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Here's how Model Group has shaped the retail landscape around Findlay Market

 

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Model Group has completed two phases of its Market Square redevelopment since 2015 in the blocks surrounding Findlay Market. That's included 91 apartments, 11 market-rate condos and 20 commercial spaces with a total of 72,000 square feet of office and retail space. The developer invested $21 million in Phase 1 of the project and $26 million in Phase 2.

 

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Here's hoping phase 4 is infill for those Findley market surface lots.

 

Hoping for a mixed use project with underground parking similar to 3cdc otr projects 

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15 hours ago, troeros said:

Here's hoping phase 4 is infill for those Findley market surface lots.

 

Hoping for a mixed use project with underground parking similar to 3cdc otr projects 

Model does not own those lots, the City/Corporation for Findlay Market does.

 

Though at least one other large parking lot nearby will become the county's structured parking deck as part of the FCC deal.

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16 minutes ago, mcmicken said:

Model does not own those lots, the City/Corporation for Findlay Market does.

 

Though at least one other large parking lot nearby will become the county's structured parking deck as part of the FCC deal.

 

The only thing fitting the definition of “parking lot” in the area that would possibly be big enough for a garage is the semi truck trailer parking lot on the northwest corner of Findlay Street and Central Parkway. Which I think would be a good location for one 


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Good to see more businesses/offices locating up north, especially filling the gap between Liberty and Findlay Market: https://www.bizjournals.com/cincinnati/news/2019/05/28/exclusive-fast-growing-cincinnati-company-preps.html

 

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The building at 1707 Race St. is about 7,000 square feet. Custom Pro Logistics will be moving about two dozen employees from its current space at 139 W. McMicken Ave. to the Race Street building. The company moved into Over-the-Rhine in February of 2016, leasing about 1,600 square feet of space.

Custom Pro Logistics purchased the previously vacant building from Cincinnati Center City Development Corp. Construction started in March 2018.

 

 

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17 hours ago, edale said:

 

?? 

 

The dog grooming place. 

 

So we're turning over space in a historic district to creatures who can't possibly appreciate it. 

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Well to be fair, I think a lot of the people who currently live and play in OTR (more the latter group) don't appreciate how unique it is either. 


“To an Ohio resident - wherever he lives - some other part of his state seems unreal.”

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2 minutes ago, jmecklenborg said:

The dog grooming place. 

 

So we're turning over space in a historic district to creatures who can't possibly appreciate it. 

I hesitated in responding because I honestly can't tell if you're being sarcastic or sincere. If you're just being sarcastic, fine. Wuf Pet Spa is opening at 1812 Race St only opening because because residents (humans!) live in and appreciate the historic district. There is no sense in which humans are "turning over" the neighborhood to dogs. Many of my neighbors have dogs and it makes the neighborhood a place people want to live. 

 

(I have no idea if their business will succeed. I'm a dog-owner in OTR and I'm perfectly happy to give my dog showers at home so I doubt I'll be one of their customers. As a resident, I'm just glad to see a previously vacant storefront occupied.)

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Urban dogs can become quite a nuisance, quickly. All it takes is one careless owner refusing to clean up after their pet, and in a "broken windows theory" style escalation entire neighborhoods can become covered in feces. Hopefully the sort of person that takes their dog to a posh groomer isn't the sort of person who refuses to pick up poop, but I've seen stranger things.

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You can set up a dog-oriented business in the breakroom of an abandoned warehouse and it will have a million people in and out of it all the time. You cannot go wrong location-wise. Appalachia is full of people breeding dogs and getting people to drive from Cleveland to Lawrence County daily.

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2 hours ago, jmecklenborg said:

 

The dog grooming place. 

 

So we're turning over space in a historic district to creatures who can't possibly appreciate it. 

Suburbanites? /S

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if the owners do allow their pets to take a two on the streets of OTR, the people will enjoy the unique atmosphere OTR, and the pets will enjoy marking the neighborhood up. Happy pets. happy owners

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4 hours ago, Ram23 said:

Urban dogs can become quite a nuisance, quickly. All it takes is one careless owner refusing to clean up after their pet, and in a "broken windows theory" style escalation entire neighborhoods can become covered in feces. Hopefully the sort of person that takes their dog to a posh groomer isn't the sort of person who refuses to pick up poop, but I've seen stranger things.

Seriously?  There are tons of dogs already in downtown in in OTR and the area has not turned into a "neighborhood covered in feces."  

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18 hours ago, Cincy513 said:

Seriously?  There are tons of dogs already in downtown in in OTR and the area has not turned into a "neighborhood covered in feces."  

 

My street, near the border of OTR and CUF is covered in feces as we speak. It can happen fast - all it takes is one person letting their poop fester, and others soon follow suit. So far as I can tell, it's not explicitly illegal to not clean up after your pet, despite the fact it's pretty unsanitary.

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19 minutes ago, Ram23 said:

 

My street, near the border of OTR and CUF is covered in feces as we speak. It can happen fast - all it takes is one person letting their poop fester, and others soon follow suit. So far as I can tell, it's not explicitly illegal to not clean up after your pet, despite the fact it's pretty unsanitary.

 

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Sec. 701-30. - Dog Excrement Removal.

 

No person shall allow a dog under his or her control to be upon public property or upon the property of another, absent the consent of the owner or occupant of the property, without some device for the removal and containment of such dog's excrement; nor shall any person fail to remove any excrement deposited by any dog under his or her control on public or private property.

This section shall not apply to guide dogs under the control of a blind person.

 

The maximum fine is $25, which seems a little low, but it's still illegal.

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34 Greene St, the long 2 story non historic building, that takes up a whole block is being request for demolition by Findley Land Investors LLC in the latest HCB. 

 

The current building is very ugly and a new development would be very welcome at that location.

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It would be great to see that building torn down and replaced by a 5 story building with ground floor retail and 4 stories of apartments or condos above. Since all of the other buildings at that corner are 4-5 stories tall, that would be an appropriate scale.

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Sugar n' Spice adding second location in iconic OTR space

 

Beloved Paddock Hills restaurant Sugar n' Spice is expanding to a second location with plans to open in an iconic Over-the-Rhine space later this year.

Sugar n' Spice, which has built a cult following over nearly 80 years of business at 4381 Reading Road, will open its second location in the former Joe's Diner on Sycamore space at 1203 Sycamore St. in Over-the-Rhine. The goal is to open in time for the winter holidays.

 

https://www.bizjournals.com/cincinnati/news/2019/06/04/exclusive-sugar-n-spice-adding-second-location-in.html?utm_content=1559678722&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter

 

 

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Amazon could announce they were going to put ten thousand high-paying tech jobs downtown and this would still be the best news of the week. I hope it's maximally garish. 

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6 minutes ago, tonyt3524 said:

Sugar n' Spice adding second location in iconic OTR space

 

Beloved Paddock Hills restaurant Sugar n' Spice is expanding to a second location with plans to open in an iconic Over-the-Rhine space later this year.

Sugar n' Spice, which has built a cult following over nearly 80 years of business at 4381 Reading Road, will open its second location in the former Joe's Diner on Sycamore space at 1203 Sycamore St. in Over-the-Rhine. The goal is to open in time for the winter holidays.

 

https://www.bizjournals.com/cincinnati/news/2019/06/04/exclusive-sugar-n-spice-adding-second-location-in.html?utm_content=1559678722&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter

 

 

 

 

How much money have investors lost at that corner over the past 35 years?

 

 

 

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It's about time! Now if 1113 Sycamore can get out of the ground, Sycamore may actually start becoming a more interesting street!


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-Friedrich Nietzsche

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34 minutes ago, Pdrome513 said:

Amazon could announce they were going to put ten thousand high-paying tech jobs downtown and this would still be the best news of the week. I hope it's maximally garish. 

 

Yeah considering Amazon treats their white-collar workers just as bad as their blue-collar ones and keeps them on-site and mostly unable to spend money in the neighborhood due to the long hours and in-sourced food, one restaurant probably is better. Ask people around Seattle how little Amazon has done for the street life of its neighborhoods. They are not like say, the insurance companies that make Hartford Connecticut so vibrant and help local business owners also make a lot of money.

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Wow couldn't ask for a better restaurant to take that diner space.  I've been waiting years for someone smart to open up there and now it's going to be the second location for one of the better breakfast locations in the city.  With the owner being pretty young I don't think it will take very long for them to figure out opening late on the weekends would be a huge money maker.  

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Five blocks of Sycamore already has Ziegle PArk, Ziegler Pool, Alumni Lofts 142 Units, a 500 car underground garage, Nicola's, The Peaslee Center, my new building and the proposed 1113 project. I'm not sure where there is more going on anywhere.

 

As for nighttime hours at the Diner, it will never happen.

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18 minutes ago, 1400 Sycamore said:

As for nighttime hours at the Diner, it will never happen.

 

why?

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15 hours ago, 1400 Sycamore said:

Five blocks of Sycamore already has Ziegle PArk, Ziegler Pool, Alumni Lofts 142 Units, a 500 car underground garage, Nicola's, The Peaslee Center, my new building and the proposed 1113 project. I'm not sure where there is more going on anywhere.

 

As for nighttime hours at the Diner, it will never happen.

what is the 1113 project?

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Sugar n spice is an institution. I've always complained about the lack of day time activity around that strectch of main... With the added new construction development across the street and injecting a popular day time breakfast option can boost the pedestrian life on that block. 

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I love this area of downtown.  It's quieter/less vehicle traffic than OTR-proper, but has similar buildings, all kinds of cool businesses, and a strong arts culture. It feels more European than OTR does right now.  That may be because it is more filled out though (given its smaller size).

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Maybe its just me, but I feel like this has been a real, "lull" for OTR thus far this year.

 

Normally when you drive around OTR you see bustling frenzy of new infill, and rehabs. Things feel very slow so far this year for whatever reason. 

 

Usually 3cdc has multiple projects going on around OTR, and so far are only they are only working on the rehab of the Columbia building. I know they are pulling away from OTR, but it doesn't really seem like any developer is keen to pick up where 3cdc left off...

 

Just scrolling the past few past months of HCB packets and there is hardly any infill projects going on in OTR. Usually, you'll see some stuff here and there proposed, whether it be a major project or a single lot infill project. This year nada.

 

Not sure if this is concerning or not...Is the otr market cooling off? It just seems like for the past few years you would get a steady stream of new infill projects, both big and small and thus far it's been eerily quiet compared to the subsequent years. 

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1 hour ago, troeros said:

Maybe its just me, but I feel like this has been a real, "lull" for OTR thus far this year.

 

Normally when you drive around OTR you see bustling frenzy of new infill, and rehabs. Things feel very slow so far this year for whatever reason. 

 

Usually 3cdc has multiple projects going on around OTR, and so far are only they are only working on the rehab of the Columbia building. I know they are pulling away from OTR, but it doesn't really seem like any developer is keen to pick up where 3cdc left off...

 

Just scrolling the past few past months of HCB packets and there is hardly any infill projects going on in OTR. Usually, you'll see some stuff here and there proposed, whether it be a major project or a single lot infill project. This year nada.

 

Not sure if this is concerning or not...Is the otr market cooling off? It just seems like for the past few years you would get a steady stream of new infill projects, both big and small and thus far it's been eerily quiet compared to the subsequent years. 

"Normally". 10 years ago we would have killed for the amount of renovation happening in Over-the-Rhine. It's fine, just a lull, though the nature of increased property costs and construction cost increases probably are slowing things a bit.

 

3CDC has active projects other than the Columbia, there are also some big 3CDC projects in the works still, as well as a number of small developers including infill. Model is on phase 3 of the Market Square but that is almost all north of Findlay so no one sees it. East McMicken has a number of projects in pre-development that will pop in the next year.There are a couple of infill projects on Vine south of Liberty in the pipeline and at least one large project on Vine north of Liberty permitted and ready to start (1725 Vine). If either of the monster projects on Sycamore or Freeport Row kick off there will be ton of activity.

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I'm glad it is balancing out, CBD and Findlay Market area are starting to get hot and fill out.  3CDC will complete the Kroger OTR redevelopment and finish out their south of Liberty landbank and leave the rest south of Liberty to smaller fish. Lots of residential coming online in CBD, which will help drive sustainable growth throughout the basin.

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Bretzel has closed it's doors. They said that the new parking restrictions have forced them to become unprofitable and close their business.

 

https://www.bizjournals.com/cincinnati/news/2019/06/14/exclusive-soft-pretzel-bakery-to-close-otr-parking.html?iana=hpmvp_cinci_news_headline

 

This marks the 3rd OTR Business (The Anchor, The Rook, and now Bretzel) to close in just the past 5 months. Weird trend...

 

 

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