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The block bound by Main, 12th, Clay, and Central Parkway is probably the best location for a hotel in OTR. On the streetcar line on the border of OTR and DT, near the casino, Pendleton, Court Street. Could even include residential development in the same tower. 

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Circled all the locations that I personally think would be good for some boutique hotels. Didn’t circle the old kroger site due to 3cdc already having a plan for it.  

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Startup entrepreneurs to redevelop two Brewery District buildings

 

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A commercial real estate company founded by Cincinnati startup entrepreneurs plans to redevelop two historical buildings in the Brewery District of Over-the-Rhine.

 

More below:

https://www.bizjournals.com/cincinnati/news/2020/01/09/exclusive-startup-entrepreneurs-to-redevelop-two.html


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15 minutes ago, ColDayMan said:

Startup entrepreneurs to redevelop two Brewery District buildings

 

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A commercial real estate company founded by Cincinnati startup entrepreneurs plans to redevelop two historical buildings in the Brewery District of Over-the-Rhine.

 

More below:

https://www.bizjournals.com/cincinnati/news/2020/01/09/exclusive-startup-entrepreneurs-to-redevelop-two.html

 

I believe one of the partners of this group is on UrbanOhioForum....I believe it's Tony Alexander?

 

I didn't realize how many projects North Crown properties has in the pipeline for North of Liberty...

 

112 Corwine St

 

1614 Walnut

 

 



We acquired this old farmers exchange building in 2018 to create a mixed use development consisting of a 3,000 sq ft commercial loft space, six one-bedroom apartments.

The development is flanked by another building that will become four smaller one bedroom units suitable for students or starter accommodation.

 

1618 Walnut St

 

 The smaller building at 1618 Walnut St. is a long-vacant three-story structure built in 1914. It requires significant structural and mechanical improvements, as well as work on the historic fabric, such as repairs to decorative exterior features and interior stairs and woodwork. The plan is to create two smaller apartment units and one larger, two-story apartment.

 

1630 Walnut

 



This former warehouse has been converted into a 22 space parking garage and staging area to support other developments on the block for the short term.

In the long term we plan to build three additional stories on top of the garage to create 22 unique apartments with views of Grant Park and of the Cincinnati cityscape.

 

 

100 E McMicken.

 

 A six unit apartment building undergoing renovation and modernization in 2020.

 

 

64 E McMicken.

 

 



A six unit apartment building in planning for modernization in 2021.

The ground floor has a large commercial space which we subsidize to allow the Wesley Chapel group to operate vital after school programs for neighborhood youth.

Wesley Chapel Mission Center is a non-profit that relies on donations. Visit their website to learn more or to volunteer.

 

 

Somerset

 

The land adjacent to The Crown Brewing Company is under development to become a new neighborhood bar and outdoor focused event space.



We are using interesting objects and construction materials personally sourced and imported from the UK, India, Indonesia, South America and Europe, to bring something dramatic and truly unique to the city.

 

 

I also believe they are bringing a Beer Garden to the old proposed Hen of the Woods location on Main Street...but that could be a different developer. 

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"I believe one of the partners of this group is on UrbanOhioForum....I believe it's Tony Alexander?"

 

Yup!

 

"I didn't realize how many projects North Crown properties has in the pipeline for North of Liberty..."

 

There are a few others as well that didn't make sense from a tax credit standpoint. We're really hoping to help transform the area around Grant Park over the coming years.

 

"I also believe they are bringing a Beer Garden to the old proposed Hen of the Woods location on Main Street...but that could be a different developer. "

 

One Northcrown partner is involved in that as well but it's a separate thing - and it's not really a "beer garden" but I'll leave it to that group to announce their plans when ready!

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59 minutes ago, tonyalexander said:

The grade beams for Somerset got poured today. You should start seeing walls go up very soon. We can't wait for you all to come check it out once we open!

 

Looks good.  I'm jealous because I owned a similar plot of land in the west end and thought about doing a bar w/beer garden but did not have the $ means to do it.  I'm sure I still have the drawings I made on my computer somewhere.  

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6 hours ago, tonyalexander said:

The grade beams for Somerset got poured today. You should start seeing walls go up very soon. We can't wait for you all to come check it out once we open!

 

 

Well you better invite us!

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On 1/11/2020 at 4:48 PM, Ucgrad2015 said:

Sorry if this throws things off topic but what building/buildings in OTR would you like to see rehabbed but have not been yet? 

 

 

This was the Plasterers Union Hall before it got sliced and diced into a series of churches. I'd love to restore it.

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I would like to see the former school building at 1525 Elm Street, which currently houses the Cincinnati Health Department, converted into condos or apartments. If the city played its cards right, it could actually make a profit by selling the building (instead of their typical "sell a building to a developer for $1" move), and use the revenue towards the construction of a new office building somewhere else in the urban core for the Health Department and possibly other city functions. This would also allow the big parking lot behind the school to be developed -- this is valuable real estate since it's directly across Central Parkway from the new FC Cincinnati stadium. You could easily put a mixed-use building with ground floor retail + 3 or 4 stories of apartments at that location.

 

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45 minutes ago, taestell said:

I would like to see the former school building at 1525 Elm Street, which currently houses the Cincinnati Health Department, converted into condos or apartments. If the city played its cards right, it could actually make a profit by selling the building (instead of their typical "sell a building to a developer for $1" move), and use the revenue towards the construction of a new office building somewhere else in the urban core for the Health Department and possibly other city functions. This would also allow the big parking lot behind the school to be developed -- this is valuable real estate since it's directly across Central Parkway from the new FC Cincinnati stadium. You could easily put a mixed-use building with ground floor retail + 3 or 4 stories of apartments at that location.

 

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Honestly would not surprise me to see this happen after the stadium is built. I’m sure they want to try to gobble up as much land close to the stadium that they can get. I’d love to see this whole stretch of central parkway filled in.

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31 minutes ago, ryanlammi said:

The Roofing & Sheet Metal building at 1541 Elm Street is one of my favorites. I would love to see it become a large restaurant on two floors. Or maybe a double concept space that's owned by a single entity with a smaller bar space on part of the first floor and a restaurant upstairs and in the remainder of the first floor.

 

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Was there a plan for it a few years ago? I remember seeing some sort of billboard in the lot behind the building showing some renderings but it has since been taken down. Would be great to see it developed with some townhomes on that empty lot. That Cell phone store across the street needs to go. 

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3 hours ago, 1400 Sycamore said:

 

 

This was the Plasterers Union Hall before it got sliced and diced into a series of churches. I'd love to restore it.

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Would love to see urban artifact open up a second location here. 

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12 minutes ago, Ucgrad2015 said:

Was there a plan for it a few years ago? I remember seeing some sort of billboard in the lot behind the building showing some renderings but it has since been taken down. Would be great to see it developed with some townhomes on that empty lot. That Cell phone store across the street needs to go. 

 

Urban sites is actively marketing that site for commercial space on their lease now page on their website. 

 

I'm guessing urban sites won't redevelop the site until the can sign a tenant for the space...which is kinda tricky since that area isn't the most attractive part of otr currently..might take a few more years imo. 

 

3cdc owns that plot of land where the cell phone store is. I'm guessing we will eventually some large scale development at some point. Probably once the liberty street diet is finished, which is scheduled to start this spring. 

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The Wielert's building is by far the one I want most to be renovated.  If someone doesn't make that into a beer hall it will be a huge missed opportunity.  

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1 hour ago, Ucgrad2015 said:

Would love to see urban artifact open up a second location here. 

I was told at one time this was a bathhouse. Never seen that confirmed anywhere I don't think.

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1 hour ago, Cincy513 said:

The Wielert's building is by far the one I want most to be renovated.  If someone doesn't make that into a beer hall it will be a huge missed opportunity.  

Is it currently being renovated? 

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23 minutes ago, Ucgrad2015 said:

Is it currently being renovated? 

 

I believe so..ive seen some work being done and a coming soon banner.

Even though 3cdc hasn't listed on their page. 

 

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The Wielert has had that banner on it for a couple years now.  Sadly I don't think 3CDC is going to do anything with it until they figure out what they're going to do with that entire block.  Since they don't even own all the land on that block I don't think we'll be seeing any changes for another couple years.  

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There has been some work happening inside of Wielert's at the same time that 3CDC has been working on Meiners and Behlen. I assume they are just doing basic stabilization / interior demolition work, as they have not announced anything for that building yet.

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On 1/8/2020 at 1:34 AM, jmecklenborg said:

Findlay Playground's "temporary" closure is now in it's 14th+ month.  It should be a huge scandal by this point. 

 

On 1/8/2020 at 12:51 PM, jmecklenborg said:

Remember when they shut down the Mt. Adams Incline for repairs?  

Build an aerial tram between Findlay Playground and Classen Park. 

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11 hours ago, Miami-Erie said:

Does north of Liberty need both Grant Park and Findlay Playground? One could probably be a great site for infill development. 

Yes.  As the rest of the neighborhood densifies, open public green space will only become more important. That doesn't mean we can't get creative on integrating parking and development, moving assets around, etc.

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18 hours ago, thomasbw said:

Build an aerial tram between Findlay Playground and Classen Park. 

Wonder if Crossroads would be interested in helping this happen.

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1 hour ago, mcmicken said:

Yes.  As the rest of the neighborhood densifies, open public green space will only become more important. That doesn't mean we can't get creative on integrating parking and development, moving assets around, etc.

 

I don't agree. 

 

Cincinnati isn't this dense mega city the size of NYC or Hong Kong. 

 

Cincinnati already has an abundance of parks from Eden park, Sayer Point, Smale Riverfront park, Piatt Park, Washington Park, Ziegler Park, Bellevue Park..not to mention the abundance of pocket parks through out the city. 

 

I say one of those parks needs to go. Preferably Findlay Playground. Build a dense mixed use structure that can help anchor north of liberty development up on Vine. A Mercer type project, with necessary parking, retail/resturaunts/bars would be a huge catalyst for speeding up development in NoLi. 

 

 

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There are only three parks north of Liberty, and all are pretty equally spaced out along McMicken. None on the scale of Washington Park. We can build dense development and keep/improve all of these parks. Development is already moving along at the north end of Vine. Most of the buildings at Vine and McMicken are either already fully occupied or being redeveloped now. The only exception I see is the southeast corner which I think is vacant upstairs (it has a convenience store on the first floor). What we really need is for the long stretch between McMicken and Liberty to undergo redevelopment. I don't think it needs Findlay Playground to be a mixed-use development for this to happen.

 

It's already creeping in along Elder from Findlay Market, from the north at McMicken, and once the huge Kauffman brewing building gets redeveloped, the center should see a huge influx of activity. Narrowing Liberty will also help.

EDIT: The only thing I think would be appropriate is to place a garage under Findlay Playground. perhaps build up some right on Vine Street, but leaving the bulk of the park alone (while improving it). I think Grant and Hanna should be designed as the more active parks (basketball, tennis, pools, etc) and Findlay could be a more passive park (think Ziegler).

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Let's focus on rehabbing all of the existing historic buildings and filling in all of the vacant lots with new development. Then start replacing all of the surface parking lots in the neighborhood with new development. Then start talking about demolishing some of the ugly non-historic buildings in the neighborhood and replacing them with new dense mixed-use developments.

 

There is room for hundreds or thousands of new residents in OTR by doing those things. There is no reason we should be considering eliminating any existing parks and replacing them with new buildings at this point.

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I agree we should focus efforts on existing building rehabs and vacant lot infill/parking infill, but the park is closed for some unknown reason and unknown amount of time. Clearly the future of the park is being determined (likely behind closed doors) before a proposal is going to appear out of nowhere. I wouldn't be surprised if the city/3CDC tries to turn the park into new development.

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My assumption is that they want to put a parking garage underneath it and rebuild the park above. But I would also have no problem if they "swapped" Findlay Playground and the Findlay Market north lot. Put a development with an underground garage where Findlay Playground is, and replace the parking lot north of Findlay Market with a park that can also double as the outdoor farmers market area on weekends during warmer months. But I don't think 3CDC could get away with simply eliminating public park space north of Liberty. There would be too much pushback, similar to the "keep our courts" movement that popped up in opposition to another development in OTR that would have eliminated 2 basketball courts (even though I think the developer had figured out a way to rebuild the courts nearby).

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11 minutes ago, ryanlammi said:

I agree we should focus efforts on existing building rehabs and vacant lot infill/parking infill, but the park is closed for some unknown reason and unknown amount of time. Clearly the future of the park is being determined (likely behind closed doors) before a proposal is going to appear out of nowhere. I wouldn't be surprised if the city/3CDC tries to turn the park into new development.

Was closed to help deal with the criminal element hanging out there all hours of the day. Tentative plan is to reopen in spring/early summer. CRC has been applying for funding for capital park improvements to both Grant and Findlay. Unfortunately they have gone about this in a half-assed way so they are asking for money before there is even a plan in place for what the improvements would be. 

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Just now, taestell said:

My assumption is that they want to put a parking garage underneath it and rebuild the park above. But I would also have no problem if they "swapped" Findlay Playground and the Findlay Market north lot. Put a development with an underground garage where Findlay Playground is, and replace the parking lot north of Findlay Market with a park that can also double as the outdoor farmers market area on weekends during warmer months. But I don't think 3CDC could get away with simply eliminating public park space north of Liberty. There would be too much pushback, similar to the "keep our courts" movement that popped up in opposition to another development in OTR that would have eliminated 2 basketball courts (even though I think the developer had figured out a way to rebuild the courts nearby).

Which would be historically interesting as the playground was originally where the north lot is, and the current park was the parking lot.

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The Findlay Market parking lot used to be a baseball diamond.   That diamond was rebuilt at the Findlay Playground.  I never saw anyone use it. 

 

Almost no kids play at Grant Park and zero at the kickball field north of SCPA.  

 

As kids decrease, city parks are increasingly just for dogs and Instagram.   

 

 

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25 minutes ago, ryanlammi said:

I agree we should focus efforts on existing building rehabs and vacant lot infill/parking infill, but the park is closed for some unknown reason and unknown amount of time. Clearly the future of the park is being determined (likely behind closed doors) before a proposal is going to appear out of nowhere. I wouldn't be surprised if the city/3CDC tries to turn the park into new development.

 

You wouldn’t be surprised if the organization that has quarterbacked two major park projects in OTR fought to eliminate a park in OTR? What gives you the impression they are in the business of eliminating park space?    

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11 minutes ago, jmecklenborg said:

The Findlay Market parking lot used to be a baseball diamond.   That diamond was rebuilt at the Findlay Playground.  I never saw anyone use it. 

 

Almost no kids play at Grant Park and zero at the kickball field north of SCPA.  

 

As kids decrease, city parks are increasingly just for dogs and Instagram.   

 

 

 

This is not true. There are plenty of kids in OTR, they just spend their time in the safe parks that have received attention. The play field next to SCPA used to get used by kids more because there wasn’t an active park with a pool and new playground across the street. 

 

I realized Grant park received a facelift but the area around it is not yet to a point that evokes a sense of safety. By the time a Findlay Market area major park project could be completed, enough development will have occurred around it to make it a successful and utilized public space. 

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22 minutes ago, jmecklenborg said:

Almost no kids play at Grant Park and zero at the kickball field north of SCPA.  


I live close by, and I see kids there all the time. Unlike the basketball courts that have caused such a fuss on Main north of Rothenberg. I almost never see anyone at those courts (they are terrible, so I'm not too surprised).

 

15 minutes ago, ZoeBarnes said:

You wouldn’t be surprised if the organization that has quarterbacked two major park projects in OTR fought to eliminate a park in OTR? What gives you the impression they are in the business of eliminating park space?    


It's complicated, but they did Ziegler and Washington Park because they generate revenues via the parking garages. I don't think a parking garage under Findlay Playground is as profitable. The lack of a plan by CRC regarding Findlay Playground throws up red flags. It sounds like per @mcmicken we don't need to worry about it and they should be reopening the park, but it's just a little suspicious. Plus, there isn't a lot of moneyed interests around Findlay Playground that want this space preserved like there was around Ziegler and Washington Parks. It might appear to be a chance for them to do something different if they get the city's blessing.

 

I think there would be a ton of pushback, but it's the only one I see as possible to convert to a development since they already closed it for over a year with no plan and haven't gotten that much pushback. It could be that they are testing the waters for removing it entirely.

 

But that's speculation on my part. 

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