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There's so many sub-generes of bicycle shop; it's staggering. It's always been like that too. When I was into BMX as a kid I couldn't believe how different each shop around Columbus was as far as product line, their main focus, decor and the overall feel of the shop.

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6 hours ago, troeros said:

Go down a strip mall in kenwood/or montgomery, you see a dry cleaners, next to a Verizon store, next to a starbucks, next to a half price book store, next to a LA Fitness, next to a Panera, next to a bicycle shop, next to a Dodds Camera store, next to a Traders Joe, next to Larosa's Pizza, next to a Fedex Office store, etc, etc...

 

I know what you are saying, and I also realize your list was meant to be just an example. But for me those types of stores either exist in downtown (or they have good substitutes) -- and I can walk to them, or I can't recall the last time I wanted to use one of those types of stores. I mean, I'm pushing 60 years old, but do millennials even use dry cleaners? Wouldn't they prefer a good and reliable pickup/dropoff laundry service if they did? For me, combining the new downtown Kroger with something like a downtown Target would get me to 90%.

 

 

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Everytime there's a "OTR Shooting" article on WCPO/Enquirer there are always 2 type of people commenting;

 

There is the person that still advocates for the neighborhood, and acknowledges that crime can happen anywhere. 

 

Then there is the person who screams, "Ghetto!" and persistently bashes the progress and the neighborhood and goes on to explain why they will never step foot into OTR.

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1 hour ago, troeros said:

Everytime there's a "OTR Shooting" article on WCPO/Enquirer there are always 2 type of people commenting;

 

There is the person that still advocates for the neighborhood, and acknowledges that crime can happen anywhere. 

 

Then there is the person who screams, "Ghetto!" and persistently bashes the progress and the neighborhood and goes on to explain why they will never step foot into OTR.

I think a lot of the parts of OTR that are not changing as quickly are where 99% of these shooting are occurring. In due time things will change. All of OTR south of Liberty I always feels safe walking. Once I get North of Liberty with the exception of right around Findlay Market I do not feel as safe ( more so meaning if it was later in the evening as opposed to 3pm). A lot of ppl don’t realize that at 15 years or so ago none of OTR was safe

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11 minutes ago, Ucgrad2015 said:

I think a lot of the parts of OTR that are not changing as quickly are where 99% of these shooting are occurring. In due time things will change. All of OTR south of Liberty I always feels safe walking. Once I get North of Liberty with the exception of right around Findlay Market I do not feel as safe ( more so meaning if it was later in the evening as opposed to 3pm). A lot of ppl don’t realize that at 15 years or so ago none of OTR was safe

 

Yes, I believe there has been only one shooting south of liberty street in 2018 on Moore St next to Mecca back in May. 

 

Even then, that part of south of liberty is still rough because of the lack of movement from the Wade's with there Walnut Street buildings.

 

But obviously that area is already changing with the 3cdc Meiner project and the future Kroger site project.

 

Still, I get otr is not 100 percent safe. I get that there are alot of criminals who still abide there, and still alot of very rough poverty in certain stretches of north of liberty. 

 

That said, by denying otr completely, you are denying so much of what Cincy has to offer. Its just a shame about some people's mentalities I guess.

 

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1 hour ago, troeros said:

 

Yes, I believe there has been only one shooting south of liberty street in 2018 on Moore St next to Mecca back in May. 

 

Even then, that part of south of liberty is still rough because of the lack of movement from the Wade's with there Walnut Street buildings.

 

But obviously that area is already changing with the 3cdc Meiner project and the future Kroger site project.

 

Still, I get otr is not 100 percent safe. I get that there are alot of criminals who still abide there, and still alot of very rough poverty in certain stretches of north of liberty. 

 

That said, by denying otr completely, you are denying so much of what Cincy has to offer. Its just a shame about some people's mentalities I guess.

 

It just sucks to have people bash OTR. It’s my favorite part of the city and when ppl visit the city that’s where you want to take them to experience cincinnati. I wouldn’t take anyone up to anywhere say Mason or West Chester (unless it was Ikea). 

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Just wanted to give an update on OTR's growing nightlife and dining scene. Here's what's opening soon....

 

Urban Axes - Just opened this weekend next to Rhinegeist

 

Northern Row Brewery Taproom - No clue

 

Odd Fellows Bar + Mikeys Late Nite Slice - Should open by early Feb


Social OTR - No clue, but seems soon.

 

Food Hall from Hickory Wald Group - No Clue

 

CHX (fried chicken join next to 3 points brewery) - Probably by late Jan

 

BrewDog TapRoom + Resturaunt - They said Summer 2019?

 

Babushka Perogies + Vodka Bar - March-ish

 

Platform Brewery Tap Room - End of Jan? Idk that place has taken foreverrrr to open

 

Holiday Spirts (bar + taco stand from Senate Group) - Probably late Feb/Early March

 

Vine St Italian Restaurant from Thunderdome Group -  They said Spring?

 

Taglio Pizzeria + Bar (taking former Lachey's Spot) - They said Spring?

 

Lost and Found OTR (bar next to Empower Media Marketing building) - No Clue, I'm guessing spring. 

 

 

Growth as far as bars/restaurants are concerned are still going quite steady. Walnut St can obviously use more establishments (but the Columbia building is being rehabbed by 3cdc this year and should be done by summer)...Also I'm hoping that Main St will continue it's growth as well. Last year was a really successful year for Main St...but I'm still hoping for a few more restaurants scattered about, and would also not be upset if a few more unique concept bars opened as well. Lastly, I'm still holding out for a major upscale club to land somewhere on Main or OTR proper...Mr. Pitifuls is cramped, the drinkery is basically mr.pitifuls copy/pasted...and OTR Live/Treehouse makes you feel really out of place at times...

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Platform is an interesting brewery to say the least. They have been rapidly growing into different markets like crazy... Just recently announced a Pittsburgh taproom for this year...can't tell if this expansion will crush them or help them prevail to be a leading craft brewery. 

 

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On 8/16/2018 at 3:00 PM, thebillshark said:

I hope whatever it is preserves Grear alley. It’s a long, brick, great historic alley with some building entrances fronting it and a connection to the little pocket park & Pendleton businesses.

 

I’d actually like to see townhomes fronting the alley. Would be unique to Cincinnati if they did something like that & be like the screenshots of the narrow streets in Philadelphia that someone posted awhile back.

 All about that. Working on a proposal for the alley corridor from Main Street to Reading Road, at least for full enhancement of the space. It's an untapped gateway. 

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On 7/30/2018 at 4:14 PM, jmecklenborg said:

It's not unrealistic at this point to expect a wildly transformed area, including renovation of the Jackson Brewery, by 2025.  My one personal request would be for a stairway connection between W. Clifton at the bend (Zier Pl.) and Renner St. 

 

Also, if we had been applying for Tiger grants, we could have gotten a streetcar extension up McMicken St. to Mohawk Corner built for free by this point.   

 

 

The Zier Place ROW actually runs as far west as the Renner Street bend.

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On 1/15/2019 at 9:18 PM, Blue Line said:

 All about that. Working on a proposal for the alley corridor from Main Street to Reading Road, at least for full enhancement of the space. It's an untapped gateway. 

 

Cincinnati did used to have alleys like this, there actually is an old synogague in downtown by the aranoff that was converted into housing that sits in the alleyway.

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I was at 16 bit last night and unfortunately a triple shooting occurred while I was there. 

 

3 men shooting each other on the street and could've easily hit a by stander. Sad and I hope this won't hurt otr reputation

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OTR is still one of the top most dangerous neighborhoods in the city despite all the recent progress.  I imagine it will be decades before that is no longer the case.  This is just another reminder to be careful when in the neighborhood.


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Yes there is still lots of illicit activities south of Liberty that very sadly can turn into violence quickly. The only way that gets cleaned up completely is when they renovate buildings that are abandoned to turn trap houses into actual houses. I also think the Liberty Street Project will help with lighting a bit going into that area of Walnut and Liberty

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1 hour ago, bfwissel said:

OTR is still one of the top most dangerous neighborhoods in the city despite all the recent progress.  I imagine it will be decades before that is no longer the case.  This is just another reminder to be careful when in the neighborhood.

 

Yet there are single family homes listed for 1.5 million in some cases... It's quite strange that some folks are living in 600k dollar luxery condo with a triple shooting casually occurring on there doorstep.. And despite all this crime people still yearn to live in otr. It's really interesting to say the least!

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22 minutes ago, IAGuy39 said:

Yes there is still lots of illicit activities south of Liberty that very sadly can turn into violence quickly. The only way that gets cleaned up completely is when they renovate buildings that are abandoned to turn trap houses into actual houses. I also think the Liberty Street Project will help with lighting a bit going into that area of Walnut and Liberty

 

Most of the south of liberty shootings have occurred on Walnut St or streets that intersects with Walnut next to the 15th block. 

 

I believe the last south liberty shooting occurred on Vine close to the Kroger store a few years back.

 

Since then they have mostly been concentrated next to the last block of Walnut and liberty.

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Quite a bit of construction activity on the west (edit) side of the 1700 block of Vine. The large building at 1721-1727 has finished most of the interior renovation and they are about to begin construction of the new addition in the rear. They are expecting to finish in the next ~9 months. 

 

The corner building at 1739 Vine has new roofing going in today. Not sure of the timing for the rest of the renovation, but even as an active construction site, it will be an improvement over its current status.

 

 

 

 

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^ wow that's great news. Sounds like buying over on that block, with what's been done already on Race, is no longer a crazy venture. 

 

BTW I think you may have meant "west" side of vine.

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EXCLUSIVE: Art Academy plans major expansion in Over-the-Rhine

By David Holthaus – Courier contributor

 

The 150-year-old Art Academy of Cincinnati is planning a major expansion meant to raise its visibility, house new high-tech programs in film and animation, and serve as a working and teaching space for Cincinnati’s design and marketing community.

The expansion will be called Future House and will make use of the former BarrelHouse Brewery space on 12th Street in Over-the-Rhine. That space has gone unused for years but is part of the Art Academy's main facility at 12th and Jackson streets in the heart of the neighborhood. 

 

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3 hours ago, The_Cincinnati_Kid said:

EXCLUSIVE: Art Academy plans major expansion in Over-the-Rhine

By David Holthaus – Courier contributor

 

The 150-year-old Art Academy of Cincinnati is planning a major expansion meant to raise its visibility, house new high-tech programs in film and animation, and serve as a working and teaching space for Cincinnati’s design and marketing community.

The expansion will be called Future House and will make use of the former BarrelHouse Brewery space on 12th Street in Over-the-Rhine. That space has gone unused for years but is part of the Art Academy's main facility at 12th and Jackson streets in the heart of the neighborhood. 

 

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Aside from all the cool things mentioned for the expansion of the art institute, it will be really to have an additional restaurant on the ground floor and a roof top bar will be quite popular considering how tall the building is.

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I’m glad for the Art Academy. Considering they have such a large building right on 12th, their “presence” is surprisingly missable. I love that they’re in OTR and this project should make it more visible, which is good. 

 

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The Art Academy has always been a very small school, even as compared to other independent art schools.  It's probably smaller than DAAP's art program.  Some like SCAD and the Art Institute of Chicago have thousands of students.  But many of the independent schools have at least 500 students.  KCAI in Kansas City has 600. 

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1 hour ago, jmecklenborg said:

The Art Academy has always been a very small school, even as compared to other independent art schools.  It's probably smaller than DAAP's art program.  Some like SCAD and the Art Institute of Chicago have thousands of students.  But many of the independent schools have at least 500 students.  KCAI in Kansas City has 600. 

 

Makes me wonder if they would ever expand there campus and purchase the corner lot from 3cdc on 12th and Vine.

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What's interesting is that their circa-2004 move from Mt. Adams to OTR occurred well before 3CDC did anything at all in the area.  They could have bought up a bunch of property for cheap at that time but did not.  In fact I think they still might have housing around 12th St. in what are now 3CDC-managed buildings.  For example, I remember going to a party at some art academy student's apartment above what is now Taste of Belgium when that was still an abandoned storefront (I think it became the original Gateway Quarter leasing office around 2009 and then Taste of Belgium moved in around 2011). 

 

So now the Art Academy is landlocked by expensive properties in all directions, which is not a good situation for any institution.  They're right back to the situation they were in in Mt. Adams -- in order to expand economically, they'll have to buy something pretty far away and have a campus split between two nodes. 

 

 

 

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The Art Academy owns 1217-1225 Walnut Street. That's a 9,000 SF site. If they built as tall as the building they are remodeling, they could add somewhere around 54,000 SF. Their existing property might be around 120,000 SF. So, on their existing site they could accommodate ~174,000 SF. That's not insignificant. As a comparison, the entire DAA-Alms-Aronoff-Wolfson complex is 295,000 SF. 

As for housing the students, I feel like they could build a dormitory or lease out a building anywhere two blocks from the streetcar and justify it as student housing.

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5 hours ago, taestell said:

Platform's tap room at 1200 Main will be having a soft opening this weekend, 4pm to Midnight on Saturday.

 

 

 

Why do you say "soft" opening? Isn't a "soft" opening usually reserved for friends/family/invitees, as opposed to the "grand" opening that welcomes all of the public? Don't mean to be pedantic... just curious. 

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I usually see the phrase "soft opening" associated with a place being open to the general public but not heavily advertised, and running somewhat limited hours, before the "grand opening" which is more heavily advertised and usually when full hours begin.

 

With that being said, I just noticed that Platform is actually referring to this as the "grand opening" in their post.

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On ‎1‎/‎19‎/‎2019 at 7:35 PM, Chas Wiederhold said:

The Art Academy owns 1217-1225 Walnut Street. That's a 9,000 SF site. If they built as tall as the building they are remodeling, they could add somewhere around 54,000 SF. Their existing property might be around 120,000 SF. So, on their existing site they could accommodate ~174,000 SF. That's not insignificant. As a comparison, the entire DAA-Alms-Aronoff-Wolfson complex is 295,000 SF. 

As for housing the students, I feel like they could build a dormitory or lease out a building anywhere two blocks from the streetcar and justify it as student housing.

 

Do they also own the lot at the SE corner of Jackson & 13th?

 

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15 hours ago, jmecklenborg said:

 

Do they also own the lot at the SE corner of Jackson & 13th?

 

 

They own a quarter circle at the corner where the art bike rack is, but the remainder of the lot is owned by "Jackson Street Interests LLC"

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I took a walk through OTR yesterday afternoon (Sunday) and it was the first time I’ve seen this residential parking plan in action. I was a little shocked. There were open spots, sometimes several, on every block (even 14th Street across from the park.) Also it looked like only about 75% of the parked cars had the OTR parking permit sticker displayed in the windshield so it looks like there’s a long ways to go towards full compliance (I only saw one or two tickets on windshields.) 

 

There will be consequences from this policy, good or bad I can’t tell yet and also probably some effects that no one can conceive of right now and aren’t on anybody’s radar. I wonder if the number of passes distributed are anywhere near whatever projections they had.

 

I hope that it gives developers confidence to build without off street parking included in their projects.  But also, if was still a resident there I’d consider canceling my $100 per month spot in the garage and trying street parking which is not the intent  of the policy I’m sure. 


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^yeah, I don't think they've started to enforce the parking stickers yet.  Haven't seen a single ticket.  

 

Also, I think they plan on installing meters on 12th and south side of Liberty, but neither has been done, so parking is still free there without a sticker.

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51 minutes ago, thebillshark said:

But also, if was still a resident there I’d consider canceling my $100 per month spot in the garage and trying street parking which is not the intent  of the policy I’m sure. 

 

That's definitely an issue. 

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I'm not sure a Sunday afternoon is the best time to judge this, especially Superbowl Sunday.  At night would be when the most amount of people are home.  

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1 hour ago, Cincy513 said:

I'm not sure a Sunday afternoon is the best time to judge this, especially Superbowl Sunday.  At night would be when the most amount of people are home.  

 

I agree. Alot of my friends who live in otr were traveling to party at different bars or friends houses to watcht the big game.

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They are ticketing now. I would be curious to know how many residential parking passes have been sold compared to how many spaces they have dedicated to the program. I also see empty spaces at various times of the day. It's probably too soon to start making changes, but if this continues to be the case, it might make sense to tweak the program to reduce the number of reserved spaces by converting some of them back to metered or maybe looking at what Columbus did with their Short North parking permit program, where non-residents can still park in those zones at certain times.

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2 hours ago, thebillshark said:

But also, if was still a resident there I’d consider canceling my $100 per month spot in the garage and trying street parking which is not the intent  of the policy I’m sure. 

 

And right on cue, I just got an email informing me that the Ziegler Park rate is going up to $100/month starting in March.

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