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Cleveland: Ohio City: Church+State (West 29th & Detroit Ave)

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11 hours ago, w28th said:

It is going to be ugly, but I won’t argue with the density.

 

It's personally not my favorite aesthetically either, at least as shown in renderings. But it's creative and ambitious and will interact with the street very well. 

 

Not to mention, it stares directly in the face of a 15 story, concrete, brutalist housing project - so it's hard for me to use the word "ugly"

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Everyone has their own opinion of beauty. So the only question for me is, does the design add density, mixed use, relate to the street well, etc.? The answer is yes.

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"Nearly every problem that we have in the USA -- unaffordable health care, prison overpopulation, hyper militarization, climate change, racism, gun violence, poverty, poor education, urban sprawl and others -- cannot be positively addressed because bribery and conflicts of interest are legal under campaign finance laws which protect the uber-wealthy and the narrow self-interests who grossly benefit from our afflictions."

 

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10 minutes ago, KJP said:

Everyone has their own opinion of beauty. So the only question for me is, does the design add density, mixed use, relate to the street well, etc.? The answer is yes.

 

I honestly cannot wait for next summer with some of the retail up and running there. Going to be such a cool little enclave. 

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Very bad iPhone SE picture quality.

Church+State Tower crane viewed from the 13th floor of the Federal Court House. Gives a good idea of the buildings future Presence 

 

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Will be interesting to see what kind of retail they can land there.  There are signs up for a barbershop and nail salon in the adjacent print shop building, though those spaces have been empty for a little bit.  I know the block club was pushing for a pharmacy and the developers would love to have one, but have not found any interested parties.

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Church+State crane, as seen from Detroit Avenue 

 

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"Nearly every problem that we have in the USA -- unaffordable health care, prison overpopulation, hyper militarization, climate change, racism, gun violence, poverty, poor education, urban sprawl and others -- cannot be positively addressed because bribery and conflicts of interest are legal under campaign finance laws which protect the uber-wealthy and the narrow self-interests who grossly benefit from our afflictions."

 

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I noticed the crane yesterday to great surprise. 

Is it possible that Ohio City will have THREE cranes up at the same time with this project, Dexter, and Ohio City Market Plaza?

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3 minutes ago, musky said:

I noticed the crane yesterday to great surprise. 

Is it possible that Ohio City will have THREE cranes up at the same time with this project, Dexter, and Ohio City Market Plaza?

 

In my humble opinion, I don't think a crane will be necessary at Dexter and - while Market Plaza certainly will need AT LEAST one, I bet we won't be seeing that until late next Spring/early Summer at the earliest. 

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Dexter has a short crane on site. Snavely's phase 3 will also likely have a short crane too.


"Nearly every problem that we have in the USA -- unaffordable health care, prison overpopulation, hyper militarization, climate change, racism, gun violence, poverty, poor education, urban sprawl and others -- cannot be positively addressed because bribery and conflicts of interest are legal under campaign finance laws which protect the uber-wealthy and the narrow self-interests who grossly benefit from our afflictions."

 

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3 hours ago, musky said:

I noticed the crane yesterday to great surprise. 

Is it possible that Ohio City will have THREE cranes up at the same time with this project, Dexter, and Ohio City Market Plaza?

Can someone post the picture, location, developer, & prior name if applicable of the Dexter project.  Thank you

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11 minutes ago, simplythis said:

Can someone post the picture, location, developer, & prior name if applicable of the Dexter project.  Thank you

 

The developer is Casto of Columbus....

https://dextercle.com/

 

Their CM is Pride One Construction....

https://prideoneconstruction.com/p1_projects/dexter-place-apartments/

 

EDIT - there are some photos at Pride One's site.

 

EDIT2 - location: https://www.google.com/maps/place/2818+Franklin+Blvd,+Cleveland,+OH+44113/@41.4873825,-81.7091207,3a,75y,341.5h,90t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sbG7Y4vydMNJyRejfzDW74Q!2e0!7i13312!8i6656!4m5!3m4!1s0x8830f0696b94c5b7:0x5623ff6949ec7d0!8m2!3d41.487633!4d-81.709218

 

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"Nearly every problem that we have in the USA -- unaffordable health care, prison overpopulation, hyper militarization, climate change, racism, gun violence, poverty, poor education, urban sprawl and others -- cannot be positively addressed because bribery and conflicts of interest are legal under campaign finance laws which protect the uber-wealthy and the narrow self-interests who grossly benefit from our afflictions."

 

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"Nearly every problem that we have in the USA -- unaffordable health care, prison overpopulation, hyper militarization, climate change, racism, gun violence, poverty, poor education, urban sprawl and others -- cannot be positively addressed because bribery and conflicts of interest are legal under campaign finance laws which protect the uber-wealthy and the narrow self-interests who grossly benefit from our afflictions."

 

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Church+State crane, as seen today from the Shoreway bridge 😮

 

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"Nearly every problem that we have in the USA -- unaffordable health care, prison overpopulation, hyper militarization, climate change, racism, gun violence, poverty, poor education, urban sprawl and others -- cannot be positively addressed because bribery and conflicts of interest are legal under campaign finance laws which protect the uber-wealthy and the narrow self-interests who grossly benefit from our afflictions."

 

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I've been reading UO for nearly 3 years, but will dip a toe in the water and post my first comment. I was in Ohio City today having lunch at Market Garden Brewery with my two sons and the place was packed. Also went to Westside Market and Mitchell's ice cream and the vibrancy and energy was stunning...people everywhere having a great time and enjoying the local hotspots. I am so proud of my adopted hometown and I am very confident that developments such as Church + State will fill quickly once they come online! 

 

 

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I tried taking that shot the other day but I almost sideswiped another car and missed the shot.


"Nearly every problem that we have in the USA -- unaffordable health care, prison overpopulation, hyper militarization, climate change, racism, gun violence, poverty, poor education, urban sprawl and others -- cannot be positively addressed because bribery and conflicts of interest are legal under campaign finance laws which protect the uber-wealthy and the narrow self-interests who grossly benefit from our afflictions."

 

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For the record, I was not driving, nor do I ever attempt to take photos while driving - no photo is ever worth the risk.

 

My thoughts on this were galvanized ten years ago when one of the longtime skyscraperpage.com (SSP - essentially where urbanohio originated) forumers was killed while scouting photo locations. Even worse, the forumer left behind a wife and two young children 😔 

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12 hours ago, KJP said:

I tried taking that shot the other day but I almost sideswiped another car and missed the shot.

 

Please don't do that, for your sake and the rest of ours' as well.

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13 minutes ago, NorthShore647 said:

The Church+State crane and Ohio City skyline from the Jake. 

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Love the pic but best thing about your post is that you said you took it from "The Jake"

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7 minutes ago, MayDay said:

From today, starting to rise.

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That part of Detroit really needs to be narrowed. A landscaped pedestrian Island in between the parking across the street and Detroit would go a long way. 

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55 minutes ago, marty15 said:

That part of Detroit really needs to be narrowed. A landscaped pedestrian Island in between the parking across the street and Detroit would go a long way. 

 

Yeah, the crosswalk there is pretty dangerous. I’ve witnessed a lot of close calls.

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On 8/19/2019 at 5:28 PM, G00pie said:

this project is really moving..  from earlier today.

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I honestly love the arched windows of those older buildings. Let's see more of them in new builds!

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Looks like this is going to have the same or similar construction technique as The Edge on Euclid Ave by CSU.

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"Nearly every problem that we have in the USA -- unaffordable health care, prison overpopulation, hyper militarization, climate change, racism, gun violence, poverty, poor education, urban sprawl and others -- cannot be positively addressed because bribery and conflicts of interest are legal under campaign finance laws which protect the uber-wealthy and the narrow self-interests who grossly benefit from our afflictions."

 

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I noticed they had windows installed on the Church side. Seems like this thing will be up and completely enclosed in no time. Also, this building will have quite the presence as you approach the city on the Shoreway.

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Here's a few of Church+State from two nights ago....

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"Nearly every problem that we have in the USA -- unaffordable health care, prison overpopulation, hyper militarization, climate change, racism, gun violence, poverty, poor education, urban sprawl and others -- cannot be positively addressed because bribery and conflicts of interest are legal under campaign finance laws which protect the uber-wealthy and the narrow self-interests who grossly benefit from our afflictions."

 

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On 8/30/2019 at 4:40 PM, tastybunns said:

Rename the entire city of Cleveland to "Ohio City" 🤣

 Moses wouldn't be too happy about that.

 

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On 9/27/2019 at 12:34 PM, freefourur said:

He might not approve of the misspelling of his name either. 

He didn't spend much time here.

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