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Just looked through historic buildings agenda.

 

Wrote this down as 3CDC is selling some buildings for redevelopment to a new developer.

 

I am seeing:

1505 Republic: 7 Units

1513 Republic: 8 Units

1515 Republic: 8 Units

 

Also I saw on the paperwork 24-26 W. 15th Street but I didn't see any details on that but they had financials for it:

 

24-26 W. 15th Street

 

https://www.google.com/maps/@39.1114289,-84.5172547,3a,30y,50.7h,98.78t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1szLFjjkv9m23f0ohvMhf95A!2e0!7i13312!8i6656

 

1503 Republic:

 

https://www.google.com/maps/@39.1118927,-84.5165238,3a,75y,229.82h,108.01t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sHYLMWBlTpSQizppc-EA5qw!2e0!7i13312!8i6656

 

1513-1515 Republic:

 

https://www.google.com/maps/@39.1120809,-84.5165711,3a,75y,246.7h,112.18t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sHd1m-GxKCWXgURYShJ92gQ!2e0!7i13312!8i6656

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6 hours ago, DEPACincy said:

 

Street trees are also such a big issue here. I've had friends visit from Philly, DC, and NYC and they all commented on the lack of trees in and around downtown and OTR. The city really needs a street tree program. Maybe they have one and it just sucks? I don't know. 

 

DC has had buried utilities from the very beginning, correct?  And I can't imagine that NYC allowed much in Manhattan. 

 

BTW, the street trees planted around 1975 on Jefferson Ave. are now getting really big:

https://www.google.com/maps/@39.1317622,-84.5112156,3a,75y,215.87h,100.48t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1spGMISKCs40IGgLYjsTm5eQ!2e0!7i13312!8i6656

 

 

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30 minutes ago, jmecklenborg said:

 

DC has had buried utilities from the very beginning, correct?  And I can't imagine that NYC allowed much in Manhattan. 

 

BTW, the street trees planted around 1975 on Jefferson Ave. are now getting really big:

https://www.google.com/maps/@39.1317622,-84.5112156,3a,75y,215.87h,100.48t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1spGMISKCs40IGgLYjsTm5eQ!2e0!7i13312!8i6656

 

 

 

Yea I think you're right. But I'm more concerned about the lack of street trees Downtown and in OTR where they're even more important to create a pleasant environment. It looks like the city's urban forestry program will provide street trees if you request them for your tree lawn. The two questions I have are:

 

1. Will they do this if you don't have a tree lawn? Like if I own a house in OTR and request one in front of my house will they plant one in a tree pit? 

 

and 

 

2. Why isn't this marketed better? In Philly, almost everyone is aware that they can get a street tree in front of their rowhouse if they request one from the city. If this is true in Cincinnati, we should do a better job making it known. 

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1 hour ago, DEPACincy said:

 

Yea I think you're right. But I'm more concerned about the lack of street trees Downtown and in OTR where they're even more important to create a pleasant environment. It looks like the city's urban forestry program will provide street trees if you request them for your tree lawn. The two questions I have are:

 

1. Will they do this if you don't have a tree lawn? Like if I own a house in OTR and request one in front of my house will they plant one in a tree pit? 

 

and 

 

2. Why isn't this marketed better? In Philly, almost everyone is aware that they can get a street tree in front of their rowhouse if they request one from the city. If this is true in Cincinnati, we should do a better job making it known. 

 

I don't know what the rules are regarding planting trees in sidewalks in urban areas like OTR and downtown. Are property owners allowed to do that?

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DIVISION OF OPERATIONS-LAND MANAGEMENT AND URBAN FORESTRY

Dave Gamstetter, Interim Division Manager
(513) 861-9070

 

URBAN FORESTRY

Robin Hunt (513) 861-9070

 

If anyone wants to call after the holiday go for it.  If not, I'll call since I have a question about the tree they cut down directly in front of our home and have recently ground down the stump.  When I contacted them earlier in the year I thought they said they'd be planting a new tree in the Fall, but it doesn't look like they have much time left.

 

P.S.  We live in southern OTR.


"Someone is sitting in the shade today because someone planted a tree a long time ago." - Warren Buffett 

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On 11/7/2018 at 9:20 PM, taestell said:

 

Very disappointing to see so much opposition to 1518 Race from nearby residents. It's a vacant lot now! Why in the world would you not want a dense residential development built there? Unfortunately, NIMBYism is taking over quickly in OTR.

 

One major shortcoming of the packets is that they only contain the recommendations of the historic conservator (Beth Johnson) to the HCB, and not the rulings of the HCB itself.  Also, once something has to come back for another hearing it is difficult to tell what new information is added and the latest recommendations (yellow and green highlights are not a clear system, perhaps they could date new material and label it "update.")  So, I don't know what the conclusion was in the case of 1518 Race Street, it is especially difficult to tell since the Conservator said they don't object to the density, then it says they recommend to the HCB denying zoning relief while recommending granting a certificate of appropriateness.

 

https://www.cincinnati-oh.gov/buildings/historic-conservation/historic-conservation-board/november-5-2018-staff-report-and-attachments/

 

In any case, the unit density from a four story building with unit square footages of 420-775 square feet as in the case of 1518 Race Street is entirely appropriate for Over the Rhine (and for almost any urban area really.)  It is disappointing to hear NIMBYs object to this, it seems to me the upper class homeowners are effectively excluding the "hordes" of the middle class from the neighborhood so they can keep their (misguided-even-for-pursuing-their-own-self-interest) control over what happens there, to the detriment of entrepreneurs opening new businesses that need customers.  Are the NIMBYs going to go out and eat extra dinners or pay extra taxes to make up for the housing units and added population they are permanently excluding from Over the Rhine?

 

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Does anyone have more information about who owns the now vacant and boarded up properties on main Street ( the side past Goodfellas) where the former shelters we're for old saint Mary's. 

 

It's such a prime location and main Street is growing rapidly now thanks to urban sites. 

 

Extremely surprised those collection of buildings are being left abandoned and boarded up still. I'm extremely curious who is sitting on those properties.

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I believe most of the vacant buildings on Main were previously part of the Mercy Housing portfolio, and were acquired by 3CDC and Model Group in early 2017:

 

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The Model Group and 3CDC also will acquire what’s known as the Mercy Housing portfolio, a group of 18 OTR buildings with 140 units. They will rehabilitate about half of those units that are in disrepair and make modest renovations to the others.

 

However, in September of this year, Model Group sold their affordable housing division, Brickstone Properties, to a Boston-based nonprofit:

 

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Model Group donated 20 properties with a total of more than 1,000 units to Preservation of Affordable Housing, a Boston-based nonprofit that preserves, creates and sustains affordable housing. The properties, which are located in neighborhoods such as Over-the-Rhine, Walnut Hills, Lower Price Hill, Evanston and Covington, were part of Model Group’s family affordable housing portfolio.

 

In addition, Model Group sold Brickstone Properties, its affordable housing property management company, to POAH Communities, which is POAH’s property management affiliate. About 55 Brickstone Properties employees are now part of POAH Communities. Terms of the acquisition were not disclosed.

 

 

So I am not sure about the status of the Main Street buildings but it should only be a matter of time before POAH renovates them.

 

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Not sure which thread to put this in, but I heard that 3CDC is proposing to create a Special Improvement District in OTR to add taxes to all properties in OTR to pay for the Ambassadors and sidewalk sweeping, flower pots etc ....

 

This same kind of special taxing district was floated during the streetcar debate as a way to help pay for the streetcar, but never got off the ground..  A similar district is already in place in downtown that funds DCI ...

 

Now the property values in OTR have improved enough to support such a district.  Not sure of the extent of the district, but owners of 60% of the street frontage in the district must vote to approve it....

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^That's a very logical move, and kind of surprising that it has taken this long. SIDs are working all around the state (downtowns including Cleveland, Dayton, Hamilton, Columbus, etc.) and in neighborhoods like the Short North and Discovery District in Columbus.

 

Hopefully there's some funding for infrastructure/streetscaping built in as well.

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3 hours ago, Jimmy Skinner said:

Not sure which thread to put this in, but I heard that 3CDC is proposing to create a Special Improvement District in OTR to add taxes to all properties in OTR to pay for the Ambassadors and sidewalk sweeping, flower pots etc ....

 

This same kind of special taxing district was floated during the streetcar debate as a way to help pay for the streetcar, but never got off the ground..  A similar district is already in place in downtown that funds DCI ...

 

Now the property values in OTR have improved enough to support such a district.  Not sure of the extent of the district, but owners of 60% of the street frontage in the district must vote to approve it....

 

There was a group about 10 years ago called Vitality OTR that looked into the idea of creating a SID for Over-the-Rhine, modeled after what DCI does for the Central Business District. I can't find any information about that group online, but someone who was involved in that group explained their findings to me once. The big difference between OTR and the CBD is that the CBD contains a lot of very large buildings with very high property values. So as long as most of the owners of the downtown office buildings mostly agree to support DCI, it's easy to meet the 60% threshold, and once passed, you can generate a good amount of revenue to be used for those services. Since OTR contains many smaller buildings with many different owners, it would be much harder to get 60% approval, and once you do, there is less property value to work with, so it's harder to raise money for those services.

 

It would be nice to see 3CDC and DCI work together on this, and maybe instead of creating a new SID, just expand the DCI SID to cover some of the touristy parts of OTR. Maybe the first step is to add everything south of 14th, east of Central Parkway, and West of Walnut to the SID. If it continues to pass with over 60%, maybe eventually extend it all the way north to Liberty Street.

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I believe that 3CDC gets some of its funding from the downtown SID.  Are they planning to take money from a new one?  Oh -- an imagine the outrage over even a small sum going to the streetcar! 

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There was a group about 10 years ago called Vitality OTR that looked into the idea of creating a SID for Over-the-Rhine, modeled after what DCI does for the Central Business District. I can't find any information about that group online, but someone who was involved in that group explained their findings to me once. The big difference between OTR and the CBD is that the CBD contains a lot of very large buildings with very high property values. So as long as most of the owners of the downtown office buildings mostly agree to support DCI, it's easy to meet the 60% threshold, and once passed, you can generate a good amount of revenue to be used for those services. Since OTR contains many smaller buildings with many different owners, it would be much harder to get 60% approval, and once you do, there is less property value to work with, so it's harder to raise money for those services.

 

It would be nice to see 3CDC and DCI work together on this, and maybe instead of creating a new SID, just expand the DCI SID to cover some of the touristy parts of OTR. Maybe the first step is to add everything south of 14th, east of Central Parkway, and West of Walnut to the SID. If it continues to pass with over 60%, maybe eventually extend it all the way north to Liberty Street.

 

Yours truly was the point person on establishing the SID for DCI back in the mid 90s.  You are correct in respect to the bold above.  We went through the ownership list of all properties within the boundary and mainly worked with the large owners, working our way down the list until we reached the threshold.  Most of the large corporations and property owners were supportive of the effort, so we only had to cobble together a few medium size ones to get it established.

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1 hour ago, jmecklenborg said:

I believe that 3CDC gets some of its funding from the downtown SID.  Are they planning to take money from a new one?  Oh -- an imagine the outrage over even a small sum going to the streetcar! 

 

I'm not sure 3CDC gets any funding from DCI. I know a few years ago, 3CDC actually paid DCI to have DCI's ambassadors come to OTR. Then at some point they stopped and now use their own 3CDC employees to perform that function in OTR.

 

It should also be noted that DCI is pretty pro-streetcar. They administer the VTICA fund and I believe they also donated some amount towards the free holiday weekends that are happening this year. If 3CDC pledged to also chip in to such efforts to market the streetcar, I would be much more likely to support their SID.

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3 hours ago, taestell said:

It would be nice to see 3CDC and DCI work together on this, and maybe instead of creating a new SID, just expand the DCI SID to cover some of the touristy parts of OTR. Maybe the first step is to add everything south of 14th, east of Central Parkway, and West of Walnut to the SID. If it continues to pass with over 60%, maybe eventually extend it all the way north to Liberty Street.

 

It would make sense to extend the current SID, I agree. Also just from a management perspective. You need an organization to run this, and who better than DCI.

 

And @ink yes on infrastructure improvements. Street lighting + burying utilities, over time.

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^DCI could manage the SID, even if the downtown SID and OTR SID were different legal districts. The downtown (Capital Crossroads) and Discovery District SIDs in Columbus are managed by the same staff/leadership, just with two different formal SIDs and boards. 

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So some news in the latest HCB packet. 

 

The building that was badly damaged in the fire at Findley Market, will be renovated, into a event space, and ground floor retail. It's currently being used as gated storage.

 

It also appears that Queen City Radio attempt at a Pendelton Bar by the corner of 3 points Brewery has been denied. Not sure what they will do this with this building now. Unfortunate. I get that Pendelton is a more residential neighborhood, but adding establishments that have people roaming at every time of the day only creates more eyes on the street, and a more safer surroundings. Nothing worse than walking alone in a sleepy neighborhood. 

 

 

https://www.cincinnati-oh.gov/buildings/historic-conservation/historic-conservation-board/december-3-2018-staff-report-and-attachments-4-5-only/

 

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The letters of opposition from Pendleton NIMBYs were so pathetic. "We don't need another BAR in our HISTORICALLY RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOOD!!" Umm... wrong. That space was a commercial space before it turned into a residential unit. The owners now want to bring back the original use. And the NIMBYs are acting like adding a business at the NW corner of that intersection is a slippery slope, and next thing you know, it'll be nothing but bars on that whole block!

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3 hours ago, taestell said:

The letters of opposition from Pendleton NIMBYs were so pathetic. "We don't need another BAR in our HISTORICALLY RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOOD!!" Umm... wrong. That space was a commercial space before it turned into a residential unit. The owners now want to bring back the original use. And the NIMBYs are acting like adding a business at the NW corner of that intersection is a slippery slope, and next thing you know, it'll be nothing but bars on that whole block!

Every time I read those letters, I just imagine Rev. Lovejoy's wife from the Simpson writing them and screaming out "What about the Children!"

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Lots of construction on Vine St between McMicken and Clifton:

 

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^Incidentally, many of the workers working on these buildings are Mexican.  You know we're back to 2007-08 full employment when the Mexicans start showing up in stubbornly un-hispanic Cincinnati. 

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2 minutes ago, taestell said:

I was talking to someone visiting Cincinnati from Atlanta. One of her first observations was, "All of your construction workers here are white?!"

 

Yeah, in Tennessee the Mexicans do all of the framing and roofing and block foundations.  I suspect that part of the reason why so many new houses in Nashville have block foundations is because you can pay a van full of Mexicans to build the thing in a day for $200. 

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6 minutes ago, taestell said:

I was talking to someone visiting Cincinnati from Atlanta. One of her first observations was, "All of your construction workers here are white?!"

 

Yeah, one of my friends from Southern California was recently all throughout Ohio and one of her first remarks about the trip was "I didn't see a single Hispanic person the whole time I was there!" Now that I think about it, that might contribute to higher than normal construction costs...

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The Mexicans that were living in Lower Price Hill 10 years ago vanished.  There was a brightly-painted yellow Mexican grocery store on State for awhile.  They ran out of paint so it was only painted yellow halfway up the second floor. 

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Cleveland's really the only city with a Hispanic presence in Ohio, although Dayton does have a very small "Mexicantown" of sorts on East Third. They all seem to skip Ohio and go straight for Chicago, Detroit or northern Indiana. Elkhart is 25% Hispanic, somehow. 


“To an Ohio resident - wherever he lives - some other part of his state seems unreal.”

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There's a decent sized population in random places all along Lake Erie. Ottawa and Sandusky counties and also east of Cleveland in Lake County - Perry and Painesville.

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Yeah, there's also a pretty sizable pocket in the northwest Cincy burbs- Springdale, Forest Park, parts of Fairfield, and Hamilton. But you pretty much have to look for Hispanics in Ohio. 

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There are sizeable ethnic enclaves of middle eastern, Indians, and Mexicans all over the northern and eastern burbs. 

 

How do we make our urban neighborhoods appealing like Northside and OTR to these ethnic enclaves liking in the burbs is the bigger question. 

 

Just look at the strip malls by the sharonville Kroger... Nothing but Indian restaurants, grocery stores, koeran bakeries and a dedicated Asian grocery store. 

 

This is what OTR and our urban neighborhoods desperately need so badly. But how do we make there families stop and go yeah this is where I will move my family and locate my new Indian grocery store? 

 

Is it because Cincy public school districts are god awful perhaps? I know alot of families who pick there neighborhood solely because of school districts, and until Cincinnati public schools imrove you will have a hard time attracting families who maybe want to live in an urban enciroment like OTR, and be able to walk to there Kroger corporate job on a daily basis but care more about there child's education...which cincy is piss poor in doing so at the moment.

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1 hour ago, edale said:

Yeah, there's also a pretty sizable pocket in the northwest Cincy burbs- Springdale, Forest Park, parts of Fairfield, and Hamilton. But you pretty much have to look for Hispanics in Ohio. 

 

I was on another (unrelated) forum about 10 years ago and somebody was like, "Mexicans? Cincinnati is overrun with them!" and I'm like "You must be in Sharonville" and he was like "How did you know?" Considering Cincinnati and the rest of Ohio has a very low Hispanic population compared to the national average I was able to narrow it down pretty easily.

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5 hours ago, jmecklenborg said:

^Incidentally, many of the workers working on these buildings are Mexican.  You know we're back to 2007-08 full employment when the Mexicans start showing up in stubbornly un-hispanic Cincinnati. 

I'm not sure that's accurate. I live around the corner and my wife is Mexican... and we have seen no more than a few Mexicans at any time working on any of these buildings. That's not to say there are none, but nothing like in other cities where entire construction site are Spanish-speaking. 

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1 hour ago, troeros said:

There are sizeable ethnic enclaves of middle eastern, Indians, and Mexicans all over the northern and eastern burbs. 

 

How do we make our urban neighborhoods appealing like Northside and OTR to these ethnic enclaves liking in the burbs is the bigger question. 

 

Just look at the strip malls by the sharonville Kroger... Nothing but Indian restaurants, grocery stores, koeran bakeries and a dedicated Asian grocery store. 

 

This is what OTR and our urban neighborhoods desperately need so badly. But how do we make there families stop and go yeah this is where I will move my family and locate my new Indian grocery store? 

 

Is it because Cincy public school districts are god awful perhaps? I know alot of families who pick there neighborhood solely because of school districts, and until Cincinnati public schools imrove you will have a hard time attracting families who maybe want to live in an urban enciroment like OTR, and be able to walk to there Kroger corporate job on a daily basis but care more about there child's education...which cincy is piss poor in doing so at the moment.

 

Some of the NW 'burbs are the cheapest (not Evendale or Glendale) so that plays a factor. A lot of times they also want cheap commercial rents for their stores with the building still being from the '50s and later so that it doesn't have knob & tube wiring and all of those other old Cincinnati things from the 1920s left over. It's the same deal in Columbus with Morse Rd., 161 and now the Southeast Side. They get to open up in something that was a Radio Shack or a Merk Pi's only 5 years ago rather than having to rehab and old derby hat store that was last used in the 1940s.

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I wasn't sure where to put this..I was at Mecca on Friday. Was pretty jammin. Live dj, fog machine up the wazoo. It was really hipster-edgy but it worked. Definitely a different type of bar that does something different in otr.

 

Anyway, I snapped some videos to my story on Snapchat, and one of my closer friends replied, ,"wow cool bar! Where is that at?"

 

I replied OTR and gave him the address and he decided to check it out last night. He's a UC student from Korea and is single, so he decided to go check out the bar since he was bored and had time on his hands.

 

Unfortunately I later got a text from him saying that after leaving the bar, on his walk back to his car he was stopped by a homeless man who was walking in his direction and proceeded to point a gun directly at his stomach. 

 

Needless to say he was mugged. He said that as soon as he gave up his wallet the guy sprinted north. Fortunately, the man didn't take his phone (probably got excited about getting the wallet that he didn't even think about his other belongings.)

 

My friend doesn't venture to otr alot, so when I asked him where this mugging occurred he was a bit unsure. All he could tell me is that it took place close to a gated fence with a large grassy lot and that it happened almost immediately after he  left the bar. He noted that the bar was pretty dead and he decided to leave realitively shortly after he got there.

 

He said he parked his car in a large parking garage next to Vine St, so I'm guessing he was walking down Walnut to get back to his car and that the large

 grassy lot was the space behind the Vine St Kroger on Walnut. 

 

Anyway, this whole point of this post was really about how angry I am at the Wade family. I know they are going through a divorce, but for Christ sake it's been over 4 years! What divorce takes over 4 years to finalize?!

 

Meanwhile, Mecca sort of sits in no man's land. That last block of Walnut St next to grammers bar is easily the sketchiest remaining block left in South liberty. The buildings on that block have not been touched in years. And it's almost pitch black with very little illumination from the over head street lamps, making it the perfect opportunity for a crime to occur. Especially since there is very little pedestrian activity on that block, except for the bar crowd walking to and back from Mecca.

 

It makes me angry that the original Wade plan for that site is dead and his wife will probably sit on those buildings until 3cdc or some other developer gives her the money she wants. Which could be another 5 plus years...

 

In the meantime, I wish 3cdc or the city of Cincinnati could do some street scaping for that block of Walnut. At least have some brighter lights that illuminate the area better at night. If you walk down that block at night it can literally be pitch black at times. It creates an extremely univiting atmosphere and leads for crimes like these to more likely occur. 

 

My friend was obviously shaken but he seemed in good spirits. He immediately cancelled his cards and filed a police report. Hopefully there are active cameras on that block and could possibly identify the scumbag who did this. 

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The Woodward marquee is coming along nicely... and I love the use of copper. Will be beautiful as it ages and develops the copper patina. 

 

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8 hours ago, troeros said:

Anyway, this whole point of this post was really about how angry I am at the Wade family. I know they are going through a divorce, but for Christ sake it's been over 4 years! What divorce takes over 4 years to finalize?!

 

I'd be more angry at the piece of crap who was willing to kill someone for a couple dollars. These are the sorts of potentially violent, almost worthless crimes that should be ranked among the most heinous, IMO. Anyone who would risk another person's life for such a tiny reward isn't fit for society.

 

Anyways, I hope your friend called the cops - they have police cameras all up and down Walnut. If the mugger ran north from the spot you mentioned, they almost certainly have him on camera. I used to live on that block years ago, when Biff's was still around. It always blew my mind how many people would commit crimes right in front of the cameras - they are pretty conspicuous.

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45 minutes ago, Ram23 said:

 

I'd be more angry at the piece of crap who was willing to kill someone for a couple dollars. These are the sorts of potentially violent, almost worthless crimes that should be ranked among the most heinous, IMO. Anyone who would risk another person's life for such a tiny reward isn't fit for society.

 

Anyways, I hope your friend called the cops - they have police cameras all up and down Walnut. If the mugger ran north from the spot you mentioned, they almost certainly have him on camera. I used to live on that block years ago, when Biff's was still around. It always blew my mind how many people would commit crimes right in front of the cameras - they are pretty conspicuous.

 

Sorry I meant that in context of it the Wade plan didn't die, then most likely that stretch of Walnut would have been redeveloped already and would have deterred this mugging.

 

 

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