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OTR Community Council elections for the Board of Trustees will be happening in the next few months. If you're a resident of OTR and you're passionate about our neighborhood, I would encourage you to a) consider running for the Board, and b) definitely make sure your membership is active so that you can vote in June. A few key dates:

  • April 30 is deadline to nominate yourself for the board (details below)
  • May 20th meeting is the deadline to make sure your membership is valid to vote. This is also the date of when candidates will have time to speak (briefly) to present themselves.
  • June 24th meeting is when voting will occur.

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Dear Community Member,
 
This is a friendly reminder that the Over-the-Rhine Community Council election takes place at our monthly meeting on Monday, June 24th.  Voting will open at 6:00pm and close at 7:30pm. 
 
On that day we elect 13 trustees.  If you are interested in running as a candidate for a trustee you must be a paid up member in good standing and fill out this form.
 
You can hand in the form to the Nominating Committee at our council meeting on April 22nd or send it by email tobonsunflower@gmail.com or call Bonnie, 513-295-3881, to arrange to drop it off.  The deadline for applicants is April 30, 2019. 
 
To vote in this election you must purchase your membership by Monday May 20th (our monthly meeting in May is on the 3rd Monday due to Memorial Day being on the 4th Monday).
 
On Monday May 20th,  all candidates will have the opportunity to address the membership briefly at our monthly meeting. 
 
From the Nominating Committee
Bonnie Neumeier, Chair
June Alexander
Michael Flood  

 

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I remember when Hen of the Woods announced plans for a restaurant at 1434 Main St... back around 2014. Here's some more to the story about how they made the shift to focus on just potato chips: https://www.cincinnati.com/story/entertainment/dining/2019/04/17/hen-woods-potato-chips-grew-marckwalds-restaurant-project/3413727002/

 

The article doesn't clarify what happened to the building/space on Main. Did they just make it their personal residence? An LLC bought the property in 2018, but not sure if any changes to the building have happened. That interior courtyard and roll-up garage door would make for a great restaurant patio. 

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^ I can't share the specifics, but someone with a history of working on restoring historic buildings has purchased the old Hen Of The Woods building and has a concept in mind for the space. If things go according to plan, that patio area will be open to the public in a couple of years...

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I've had hen of the wood chips before. Average at best and expensive. I don't really see them sticking around that long tbh. Seems like they went the easy way out and thought that the chip business would be less effort and more profitable. 

 

 

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I think Hen of the Wood chips are really good. Kudos to them for starting something new. 

 

24 minutes ago, troeros said:

less effort and more profitable. 

 

 

 

Uhh... that’s kind of the main goal of a successful business

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24 minutes ago, thebillshark said:

I think Hen of the Wood chips are really good. Kudos to them for starting something new. 

 

 

Uhh... that’s kind of the main goal of a successful business

 

Yeah but their dream was to operate a restaurant. Life is somewhat pointless if you just follow the trail that makes you money instead of what genuinely makes you feel inspired and happy. Doesn't seem to me that they really wanted to solely be a chips company, but it's making them money so they gave up on their real dream.

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12 minutes ago, troeros said:

 

Yeah but their dream was to operate a restaurant. Life is somewhat pointless if you just follow the trail that makes you money instead of what genuinely makes you feel inspired and happy. Doesn't seem to me that they really wanted to solely be a chips company, but it's making them money so they gave up on their real dream.

 

I’m sure they’ll be OK

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6 minutes ago, thebillshark said:

 

I’m sure they’ll be OK

 

Im sure they will be. But will they be geuninely happy? Memento mori, remember you will die. Memento Vivrie, remember to live. 

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They are happy making potato chips. They started it as a way to fund their restaurant project but their chips became popular and they stuck with that. I've seen plenty of passion project restaurants start and fail (LOOKING AT YOU FORK ❤️KNIFE) because the restauranteur was passionate about food but was burned out by the crowds and the demand. 

 

If chips work for them then great. They will find their own happiness. 

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54 minutes ago, troeros said:

Yeah but their dream was to operate a restaurant. Life is somewhat pointless if you just follow the trail that makes you money instead of what genuinely makes you feel inspired and happy. Doesn't seem to me that they really wanted to solely be a chips company, but it's making them money so they gave up on their real dream.


Making money makes a lot of people happy. Regardless, there are a million reasons why a restaurant project doesn't get off the ground, it seems ignorant to just say they gave up on their dream.

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40 minutes ago, troeros said:

 

Im sure they will be. But will they be geuninely happy? Memento mori, remember you will die. Memento Vivrie, remember to live. 

make the money... then do what you want after, aka open the restaurant after you have a steady stream of money coming in from the chips and can afford for the restaurant to fail.  

 

I spoke to a bar owner who owns several successful bars and he was telling me about a new concept. He said i have money now so i do do things that are fun to me and if it fails it doesn't matter. 

 

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1 hour ago, JYP said:

They are happy making potato chips. They started it as a way to fund their restaurant project but their chips became popular and they stuck with that. I've seen plenty of passion project restaurants start and fail (LOOKING AT YOU FORK ❤️KNIFE) because the restauranteur was passionate about food but was burned out by the crowds and the demand. 

 

If chips work for them then great. They will find their own happiness. 

 I just want to say thanks for the fork heart knife throw back!  Such an interesting microcosm of the neighborhood, played out in an incredibly short time frame.  Makes me want to hop even further into the way back machine and grabbing a beer at Coopers.

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High-end condos coming above Findlay Market

 

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A developer plans to build up to five luxury condos above a bakery at Findlay Market, one of the first projects that will come online as a result of the city unloading upper-floor shells it owns above retail space at the historic venue.

 

More below:

https://www.bizjournals.com/cincinnati/news/2019/04/18/high-end-condos-coming-above-findlay-market-photos.html


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On 4/17/2019 at 10:56 AM, troeros said:

 

Yeah but their dream was to operate a restaurant. Life is somewhat pointless if you just follow the trail that makes you money instead of what genuinely makes you feel inspired and happy. Doesn't seem to me that they really wanted to solely be a chips company, but it's making them money so they gave up on their real dream.

 

What a dumb thing to say.   You don't know what makes them happy and what doesn't.  You have no idea if they wanted to be solely a chips company or not. Plans change.  Don't make assumptions based on ignorance.

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On 4/17/2019 at 1:56 PM, troeros said:

 

 Life is somewhat pointless if you just follow the trail that makes you money instead of what genuinely makes you feel inspired and happy. 

 

Not to argue for the sake of arguing, but this is exactly what I'm doing and it's going OK.

If I was doing my dream job I'd be a city planner, but there's not as much flexibility in public policy fields as there is in engineering.

 

Sometimes it's worth understanding that people work to live, not the other way around.

It's part of the reason why there's been not enough younger people going into skilled trades in recent years... nobody wants to be a plumber, but people need plumbers every day so if you know how to do it it's possible to make an excellent living with a relatively low barrier to entry.

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10 hours ago, SWOH said:

 

Not to argue for the sake of arguing, but this is exactly what I'm doing and it's going OK.

If I was doing my dream job I'd be a city planner, but there's not as much flexibility in public policy fields as there is in engineering.

 

Sometimes it's worth understanding that people work to live, not the other way around.

It's part of the reason why there's been not enough younger people going into skilled trades in recent years... nobody wants to be a plumber, but people need plumbers every day so if you know how to do it it's possible to make an excellent living with a relatively low barrier to entry.

 

Like the song Bittersweet Symphony goes, "Your a slave to the money, then you die."

 

I understand life is more complex about doing what you love versus providing food on the table. That said, if you never chase your dreams and just settle for the status quo you will lay on your death bed asking, "What if?"...and to me that's the worse kind of life to live. A life where you settled because it was the "safe" thing to do. 

 

Sure you live, make money and you die. But did you ever actually LIVE?

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10 minutes ago, troeros said:

Like the song Bittersweet Symphony goes, "Your a slave to the money, then you die."

 

I understand life is more complex about doing what you love versus providing food on the table. That said, if you never chase your dreams and just settle for the status quo you will lay on your death bed asking, "What if?"...and to me that's the worse kind of life to live. A life where you settled because it was the "safe" thing to do. 

 

Sure you live, make money and you die. But did you ever actually LIVE?


This is getting pretty off-topic, but have you ever considered that maybe some people to work in order to do a passion that is not their 9-5 job? Maybe a hobby or volunteering is your passion, and your boring, comfortable, stable job allows you to be fulfilled with a passion outside of your work. 

 

I'm not disagreeing with you entirely, because I went into architecture because it is my passion. However, I don't look down on those that can't afford the luxury of doing what they love. 

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Apperantly workers are continually going in and out of the Diner on Sycamore Street. Appears some type of work is being done...anyone have any inside scoop?

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Teak is showing up on Google maps at 12th and Race OTR and the sign on the window says coming soon. 

 

Teak was a really popular resturaunt back in the day when it was at mt Adams and it will be great to see otr add Thai cusine to it's ever diverse portfolio.

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I noticed that too. Teak would be a great addition to OTR. It's odd that OTR keeps getting more pizza places, gastropubs, and craft cocktail bars, while we still don't have a good Thai place, a good Indian place (not counting Injoy which is more of a Chipotle-style takeout place), a good Chinese or Chinese-American place (I would love for something like Covington's AmerAsia to open in OTR), etc.

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59 minutes ago, taestell said:

I noticed that too. Teak would be a great addition to OTR. It's odd that OTR keeps getting more pizza places, gastropubs, and craft cocktail bars, while we still don't have a good Thai place, a good Indian place (not counting Injoy which is more of a Chipotle-style takeout place), a good Chinese or Chinese-American place (I would love for something like Covington's AmerAsia to open in OTR), etc.

 

Hope its someone other than Chanaka running Teak in OTR. He ran his location in Mount Adams into the ground. Ended up with food poisoning last time I ate in there and never went back. 

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2 hours ago, taestell said:

I noticed that too. Teak would be a great addition to OTR. It's odd that OTR keeps getting more pizza places, gastropubs, and craft cocktail bars, while we still don't have a good Thai place, a good Indian place (not counting Injoy which is more of a Chipotle-style takeout place), a good Chinese or Chinese-American place (I would love for something like Covington's AmerAsia to open in OTR), etc.

 

Does the cost of commercial rent have anything to do with that perhaps? I get the impression that leasing a store front in otr is pretty expensive nowadays and might be a deterrent for a lot of immigrant resturauntuers who are typically much more budget concious.  

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^ It probably does, as does the fact that almost every available commercial space is a lease. Many of the best hole-in-the-wall Chinese restaurants are in buildings owned by the folks running the restaurant, and many of them were purchased with cash. For example, Yum Yum is run by the same couple that owns the building. Off the top of my head, I'd say that most of the Chinese places in CUF are operated by the building owners, as well.

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The rents in OTR are probably a bit too expensive for a hole-in-the-wall type of place like Krishna or Thai Express, but I would think that a slightly more upscale type of restaurant or a "fusion" style place would do well. Green Papaya in Oakley comes to mind as the type of Thai and sushi place I wish was in OTR.

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I've noticed out in the suburbs of Mason/West Chester/Sharonville it's always in a old 80s era strip mall...which I'm also assuming means cheaper rent. 

 

It's funny, Mikey's Late Nite Slice actually looked at 3cdc owned buildings around south of liberty but 3cdc told them that they weren't looking for another pizza joint tenant. Yet 3cdc allowed Taglio to take over the old Lacheys spot. Go figure...

 

Last point, OTR is so saturated with, "American" fusion food that I know a good amount of people who have stopped going to OTR all together because they are simply tired of the lack of diverse offerings. 

 

Zundo, Teak, and I guess Quan Hapa/Kaze are a decent selection of Asian offerings. But I still hope 3cdc and Urban Sites begin to heavily target ethnic cuisine tenants that offer Korean/Vietnamese/indonesian food as well.

 

Also authentic Greek/Isreali food (Kinneret Cafe in Deer Park is amazing!!)/Ethiopian food is on my bucket list as well. 

 

I love the that otr is home to a handful of really successful resturaunt groups, but I can't help that their, "chains" doesn't differ all that much. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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I saw that Bridges Nepalese (formerly in Northside) is opening on Court Street near the new Kroger. So not exactly in OTR, but close. 

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On 4/20/2019 at 6:01 PM, troeros said:

Last point, OTR is so saturated with, "American" fusion food that I know a good amount of people who have stopped going to OTR all together because they are simply tired of the lack of diverse offerings.

 

I do think that 3CDC overplayed their hand a bit in the past few years. They assumed that OTR will always be Cincinnati's top restaurant and bar destination, and doubled-down on new concepts from Thunderdome, Dan Wright, A Tavloa/Taglio, etc. Meanwhile, several of Greater Cincinnati's other gentrifying urban areas have gotten a handful of good restaurants and bars, and a few (i.e. Covington or Northside) have become bigger destinations that compete directly with OTR. I think the addition of national retailers like Bonobos and Warby Parker to Vine Street shows that 3CDC is rethinking their strategy a bit and trying to find the type of retails that would only locate in OTR or the CBD.

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Does anyone know what is going on with these buildings? They are owned by a mixture of 3CDC and Model Group based on CAGIS. I included the sale date for each one.

 

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EDIT: Saw a couple of comments about these from November. It seems like 3CDC is making moves on acquisition. Hopefully something is actually brewing. Perhaps they are looking to get control of the other properties from Model Group.

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13 hours ago, ryanlammi said:

Does anyone know what is going on with these buildings? They are owned by a mixture of 3CDC and Model Group based on CAGIS. I included the sale date for each one.

 

image.thumb.png.2d03076e8ce96a985c3817ebdcc98681.png

 

EDIT: Saw a couple of comments about these from November. It seems like 3CDC is making moves on acquisition. Hopefully something is actually brewing. Perhaps they are looking to get control of the other properties from Model Group.

 

This stretch is one of the few eye sores on main Street...plus the empty boarded up buildings give refuge for some elicit activity at night and the homeless to take refuge on the stoop. 

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On 4/22/2019 at 9:12 AM, Largue said:

I saw that Bridges Nepalese (formerly in Northside) is opening on Court Street near the new Kroger. So not exactly in OTR, but close. 

 

They're still in Northside. The Court Street location will be a second location. 

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On 4/19/2019 at 4:40 PM, troeros said:

Apperantly workers are continually going in and out of the Diner on Sycamore Street. Appears some type of work is being done...anyone have any inside scoop?

I heard Hang Over Easy.  But just what I heard.

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23 minutes ago, BallHatGuy2 said:

I heard Hang Over Easy.  But just what I heard.

 

That would be a good spot for them. That said, I would they expand their hours since the Clifton location is only open till 4pm. A waffle house type of Hang Over Easy that has late night hours to cater to the bar crowd on weekends would be ideal.

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1 hour ago, BallHatGuy2 said:

I heard Hang Over Easy.  But just what I heard.

 

This makes a lot of sense. They also bought the Court Street Diner in Athens and are rebranding it as Hang Over Easy. 

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Yeah I don't know why someone hasn't just opened a late night diner in the existing location.  It would make a killing during weekend late night hours.  It would probably do pretty well during weekday lunches as well.  

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16 hours ago, ryanlammi said:

Does anyone know what is going on with these buildings? They are owned by a mixture of 3CDC and Model Group based on CAGIS. I included the sale date for each one.

 

The idea is that 3CDC and Model Group were going to buy the former Mercy Housing portfolio, renovate the apartments (keeping them affordable) and reactivate the retail spaces (which Mercy did not care about and kept vacant). However, after that was announced, Model Group sold their affordable housing division (Brickstone Properties) to a nonprofit called POAH. So I am not sure of the current status of that project. There doesn't appear to be anything happening with their Main Street properties.

 

In addition to the four buildings pictured above, they also own the building at 1338 Main Street and several on Woodward/Yukon right next to the newly renovated Ziegler Park, all of which appear to be completely vacant right now.

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I'm more surprised there isn't a chili parlor in OTR/Pendleton.  Like a Jim's Steaks of Chili on Main or Vine.

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1 hour ago, troeros said:

https://amp.cincinnati.com/amp/3541469002

 

Hopefully 3cdc purchases the Emery. That said, it sounds like it will cost alot of money to rennovate the theater.

 

I would have loved for MEMI and 3CDC to partner and renovate the Emery, like they did with Music Hall. Unfortunately, with MEMI focusing their energy on the new riverfront concert venue, I don't think there is any chance that the Emery gets turned into a concert venue.

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