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33 minutes ago, YABO713 said:

 

I often wonder if Ohio City has the means to do a sort of resident trolley, that literally just loops from Detroit/50th to Detroit/29th to Detroit/25th to 25th/Bridge to 25th/Lorain to Lorain/41st to Lorain/50th back to 50th/Detroit. 

 

My dream streetcar would go something like this with maybe track running down W. 25th to make a figure 8.  It would intersect with 3 RTA stations, downtown, W. 25th and W. 65th, travel down the two main corridors and get people in and out of downtown.  

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44 minutes ago, YABO713 said:

 

I often wonder if Ohio City has the means to do a sort of resident trolley, that literally just loops from Detroit/50th to Detroit/29th to Detroit/25th to 25th/Bridge to 25th/Lorain to Lorain/41st to Lorain/50th back to 50th/Detroit. 

 

That would be enormously convenient for people living in the near West Side neighborhoods.

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Much of that neighborhood, including Hingetown, is already served by some of the best transit service in the state. Seriously, folks, ride the darn bus, it's great.  You can go from Hingetown to downtown in like 10 minutes without any planning pretty much all day. 

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Well, there's already the 26 Detroit - I think it runs at a 20 to 30 minute interval.  I assume there is a similar Lorain Rd route.

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^Frequency is definitely lousy on the 26, but Church and State is like a three minute walk from West 25th, which has a bus to Downtown every 6 or 7 minutes, on average, thanks to the confluence of several routes.  Eastern Ohio City (and Southwestern Ohio City, which has the Red Line station), are very well served.

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4 minutes ago, StapHanger said:

^Frequency is definitely lousy on the 26, but Church and State is like a three minute walk from West 25th, which has a bus to Downtown every 6 or 7 minutes, on average, thanks to the confluence of several routes.  Eastern Ohio City (and Southwestern Ohio City, which has the Red Line station), are very well served.

 

This^. If I miss a bus in Old Brooklyn (which is serviced by three 51 busses), I'm SOL for at least 25-30 minutes, if not longer. Other neighborhoods barely have a bus an hour. The last place that needs more transit is OC.

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2 hours ago, GISguy said:

 

This^. If I miss a bus in Old Brooklyn (which is serviced by three 51 busses), I'm SOL for at least 25-30 minutes, if not longer. Other neighborhoods barely have a bus an hour. The last place that needs more transit is OC.

This article from last month talks about dedicated bus line BRT similar to Euclid ave heathline.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.cleveland.com/news/2020/02/greater-cleveland-rta-considers-west-25th-street-bus-line-similar-to-euclid-avenues-healthline.html%3foutputType=amp

 

 Personally I would like to see the streetcar return to West 25th South into old Brooklyn and beyond. 

 

old streetcar map below 

 

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You guys like getting threads locked, don't you?

 

We have plenty of threads on rail transit history. Here are two of them:

 

 

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This has ended up looking alot larger than I was expecting it to. What a great presence. Also love seeing the new Snavely building in the background too. In just a few short years this has turned into a pretty dense node.

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Had to go get my fix at Saucy today (how great is their walk up window during this??) and snapped some pics:

 

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I'm glad they don't have it all walled off with covered fences. Was pretty cool being able to look inside. The pedestrian cut thru is really going to be a great space.

 

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Received an email today from leasing (since I’m signed up on their email list) that included a bunch of new leasing unit pictures!
 

Looks really nice - bright and open. The email said that first building move-ins are planned for mid June.

 

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Looks like the tower crane has come down.  Bittersweet, but cranes are definitely becoming a more common sight here in Cleveland 😃

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Not a huge difference from the last photos posted but starting to get an idea of what the facade color scheme will turn out like.

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On 3/3/2020 at 10:18 AM, GISguy said:

 

The lights get replaced, the poles don't. At least that's how they did it in Old Brooklyn.

 

Also, just getting it out there there's a cool web application to track the progress of the conversion: https://portal.cdmsmithgis.com/portal/apps/webappviewer/index.html?id=c2594ce94b1646fa887845679bb1361d

What they did in Old Brooklyn means nothing.  Each streetscape project in Greater Cleveland is different - no two alike.  Even right there on this stretch of Detroit Avenue one apartment project got no new streetlights while others did.

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1 hour ago, lafont said:

What they did in Old Brooklyn means nothing.  Each streetscape project in GreatEr Cleveland is different - no two alike.  Even right there on this stretch of Detroit Avenue one apartment project got no new streetlights While others did.

I think @GISguy was just referring to replacing the HPS bulbs with LED, in which case he is correct. 
 

But mentioning the streetscape projects...that has always driven me bananas. How is there not a city-wide or at least neighborhood wide design standard? There have to be 700 different types of light poles and 400 different trash cans in this city. 

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I took a long walk this morning and snapped some crappy cellphone pics. I was pleasantly surprised to see the impact on the skyline when looking from the Lorain/ Carnegie bridge. The pic really doesn’t do it justice. 
 

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I couldnt snap a photo since i was on the shoreway but the view of all three of these projects rising up was amazing..  ill see if i can get a picture from a nice angle..  but it brought a tear to my eye!

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^ Agreed. I had the same reaction coming over the Detroit-Superior Bridge yesterday. Its such an extreme difference from when I lived there two years ago. When I moved I never thought this neighborhood would be looking like this in such a short amount of time.

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It doesn't appear that they have any of the ground-floor commercial spaces leased....

State Building: https://www.loopnet.com/Listing/2861-Detroit-Ave-Cleveland-OH/19231135/

Church Building: https://www.loopnet.com/Listing/2861-Detroit-Ave-Cleveland-OH/19231405/

 

Retail marketing brochure for Church+State:

https://images1.loopnet.com/d2/1HpVSUpGy1dDfv7lz_J_aeOlbitCuEF1B5XFD5liVXQ/document.pdf

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2 hours ago, KJP said:

It doesn't appear that they have any of the ground-floor commercial spaces leased....

State Building: https://www.loopnet.com/Listing/2861-Detroit-Ave-Cleveland-OH/19231135/

Church Building: https://www.loopnet.com/Listing/2861-Detroit-Ave-Cleveland-OH/19231405/

 

Retail marketing brochure for Church+State:

https://images1.loopnet.com/d2/1HpVSUpGy1dDfv7lz_J_aeOlbitCuEF1B5XFD5liVXQ/document.pdf

 Very nice marketing brochure! So, given the progress and visibility of the project, is this a major concern? (I know we’re in an unprecedented market due to the crisis, perhaps I’m answering my own question?) 

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I also love the brochures mention of that "forthcoming mixed use development"

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They put the point in the wrong spot on the map, but I assume that since it'll be built where the Vibrator Company was, that the project is the 120 unit "The Vibe" as seen here:

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3 hours ago, mrnyc said:

^ aww, i wish they would have left the name the vibrator -- lol.

If there's not first floor retail with a sex toy shop I'm gonna be extremely disappointed.

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