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On 2/24/2017 at 9:32 AM, Clefan98 said:

Sam Allard‏@SceneSallard 18h18 hours ago

 

On Franklin Clinton Block Club agenda this eve: new Hingetown Graham Veysey project: "Project 29" - 2 blgds, 184 units, 20Ksqft retail.

 

https://twitter.com/SceneSallard

 

For reference:

http://www.clevescene.com/cleveland/the-growing-pains-of-clevelands-newest-westside-neighborhood/Content?oid=4670345&showFullText=true

 

 

 

In June 2016, under the name Hingetown LLC, Graham Veysey acquired 10 parcels between Detroit Avenue and Church Avenue, west of West 28th, for $500,000. Their acquisitions include the parcels on which Schaefer Printing's red brick building sets (SEE BELOW).

 

Other Businesses Registered By

GRAHAM VEYSEY

GRAMMAR PROPERTIES LLC, CLEVELAND, OH

MANCAN WINE LLC, CLEVELAND, OH

NORTH WATER PARTNERS LLC, CLEVELAND, OH

HINGETOWN CONSTRUCTION LLC, CLEVELAND, OH

STRIEBINGER BLOCK LLC, CLEVELAND, OH

 

32707679460_cc42e31d75_b.jpgHingetown LLC Schaefer printing by Ken Prendergast, on Flickr

 

32275095203_f7ff07caa3_b.jpgHingetown LLC site by Ken Prendergast, on Flickr

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"Give me your tired, your poor, your huddled masses yearning to breathe free, the wretched refuse of your teeming shore. Send these, the homeless, tempest-tossed to me, I lift my lamp beside the golden door!" -- Lady Liberty

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I was at the block club meeting last night and Graham & his wife Marika presented some updated designs in response to community input and feedback. If I recall correctly, they have reduced the number of units from 184 to 161 (slightly reducing the height, but still keeping it 11 stories) and increased the number of parking spaces from ~160 to 214, in response to a lot of nearby residents concerned about a potential strain on their on-street parking.  There is subterranean parking as well as parking on the 2nd and 3rd floor of the structure, and there will be additional parking signs / striping done along church and 28th.

 

I live a block away and I'm thrilled to see some well thought out density -- I haven't been able to find any renderings publicly available online but it is open to both Detroit & Church, with street-level retail on both sides and a cool pedestrian walkway connecting those two streets between the two buildings.

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I was at the block club meeting last night and Graham & his wife Marika presented some updated designs in response to community input and feedback. If I recall correctly, they have reduced the number of units from 184 to 161 (slightly reducing the height, but still keeping it 11 stories) and increased the number of parking spaces from ~160 to 214, in response to a lot of nearby residents concerned about a potential strain on their on-street parking.  There is subterranean parking as well as parking on the 2nd and 3rd floor of the structure, and there will be additional parking signs / striping done along church and 28th.

 

I live a block away and I'm thrilled to see some well thought out density -- I haven't been able to find any renderings publicly available online but it is open to both Detroit & Church, with street-level retail on both sides and a cool pedestrian walkway connecting those two streets between the two buildings.

 

Thanks for the update, donking. Seems like a typical block meeting in OC... We want you to reduce the amount of humans so we can have additional space for 50 cars. As far as compromises go though, I''ll take it! 11 stories is significantly taller than anything else around. Also the way you describe the design it does sound well thought out, and I love the idea of breaking the block up with human scale street/walkway in between the buildings. Hope to see renderings soon.

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Nice!

 

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Ohio City apartment proposal would fill gap along Detroit Avenue

By Michelle Jarboe, The Plain Dealer

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on February 27, 2017 at 8:33 AM

 

CLEVELAND, Ohio - A pair of Ohio City parking lots is earmarked for a mixed-use project called the Church and State apartments, as part of a broader push to build up major corridors west of downtown Cleveland while preserving houses at the heart of the neighborhood.

 

Plans for the $50 million project show 161 apartments over 20,000 square feet of retail and 211 indoor parking spaces along Detroit Avenue, on roughly an acre between lower-slung, existing buildings at West 28th and West 29th streets. Named after historic and current Ohio City streets, the buildings will reach five floors - the Church, to the east - and rise to 11 stories - the State, to the west.

 

A neighborhood block club gave the project a thumbs-up Thursday evening. If a legislative process and other approvals go smoothly, the developers could break ground in December and open the buildings in late spring or early summer of 2019.

 

More at: http://realestate.cleveland.com/realestate-news/2017/02/ohio_city_apartment_proposal_w.html#incart_river_home

 

 

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Also looks like they're not demolishing the historic red brick building at the corner of West 28th and Detroit that was most recently used by Schaefer Industries...

 

32707679460_cc42e31d75_b.jpgHingetown LLC Schaefer printing by Ken Prendergast, on Flickr

 


"Give me your tired, your poor, your huddled masses yearning to breathe free, the wretched refuse of your teeming shore. Send these, the homeless, tempest-tossed to me, I lift my lamp beside the golden door!" -- Lady Liberty

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Any new news on the Church/State Development? Hasn't it already been approved even after it was wrongly discouraged?

Any news on this project.....Seems to have gone quiet

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Any new news on the Church/State Development? Hasn't it already been approved even after it was wrongly discouraged?

Any news on this project.....Seems to have gone quiet

 

The owner's have weekly meetings on it, they are getting all their financing put together.

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^I am always curious when I see somebody post a statement like that.

 

Does that mean they are still searching for a lending source or sources?  Or does that mean that they have all the financing lined up and the various sources are negotiating (fighting over) things like who in first in line if there is a default?  Or does that mean everything is sorted out among the various sources and the lawyers are just spending their sweet old time getting the complicated paper work together because it is summer time and they always chuck out of the office early on Friday.

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At this point in development projects, the sources are identified and negotiations for closings take place.  Commercial development loans can take 3-4 months to close form the time that they are approved.  Throw in HUD and other governmental lending and it can even take longer.

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^I am always curious when I see somebody post a statement like that.

 

Does that mean they are still searching for a lending source or sources?  Or does that mean that they have all the financing lined up and the various sources are negotiating (fighting over) things like who in first in line if there is a default?  Or does that mean everything is sorted out among the various sources and the lawyers are just spending their sweet old time getting the complicated paper work together because it is summer time and they always chuck out of the office early on Friday.

 

I'm even more curious when I read on a project's website that a developer announces said project will start construction in "the first quarter of 2018" and they're still having meetings to get their financing together in the third quarter of 2018. Developers are optimistic to a fault.

http://www.hwrep.com/project/church-state/


"Give me your tired, your poor, your huddled masses yearning to breathe free, the wretched refuse of your teeming shore. Send these, the homeless, tempest-tossed to me, I lift my lamp beside the golden door!" -- Lady Liberty

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“Getting financing together” can mean a lot of things. Even when all sources are in place the due diligence period can be quite long.

 

Exactly this. Getting financing together usually means all financing is identified and approved. Construction begins when those approved loans are closed. 

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At this point in development projects, the sources are identified and negotiations for closings take place.  Commercial development loans can take 3-4 months to close form the time that they are approved.  Throw in HUD and other governmental lending and it can even take longer.

 

And in fairness to the lawyers and lenders, the developers are often still getting their own sh*t together during this time, like coughing up final construction drawings, pulling building permits, and nailing down arrangements with outside equity investors (i.e., getting their org docs worked out).

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Just now, G00pie said:

Yes that crane sadly is not for the Church and State project...  damn!  how dare Saucy expand its operations and tease us like that

 

Its very soon everyone. HUD closing was delayed a bit but should be happening today. Mobilization should occur in the next couple weeks. 

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3 minutes ago, Klingaling87 said:

 

Its very soon everyone. HUD closing was delayed a bit but should be happening today. Mobilization should occur in the next couple weeks. 

You are amazing!  Thanks for the update! 

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On 11/29/2018 at 9:34 AM, Cleveland said:

Big Construction Crane Located at the site of the Church and State project today. Not sure what they are doing? 

Financing for Church and State closed last week.

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3 hours ago, Cleveland said:

If financing already closed why has it been dead silent relating to the groundbreaking or the project in general?

 

Financing literally closed two business days ago... what else are you expecting that they announce? There aren’t formal groundbreaking announcements for every project that happens.

 

Trailers will be on site either end of this week/early next and site work will begin in a couple weeks. 

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13 hours ago, ExPatClevGuy said:

Derivative. 

Also, why does it look like it's growing out of an out sized planter?

 

(Photo: Moshe Safdie's Habitat 67, Montreal)

 

All architecture derives from something before it.  Did you expect some sort of building form that has never been imagined before?  This project is a great boost to density in this growing neighborhood and adds useful public space.  I'm not saying there's no room for criticism, but this comment didn't seem to actually address the merits of the project.

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Excuse me for not being more clear. I meant "derivative" in the pejorative sense, and indeed as a criticism. 
Dense but ugly is no way go through life. This is hardly an architectural homage, and laughably hard on the eyes. 
Many building owners and their architects manage to create pleasing historical references in brilliantly scaled structures all the time; dense too.

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I'm by no means an architect, but agree that the design of this building (and many, many other new-builds on the near-west-side and throughout the country) is disappointing.  I assume the aluminum siding is significantly cheaper than a more traditional material, but I can't imagine we'll be thrilled with these aluminum-clad designs in 20 years. 

 

That being said, I'm excited to have another big residence here, and will gladly accept this in place of a dusty parking lot. 

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Anybody interested in a separate thread for Church and State? I think too much stuff gets lost in this thread. The Quarter was a huge project, in hindsight could have had it's own thread.

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Not to be confused with the Current Events topic discussed here: 

Instead, this topic is for the Hemingway Development project located at Church Avenue and West 29th (formerly State) Street. The pre-devevelopment activity was discussed at the Ohio City thread.

 

 

Here's the link to the developer's page:

http://www.hwrep.com/project/church-state/

 

And with that, we're off....

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"Give me your tired, your poor, your huddled masses yearning to breathe free, the wretched refuse of your teeming shore. Send these, the homeless, tempest-tossed to me, I lift my lamp beside the golden door!" -- Lady Liberty

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19 hours ago, ExPatClevGuy said:

Excuse me for not being more clear. I meant "derivative" in the pejorative sense, and indeed as a criticism. 
Dense but ugly is no way go through life. This is hardly an architectural homage, and laughably hard on the eyes. 
Many building owners and their architects manage to create pleasing historical references in brilliantly scaled structures all the time; dense too.

What are some buildings you like in the area? You mention "pleasing historical references", I assume you want something that looks old. Just like when older buildings were built, right?
I'm not saying I like this design, I don't. But you can't move forward being stuck in the past.

 

18 hours ago, ML11 said:

I'm by no means an architect, but agree that the design of this building (and many, many other new-builds on the near-west-side and throughout the country) is disappointing.  I assume the aluminum siding is significantly cheaper than a more traditional material, but I can't imagine we'll be thrilled with these aluminum-clad designs in 20 years. 

 

That being said, I'm excited to have another big residence here, and will gladly accept this in place of a dusty parking lot. 

 

Aluminum composite panels can be around the same price as brick, or slightly more expensive. But, there are many variations, styles and quality levels of both materials.

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On 2/24/2017 at 11:17 AM, donking said:

I was at the block club meeting last night and Graham & his wife Marika presented some updated designs in response to community input and feedback. If I recall correctly, they have reduced the number of units from 184 to 161 (slightly reducing the height, but still keeping it 11 stories) and increased the number of parking spaces from ~160 to 214, in response to a lot of nearby residents concerned about a potential strain on their on-street parking.  There is subterranean parking as well as parking on the 2nd and 3rd floor of the structure, and there will be additional parking signs / striping done along church and 28th.

 

I live a block away and I'm thrilled to see some well thought out density -- I haven't been able to find any renderings publicly available online but it is open to both Detroit & Church, with street-level retail on both sides and a cool pedestrian walkway connecting those two streets between the two buildings.

 

Ugh, an increase of 50 parking spaces? And a reduction of 20 units?

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