 

Of course, all these stats look at marriage, not just sex, which may reveal different findings (actually, it'd probably be the same, but amplified since you're far more likely to have sex with someone than to marry them). One could argue Black men have an advantage when marrying white women, White men have an advantage when marrying Asian women, and Hispanics actually have gender parity. But who you marry may not always be who you prefer to hook-up with most. For example, lots of women love to have sex with "bad boys", but end up marrying a more stable nerd. It happens all the time.

 

It all comes to down to standards of beauty and what you consider "sexy." Media can play a big role in shaping these perceptions of desirability in just about everybody, as does your childhood.

 

And also, much of a person's desire to date certain races is expected. People have "types," (or fetish) a set of physical features they find most attractive. This bias will lead them to certain races more than others. If you are into chicks with blonde hair and blue eyes, you're going to find that most women with those features are white. Dating blonde white chicks doesn't make you a racist. It would just mean those features sexually excite you.

 

I'm into prominent noses and dark almond eyes, and that tends to make me biased towards Middle Eastern girls (or any group where those features are more common). Some features are more common in certain races and ethnicities than others. You can't really control what you find attractive. I know I can't help it. I personally tend to find Arab and Persian girls more attractive than other girls. Give me Vanessa Lengies or Elissa Khoury over anyone. It's not a rule by any means, since other groups can have the features I like too, it's just my favorite features are a rule of attraction ("type"). In terms of sex, dating, and marriage, people cannot control what they want. Your sexual urges will overcome everything.

 

The problem is when biases in sex and marriage start becoming biases elsewhere. Just because you prefer to have sex with white women doesn't mean white women should be given favor in promotions or landing jobs. Interracial dating and marriage does not make a fair, color blind society. Fair societies have equal economic political, social, and educational oppurtunities. THAT would make a fair society. Anyone who thinks interracial dating/sex/marriage would lead to a better society is being very naive. You can maintain all the injustice in the world while having sex and marrying people outside your race. Look at Brazil. Sometimes, interracial dating/marriage can just solidify a power differential and merely represents the fetishization of the "other," meaning exploiting for sex. There are many people in this country and countries all over the world who date outside their race because that's merely "conquering" new ground. It has nothing to do with equality or a desire for a more fair world. I personally know white racists who date outside their race just for power and because of the "taboo".

 

Long story short, don't expect interracial dating to solve any societal ills. That's being too shallow and "putting the P on the pedastal."

 

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Interesting stats in regard to "mixed race" dating.

 

My dad is American black and my mom is PR.  Noticeably, all most all of my female cousins on my mothers side of the family are married to black men.  One being black & Asian and the other being black & white.

 

On my fathers side cousin is married to white/black women and one is married to a Croatian.

 

I think black men/white women relationship are more prevalent, especially in these "baller" days.  There are lots of white women married to black athletes, artists, entertainers, etc.

 

Your discussion on likes and dislikes are on point.  I personally wont date Latino men and I'm not at all attracted to light skin men.

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I don't find black women attractive at all unless they're mixed with white. The woman has to be really exceptional for me to want to date outside my race. I'd date a Brazilian or Sicilian girl instantly though.

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I don't find black women attractive at all unless they're mixed with white. The woman has to be really exceptional for me to want to date outside my race. I'd date a Brazilian or Sicilian girl instantly though.

we'll Italians are white (Caucasian), so thats not a stretch.

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I know everyone considers Mediterranian people white; personally I think theres a pretty big difference between mediterranian people and anglo-saxons.

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I know everyone considers Mediterranian people white; personally I think theres a pretty big difference between mediterranian people and anglo-saxons.

 

Yeah, they have some African in them!

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LOL

 

I didn't know that about her boyfriend. Putting that redneck sh!t on his facebook. Palin's son in law is straight out of the trailer park. I bet everyone in his trailer park is shooting out babies left and right too; everyone wants that 2k per family member per year oil divident check.

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Well, we all know some Africans are white!

 

cleopatra.jpg

 

 

Lawd! 

 

 

yeah i know.... :roll:

 

....but still its true....when you get down to it we're all africans.

 

now can't we all just...umm, go eat a cookie?  :laugh:

 

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yeah i know.... :roll:

 

....but still its true....when you get down to it we're all africans.

 

now can't we all just...umm, go eat a cookie?  :laugh:

 

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Well, we all know some Africans are white!

 

cleopatra.jpg

 

Especially if they're Macedonian.  BTW, the real Cleopatra wasn't exceptionally beautiful according to contemporary accounts.  She was incredibly charming and intelligent, however.  And reputedly voracious, of course.

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I don't find black women attractive at all unless they're mixed with white. The woman has to be really exceptional for me to want to date outside my race. I'd date a Brazilian or Sicilian girl instantly though.

 

This is an interesting statement. Are you saying that you have never seen a black woman that was attractive to you? If you are, I find that hard to believe. I am black and I find black women extremely attractive, but I have had girlfriends of other races (White, Phillipino, mixed, etc.). This is because I can't think of one single race of women that I haven't seen some extremely attractive women of. I have seen extreme beauty and sexuality in every race. Most men I have talked to have expressed that, as well. I can think of several black women that I don't know a man alive that could truthfully say wasn't absolutely beautiful and sexy. I'm talking about black as black can get.

 

Are you sure what you said is true? Or are you generalizing and saying, that as a whole, you don't find most black women attractive, but you have seen some?

 

I'm also interested in what other men and women have to say on this, as well.

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I don't find black women attractive at all unless they're mixed with white. The woman has to be really exceptional for me to want to date outside my race. I'd date a Brazilian or Sicilian girl instantly though.

 

This is an interesting statement. Are you saying that you have never seen a black woman that was attractive to you? If you are, I find that hard to believe. I am black and I find black women extremely attractive, but I have had girlfriends of other races (White, Phillipino, mixed, etc.). This is because I can't think of one single race of women that I haven't seen some extremely attractive women of. I have seen extreme beauty and sexuality in every race. Most men I have talked to have expressed that, as well. I can think of several black women that I don't know a man alive that could truthfully say wasn't absolutely beautiful and sexy. I'm talking about black as black can get.

 

Are you sure what you said is true? Or are you generalizing and saying, that as a whole, you don't find most black women attractive, but you have seen some?

 

I'm also interested in what other men and women have to say on this, as well.

 

well i don't really have anything to say about it mr. master as i 100% ditto your opinion. cue up that prince song 'the most beautiful girl in the world' and call me jesus -- i love'm all.

 

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I don't find black women attractive at all unless they're mixed with white. The woman has to be really exceptional for me to want to date outside my race. I'd date a Brazilian or Sicilian girl instantly though.

 

This is an interesting statement. Are you saying that you have never seen a black woman that was attractive to you? If you are, I find that hard to believe. I am black and I find black women extremely attractive, but I have had girlfriends of other races (White, Phillipino, mixed, etc.). This is because I can't think of one single race of women that I haven't seen some extremely attractive women of. I have seen extreme beauty and sexuality in every race. Most men I have talked to have expressed that, as well. I can think of several black women that I don't know a man alive that could truthfully say wasn't absolutely beautiful and sexy. I'm talking about black as black can get.

 

Are you sure what you said is true? Or are you generalizing and saying, that as a whole, you don't find most black women attractive, but you have seen some?

 

I'm also interested in what other men and women have to say on this, as well.

 

Yes, I'm generalizing but I can honestly say I am not attracted to about 97 percent or more of black women. That's not to sound racist, we all have our preferences. Yes, I've seen PLENTY of black women. I've been to high schools that were 80-90 percent black and I've lived in Pleasant Ridge and Price Hill.

 

Michelle Obama was looking damn good on The View though.

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I'm black and i date 95% white women. I just find i'm more compatible with them. Most black women i've run into have attitudes like no other. interesting enough i found that the really sexy black women are with white men.. go figure..lol

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I'm black and i date 95% white women. I just find i'm more compatible with them. Most black women i've run into have attitudes like no other. interesting enough i found that the really sexy black women are with white men.. go figure..lol

I hate when I hear that.  What do you mean "attitude like no other?"  As if white women don't have bad attitudes?  As if Latina women don't have attitudes. In my opinion, they Latin women are 100% WORSE than Black women.  Trust.

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Black women do tend to have attitudes but a lot of times it's a good thing. A lot of them have no problem calling out bs when they see it. I talked to a black girl about it one time and she said a lot of black mothers raise their daughters to be 'strong and independent' so I guess it's a part of that.

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Black women do tend to have attitudes but a lot of times it's a good thing. A lot of them have no problem calling out bs when they see it. I talked to a black girl about it one time and she said a lot of black mothers raise their daughters to be 'strong and independent' so I guess it's a part of that.

 

There goes TV again!

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Yeah, I'm so sheltered :roll:

 

humm.  We'll you've never lived with a Black women, so how can you take the word of that one "black girl" as gospel?

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I never said I took it as gospel; I said THATS WHAT I WAS TOLD. I've never lived with a Black woman, no, but I've had plenty of black friends (and I know their family)and there's alot of black in my family. Two of my brothers are biracial, one of my uncles is biracial and my family has a lot of black friends who I'm around. I don't learn about black people from tv.

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I'm black and i date 95% white women. I just find i'm more compatible with them. Most black women i've run into have attitudes like no other. interesting enough i found that the really sexy black women are with white men.. go figure..lol

I hate when I hear that. What do you mean "attitude like no other?" As if white women don't have bad attitudes? As if Latina women don't have attitudes. In my opinion, they Latin women are 100% WORSE than Black women. Trust.

 

It's just from my experience that black women thing the world owes them something. Just the other day I was shopping for groceries and a group of black girls were in there cursing an swearing to no end about some bs that happen. I don't want to hear their problems I have my own problems. Fug this and fug that. The only other time i see white women like that is they are drunk in a country bar..lol

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Wow! OK, here we go. I'll try to be civil and respectful. Being a man who has dated a few different races, I find that there are some general characteristics that relate more to Social and Economic status more than the Race they belong to. Everyone is a product of where they come from, I don't care who you are. I know Black Women who act like the common stereotype of White Women, simply because they were raised in a certain Social and Economic Environment that is normally associated with the stereotype of White women and visa-versa.

 

Black women from certain Social an Economic backgrounds do act ignorant and do have chips on their shoulders. There are some understandable reasons and some reasons that come out of the ignorance that they are afflicted with because of the Social and Economic backround they come from. However, I have noticed this same condition in White and other races of women and men, because they come from similar backgrounds. I have also known men an women of both and other races who come from different backgrounds who act completely different.

 

It is not the color of your skin who makes you who you are, it is the environment you come from and are currently in. You would be different than you are if you came from a different environment and would change from who you are today, to a certain extent, if you were suddenly put in another environment, today. Example: The Iraq War or if you were suddenly made a slave, etc. Extreme circumstances bring extremes personalities out of People.

 

Some of the behavior you witness from certain people of certain races is not a trait that all people of that race are born with in their genes, it is learned. If a black or white man is ignorant, I challenge you to consider another reason other than the color of their skin.

 

Oh, so your answer to my question is that about 3% of the Black women you have ever seen were attractive and  about 97% were not. Is that what you're saying?

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Oh, so your answer to my question is that about 3% of the Black women you have ever seen were attractive and about 97% were not. Is that what you're saying?

 

Pretty much.

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Oh, so your answer to my question is that about 3% of the Black women you have ever seen were attractive and about 97% were not. Is that what you're saying?

 

Pretty much.

 

I...I don't know where to start.  So I'll just.. ..  ummmm

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I'm suppose to be attracted to every race of women equally? Sorry I'm not politically correct enough for people on this forum. All I did was read CDawg's post about interracial trends and gave my own opinion. Im rarely attracted to Asian women as well (though I have an ex girlfriend that is half Thai and she was pretty attractive). MTS you just said you won't date Latin men so who are you to take the moral highground on a racial preference issue?

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Master that would be the bigger reason, and since statistically in most areas there is a greater number of African Americans that come from that certain socio-economic background, it may leave people with the impression that thats how they overwhelmingly are. 

 

DC is kinda unique in that there isnt a white underclass, so all you see is professional whites that have moved here for a job, professional blacks that have moved here for a job, and the black Washintonians that have grown up here (from the other socio-economic background) that tend to be hostile towards the whites.  There is also a segment of African Americans that have jobs here with the government (mostly city) that must have been hired out of the latter scenario, and probably during the Barry administration, that have huge chips on their shoulders and are nasty as can be, and also hostile. 

The white-black thing here does sometimes make it difficult to not stereotype, since again yesterday in the grocery store I  1.)  was approached by 3 different black people with stories about why they needed me to help them pay for their groceries,  2.)  witnessed a black man stuffing his baggy pants with steaks,  3.)  several black woman with kids saying f this and f that to them........  (I wont even go into what happened during my walk home)

 

Thankfully I live next to an African American couple (from Cleveland) that I adore, and work with some african american people that are awesome!   

 

FYI, a couple of months ago I was walking with my other neighbor that is an inner city social worker, and we saw a group of african american males ahead (mind you this is not a bad area) and we purposely didnt cross to the other side (as to not be considered racial profilling) but wouldnt you know it, we were robbed! 

 

Im not sure what my point is, and I can say that I have never been considered racist, but lets just say living in DC has made things difficult.       

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3.)  several black woman with kids saying f this and f that to them........ 

 

It just makes my skin crawl when I see and hear that. I was at the grocery store not long ago and this mother was beating the crap out on her little girl slapping her all over her body dropping f-bombs. A sure way to insure that the cycle will be repeated.

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3.)  several black woman with kids saying f this and f that to them........ 

 

It just makes my skin crawl when I see and hear that. I was at the grocery store not long ago and this mother was beating the crap out on her little girl slapping her all over her body dropping f-bombs. A sure way to insure that the cycle will be repeated.

 

On the train this morning, several HS kids were on board and the girl was F'n this, N-word that to her friends.  A very small child on his way to school with his mother was sitting right next to them.  If I was that mother, I would have told them to watch their language.  And to Master's point, 5 of the kids were African-American, 2 were white and they were all speaking the exact same way and using the same vernacular.

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Not that I am condoning this, but on the flip side of Willyboy's experience, I would say this happens more often in urban setting because the situations are more visible.

 

I'm sure there are just as many white poor rural examples.

 

3.)  several black woman with kids saying f this and f that to them........ 

 

It just makes my skin crawl when I see and hear that. I was at the grocery store not long ago and this mother was beating the crap out on her little girl slapping her all over her body dropping f-bombs. A sure way to insure that the cycle will be repeated.

Not necessarily true.  When we got out of line, in public, my mother or worse, my grandmother would drop one on the kids.  You knew better than to act up, ask for or touch anything in the store.  You had ample warning, so if you "acted up" you got punished.

 

There were plenty of times, my mother BEAT, yes BEAT, the hell out of my brother in public.  And trust me the words that would come out of her mouth could make the raunchiest sailor cringe.  I give my mother credit as she would only talk to us in Spanish, so most people didn't know what was being said.

 

Today, my brother doesn't beat his children or punish them to the extreme my parents punished him.

 

3.)  several black woman with kids saying f this and f that to them........ 

 

It just makes my skin crawl when I see and hear that. I was at the grocery store not long ago and this mother was beating the crap out on her little girl slapping her all over her body dropping f-bombs. A sure way to insure that the cycle will be repeated.

 

On the train this morning, several HS kids were on board and the girl was F'n this, N-word that to her friends.  A very small child on his way to school with his mother was sitting right next to them.  If I was that mother, I would have told them to watch their language.  And to Master's point, 5 of the kids were African-American, 2 were white and they were all speaking the exact same way and using the same vernacular.

Some people are afraid to say something.  I agree the parent could have said something, but then again, so could each passenger in earshot!

 

I as a man of color, find it extremely offensive when people use the "n" word.  I don't even like the fact that CDM uses it as a tag, but I "understand" why he uses it.  When people speak like that I say something, especially when kids use it as many don't know why they are using the word or what it means to African American people.

 

I will never, ever forget my cousin using the "n" word accidental at my grandparents house, when we were teenagers.  It was the week before Halloween 1981.  My grandmother dragged him from their house all the way to 79 St. & Kosciuszko.  She then explained to him what it feels like to be called a "n" word and what it mean to be perceived as a "nigger".  She told him to take in his surrounds as what he is viewing is perceived, as how all black people should be viewed or what a neighborhood will become if a black family moves in and those very same people think blacks or "n's" as some people chose to label us, are the reason the "eastside" has declined. 

 

She gave us one "talking to" about race and the power of words and told my cousin that if he has the need to use that word, he can stay down in hough with those that are perceived as "n's" because he would no longer be welcomed in her house.

 

I'm suppose to be attracted to every race of women equally? Sorry I'm not politically correct enough for people on this forum. All I did was read CDawg's post about interracial trends and gave my own opinion. I'm rarely attracted to Asian women as well (though I have an ex girlfriend that is half Thai and she was pretty attractive). MTS you just said you won't date Latin men so who are you to take the moral highground on a racial preference issue?

 

I'm not asking you to be PC, nor do I think anyone else on this board would think you should as well.  Being rarely attracted to someone, is very different than putting a percentage on the number of black females you've seen that you feel are unattractive.

 

I am not physically attracted to Latin men, yet that does not mean, that I don't find many Latin men phyne as hell!

 

I see men and women of all different colors and races, that I think are attractive, but I'm not physically attracted to.  That very different than saying all the X women of a certain race are unattractive.

 

Unless, you know a bunch of ugly chicks, thats really hard for me to understand that 97% of those black women are completely unattractive to you.

 

 

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^Thats a really interesting and good point MTS.  Differentiating between attractive people who you know are good looking and people who you are sexually and physically attracted to.  Just like straight guys can acknowledge a good looking guy, and gay mean can acknowledge a good looking girl. Same can be applied to race, IMO. Kudos, MTS!

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Willyboy, I get several things out of what you just said. It is all a matter of perception. I have been robbed, at gun point, by several Black Men, as well. However, I feel no need to cross the street when I see Black Men walking toward me. Why, because I have the advantage of being Black. I mean; I have the advantage of knowing in my heart that it is not the color of a Black Man that  makes them rob people. It is other things. You are right when you say that the perception of Black People is negative because of the amount of Black People who are unfortunate enough to come from bad Social and Economic backgroungs. Let's remember; that is not their fault. They didn't pick their parents nor the neighborhood they were raised in. And for the record, I have seen some of these same unfortunate things happen at the grocery store from White People, families, etc. Think about the people we call Red Necks. They are white, but they are ignorant. Why? Not because of the color of their skin, but their Social and Economic background and environment. If Black People had better neighborhoods, schools and if older Black Adults would lend themselves as role models, then after a generation or two, you would see a change. That is up to all of us to vote, participate and make sure that we address the issues that cause certain ethnic and racial groups to have to grow up and live in Social and Economic environments that breed ignorance.

 

David, you have a right to be attracted to whom ever you want to. Remember, I never condemed you for what you said, I just found it to be hard to believe and wanted to make sure I understood you correctly. However, I think that you need glasses, because I see Black Women almost every day that light my fire and do you watch TV?

 

MyTwoSense, I'm not sure, but based on conversations we've both been involved in, I think you are extremely beautiful from the inside-out! If you're half as fine outside as you are inside, whoo Hoooo! Hopefully I just said that to a woman. I don't go the other way. Nothing against those who do, but I don't.

 

I'm going to share an article with you guys that I have written. It kind of addresses what I have just said.

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MyTwoSense, I'm not sure, but based on conversations we've both been involved in, I think you are extremely beautiful from the inside-out! If you're half as fine outside as you are inside, whoo Hoooo! Hopefully I just said that to a woman. I don't go the other way. Nothing against those who do, but I don't.

 

 

I'm not saying a thing.  Not a thing.

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MyTwoSense, I'm not sure, but based on conversations we've both been involved in, I think you are extremely beautiful from the inside-out! If you're half as fine outside as you are inside, whoo Hoooo! Hopefully I just said that to a woman. I don't go the other way. Nothing against those who do, but I don't.

Umm.  I'm extremely flattered, as only one other man has said that to me.  Fortunately he played for my team.

 

Now for the bad news.  MTS is all man. And don't worry, I dont go the other way either!  LMAO!  No offense to those who go the other way.

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Perceptions of Free Will:

 

Here is a story of a child who was born to uneducated and ignorant parents who happened to be drug addicts. The child didn't know why he didn't feel good but he didn't. The child had no choice but to cry, out of instinct. His mother chose not to feed him because she needed money for drugs. This child was abused, sexually assaulted, neglected and suffered unimaginable mental stress and abuse as he grew up. His parents introduced him to drugs at a very young age and he has been an addict ever since. The institutions he was forced to endure as a child introduced him to more criminal minded young thugs and the staff at these institutions treated them all like garbage. When he was 18 years old he robbed a grocery store. The judge asked him why and the young man's reply was that he had no choice. The judge told him that everyone has Free Will and Freedom of Choice. The young man said "Not me." The judge asked why? This young man was nervous in front of the judge and all of those people. This young Jr. High School drop out who was in withdrawal from his Heroin Addiction began to stutter as he did his best, in horrible English. He rambled and tried to explain an 18 year story in the 5 seconds the judge gave him before interrupting the young man. The judge said "Just as I thought." He gave him the maximum sentence.

Did this young man have Free Will? If he could articulate, he would say that as a baby, he had no Free Will. He had to submit to the will of his parents and his environment. He would say that he didn't choose his parents and he didn't ask for the needle to be stuck in him by his mother's boy friend. He didn't ask for it the first time nor the second or third. He would say that he needed the drugs to live and he needed money to buy the drugs. He would tell you that there are no free drug programs in his town and that no one wants to be his friend. Employment was not a choice because of his record, his appearance, his lack of a diploma and skills. He doesn't even have an address to put on an employment application. He doesn't even have the ability to work a shift without drugs. He definitely can't work on drugs.

In my opinion, by the time this child was old enough to exercise his Free Will, his choices had become limited. They were limited by his lack of education, his ignorance, his vocabulary and poor English, not to mention his addiction. Drug addicts tend to loose there Freedom of Choice. Any doctor will tell you that a Heroin Addict of many years

must have the drugs or face the possibility of death. Most of us are not capable of choosing death over anything. For Heroin Drug Addicts, that leaves one option: Get the drugs by any means necessary. It is a matter of life or death.

For those of us who were properly raised and who are drug free, this is hard to comprehend and the concept of being in a situation where there are absolutely no choices available is disturbing, to say the least. For many people, the obvious choice would be to turn to God. For those who don't believe in God or a higher power, this option is not available either. For the believers: The Christian God says "He is The Truth, The Way and The Light", if you have faith. The question is how can this young man have faith in a God he knows nothing about? Is it possible that The Devil can take you to a place so dark that it is impossible for you to ever see the light. If you are sheltered from God by godless parents and your environment, will God seek out to find you? I will leave you to answer these questions for yourselves. I would be happy to address these questions at another time. For those who are wondering. Yes, I do believe. I am a Christian. For those who don't believe and need one logical reason; I will offer two:

1. Because God offers hope. When there are no other options available, he is always there. Without hope, there is very little incentive to try. I know that as long as I keep trying, God will make it OK. So I never give up. When I experience tragedy I turn to him and I see hope.

2. Just in case. The moral values and teachings of my God are great principles to live by. It does me and no one else any harm for me to believe. In fact, I believe that following his teachings have had a positive impact in my life. What a shame it would be to wake up out of my coffin one day to find out that there really was a God and I am doomed to burn for eternity. Eternity is a long time to burn. That would suck!

Did this man have Freedom of Choice? Answer that for yourselves, as well. I know what I believe. What do you believe? Get drugs or die. Is that a choice? Turn to a God he was raised to not believe in, knows nothing about and can't see, feel or touch. He definitely doesn't feel loved by God. My humble definition of Free Will is: The right and ability to make your own choices. If you have no choices, do you still have Free Will. Are there always choices? If I have less choices available does that mean I have less Free Will or does it mean that I just have less choices to exercise my Free Will with? More questions for you to answer for yourselves. I have my own answers but these are topics for other articles.

What answers to I have on this topic? America is a society of people who have a history of throwing rocks to try to stop a Freight Train. There are some huge problems that we do little about in this country. There are many, many tragic lives and situations in this country and we are quick to blame the person involved in these tragedies by saying "You had a choice" or "You have Free Will". We, who were lucky or blessed enough to be born to good parents and went to good schools and who ate well, find it hard to comprehend the young man saying he had no choice. Freedom of Choice in America is a social problem more than it is an individual problem. Why are drugs on our streets? Why is there so much poverty? Why were the institutions, that this child was forced to live in, so ineffective? Why wasn't this child's abuse reported by anyone? Why was the child returned to these parents? Why was he allowed to just drop out of school? Why are there no free treatment programs in his town? It would cost tax payers less to offer that option than the crimes he is doomed to commit will cost, not to mention the cost of caring for him in prison. It would also cost less than the war in Iraq! When tragedy strikes, we as Americans, must insure that Free Will is available for every man, woman and child. There is no Free Will on drugs and none for a child in a house with drugs and none in the court and prison system where he will end up. We, as Americans, do have The Free Will to choose to address these tragedies. Let's use our Free Will and Freedom of Choice to end some of the tragic conditions that lead to other tragic circumstances. Lets make some wiser choices on what we spend billions of dollars on. Lets exercise our choice to get involved!

 

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MyTwoSense, I'm not sure, but based on conversations we've both been involved in, I think you are extremely beautiful from the inside-out! If you're half as fine outside as you are inside, whoo Hoooo! Hopefully I just said that to a woman. I don't go the other way. Nothing against those who do, but I don't.

 

 

I'm not saying a thing.  Not a thing.

 

MyTwoSense, if you are not a woman, you are still a beautiful person, just don't want to date you.  :angel:

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Willyboy, I get several things out of what you just said. It is all a matter of perception. I have been robbed, at gun point, by several Black Men, as well. However, I feel no need to cross the street when I see Black Men walking toward me. Why, because I have the advantage of being Black. I mean; I have the advantage of knowing in my heart that it is not the color of a Black Man that  makes them rob people. It is other things. You are right when you say that the perception of Black People is negative because of the amount of Black People who are unfortunate enough to come from bad Social and Economic backgroungs. Let's remember; that is not their fault. They didn't pick their parents nor the neighborhood they were raised in. And for the record, I have seen some of these same unfortunate things happen at the grocery store from White People, families, etc. Think about the people we call Red Necks. They are white, but they are ignorant. Why? Not because of the color of their skin, but their Social and Economic background and environment. If Black People had better neighborhoods, schools and if older Black Adults would lend themselves as role models, then after a generation or two, you would see a change. That is up to all of us to vote, participate and make sure that we address the issues that cause certain ethnic and racial groups to have to grow up and live in Social and Economic environments that breed ignorance.

 

Oh I totally agree, Im just not sure anymore what the answer is and what we should be voting for... 

I think many of the past social programs that were supposed to help have actually done the opposite.

I realize it is about breaking the cycle, but things seem to be going the opposite way for the time being.

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